[2014-09-07 20:16:53] *** Elgranjerry added Redslash *** [2014-09-07 20:17:11] ElGranJerry: Thought this would be a good idea for easier communication between us [2014-09-07 20:19:03] ElGranJerry: So here so far Redslash, SnesWarrior and DrunkenDraconian. If anyone has any other runner on Skype feel free to add em [2014-09-07 20:20:41] SnesWarrior: Cool deal, I can finally stop blowing up peoples IM's individually =P [2014-09-07 20:21:30] DrunkenDraconian: agreed [2014-09-07 20:22:49] DrunkenDraconian: I'm just bumbling around with ram watch trying to gain my bearings mostly. [2014-09-07 20:23:32] DrunkenDraconian: Your RNG chart is very helpfull btw [2014-09-07 20:32:23] Redslash: Woo, hey guys! I had to drive home X) [2014-09-07 20:33:34] Redslash: And thank you, I made it mostly for routing purposes, I'm glad folks are still finding use for it : ) [2014-09-07 20:36:00] DrunkenDraconian: I'm just interested in why the manipulation works more than how to perform it :P [2014-09-07 20:37:27] DrunkenDraconian: I'm looking into the fools task of a manipulated no S&Q run ending in elixir glitch :P [2014-09-07 20:37:47] DrunkenDraconian: these msn emotes suuuuck, just sayin' [2014-09-07 20:38:02] ElGranJerry: DD is on that crazy task [2014-09-07 20:38:06] ElGranJerry: yeah dude, big time [2014-09-07 20:38:13] ElGranJerry: is there a twitch emotes for skype plugin? [2014-09-07 20:38:17] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-07 20:42:19] Redslash: Oh yeah, you can turn emotes off on your end... but it still doesn't help that people will see a :3 instead of a cat face... : 3 [2014-09-07 20:47:24] Redslash: I've looked at a no S&Q for elixir glitch as well, the problem is the RNG for 2 needles on Marle is a rare case... [2014-09-07 20:50:48] DrunkenDraconian: on the last shell form? [2014-09-07 20:51:02] Redslash: Yep [2014-09-07 20:51:36] DrunkenDraconian: I forgot to add that it's a 100% run [2014-09-07 20:51:51] Redslash: Well, wait... now that I think about it, the cases where Ayla is hit twice, what if I swapped Ayla and Marle, lol... [2014-09-07 20:51:54] Redslash: Ah, that's cool [2014-09-07 20:52:21] DrunkenDraconian: as an exercise i have up to the ozzes done [2014-09-07 20:52:42] DrunkenDraconian: can get to that battle consistently with the same current value [2014-09-07 20:53:21] DrunkenDraconian: i know it's rng at that point and to get past is just brute force contingency planning [2014-09-07 20:53:46] DrunkenDraconian: and the quys move so much too [2014-09-07 20:55:40] SnesWarrior: Well, if worse comes to worse, you could try and find a battle that has very few rng outcomes, and use it to possibly force yourself back into a predictable pattern? Just an idea, but it may be doable without losing too much time [2014-09-07 20:58:09] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I'd like to have it set up again at least before flea [2014-09-07 21:00:10] DrunkenDraconian: It seems wierd to "find it again" because once you know where you are in the string in the battle, the action counter would still advance it in a difficult to predict way. [2014-09-07 21:03:29] Redslash: Oh, which battle specifically? [2014-09-07 21:03:59] Redslash: The best you can do probably is figure on a battle going short or long, and have like two different targets you can try to shoot for... [2014-09-07 21:04:50] SnesWarrior: Yeah, If you could somehow find a battle with 3 outcomes, that'd probably be pushing it, but you'd have a 33% chance to fall onto what you wanted [2014-09-07 21:05:34] SnesWarrior: What the lowest outcome battle that you've run into so far Red? Or have you bothered to really play with that yet? [2014-09-07 21:06:34] Redslash: We're talking about a specific chaotic enemy battle though? [2014-09-07 21:06:50] DrunkenDraconian: at the factory in the future, after running from the 3 slimes the 5 "random" slimes [2014-09-07 21:07:02] Redslash: Ohh of course [2014-09-07 21:07:26] DrunkenDraconian: I'm aware they are RNG but i haven't looked to far into them because of hearing that [2014-09-07 21:08:32] Redslash: I mean, we could totally map out some strats for that fight, based on the different arrangements, if you have a specific target you want to shoot for... [2014-09-07 21:09:08] Redslash: But you know, it'd just affect R-Series~ [2014-09-07 21:09:26] Redslash: Well, it might be worth it, I suppose... [2014-09-07 21:09:49] SnesWarrior: Wait... does RNG reset at End of Time or something? [2014-09-07 21:09:59] Redslash: It resets... at Heckran skip X) [2014-09-07 21:10:25] SnesWarrior: Ohh, his is a no S&Q so, he wouldn't be skipping anything [2014-09-07 21:10:40] Redslash: Whoa. [2014-09-07 21:10:47] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2014-09-07 21:10:50] Redslash: I totally misinterpreted that, my bad [2014-09-07 21:11:00] DrunkenDraconian: it's foolish, but i'm bored and like the game :P [2014-09-07 21:11:00] SnesWarrior: thats why we were discussing ways to "get back on rng" after the slimes [2014-09-07 21:11:44] DrunkenDraconian: it seems to me the best way is mapping out each posible battle to end on what i want, just y'know a few weeks work maybe [2014-09-07 21:13:08] Redslash: If you want to get back on track, get in a battle and run away =) [2014-09-07 21:13:37] DrunkenDraconian: is that predictable? [2014-09-07 21:14:05] Redslash: If you know the ballpark you're in, yeah, there's only 18 possible outcomes [2014-09-07 21:14:25] DrunkenDraconian: I'm a big noob, been staring at 7EB3E6, 7E29AD, 7E0026, for a week now [2014-09-07 21:14:46] DrunkenDraconian: have a basic working understanding [2014-09-07 21:15:32] Redslash: Yeah, it is very intimidating at first. [2014-09-07 21:15:50] Redslash: I would've never caught on to the predictable outcomes until Ottavino mentioned something, and it went right over my head [2014-09-07 21:15:57] Redslash: Had to think about it for a long while [2014-09-07 21:16:05] SnesWarrior: Ah so basically, after oozes, or actually, after R-series, get into a fight and runaway to get the string you want, that actually sounds failrly simple. The hard part is gonna be what comes after [2014-09-07 21:16:58] DrunkenDraconian: it's no wonder the game feels so organic thought [2014-09-07 21:18:08] Redslash: Oh yeah I should say, each battle has 18 outcomes, but they are unique to the battle, my bad. But they all share the same starting windows [2014-09-07 21:18:30] Redslash: And those are the ones listed on my Twitch [2014-09-07 21:19:46] SnesWarrior: aaaand I just softlocked in Prehistoric era on the Fat Dino you use lightning on to shock [2014-09-07 21:19:50] SnesWarrior: what the hell [2014-09-07 21:19:54] Redslash: VC? [2014-09-07 21:20:00] SnesWarrior: GG, virtual console, GG [2014-09-07 21:20:15] Redslash: Oh I thought you were DD, oops [2014-09-07 21:20:28] SnesWarrior: I'm pretty sure you can just softlock everywhere in VC, its dumb [2014-09-07 21:20:56] DrunkenDraconian: there are a few in heckran cave that I can run from, and because Heckran is super safe i could use him to see if i'm on track then any battles afterwards to hone in.... [2014-09-07 21:21:00] SnesWarrior: oh woah, hardlock, i cant even soft reset [2014-09-07 21:21:27] DrunkenDraconian: (I unequip at Melchior before Heckran) [2014-09-07 21:21:59] DrunkenDraconian: damn VC [2014-09-07 21:22:24] Redslash: Do you use VC too? [2014-09-07 21:22:39] DrunkenDraconian: SNES or EMU [2014-09-07 21:23:01] DrunkenDraconian: I keep seeing locks on VC and it scares me [2014-09-07 21:23:41] SnesWarrior: It's freakin stupid. For whatever reason it liked to happen to me in prehistory [2014-09-07 21:23:57] SnesWarrior: Softlocked at talking to Ayla after the party too [2014-09-07 21:25:06] SnesWarrior: luckily i've never seen it happen from Magus Castle onwards [2014-09-07 21:25:10] SnesWarrior: *knock on wood* [2014-09-07 21:26:48] Redslash: Well my hope is maybe they all happen for the same reason... maybe pressing A on a specific wrong frame, which could be preventable [2014-09-07 21:26:53] Redslash: That's my hope, anyway [2014-09-07 21:28:26] DrunkenDraconian: so wait, is that why it jumps forward a bunch sometimes when I run, noticed it in jail after the trial [2014-09-07 21:28:39] ElGranJerry: Random quick subject change. Do we Shelter before Black Tyrano? [2014-09-07 21:28:53] SnesWarrior: Yes ^^ [2014-09-07 21:29:00] ElGranJerry: ok cool [2014-09-07 21:29:10] SnesWarrior: Watcha mean by "jumps forward" ? [2014-09-07 21:31:01] DrunkenDraconian: ummm, 7E0026 increments as a battle unfolds, sometimes when I run from a battle it increments further than expected for what little has passed [2014-09-07 21:31:23] DrunkenDraconian: and that number becomes the starting value of 7EB3E6 [2014-09-07 21:31:29] DrunkenDraconian: for the next fight [2014-09-07 21:31:55] DrunkenDraconian: it's jumping to a predictable number? [2014-09-07 21:32:28] Redslash: If you're in menu the whole time, it shouldn't increment... [2014-09-07 21:33:53] Redslash: Oh yeah, right. [2014-09-07 21:34:09] Redslash: When battle initializes, it jumps to a predictable number right then. [2014-09-07 21:34:15] DrunkenDraconian: after running, i understand movement increments it oo [2014-09-07 21:34:38] DrunkenDraconian: ooooohhhhhh [2014-09-07 21:36:44] Redslash: Yeah yeah, watching 7eb3e6, that's what you'll see happen. [2014-09-07 21:37:25] Redslash: Once you get into the menu, nothing can change [2014-09-07 21:37:44] DrunkenDraconian: but enemies look at 0026 to see how to act right? [2014-09-07 21:46:31] Redslash: Hm, I'm actually not really certain. That does seem right though. [2014-09-07 21:47:17] Redslash: Like, they seem to just be on a timer a lot of the time, I'm not sure exactly how 0026 comes into play but I'm sure it does... [2014-09-07 21:48:17] DrunkenDraconian: yeah the actions are planned out based on ATB, but targets and movemement i think revolve around the 0026 [2014-09-07 21:48:21] DrunkenDraconian: allegedly [2014-09-07 21:48:28] DrunkenDraconian: maybe [2014-09-07 21:49:50] DrunkenDraconian: i wonder if it's like targets 1st aprt member it last digit is 0-3 2nd if 4-6 3rd if 7-9 or someting like that [2014-09-07 21:49:59] DrunkenDraconian: party* [2014-09-07 21:50:58] DrunkenDraconian: or whatever the equal is in hex or something [2014-09-07 21:52:22] Redslash: Yeah I guess I did mean ATB, heh [2014-09-07 21:53:02] Redslash: I like the idea of finding such patterns, but the issue I find is there are just so many kinds of enemy patterns... [2014-09-07 21:55:27] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, joker doom math eat your heart out [2014-09-07 21:55:52] DrunkenDraconian: I'm tired, thanks for the brain pick guys, gotta sleep [2014-09-07 21:56:52] SnesWarrior: G'night man, rest well [2014-09-07 21:57:27] Redslash: Hey have a good one, catch ya later dude [2014-09-07 21:59:30] ElGranJerry: cya [2014-09-07 21:59:41] ElGranJerry: I was trying to keep along but it was too much for me rofl [2014-09-07 22:02:15] DrunkenDraconian: get 9x -rr and ram watch the 3 values while practicing. It'll become easyer to know when things are going right or not seeing what values battles are suppoed to end on and such [2014-09-07 22:03:42] Redslash: Definitely recommended : ) [2014-09-07 22:05:17] Redslash: Like, even with the pain of emulator controls, and adjust to watching values... I think it's worth it [2014-09-07 22:05:43] ElGranJerry: will do [2014-09-07 22:06:24] DrunkenDraconian: next step, find boss hp value ;) for science! Night guys [2014-09-07 22:06:40] Redslash: I can give that to you :0 [2014-09-07 22:07:13] DrunkenDraconian: I'll take any/all labled values you know of [2014-09-07 22:07:23] Redslash: Actually, check it out. You can find it in the Chrono Trigger Database http://geigercount.net/crypt/index.html [2014-09-07 22:07:33] Redslash: Ton of values documented there [2014-09-07 22:07:57] DrunkenDraconian: google sucks for finding that kind of info, thanks [2014-09-07 22:08:33] Redslash: Np dude. This site was down for a good while actually, I thought it was gone for good [2014-09-07 22:09:35] SnesWarrior: thats the only reason I like the ps1 version of CT, is that extra mode where you can go into every screen and look at the chests and enemy data [2014-09-07 22:10:52] Redslash: Hehe, I liked that too. I wonder why no one put it on the web though >_> [2014-09-07 22:11:27] DrunkenDraconian: never played that mode, raged at menus [2014-09-07 22:11:44] Redslash: It was so bad... [2014-09-07 22:11:46] DrunkenDraconian: how to open 7z file? [2014-09-07 22:12:04] Redslash: 7zip! [2014-09-07 22:13:47] Redslash: I forgot you can share docs through Skype.... [2014-09-07 22:13:56] SnesWarrior: I liked it because I could finally get all my stats maxed on a file getting tabs. Someone should really upload those images to a site though, I remember it had like every screen [2014-09-07 22:14:07] SnesWarrior: You cant...? [2014-09-07 22:15:20] Redslash: ? We can [2014-09-07 22:15:23] ElGranJerry: we can [2014-09-07 22:15:41] ElGranJerry: How long is the load for the 1st Elixir Glitch? Last thing and I am ready to upload the route :) [2014-09-07 22:15:48] ElGranJerry: In seconds to simplify it [2014-09-07 22:17:08] Redslash: 61 to 72, which is... [2014-09-07 22:17:34] Redslash: 1.5 to 2.25 seconds [2014-09-07 22:18:08] ElGranJerry: Thanks :) I had 1.75 to 2.25 [2014-09-07 22:18:11] ElGranJerry: wrong info haha [2014-09-07 22:18:46] Redslash: Wait a sec... [2014-09-07 22:21:02] Redslash: Well, it's 1 5/12 to 2 1/6 [2014-09-07 22:21:08] DrunkenDraconian: I'm never getting to sleep, this info...... [2014-09-07 22:21:10] Redslash: I don't know how you'd like to round it X) [2014-09-07 22:21:28 | Edited 22:21:53] Redslash: Frame-wise, 85-130 (after subtracting 6) [2014-09-07 22:23:30] ElGranJerry: dang haha [2014-09-07 22:23:38] ElGranJerry: I will leave it as 1.5 to 2 seconds then [2014-09-07 22:23:50] ElGranJerry: cause 2.25 falls out of range [2014-09-07 22:24:18] Redslash: Yeah I had that wrong, converting to seconds is hard, heh~ [2014-09-07 22:29:49] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-07 22:30:07] ElGranJerry: Well I am done with adding the new stuff to the route and giving it some format. It's on the Leaderboards [2014-09-07 22:30:17] ElGranJerry: or the chrono page [2014-09-07 22:31:05] ElGranJerry: I will revise it tomorrow, but most of it should be fine :) Only thing I could've messed up was after BT [2014-09-07 22:34:48] Redslash: Modified Obda's route, nice : ) [2014-09-07 22:35:00] Redslash: Hmm, what's the [4X] ? [2014-09-07 22:35:57] ElGranJerry: forgot to take it out. Ottavino had it on his 100% route he sent me [2014-09-07 22:36:18] ElGranJerry: I was using the any%, the 1st half of his 100% my notes and SW notes to add stuff [2014-09-07 22:36:22] ElGranJerry: prolly slipped by [2014-09-07 22:36:24] ElGranJerry: idk what it is lol [2014-09-07 22:38:20] Redslash: Yeah, huh. Because it doesn't seem to be a scroll, would have to be a slow one [2014-09-07 22:38:37] ElGranJerry: true [2014-09-07 22:39:02] Redslash: Ah well. Hey I like the bold "highlighting" too, I don't think that was in Obda's originally [2014-09-07 22:39:21] ElGranJerry: it wasn't haha, i added that [2014-09-07 22:39:30] ElGranJerry: did that since I did my 100% route when I started [2014-09-07 22:39:43] ElGranJerry: nice addition [2014-09-07 22:41:22] ElGranJerry: I will revise it tomorrow :) If there are any mistakes just tell me, or I can grant permissionso you can change em [2014-09-07 22:41:31] ElGranJerry: gotta sleep at least 4 hours before school tomorrow haha [2014-09-07 22:41:33] ElGranJerry: gnight [2014-09-07 22:42:37] Redslash: Ah man great work, have a good one : ) [2014-09-08 9:08:15] ElGranJerry: just polished it and it should be fine now [2014-09-08 15:50:46] *** ElgranJerry added ottavino *** [2014-09-08 15:50:58] ElGranJerry: Welcome :) [2014-09-08 15:52:08] Ottavino: thx! [2014-09-08 16:03:14] Redslash: Hey, good to have you here. How have things been? : ) [2014-09-08 16:03:41] Redslash: Oh, I'm redslash by the way X) [2014-09-08 16:04:04] Ottavino: still can't stream cause my upload rate is crap [2014-09-08 16:04:36] Ottavino: i did 2 mistakes in my 100% route so i need to do some rerouting [2014-09-08 16:05:28] Ottavino: few days ago, watching essentia 100% run, i saw that we can skip the two battles before twin golems in ocean palace [2014-09-08 16:05:43] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2014-09-08 16:05:53] DrunkenDraconian: they are slick skips [2014-09-08 16:05:58] Redslash: Huh, interesting... [2014-09-08 16:06:45] Redslash: It's been a while since I've seen it, I know I have it saved to my computer though~ [2014-09-08 16:07:05] DrunkenDraconian: i usually get in but getting out is teh hard part [2014-09-08 16:07:08] Ottavino: but if i skip them, i'm at E4 instead of 47 for the twin golems and E4 gives a bad fight [2014-09-08 16:08:02] Ottavino: yeah when you are getting out, you need to walk when you press down to skip [2014-09-08 16:09:12] Ottavino: other mistake is i keep bs2 on joke golem, and switching to bs1 for this battle and reswitching to bs2 after is faster by ~10 sec [2014-09-08 16:13:31] Redslash: Oh right, I know the skip you're talking about [2014-09-08 16:13:49] Redslash: Were you just running from them before? [2014-09-08 16:13:57] Ottavino: yeah [2014-09-08 16:14:24] ElGranJerry: you mean the one on the sides before the golem twins? [2014-09-08 16:14:33] DrunkenDraconian: yup [2014-09-08 16:14:34] Ottavino: yes [2014-09-08 16:18:15] Ottavino: btw, do you have a setup for the reverse truce canyon skip? [2014-09-08 16:19:31] DrunkenDraconian: not what I did :P [2014-09-08 16:21:35] Redslash: I haven't done too much with it, but I'm looking at it right now.. [2014-09-08 16:22:29] Redslash: Something weird just happened though, neither the Roly encounter nor the bridge encounter loaded...? [2014-09-08 16:23:08] Redslash: Oh, I know why. Never mind [2014-09-08 16:28:51] Redslash: You'll see 2 flower patches on the ground, you can run straight up, and when you're at the level of the bridge you'll get pushed right a little bit [2014-09-08 16:29:19] Redslash: Your y-position can be in a 3-pixel window, it looks like [2014-09-08 16:29:31] Ottavino: yeah, 3 pixels [2014-09-08 16:31:14] Redslash: Ok so you know where it's at [2014-09-08 16:31:40] Ottavino: i try to align chrono hair with the top border, but i am often 1 pixel too high [2014-09-08 16:33:38] Redslash: I kinda just react to feeling myself "kick the edge", usually it's not too early [2014-09-08 16:33:49] Ottavino: aligning chrono foot with the little cavity seems easier [2014-09-08 16:34:55] Ottavino: yeah ten in a row with the cavity trick [2014-09-08 16:35:04] Redslash: Oh, I just described it if you're taking a running start, heh [2014-09-08 16:35:08] Ottavino: for 3 seconds, damn :) [2014-09-08 16:36:00] Redslash: Yeah, not bad eh? It's totally SnesWarrior who found it, I just realized you could skip the Imp too [2014-09-08 16:36:46] Ottavino: i need to check the windowto get the 60 dmg in jail [2014-09-08 16:37:54] Redslash: I call it a "half-scroll", it's 1d to 2e [2014-09-08 16:39:00 | Edited 16:39:51] Redslash: Er, 1d to *32* rather [2014-09-08 16:39:53] Ottavino: yep [2014-09-08 16:42:19] Ottavino: btw, a few days ago i did a back in time trick [2014-09-08 16:42:39] Ottavino: you can get funny things, like magus and ayla vs magus [2014-09-08 16:44:01] Redslash: So, what do you do to make that happen? I don't think I've heard of it.. [2014-09-08 16:44:07] ElGranJerry: ooh, that sounds nice haha [2014-09-08 16:44:34] Ottavino: you need to activate save anywhere glitch in the factory [2014-09-08 16:45:32] Ottavino: then when you trigger the cutscene where the doors closed (after entering XABY password), you save just before you lose control of your characters [2014-09-08 16:45:49] Redslash: Hmmm, whoa [2014-09-08 16:45:59] Ottavino: you load, then save *15 times [2014-09-08 16:46:17] Ottavino: because each time you load, you have .5 sec before losing control [2014-09-08 16:46:30] Redslash: Ha ha, oh dang... [2014-09-08 16:47:12] Ottavino: when you reach the bottom of the screen, play the game normally [2014-09-08 16:47:30] Ottavino: if you return after, you can trigger again this cutscene [2014-09-08 16:47:52] Ottavino: so recruit magus, go to the factory and trigger this cutscene [2014-09-08 16:48:12] Ottavino: you need to be with chrono, robo and Lucca/marle or the game crashes [2014-09-08 16:48:20] Redslash: Yeah... makes sense... very cool [2014-09-08 16:48:31] Ottavino: but there is one problem [2014-09-08 16:49:07] Ottavino: when you spawn at the end of time, gaspar talks about the sidequests, and not his regular speech [2014-09-08 16:49:35] Ottavino: and the 3 central pillars (medina, 2300 and -65M) are locked [2014-09-08 16:50:31] Ottavino: so go to leene square, take the vortex point near lucca house and beat heckran to unlock these pillars and recover epoch [2014-09-08 16:51:35] Ottavino: you can't progress normally when you need to talk to melchior, because he talks about black omen, but with epoch you can access different chapters [2014-09-08 16:52:15] Ottavino: per exemple, you take epoch, go to magus castle and enter it, it triggers automaticly this chapter [2014-09-08 16:53:12] Redslash: Hehe, that is awesome... [2014-09-08 16:53:23] DrunkenDraconian: blowing my mind here [2014-09-08 16:53:27] Ottavino: it can be used for a low level challenge, to reduce the average level party, to remove ayla from the party [2014-09-08 16:55:11] ElGranJerry: oh boy. That sounds really interesting [2014-09-08 16:55:36] Redslash: Dang, yeah it would *have* to be used in Low Level then, ha ha... [2014-09-08 16:55:44] Redslash: Just the fact that you can skip the boss, at least [2014-09-08 16:56:18] Redslash: Taking Ayla out the party makes things interesting... [2014-09-08 16:56:24] Ottavino: i will upload a save state if you want to test :) [2014-09-08 16:56:37] ElGranJerry: that'd be cool :) [2014-09-08 16:56:51] ElGranJerry: I wonder if you can do that in other spots such as ayla taking you to the party... [2014-09-08 16:57:08] ElGranJerry: or somewhere else [2014-09-08 16:57:30] Ottavino: arf, i erased my save state by trying the reverse canyon skip :( [2014-09-08 16:57:41] Redslash: Oh shoot X) [2014-09-08 16:57:56] Redslash: Is it very difficult to do? I think I'll try to play around with it~ [2014-09-08 16:58:16] Ottavino: it not difficult, just long [2014-09-08 16:59:09] Redslash: Did I happen to mention, that just loading a game is 40 frames faster on J...? :0 [2014-09-08 17:03:15 | Edited 17:04:13] Redslash: I was actually trying start re-routing Low Level recently, kinda glad I didn't get too serious with it yet =) [2014-09-08 17:04:26] DrunkenDraconian: so how is this low level? doesn't magus join at like 40 something? [2014-09-08 17:04:55] DrunkenDraconian: i suppose i should ask what low level is? [2014-09-08 17:05:17] Redslash: Mm, I don't I'd get Magus... [2014-09-08 17:05:50] Ottavino: it's just two steps to add: 1) glitch the factory cutscene the first time, 2) at the end of the game, go to factory, replay this cutscene, recover epoch, beat nizbel [2014-09-08 17:06:11] Redslash: You can define Low Level as clearing the game with your characters at their lowest possible (provable) levels [2014-09-08 17:06:56] Redslash: (Right now I have proved Crono 1, Marle 4, Lucca 14...) [2014-09-08 17:07:27] Ottavino: you finish the game with chrono lvl 1, marle lvl 4 and robo lvl 16 (15 if you skips bosses like in any%) [2014-09-08 17:08:16] Ottavino: but with low level with the deequip trick is easier ;) [2014-09-08 17:08:27] Ottavino: but low level* [2014-09-08 17:08:39] Redslash: Oh absolutely, heh heh [2014-09-08 17:09:00] ElGranJerry: sounds really interesting [2014-09-08 17:09:06] Redslash: But, I'd really really like to find an elixir glitch for Ocean Palace Lavos (within the window to elixir glitch Inner Lavos)... don't know that it'd be possible, however [2014-09-08 17:10:02] Ottavino: i think there are battle value windows where you can get it, but you can't finish the game [2014-09-08 17:10:26] Ottavino: because there is no save point in lavos shell [2014-09-08 17:10:44] Redslash: Yeah [2014-09-08 17:11:17] Redslash: The thing is, all the routing that really "matters" for Low Level is up through charging the pendant, because that's when you get the Wallet [2014-09-08 17:11:31] Ottavino: yes [2014-09-08 17:12:56] Ottavino: if you are interested in low level challenge (without boss skips): http://www.gamefaqs.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/40169 [2014-09-08 17:12:57] Redslash: But, you may as well take the game through the Black Omen, that'd be interesting too [2014-09-08 17:14:58] Redslash: Oh yeah that's a good read... I wish he could've shown some of his calculations though, proving the levels and such : ) [2014-09-08 17:16:58] Redslash: Probably one of the toughest things is skipping the fight outside just before Nizbel II [2014-09-08 17:17:21] Redslash: I got the idea to get S/A from EoT, it's a bit tricky, but worth it~ [2014-09-08 17:17:38] Ottavino: if you align with the left pillar, you go straight up, you skip it :) [2014-09-08 17:18:32] Redslash: Hm, not every time though, it should be a moving trigger... Did you test it? [2014-09-08 17:19:32 | Edited 17:19:47] Redslash: When we still did the big Grind for Black Tyrano, I skipped it a few times on accident, just going through the middle of the door [2014-09-08 17:21:59] Ottavino: oh you're right, it's timing dependant [2014-09-08 17:23:08] Redslash: Yeah, so it's a bummer to try to set up without S/A... well, it can't be done [2014-09-08 17:23:39] Redslash: So either keep running in from the Fortress front door until you get lucky.. or get S/A X) [2014-09-08 17:24:55] Redslash: But skipping it again after skipping Nizbel II is easy [2014-09-08 17:28:33] Redslash: My bad, I got S/A from Reptite Lair. I was thinking of something else [2014-09-08 17:34:39] Ottavino: i just made a boring .smv file (snes9x 1.51rr) for how to glitch the cutscene in the factory: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwd012eWx5dU9MMlU/edit?usp=sharing [2014-09-08 17:37:17] Ottavino: but don't you get one battle in reptite lair? [2014-09-08 17:41:48] Redslash: Right! I thought it was all cleared out, but it's not... so I did use EoT : P [2014-09-08 17:42:14 | Edited 17:42:33] Redslash: Thank you for the video. I see that you still need to fight R-Series, for some reason I had the notion that you'd skip them, heh heh [2014-09-08 17:42:49] Ottavino: the easier is to save in front of tyranno lair just after saving kino [2014-09-08 17:43:03] Ottavino: yeah, it's just glitch this cutscene for later [2014-09-08 17:44:33] Redslash: Right on, very cool find, it'll be fun to play with [2014-09-08 17:47:07] Redslash: You may be right... and approaching it from the left door rather than the right door (where the switch is), could possibly make a consistent setup, I'll look at that [2014-09-08 17:48:36] Ottavino: yes left seems to be easier, it must be a 20 working on 28 frames pattern, or something like that [2014-09-08 17:53:15] DrunkenDraconian: hey, would either of you have a ram watch file you could share? I'm having a hard time pinpointing these adresses.. [2014-09-08 17:53:39] Ottavino: also if you want to save anywhere for some testing without activating S/A, you can modify 7F01CF to 80 (in hexa) [2014-09-08 17:55:23] DrunkenDraconian: I also thought the r-series would be skipped lol [2014-09-08 17:58:15] Ottavino: i'm using 7E29AD (battle value), 7EB3E6 (critical value), 7E0026 (enemy value), 7E0D00 (loading value) and 7E96BC, 7E06DB, 7E0027 for elixir glitch values [2014-09-08 17:59:00] Redslash: I just watch 0026 and 29ad =) [2014-09-08 17:59:18] DrunkenDraconian: ok so i'm mostly there [2014-09-08 17:59:21] ElGranJerry: I gotta go study for some exams. Nice conversation here, didn't want to get involved since I don't know much about it rofl [2014-09-08 17:59:25] ElGranJerry: have a good night [2014-09-08 17:59:37] Ottavino: good night jerry [2014-09-08 17:59:38] DrunkenDraconian: I'm confused about these windows you talk about, it seems so unforgiving [2014-09-08 17:59:50] ElGranJerry: <3 [2014-09-08 18:00:11] Redslash: See ya dude, have a good one [2014-09-08 18:00:43] Ottavino: also 7E24xxyy and 7E25xxzz, if you forgot an item, where xx is the item position, yy the item id and zz the item quantity [2014-09-08 18:01:08] DrunkenDraconian: oh nice [2014-09-08 18:02:50] Ottavino: for items id: http://www.gamefaqs.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/24854 [2014-09-08 18:09:11] Redslash: Oooh cool [2014-09-08 18:12:28] Redslash: So about the windows, it's understandable that it could be confusing.. I'm not sure where to start tho...~ [2014-09-08 18:13:35 | Edited 18:17:09] Redslash: It's worth noting that when you save/reload, you can't control crits for the first battle you get into, since it is a window... but the *result* of that battle, and therefore the crits for the following battle(s), will be precise.. [2014-09-08 18:19:45] DrunkenDraconian: so there is a window of b3e6 that leads to a predictable starting 0026, and running or a "safe battle" will lead to a predictable 0026 after the first battle? [2014-09-08 18:21:56] Ottavino: window of 29ad (or b3e6, because when a battle start, b3e6 becomes 29ad) leads to a predictable 0026 [2014-09-08 18:22:49] DrunkenDraconian: ok, yes [2014-09-08 18:27:14] Redslash: Well, 0026 gets "stored" to 29ad at the end of battle. At the start of a battle 29ad gets copied back to 0026, and also to b3e6 (which I just think of as a "hit tally") [2014-09-08 18:29:02 | Edited 18:29:28] Redslash: Ok yeah that's what you meant, heh. I try to avoid the word "is" or "becomes" when I talk about memory addresses, and try to specify what's getting copied to where~ =P [2014-09-08 18:31:05] Redslash: Because, that's what tripped me up when I first tried to follow Inichi's notes...~ [2014-09-10 8:56:13] ElGranJerry: Hey guys, in Lavos Shell final form do I need to delay Marle's first Haste a little bit? Seems if I get it right off when she gets confused she attacks and misses before Crono can heal her [2014-09-10 12:34:39] Redslash: Yep, it does need to be delayed, good thing to note [2014-09-10 12:41:51] ElGranJerry: ok cool, let me write it down [2014-09-10 12:42:05] ElGranJerry: It's a very slight delay or Marle gets killed before she hastes ayla [2014-09-10 12:48:25] ElGranJerry: I might do my 1st run later today, idk. [2014-09-10 12:53:14] Redslash: Ooh, nice [2014-09-10 13:01:27] Redslash: I don't know if you'd want to add this, but for safety you can sell the megalixir in Marle's room for another helm... it's 25 seconds tho [2014-09-10 13:08:59] Redslash: Oh another thing I wanted to point out, I get the Bluemail after the Greendream, just so I don't risk selling it~ [2014-09-10 13:09:59] ElGranJerry: I see, equip that on Marle for the last Shell phase [2014-09-10 13:10:52] ElGranJerry: that sounds like a good idea [2014-09-10 13:46:46] Ottavino: if you do the organize in sunken desert, elixir, aeon suit and blue mail come in the last 3 slots in equipment [2014-09-10 13:47:46] Ottavino: when you sell all equipment, press L until you reach the bottom, up 3 times (or 2 if you didn't get the blue mail yet) and sell the rest [2014-09-10 13:49:39] Ottavino: and yeah, don't forget to delay 1st haste by 0.5 sec :) [2014-09-10 13:56:45] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-10 13:57:11] Redslash: Oh that's really cool, I see it now. So may as well get Bluemail sooner, to ensure it's not forgotten [2014-09-10 14:03:22] Redslash: Hehe, are you gonna go for reverse bird-skip, Jerry? The load for it is 1/2 second [2014-09-10 14:03:45] ElGranJerry: Honestly I didn't understand the explanation for it :/ [2014-09-10 14:03:50] ElGranJerry: so I haven't tried it [2014-09-10 14:04:56] Redslash: Oh ok, we can look at it sometime. I just saw it was in the notes [2014-09-10 14:05:19] ElGranJerry: I mean, I know about the save anywhere [2014-09-10 14:05:22] ElGranJerry: but not what comes next [2014-09-10 14:05:44] Ottavino: do you want a smv file? [2014-09-10 14:06:25] ElGranJerry: That would be nice if it isn't too much trouble [2014-09-10 14:06:40] Ottavino: no, it's easy to make [2014-09-10 14:09:37] Redslash: I only saw that it didn't have a load time listed, is all [2014-09-10 14:09:46] ElGranJerry: oh I see [2014-09-10 14:09:48] ElGranJerry: let me add it [2014-09-10 14:10:17] Ottavino: window is 1D to 32 [2014-09-10 14:10:33] ElGranJerry: It's actually open for editing if you see anything you would like to change [2014-09-10 14:10:46] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwMEdydkMwcFFLLUk/edit?usp=sharing [2014-09-10 14:11:36] Redslash: Whoa, alright [2014-09-10 14:12:11] ElGranJerry: Thanks ottavino [2014-09-10 14:12:17] ElGranJerry: trying it out right now [2014-09-10 14:15:08] Redslash: Has SnesWarrior told you about his menu scrolling? Alternating up&down, so a cycle is 2 moves instead of 4... I kinda like it [2014-09-10 14:15:19] Redslash: And you don't need 3 saves [2014-09-10 14:16:12] ElGranJerry: yeah he has told me about it [2014-09-10 14:18:26] ElGranJerry: seems nice [2014-09-10 14:18:35] ElGranJerry: but I will stick to my setup atm [2014-09-10 14:21:34 | Edited 14:21:56] Redslash: Yeah I gotcha. Mostly I just find it easier to say, in place of giving a frame or second-based range : ) [2014-09-10 14:22:16] ElGranJerry: yeah ofc, but the up+down speed can vary between runners [2014-09-10 14:22:33] ElGranJerry: or players [2014-09-10 14:23:33] Redslash: Mm, as long as you're pressing it so that no more or less than 10 presses are "lost" in the black transition, it should be a consistent enough speed [2014-09-10 14:25:12] Ottavino: when i was researching in august, i saved and loaded such a lot that i didn't need to scroll [2014-09-10 14:27:12] Redslash: That's awesome, ha ha [2014-09-10 14:27:22] ElGranJerry: I see.. [2014-09-10 14:27:25] ElGranJerry: yeah thats awesome lol [2014-09-10 14:27:28] Redslash: Yeah no doubt the timing can become ingrained [2014-09-10 14:28:36] Redslash: New runners though, in the pressure of getting a PB or such, sense of time can get warped a bit. In my experience at least.. [2014-09-10 14:29:17] ElGranJerry: the reason I ask in seconds is because my method is to look at the timer, lol [2014-09-10 14:29:23] ElGranJerry: so far so good [2014-09-10 14:30:13] Redslash: Oh son of a gun. Never would've thought of that, lol... [2014-09-10 14:30:32] Ottavino: i like the Kilaye method (because i'm a musician :) ), he based the timing on the music, so 7 quarters is [2X], 8.5-9 quarters is [4X], 10 quarters is [6X], 13 is [AX] [2014-09-10 14:31:14] Ottavino: and i play on tv so i don't see the timer when i run :( [2014-09-10 14:31:40] ElGranJerry: yeah, it has some downsides [2014-09-10 14:31:51] ElGranJerry: will need to learn scrolling when I switch to VC [2014-09-10 14:32:41] Ottavino: yeah, for now you can practice different timings while watching adress 7E29AD [2014-09-10 14:33:14] Redslash: But yeah, the only reason I stand by scrolling is that there's a check built in, that your presses are close to 1/5 second [2014-09-10 14:33:46] Ottavino: yeah, it's the most precise method [2014-09-10 14:38:03] ElGranJerry: when are you going to do a run RedSlash? [2014-09-10 14:38:18] Ottavino: yes, when??? [2014-09-10 14:41:28] Redslash: Ha ha, dang... I should be able to soon. I almost streamed some practice last night actually : P [2014-09-10 14:42:41] Ottavino: arf, I disabled my twitch email notifications [2014-09-10 14:43:02] ElGranJerry: same :/ I didn't catch it [2014-09-10 14:43:45] Ottavino: and video isn't saved :( [2014-09-10 14:44:09] Redslash: Oh, well I mean I didn't stream. I almost did X) [2014-09-10 14:44:19] Ottavino: lol [2014-09-10 14:44:23] ElGranJerry: aaah [2014-09-10 14:44:25] ElGranJerry: almost [2014-09-10 14:44:26] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-09-10 14:44:48] Redslash: Ha ha... [2014-09-10 14:45:09] DrunkenDraconian: it's true, I was there [2014-09-10 14:45:14] Redslash: Yeah my mic was acting weird, I need to check on it [2014-09-10 14:45:30] Redslash: Oh yeah you were! Lol [2014-09-10 14:47:22] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-10 14:47:28] ElGranJerry: I was planning Saturday for run #1 [2014-09-10 14:47:33] ElGranJerry: but its the FF relay race [2014-09-10 14:47:40] ElGranJerry: so probably waiting until sunday [2014-09-10 14:49:37] Ottavino: you can stream during FF5 Kappa [2014-09-10 14:49:59] ElGranJerry: lol, true [2014-09-10 14:50:04] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-10 14:50:21] ElGranJerry: any1 know at what time it starts? [2014-09-10 14:52:05] Ottavino: 10am edt [2014-09-10 14:52:48] ElGranJerry: thks! [2014-09-10 14:53:27] ElGranJerry: it's perfect for me then, watch FFIV, go get lunch [2014-09-10 14:53:30] ElGranJerry: watch FFVI [2014-09-10 14:53:45] Ottavino: same [2014-09-10 14:54:41] DrunkenDraconian: i love playing ff6, can't get into watching it [2014-09-10 14:54:59] DrunkenDraconian: most other rpgs i'm fine with [2014-09-10 14:55:33] Ottavino: is the CT race in scrubathon II confirmed? [2014-09-10 14:55:53] ElGranJerry: let me check [2014-09-10 14:56:02] ElGranJerry: I submitted it so we could race [2014-09-10 14:56:09] ElGranJerry: would be fun [2014-09-10 14:56:37] Ottavino: i might be able to join :) [2014-09-10 14:57:20] ElGranJerry: :) That would be cool [2014-09-10 14:58:37] DrunkenDraconian: question, what window am I aiming for when i s&q before 6500000? [2014-09-10 14:58:49] Ottavino: 3E to 57 [2014-09-10 15:00:06] Ottavino: one thing i noticed is the 34 damages taken in 1st battle in reptite lair [2014-09-10 15:00:38] Ottavino: enemys can take time to attack you if you delay this battle [2014-09-10 15:01:04] Ottavino: so to get attacked quickly, just hold left and B when you arrive in this room [2014-09-10 15:01:57] DrunkenDraconian: i feel like i het that window but the reptites aren't moving in a way to slash 2 of them [2014-09-10 15:02:02] DrunkenDraconian: hit* [2014-09-10 15:02:15] Ottavino: it's not loading dependant :) [2014-09-10 15:02:30] Ottavino: it depends the timing you close the last textbox [2014-09-10 15:02:44] DrunkenDraconian: ffs :P [2014-09-10 15:02:51] DrunkenDraconian: so mash? [2014-09-10 15:03:42] Ottavino: no, you need to delay last close, i personally use a audio cue, jerry use a visual cue, so i let him explain [2014-09-10 15:04:20] ElGranJerry: k, so you see how the reptites run right and left along the screen [2014-09-10 15:04:44] ElGranJerry: you want to close the textboxes when one reptite is exiting the screen through the right side [2014-09-10 15:05:41] ElGranJerry: If you check out Otta's WR you can see it perfectly [2014-09-10 15:06:14] ElGranJerry: this one was taught to me by SW :) [2014-09-10 15:09:38] Ottavino: warning: timing is slightly different between snes/emu and VC [2014-09-10 15:11:06] Ottavino: with an audio cue, i don't know if it changes with the visual one [2014-09-10 15:11:12] Redslash: I like watching the one guy go off to the right, then he passes Marle going left [2014-09-10 15:11:24] Ottavino: it's an 8 frames window [2014-09-10 15:16:41] DrunkenDraconian: man, 8 frames is hard to hit i guess [2014-09-10 15:17:50] Ottavino: btw, for testing/practicing on emu, there is a lua script which shows enemys hp and atb: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=159819#159819 [2014-09-10 15:20:27] Ottavino: and a question: do someone know why ayla, with 13 speed, is as fast as chrono, with ** speed? [2014-09-10 15:20:48] DrunkenDraconian: waifu powers? [2014-09-10 15:21:24] Ottavino: i am scripting twin golems fight and she gets her turn before him... [2014-09-10 15:21:54] ElGranJerry: dude, I got Ayla to attack BT before Crono today in the lavos shell [2014-09-10 15:22:01] ElGranJerry: she has waifu powers [2014-09-10 15:22:19] ElGranJerry: screwed me up a couple of times [2014-09-10 15:22:45] DrunkenDraconian: i've noticed in my active atb runs that if a bar fills up right after another ther 2nd one will get priority [2014-09-10 15:23:16] Ottavino: in BT it's normal, i read a long time ago that hasted speed is capped to 24 [2014-09-10 15:23:18] DrunkenDraconian: it feels very unintuitive [2014-09-10 15:23:27] ElGranJerry: oh I see [2014-09-10 15:24:02] ElGranJerry: I thought it was 25? [2014-09-10 15:24:05] ElGranJerry: same deal I guess [2014-09-10 15:24:32] Ottavino: i'm not sure, it was in a gamefaqs [2014-09-10 15:25:29] ElGranJerry: it's 24, true [2014-09-10 15:25:37] ElGranJerry: according to this [2014-09-10 15:25:39] ElGranJerry: http://guides.gamercorner.net/ct/systems/ [2014-09-10 15:26:53] DrunkenDraconian: neato [2014-09-10 15:27:03] DrunkenDraconian: that will be helpfull for sure [2014-09-10 15:27:32] ElGranJerry: yeah, just found it lol [2014-09-10 15:27:34] ElGranJerry: seems nice [2014-09-10 15:28:16] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, that's cool too, was talking about the lua script [2014-09-10 15:28:47] DrunkenDraconian: also, does it matter if the reptite setup works on the other side? [2014-09-10 15:29:48] Ottavino: reptite align in right instead in left? [2014-09-10 15:29:59] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, it just happened [2014-09-10 15:30:41] Ottavino: i doesn't change rng, it just faster in left because you select it by default with slash attack [2014-09-10 15:45:08] Redslash: Oh, I was getting the right-side alignment. For the good one, you can watch for the 1st reptite (that goes offscreen during the 1st textbox) to be between Crono and Marle [2014-09-10 15:49:21] DrunkenDraconian: 1st offscreen on the left or right? [2014-09-10 15:52:13] Redslash: On the right. He's the only one that doesn't go offscreen to the left, funny enough. And he's the only one heading rightward when the 1st text opens [2014-09-10 15:54:11] Redslash: ... They're all green and scaly! [2014-09-10 15:55:15] Ottavino: finally, i found a compromise with the two battle skips in ocean palace [2014-09-10 15:55:19] Ottavino: pfiu [2014-09-10 15:57:59] Redslash: Whew, congrats! That is awesome : ) [2014-09-10 15:58:49] DrunkenDraconian: cool [2014-09-10 16:00:19] ElGranJerry: sweet! [2014-09-10 16:01:53] Ottavino: it's 15 sec saved i think [2014-09-10 16:09:28] Ottavino: if i get the 2 skips i got a new rng which is faster (espacially for the 3 battles for frog quest), and i reset before son of sun [2014-09-10 16:09:45] Ottavino: if i get 1 skip of 2, it's the old rng [2014-09-10 16:10:16] Ottavino: if i get 0 skip, i don't know what happens and i don't want to think about that :) [2014-09-10 16:22:36] Redslash: I've played with those guys a bit, actually.. I find it's good to walk into them with down+left, but wait until they turn white before walking straight left [2014-09-10 16:23:22] Redslash: That hesitation is helpful somehow [2014-09-10 16:26:13 | Edited 16:26:23] Redslash: Possibly it just ensures I'm far enough down [2014-09-10 16:27:32] Ottavino: i'm doing it on the right side [2014-09-10 16:28:53] Ottavino: if i take a little time to get a good x position when i enter the room, i don't miss generally [2014-09-10 16:31:52] Redslash: Oh yeah, the going up part could be quite risky, if you rush into it [2014-09-10 16:32:22] Ottavino: but i need to rush, it's a speedrun! Kappa [2014-09-10 16:34:47] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-09-10 16:36:53] Ottavino: if you want the last update 100% route: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CbgCDDLuFYCu9c5YtQR9j28dCN3tI3LIinCL-3QXhDY/edit?usp=sharing [2014-09-10 16:38:41] ElGranJerry: cool! [2014-09-10 16:40:21] Ottavino: oups, i forgot /*/ Dark Mail in magus castle [2014-09-10 16:40:53] Ottavino: if you take all items listed, you normally have 60500G before getting chrono's clone [2014-09-10 16:41:44] ElGranJerry: oh, that's nice [2014-09-10 16:42:14] Ottavino: the money route is tense [2014-09-10 16:42:58] ElGranJerry: seems tense [2014-09-10 16:43:01] ElGranJerry: 60500 [2014-09-10 16:43:04] ElGranJerry: only 500 extra [2014-09-10 16:44:56] Ottavino: yeah, maybe buy 8-9 full tonics instead of 11 [2014-09-10 16:45:50] Ottavino: i don't remember the money you need to have when you do the shopping before sidequest, around 39000 i think [2014-09-10 16:46:53] ElGranJerry: true, you normally don't use all the full tonics, but it's a few frames faster to buy 11 than 8-9 Kappa [2014-09-10 16:47:42] Ottavino: yeah, in the last part we use all megaelixirs [2014-09-10 16:48:41] ElGranJerry: oh btw, I think SNES9x might be a bit slower than SNES or VC [2014-09-10 16:48:49] ElGranJerry: looking into that atm [2014-09-10 16:49:16] Ottavino: i read snes9x runs at 59.94 fps [2014-09-10 16:49:31] ElGranJerry: yes [2014-09-10 16:49:43] ElGranJerry: I timed Frog's cutscene to be like 4s slower? like not a big deal [2014-09-10 16:49:48] ElGranJerry: but a bit slower [2014-09-10 16:50:22] Ottavino: the worst is pal modded snes in europe, it runs at 59.56, so 3 minutes lost in a 5h run [2014-09-10 16:50:54] ElGranJerry: oh yeah, I read about that [2014-09-10 16:51:19] ElGranJerry: I prolly won't change emu though, some seconds are not a big deal [2014-09-10 16:51:25] ElGranJerry: need to get that capture card fast [2014-09-10 16:51:26] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-10 16:52:29] Ottavino: i try different cheap captures card, and only one works well, the easycap at 10$ on ebay [2014-09-10 16:52:48] ElGranJerry: oh, do you have that one? [2014-09-10 16:53:06] ElGranJerry: I was thinking on getting an easycap as well [2014-09-10 16:54:01] Ottavino: yes, all my console work with it [2014-09-10 16:54:33] Ottavino: i also have a live2 usb but it doesn't seem to recognize the wii [2014-09-10 16:55:19] Ottavino: easycap is you plug it, it works [2014-09-10 16:55:28] ElGranJerry: nice! [2014-09-10 16:55:33] ElGranJerry: which model is the one you have? [2014-09-10 16:55:39] ElGranJerry: I see a lot of easycaps around [2014-09-10 16:57:20] Ottavino: i think it's this one: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Easycap-USB-Audio-Video-VHS-to-DVD-Laptop-Capture-Card-Adapter-Converter-win7-8-/201091245540?pt=US_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item2ed1f8e5e4 [2014-09-10 16:59:13] ElGranJerry: ok cool, will check it out! [2014-09-10 18:46:30] Redslash: Well heck, Jerry if you're watching a timer, we could even list the timing from pressing A on the title screen... or from the soft reset. [2014-09-10 18:48:23] ElGranJerry: haha, could be a possibility. But the load varies on emulator at least [2014-09-10 18:48:29] ElGranJerry: From pressing start on the tittle screen [2014-09-10 18:48:43] ElGranJerry: but maybe get them for wii vc and snes would be nice [2014-09-10 18:55:27 | Edited 18:55:35] Redslash: True, might require some adjustment. But if you have full control over the starting point, timer seems like a great method [2014-09-10 18:55:57] ElGranJerry: yes it does [2014-09-10 18:56:12] ElGranJerry: and I think for new runners it would be the way to go [2014-09-10 18:56:21] ElGranJerry: but not many people seem to be running :( [2014-09-10 18:57:17] Redslash: Little things like this definitely make it more accessible =) [2014-09-10 18:59:01] Redslash: As much as I love the scroll, it's kinda hard to teach people about : P [2014-09-10 18:59:31] Ottavino: (oh 4am, i need to sleep!) i would be easier from pressing up (or down) on the title screen [2014-09-10 19:00:31] SnesWarrior: woah, I have missed some things [2014-09-10 19:00:33] SnesWarrior: whats up people [2014-09-10 19:00:48] Redslash: Sup dude : ) [2014-09-10 19:00:50] Ottavino: hey sneswarrior [2014-09-10 19:00:59] SnesWarrior: and hello otta!, welcome to the skype club (a little late =P ) [2014-09-10 19:01:14] ElGranJerry: hey SW [2014-09-10 19:01:18] ElGranJerry: and 4 am dang otta [2014-09-10 19:01:24] ElGranJerry: gotta get some rest dude haha [2014-09-10 19:01:57] Ottavino: i work at 6pm tomorrow so it's fine :) [2014-09-10 19:02:20] SnesWarrior: 4am is about my bedtime as well, wake up around 12pm [2014-09-10 19:02:35] ElGranJerry: oh I c, nice! [2014-09-10 19:02:55] ElGranJerry: I do class at 9 am so midnight is my time lol [2014-09-10 19:03:15] SnesWarrior: I used to have college at 6am, it was horrible [2014-09-10 19:03:32] SnesWarrior: and science at that [2014-09-10 19:05:14] Ottavino: good evening/night all, see ya [2014-09-10 19:05:27] ElGranJerry: cya ottavino. Good night [2014-09-10 19:05:29] SnesWarrior: goodnight man [2014-09-10 19:06:15] Redslash: Good night Ottavino, we'll catch ya later : ) [2014-09-10 19:23:35] ElGranJerry: How much time does reverse bird fight skip save? [2014-09-10 19:24:29] Redslash: 4 seconds =D [2014-09-10 19:24:36] ElGranJerry: really? :O [2014-09-10 19:24:38] ElGranJerry: feels like less [2014-09-10 19:26:03] Redslash: Also depends how fast you go... could call it 3 [2014-09-10 19:34:03] ElGranJerry: I see, cool :) [2014-09-11 12:01:57] Redslash: Wish I thought of this before... if your most recent save is the top one, you can hold up and mash to start a New Game on correct RNG, no need to delete [2014-09-11 12:02:30] DrunkenDraconian: noice [2014-09-11 12:02:46] DrunkenDraconian: that's good for when i practice on cart [2014-09-11 12:05:19] SnesWarrior: Dang dude, nice find, now I can finally always keep some saves for practice, that was bugging me. [2014-09-11 12:11:25] Redslash: Yep. 1st frame is bad (because top save gets loaded), but the next 3 are good (08-0a) [2014-09-11 12:14:45] Redslash: The Active/Wait selection works exactly the same, actually [2014-09-11 12:17:50] ElGranJerry: sweet [2014-09-11 12:22:58] ElGranJerry: this one guy banned me last night because I told him to use slash on Masa&Mune [2014-09-11 12:23:07] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-09-11 12:23:25] ElGranJerry: lost his only viewer [2014-09-11 12:23:34] DrunkenDraconian: backseat gaming, worst offence [2014-09-11 12:23:37] DrunkenDraconian: ever Kapppa [2014-09-11 12:23:51] ElGranJerry: haha, he was 30 minutes and couldn't beat him [2014-09-11 12:23:58] ElGranJerry: I felt bad [2014-09-11 12:30:16] ElGranJerry: 30 more min of class then I can be free [2014-09-11 12:30:27] ElGranJerry: thursdays are hell [2014-09-11 12:46:36] ElGranJerry: anyone wants to race Magus RTA this weekend? [2014-09-11 12:46:49] DrunkenDraconian: this guy [2014-09-11 12:46:58] ElGranJerry: sweeet [2014-09-11 12:47:11] ElGranJerry: sub 2:30 Magus this time hopefully [2014-09-11 12:47:13] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-11 12:48:37] DrunkenDraconian: also, i seem to be 2 damage short of killing flea, have you come across this and what was the issue? [2014-09-11 13:03:20] Redslash: Hmm, are your levels good? [2014-09-11 13:04:35] DrunkenDraconian: it's a practice file so nobody has died, c 12, fr 10, m 11 [2014-09-11 13:05:59] Ottavino: don't equip the rock helm on marle, keep it on ayla :) [2014-09-11 13:07:17] Ottavino: magus race this week-end, why not? [2014-09-11 13:08:25] Ottavino: if marle hasn't the rock, check for powerscarf on chrono [2014-09-11 13:08:54] DrunkenDraconian: rock helm is on her, going back to before nizbel and goiong again [2014-09-11 13:09:20] DrunkenDraconian: an artifact of the old 100% [2014-09-11 13:10:17] Ottavino: yeah, ayla doesn't need to deequip both armor and helm [2014-09-11 13:10:51] DrunkenDraconian: marle sees no play after this part except for yackra [2014-09-11 13:14:21] Ottavino: it's for the 100%? i keep robo for flea [2014-09-11 13:14:53] DrunkenDraconian: no, i'm using the old 100% in current any% [2014-09-11 13:15:07] DrunkenDraconian: keeping robo is a good idea [2014-09-11 13:15:55] Ottavino: at the end, instead of chrono attack, marle ice, frog crit, chrono attack, with robo it becomes robo attack, chrono slash, frog crit, chrono attack [2014-09-11 13:16:57] Ottavino: when you start a new game with no save, rng is 00, is 08-0A gives the same outcome? [2014-09-11 13:18:10] Redslash: Yeah, FB-0A is one window [2014-09-11 13:19:00] Redslash: F7 actually [2014-09-11 13:19:29] DrunkenDraconian: and crits don [2014-09-11 13:19:37] DrunkenDraconian: t matter i the first fight [2014-09-11 13:22:20] Redslash: I also put in a backup for Masa&Mune (using the savepoint), since crits don't matter for the first half. Might be good to test it though [2014-09-11 13:32:48] Ottavino: just tested the no delete new game, i get a new game on 07-0B [2014-09-11 13:33:22] Ottavino: but indeed, it's great if you want to keep saves [2014-09-11 13:35:09] DrunkenDraconian: I enjoy working on game timer runs every now and then [2014-09-11 17:44:12] Ottavino: http://www.twitch.tv/jiseed [2014-09-11 20:46:45] Redslash: Dang, thought I'd be back in time to see the end. Must've been good then [2014-09-11 20:49:31] SnesWarrior: 3:11:25 I think? 3:11:xx at the least. [2014-09-11 20:49:35] SnesWarrior: Not too shabby [2014-09-11 20:50:28] SnesWarrior: Got attacked by the M.Def/P.Def alternating guys just before Ozzie and kept his Magus RNG luckily [2014-09-11 20:54:27] Redslash: 3:11:43 according to the tape, nice [2014-09-11 20:54:55] SnesWarrior: Well Dang, Obda's hopping on the wagon now. [2014-09-11 20:55:15] SnesWarrior: This is gonna be a CT-Hype week I guess. [2014-09-11 20:55:47] Redslash: Yoooo I guess so [2014-09-12 7:48:52] ElGranJerry: I missed all of that lol :/ [2014-09-12 9:56:28] ElGranJerry: That urn was crap [2014-09-12 9:56:36] ElGranJerry: on the bright side I can now Zombor Skip [2014-09-12 10:01:17] SnesWarrior: Hey man, it was good as far as im concerned, you actually taught me something believe it or not, I need to test out when using L/R to go down in the menu to get to the shelter is most optimal, i've been just holding Start+Down, which makes you zoom down menus [2014-09-12 10:01:40] SnesWarrior: saw you do that twice I think [2014-09-12 10:01:56] ElGranJerry: it was decent until that 2nd guard spotted me haha [2014-09-12 10:02:05] ElGranJerry: yeah man, the 1st shelter is just L and A to use [2014-09-12 10:02:09] ElGranJerry: not even need to move down [2014-09-12 10:02:20] SnesWarrior: dang, thats nice [2014-09-12 10:02:24] ElGranJerry: and also to use the tabs [2014-09-12 10:02:36] ElGranJerry: the one where you equip steel sabre its L and 2 up [2014-09-12 10:03:18] ElGranJerry: when you skip the 3 tabs on Crono its 2 L and 1 up, kinda lines up [2014-09-12 10:05:02] SnesWarrior: I've been experimenting with optimal menus recently, If you make a point not to organize your menu untill you do the big menu after Zombor skip, your head and armor slot are the second and third slot in the shop, so its super easy, and then at the end you organize, use tabs, and it feels pretty smooth [2014-09-12 10:05:43] SnesWarrior: Just a little more testing and i'll have good menus, I keep accidentally sorting out of habit and stuff T_T [2014-09-12 10:07:49] ElGranJerry: ah I see, well gotta time stuff I guess [2014-09-12 10:07:56] ElGranJerry: see what the fastest one is [2014-09-12 10:08:00] ElGranJerry: save those frames [2014-09-12 10:09:49] SnesWarrior: True, but, the thing about menus is, its less about the frame, and more about what the individual human can do the fastest, the only real thing you need to time is the opening/closing load of your menu, but as long as you do your tab menu, while you already have to be in your menu, the time save is the same [2014-09-12 10:09:56] SnesWarrior: So it can really come down to preference [2014-09-12 10:11:26] SnesWarrior: And I think if you organize, the head and armor go to the very bottom so its still: "one directional input" sell, sell [2014-09-12 10:11:43] ElGranJerry: I see [2014-09-12 10:11:52] ElGranJerry: yeah if you organize it's L and you sell the armor and helm [2014-09-12 10:11:57] ElGranJerry: real quick [2014-09-12 12:41:35] ElGranJerry: gonna try another run, this time for real [2014-09-12 12:41:52] ElGranJerry: anyone wants to race? [2014-09-12 12:42:22] DrunkenDraconian: maybe [2014-09-12 12:43:14] DrunkenDraconian: you're looking to do a full run? [2014-09-12 12:43:34] ElGranJerry: yeah, hopefull [2014-09-12 12:43:36] ElGranJerry: y [2014-09-12 12:44:09] DrunkenDraconian: I' just seeing how much time i have before i have to head out & I only know up to magus [2014-09-12 12:44:59] ElGranJerry: we can race to Magus sure [2014-09-12 12:45:42] ElGranJerry: I got REKT by the 2nd guard again today [2014-09-12 12:45:47] ElGranJerry: I hate him [2014-09-12 12:48:09] DrunkenDraconian: sorry to string you allong, I don't think I have time [2014-09-12 12:48:16] DrunkenDraconian: but tomorrow? [2014-09-12 12:48:23] ElGranJerry: ook, np dude [2014-09-12 12:48:42] ElGranJerry: tomorrow might work, but I gotta head out at about 5pm [2014-09-12 12:49:24] SnesWarrior: I'm down for tommorow as well for some Magus RTA, gotta stock up on batteries for my wiimote, on low batt with no spares atm [2014-09-12 12:50:14] DrunkenDraconian: I'm around all day [2014-09-12 12:54:09] ElGranJerry: all right gonna do an any% then [2014-09-12 12:55:07] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I'll derp around with elixir glitch :P [2014-09-12 12:55:13] DrunkenDraconian: and lavos shell [2014-09-12 17:35:35] *** ElgranJerry added Nihil922 *** [2014-09-12 17:35:40] ElGranJerry: welcome :) [2014-09-12 17:35:51] SnesWarrior: Welcome to the club!!! [2014-09-12 17:36:06] Nihil922: hi, thank you :) [2014-09-12 17:37:28] ElGranJerry: I felt good with the run today. But really need to learn the backups [2014-09-12 17:37:31] ElGranJerry: that cost me some time [2014-09-12 17:40:23] SnesWarrior: It was good man, really entertaining to watch. Especially dat Lavos Shell, you got farther than I did when forgetting to change speed >< [2014-09-12 17:41:02] ElGranJerry: I immediately thought of pause buffering [2014-09-12 17:41:11] ElGranJerry: I delayed Marle's haste way too much :/ [2014-09-12 17:41:18] ElGranJerry: it was purty close [2014-09-12 17:41:57] Redslash: Yeah, that was solid play, I really enjoyed watching [2014-09-12 17:42:51] Redslash: Backups are the name of the game now : ) [2014-09-12 17:43:08] ElGranJerry: Thanks <3 and yeah I know haha [2014-09-12 17:45:08] Redslash: I'm excited for the next wave of Chrono speedrunners doing really bad but having a ton of backups, ha ha X) [2014-09-12 17:45:34] Ottavino: lol [2014-09-12 17:45:40] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-12 17:45:43] Redslash: That motivates me : ) [2014-09-12 17:45:57] ElGranJerry: I really enjoyed the run once I got past DTank [2014-09-12 17:46:04] ElGranJerry: the start really annoys me when I mess up [2014-09-12 17:46:39] Ottavino: dont worry Jerry, i think i practiced lavos shell times 200 times before i did in a run [2014-09-12 17:47:03] ElGranJerry: yeah ottavino, I didn't practice shell enough :/ [2014-09-12 17:47:07] ElGranJerry: I will tomorrow though [2014-09-12 17:47:13] ElGranJerry: watching the realy [2014-09-12 17:47:16] ElGranJerry: realy [2014-09-12 17:47:52] ElGranJerry: but forgetting to change the speed to 6, worst way to kill the run [2014-09-12 17:50:28] Redslash: Yeah, dang... what are the BS changes? Just Tyrano and final shell? [2014-09-12 17:52:50 | Edited 17:55:18] Redslash: You guys should take it to the next level, swap A and X from the beginning and use it the whole game. Run on L is really nice too ; ) [2014-09-12 17:53:38] SnesWarrior: I thought about doing that for the longest lol, I might when I get a decent time [2014-09-12 17:56:49] ElGranJerry: save those seconds [2014-09-12 17:56:55] ElGranJerry: I might play around with controlls [2014-09-12 17:57:02] ElGranJerry: but it would feel weird haha [2014-09-12 17:57:55] SnesWarrior: yea, thats the main reason I havent, i know I would mess up in so many spots until I got used to it, which might take awhile, my muscle memory is pretty strong unfortunately >< [2014-09-12 17:59:49] Redslash: It ain't too bad. For fadeouts I have right index on Start, ring finger alternating between B and A(menu) [2014-09-12 18:00:45] Redslash: But I generally don't use my right thumb anyway, index/middle is good for mashing [2014-09-12 18:02:17] SnesWarrior: Yea, another advantage is you can delay your equipment menu and shelter until just before the 3 robot fight, and i think you'd be fine for Factory [2014-09-12 18:06:18] ElGranJerry: true [2014-09-12 18:06:40] Redslash: Another thing I'm looking at is using the Porre shop, since the guy doesn't have any hi/bye text (sell,dequip Robo,sell) [2014-09-12 18:07:24] SnesWarrior: oh dang, yea that sounds like it might work [2014-09-12 18:07:55] ElGranJerry: true [2014-09-12 18:08:00] ElGranJerry: that sounds like a good idea [2014-09-12 18:08:20] ElGranJerry: but that would take time to walk down there? [2014-09-12 18:08:57] Redslash: Well, on the way to Tata's house, after MasaMune [2014-09-12 18:09:05] ElGranJerry: ohh [2014-09-12 18:09:15] ElGranJerry: so no unequip for Masa? [2014-09-12 18:09:18] ElGranJerry: interesting [2014-09-12 18:10:06] SnesWarrior: I thought you meant the shop before the bridge =X I need to learn my Town names rofl [2014-09-12 18:10:18] Redslash: Just delaying Robo's, I haven't tested delaying Crono/Marle's yet [2014-09-12 18:10:20] ElGranJerry: that's Truce iirc [2014-09-12 18:10:43] ElGranJerry: why wouldn't the one before the bridge work? [2014-09-12 18:10:57] ElGranJerry: oh yeah he has a textbox [2014-09-12 18:11:00] ElGranJerry: duh, my bad [2014-09-12 18:11:48] Redslash: Yeah, the north one is the same, but... [2014-09-12 18:13:33] Redslash: You can sell Lucca's stuff there in Truce 600, dequip Marle when you get the Ptab from 1000AD forest... it's the same [2014-09-12 18:14:08 | Edited 18:15:23] Redslash: Just because opening menu takes the same amount of time as entering a shop [2014-09-12 18:15:12] ElGranJerry: interesting [2014-09-12 18:15:23] ElGranJerry: worth checking it out [2014-09-12 18:15:58] SnesWarrior: Ooo, dequipping Marle in 1000AD, that is awesome, should take some strain off of the other menu at the very least [2014-09-12 18:19:52] Ottavino: Chrono needs to be alive at the end of Slash [2014-09-12 18:20:46] Redslash: Yeah, I guess so. 2 TP short, but I don't know why [2014-09-12 18:21:11] Ottavino: In this route I cut off one of the 3 battles before nizbel 2, so Chrono needs tech points from Slash [2014-09-12 18:22:41] Redslash: Well, 6 reptites and 2 volcanoes, I have that... [2014-09-12 18:23:23] Ottavino: I just check the vod from Jerry and chrono was dead in slash battle [2014-09-12 18:23:34] Redslash: When I figure out what I'm missing it's gonna be a OHHHH moment [2014-09-12 18:24:02] Redslash: Missing 10 TP should be fine tho [2014-09-12 18:24:15] SnesWarrior: you mean.. 4 reptites.. 4 volcanoes? [2014-09-12 18:24:22] Ottavino: Not in this route [2014-09-12 18:24:33] Ottavino: You can't miss 10 tp [2014-09-12 18:26:39] Redslash: Oh god, 4 and 4 [2014-09-12 18:27:00] Ottavino: Old route had 54 TP in tyranno lair before tyranno, now it's 44 (1st battle with ayla crits gives 8tp) [2014-09-12 18:27:44] Ottavino: So slash TP are obligatory for chrono or hé won't learn spincut [2014-09-12 18:29:37] Ottavino: I heard there was a problem with spincut when i arrived on the stream [2014-09-12 18:29:56] ElGranJerry: so in that case you fight an extra volcano fight to get the TP I guess [2014-09-12 18:30:00] ElGranJerry: for a backup [2014-09-12 18:30:07] Ottavino: Yeah [2014-09-12 18:30:50] Ottavino: If chrono died in slash battle, it's a 30 sec loss :( [2014-09-12 18:31:24] ElGranJerry: :( [2014-09-12 18:31:46] ElGranJerry: I tried to revive Crono but Frog next attack killed slash [2014-09-12 18:32:05] ElGranJerry: messed up the RNG on the decadent fight lmao [2014-09-12 18:32:09] ElGranJerry: didn't hold x [2014-09-12 18:32:16] Ottavino: Yeah [2014-09-12 18:32:30] Ottavino: Practice mâles better :) [2014-09-12 18:32:38] Ottavino: Makes * [2014-09-12 18:32:51] SnesWarrior: For sure [2014-09-12 18:32:52] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-09-12 18:32:58] ElGranJerry: I am practicing as we speak [2014-09-12 18:33:06] ElGranJerry: just a practice run [2014-09-12 18:34:40] SnesWarrior: I forgot about the FF relay when we were talking about magus RTA's earlier. You guys wanna delay it till Sunday? When does the relay end? I forget. [2014-09-12 18:35:11] Ottavino: Relay strats at 10 am edt [2014-09-12 18:35:18] Redslash: No no, I had that right. Where are those 2 TP?? [2014-09-12 18:35:40] SnesWarrior: hmmm [2014-09-12 18:35:43] ElGranJerry: so like 8-9 pm end [2014-09-12 18:35:58] ElGranJerry: wait, does edt mean eastern or european? [2014-09-12 18:36:05] Ottavino: Eastern [2014-09-12 18:36:37] Redslash: Eastern daylight, which is Eastern +1 [2014-09-12 18:36:59] ElGranJerry: I won't be home when it ends :/ [2014-09-12 18:37:06] ElGranJerry: and will prolly miss FF6 [2014-09-12 18:37:33] SnesWarrior: :( [2014-09-12 18:38:01] Ottavino: I let you verify the hour when it starts, I live in europe [2014-09-12 18:38:02] ElGranJerry: It can be sunday or we can delay it to next Saturday, I am fine with both [2014-09-12 18:38:30] Ottavino: Sunday is fine [2014-09-12 18:39:25] SnesWarrior: When is that CT bonus thing? It's next weekend too right? [2014-09-12 18:39:44] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-09-12 18:39:56] ElGranJerry: shame I couldn't learn it a few weeks ago, ElMagus offered me the spot [2014-09-12 18:40:04] ElGranJerry: but i didn't know if I would learn it on time [2014-09-12 18:41:25] Ottavino: What fight did you do to recover spincut? [2014-09-12 18:41:37] ElGranJerry: None Ottavino, I fought BT with Slash [2014-09-12 18:41:40] ElGranJerry: and did 3 cycle [2014-09-12 18:41:57] SnesWarrior: Oh, right, they probably have a cap on the number of people that they want to run it so they can commentate or something. [2014-09-12 18:41:59] ElGranJerry: I realized I didn't get spincut until the fight [2014-09-12 18:42:09] ElGranJerry: yeah, 4 peeps [2014-09-12 18:42:21] Ottavino: Tech points are doubled when you learn a tech [2014-09-12 18:42:32] ElGranJerry: i think it's obda, essentia, jenja and magus [2014-09-12 18:43:08] ElGranJerry: yeah, but after BT I didn't need those TP anymore, so I just moved on [2014-09-12 18:43:17] Redslash: My spreadsheet should be correct, I dunno what's wrong ; ( [2014-09-12 18:43:19] SnesWarrior: thats quite an interesting group of CT runners lol [2014-09-12 18:43:48] ElGranJerry: we are going to see the old route for most except obda y guess [2014-09-12 18:43:56] Ottavino: How many TP give azala and BT? [2014-09-12 18:44:16] SnesWarrior: elmagus hmm, that guy is always full of surprises, I wonder how much of the current route he's learned and is going to use. [2014-09-12 18:45:02] Redslash: I mean, doubling doesn't even matter. Spincut is 160 TP after learning Lightning from Spekkio [2014-09-12 18:45:05] ElGranJerry: 15 TP right? 0 for Azala and 15 for BT [2014-09-12 18:45:16] ElGranJerry: yeah, elmagus is great [2014-09-12 18:46:16] SnesWarrior: He impresses me with the amount of games he's learned so quickly. [2014-09-12 18:46:33] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-09-12 18:48:03] Redslash: In any%, only thing doubling affects is Marle's Cure->Haste [2014-09-12 18:48:35] Ottavino: At the end of the game, how many TP is chrono from lighting2 normaly? [2014-09-12 18:49:45] ElGranJerry: I just checked on the .smv file you sent us [2014-09-12 18:49:47] ElGranJerry: 199 [2014-09-12 18:49:53] ElGranJerry: before the elixir glitches [2014-09-12 18:51:11] Ottavino: So 449 before sunken desert [2014-09-12 18:52:22] Redslash: Alright, I'm just missing 2 somewhere [2014-09-12 18:53:21] Redslash: Once I correct this, I'll upload the spreadsheet so y'all can play with it ; P [2014-09-12 18:54:05] ElGranJerry: I am not sure Ottavino, I was 452 from L2 when I died to Slash [2014-09-12 18:54:07] ElGranJerry: earlier today [2014-09-12 18:54:15] ElGranJerry: but idk if done normally [2014-09-12 18:54:30] ElGranJerry: I mean, 452 death to slash before desert [2014-09-12 18:55:44] Ottavino: Jerry were at 452 before sunken desert because he got 0 from slash, 18 from the last reptite fight and 50 from azala/BT. In the route you get 10 from slash, 36 from the last reptite fight and 25 from azala/BT. [2014-09-12 18:56:52] ElGranJerry: I see [2014-09-12 18:57:21] SnesWarrior: That makes sense, your chart was correct in that case ^^ [2014-09-12 18:58:12] Ottavino: For the 2 TP thing, have you counted the battle in heckran cave? [2014-09-12 18:58:29] Redslash: Yeah [2014-09-12 18:59:07] ElGranJerry: the TP from the single acid? [2014-09-12 18:59:23] ElGranJerry: oh wait, might be missing the double from Cyclone? [2014-09-12 18:59:31] Ottavino: Acid doesn't count [2014-09-12 19:01:36] Ottavino: You have a chart with TP redslash? [2014-09-12 19:04:18 | Edited 19:04:27] Redslash: Yes. But, I did use the Chrono Compendium for some values. I really want to fix this X) [2014-09-12 19:04:43] ElGranJerry: can you upload it so we can see and help? [2014-09-12 19:05:43] Redslash: I'll give it a shot, ye [2014-09-12 19:17:07] ElGranJerry: It's raining very hard outside [2014-09-12 19:17:10] ElGranJerry: free shower Kappa [2014-09-12 19:17:19] Redslash: Noice [2014-09-12 19:17:31] DrunkenDraconian: I love the rain [2014-09-12 19:17:46] Redslash: One moment pls, configuring array formulas [2014-09-12 19:18:01] ElGranJerry: No rush man [2014-09-12 19:18:02] SnesWarrior: Same, I live in Texas so it brings in cool fronts when its real hot like it is now. [2014-09-12 19:18:33] ElGranJerry: yeah, I like it, but every time it rains it floods streets so it takes me a long time to get somewhere [2014-09-12 19:18:43] ElGranJerry: since it normally never rains [2014-09-12 19:18:51] SnesWarrior: oh wow [2014-09-12 19:20:36] Redslash: Are you near Austin, SnesWarrior? [2014-09-12 19:21:13] SnesWarrior: Nah, I live in the northeast corner, close to the border of Arkansas [2014-09-12 19:22:46] SnesWarrior: Grew up in a really redneck area lol, nothing around but farmland. Had like 40 students in our grade [2014-09-12 19:23:02] SnesWarrior: well maybe 50-60 in high school [2014-09-12 19:23:51] Redslash: Ah dang. You know, in Kansas, they call the call the Arkansas river the "Our Kansas" River, pretty funny [2014-09-12 19:24:21] Redslash: I live in WA but I've been to Kansas a couple times. Relatives. [2014-09-12 19:24:48] SnesWarrior: rofl. We make fun of arkansas here too, but I guess we're a little meaner about it [2014-09-12 19:25:22] SnesWarrior: For whatever reason, everyone here calls them all inbred [2014-09-12 19:25:48] DrunkenDraconian: I live with Beavers eh. [2014-09-12 19:26:02] SnesWarrior: They same the same about where I grew up tho, just cause its small and everybody knows everybody [2014-09-12 19:26:14] SnesWarrior: do the same* [2014-09-12 19:26:23] Redslash: My family is from St. John, KS... everyone living in that town is related, so... [2014-09-12 19:27:49] ElGranJerry: I live in a town with 1 million people, not to shabby lmao [2014-09-12 19:28:00] ElGranJerry: would be fun to live in a smaller place I guess, calmer [2014-09-12 19:28:10] Redslash: And the geezers give their kids shit for moving away... lol [2014-09-12 19:28:21] SnesWarrior: lol [2014-09-12 19:28:58] SnesWarrior: I don't think I could ever live in a city cause of how I grew up. It's just too fun to not be surrounded by anything but a forest, and just enjoy nature. [2014-09-12 19:29:02] SnesWarrior: I guess im a bit of a hippie [2014-09-12 19:30:06] SnesWarrior: But im not sure if hippies know how to clean an animal properly, or much less catch one =P [2014-09-12 19:30:09] DrunkenDraconian: dude, i make it to the country at least once every 2 weeks or i go crazy [2014-09-12 19:30:16] Redslash: Yeah I don't get it myself. I want to throw stuff out in the woods, not put it into a landfill or whatever [2014-09-12 19:30:57] Redslash: You know, decomposable stuff X) Ah well [2014-09-12 19:31:52] SnesWarrior: same, i live in a small town outside of where I grew up, but I go there once a week to visit a friend of mine who has like, a giant mansion of a chicken coop. It's homemade, and we hunt the rats with a spotlight from about 10pm to 5am xD [2014-09-12 19:32:15] SnesWarrior: poor boy entertainment [2014-09-12 19:33:06] Redslash: Yo, I love chickens [2014-09-12 19:33:32] ElGranJerry: I eat chickens :( [2014-09-12 19:34:11] Redslash: My gramps across town, I lived with him several years, while the city grew up around him... [2014-09-12 19:34:34] Redslash: Chickens are good to eat, no question there [2014-09-12 19:35:30] SnesWarrior: You wouldn't wanna eat these chickens... at least I wouldn't... did you know chickens swallow dead rats whole? I didn't. [2014-09-12 19:35:32] Redslash: The "boys in blue" he calls 'em, when they come by to say, "please keep them penned up" [2014-09-12 19:36:12] Redslash: What kinda chickens do you have, lol... [2014-09-12 19:36:33] Redslash: Or else, our rats are pretty big... [2014-09-12 19:37:25] SnesWarrior: lol, so the friend I visit who has the coop lives with his grandma, and she has started collecting exotic chickens. so she has like 8 different species [2014-09-12 19:37:50] SnesWarrior: some have "silk" feathers, thats looks like straight up fur [2014-09-12 19:38:29] SnesWarrior: the rats are kinda tiny tho, I mean anywhere from 2-5 inches [2014-09-12 19:38:56] Redslash: Yo, that's awesome. Gramps only ever kept bantys, then someone gave him a red rooster, and then we had those [2014-09-12 19:39:56] Redslash: Our rats are pretty huge... but even then, I really dunno about chickens eating rats, lol [2014-09-12 19:40:48] SnesWarrior: It's pretty cool, they dont eat their chickens, they keep them as pets and sell the hatchlings and the eggs, and that covers the costs of running the facility. They are retired so thats just what they do for fun to pass the time [2014-09-12 19:40:59] SnesWarrior: And we're the free pest control I guess =P [2014-09-12 19:42:27] Redslash: The only real way I know of to control rats is not throw out excess grain for the chickens [2014-09-12 19:43:20] SnesWarrior: Yeah, but they just toss it on the ground, and dont put away the buckets they feed them with. It's pretty much unstoppable the way they have it set up [2014-09-12 19:43:46] SnesWarrior: But I mean, its not too big of a deal, they have plenty to eat with the chickens, so they don't go to the house which is about 200yds away [2014-09-12 19:44:29] SnesWarrior: And you'd be surprised how fun and challenging it is to hit 2-5 inch rat in the middle of the night with a rifle while holding a spotlight, haha [2014-09-12 19:59:06] ElGranJerry: All the streams on twitch are buffering for me :( [2014-09-12 19:59:09] ElGranJerry: But not hitbox [2014-09-12 19:59:41] DrunkenDraconian: if just hiccuped for me but is back now [2014-09-12 20:01:05] ElGranJerry: still bad for me :( [2014-09-12 20:01:14] ElGranJerry: oh well, I can watch on Hbox and pop out twitch chat [2014-09-12 20:04:23] ElGranJerry: well I am gonna head out [2014-09-12 20:04:25] ElGranJerry: cya later :) [2014-09-12 20:06:11] SnesWarrior: later man [2014-09-13 8:07:28] DrunkenDraconian: The production value of the race is great, just say'n [2014-09-13 8:23:01] ElGranJerry: good so far [2014-09-13 10:05:02] SnesWarrior: Mo'nin peeps [2014-09-13 10:05:33] SnesWarrior: Oh dang, stream setup for the race does look really good [2014-09-13 10:06:02] SnesWarrior: I like the background music, thats a unique touch I don't think ive seen before [2014-09-13 10:06:06] DrunkenDraconian: indeed, they have a cool split setup they change to as well [2014-09-13 10:10:59] SnesWarrior: cant wait to see all these final descents xD [2014-09-13 10:12:36] SnesWarrior: LOL neerms 1st encounter was a Red. D [2014-09-13 10:14:50] DrunkenDraconian: and then 2more [2014-09-13 10:15:07] SnesWarrior: I was just about to brag about Neerms final descent luck too [2014-09-13 10:16:35] DrunkenDraconian: WR trolling [2014-09-13 10:16:50] SnesWarrior: Caracarnvi simultaneously running 3 games by himself, I wish I had even close to that stamina [2014-09-13 10:17:29] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, it's nuts [2014-09-13 10:17:48] DrunkenDraconian: he onto 9 yeT? [2014-09-13 10:17:54] SnesWarrior: yep [2014-09-13 10:18:28] SnesWarrior: Got to watch most of his 7 run before twitch entirely exploded last night [2014-09-13 10:18:57] DrunkenDraconian: yeah it def got bad again, caught up on my youtube [2014-09-13 10:21:05] SnesWarrior: dang man, final form zeromus doesn't take 7 minutes does it? Neerrm may have it [2014-09-13 10:21:53] SnesWarrior: oh wait, duh, the last cutscene takes a sec i guess [2014-09-13 10:22:43] SnesWarrior: ah ok yea, that split setup is really awesome!! [2014-09-13 10:27:53] ElGranJerry: when is the Chrono Relay? Any%, 100% and CC Kappa [2014-09-13 10:28:47] SnesWarrior: daaaang, neerrm so close to that WR PB [2014-09-13 10:29:03] DrunkenDraconian: that's a great idea [2014-09-13 10:29:15] SnesWarrior: And yea, that should definitely be a marathon [2014-09-13 10:29:17] ElGranJerry: add waifu% [2014-09-13 10:29:25] ElGranJerry: or all endings, W/e [2014-09-13 10:29:38] DrunkenDraconian: oh jeez [2014-09-13 10:31:08] SnesWarrior: First Jerry needs to PLAY CC so he wont get spoilered all over the place =P [2014-09-13 10:31:51] DrunkenDraconian: I think the Magus race should be glitchless active atb, notKappa [2014-09-13 10:32:17] SnesWarrior: *cries* [2014-09-13 10:33:19] ElGranJerry: I will sooon [2014-09-13 10:33:26] ElGranJerry: DD with the advantage there [2014-09-13 10:33:29] ElGranJerry: I am up for active [2014-09-13 10:33:40] ElGranJerry: but not all bosses [2014-09-13 10:33:47] ElGranJerry: why fight heckran? [2014-09-13 10:33:50] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-09-13 10:37:51] DrunkenDraconian: I'm almost there for full any% runs, need like a week or so [2014-09-13 10:37:59] DrunkenDraconian: it's been my main focus [2014-09-13 10:38:36] SnesWarrior: very nice, looking forward to it [2014-09-13 10:42:04] ElGranJerry: sweet [2014-09-13 10:42:05] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-13 10:45:54] DrunkenDraconian: did that trick work for you on zombor? [2014-09-13 10:46:00] DrunkenDraconian: Jerry? [2014-09-13 10:53:35] ElGranJerry: yes [2014-09-13 10:53:43] ElGranJerry: SW explained my flaw [2014-09-13 10:53:52] ElGranJerry: I got it 20 in a row last night [2014-09-13 10:54:12] SnesWarrior: Niiiice [2014-09-13 10:54:23] SnesWarrior: legitimately scared for Magus RTA's now [2014-09-13 10:54:43] SnesWarrior: knew I shoulda waited till afterwards, Kappa [2014-09-13 10:57:30] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-09-13 10:57:39] ElGranJerry: I was really surprised with that 2:05 Magus yesterday [2014-09-13 10:57:40] DrunkenDraconian: was there a time set for that? [2014-09-13 10:57:45] ElGranJerry: urn looked bad [2014-09-13 11:00:04] ElGranJerry: not really, no time set [2014-09-13 11:00:41] DrunkenDraconian: I'm free whenever this weekend [2014-09-13 11:01:06] DrunkenDraconian: I'm catching up on reading most of today [2014-09-13 11:01:41] SnesWarrior: If you're free after FF6 I might be up for either a Magus or End of Time race or something for practice [2014-09-13 11:02:05] SnesWarrior: depends how late it is [2014-09-13 11:02:48] DrunkenDraconian: EoT is to R-series? [2014-09-13 11:03:16] SnesWarrior: Pretty much, (I think you split when the gate opens or closes, I forget) [2014-09-13 11:03:21] Ottavino: around 5am for me, why not? [2014-09-13 11:03:52] SnesWarrior: 5am X_X I hope that's a waking up early time, hehe [2014-09-13 11:04:27] Ottavino: yeah, i will sleep during first half of ff6 i think [2014-09-13 11:04:37] DrunkenDraconian: so in around 9-10h? [2014-09-13 11:05:48] SnesWarrior: Sounds good to me [2014-09-13 11:06:05] ElGranJerry: I might make it but not sure, don't wait for me [2014-09-13 11:07:30] Ottavino: didn't practice since a few weeks, it will be fun [2014-09-13 11:09:01] SnesWarrior: Doesn't matter how much I practice, my downfall will always be going for too tight of movement in Future >< I found out if you are fast enough, you can cut in front of the 2nd bug and go up the stairs... might have to play it safe during a race, but its so hard not to do the optimal thing once you've learned it :( [2014-09-13 11:09:39] ElGranJerry: that bug always kills me, I normally wait [2014-09-13 11:10:19] SnesWarrior: Yea, I think its around a 3 pixel window if you get there the fastest, maybe 4 or 5 if you are literally TAS pace in that screen [2014-09-13 11:11:21] DrunkenDraconian: are you talking on the way out? [2014-09-13 11:11:35] DrunkenDraconian: after the lavos cutscene? [2014-09-13 11:11:39] SnesWarrior: nope, way in, surprisingly [2014-09-13 11:11:57] SnesWarrior: I thought you had to wait for 2nd bug always, then found out last week you can cut in front of him [2014-09-13 11:12:16] DrunkenDraconian: oh yeah, i always do that [2014-09-13 11:12:58] DrunkenDraconian: it's not as tight as it seems [2014-09-13 11:13:32] SnesWarrior: On the way out, the hard part is being fast enough to still go down the last set of stairs and actually go UP to dodge the rat, and go inbetween the two rats. Usually end up having to wait tho [2014-09-13 11:17:21] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, you can make the gap even when pausing for the 2nd bug, but if you juke around him you end up waiting for the rats anyway [2014-09-13 11:19:52] SnesWarrior: You can actually get in front of the rat after the juke if fast enough, when you are at the bottom of the last stairs you need to press diagonal up-right, and you will just baaaarely squeeze past him, and you can go right behind him, only like a second save tho. It's not exactly worth the risk [2014-09-13 11:20:26] DrunkenDraconian: crasy [2014-09-13 11:20:34] DrunkenDraconian: *z [2014-09-13 11:22:03] SnesWarrior: I love my optimal movement, I may not be able to do it, but for a long time since Otta started working on the route I felt like that was what I wanted to contribute since I dont really have the patience for reading/learning the RNG strings. [2014-09-13 11:22:11] SnesWarrior: I should really make some highlights on them [2014-09-13 11:23:22] DrunkenDraconian: yeah man, I did that with one I did in a non serious run [2014-09-13 11:23:41] DrunkenDraconian: the first staircase with roilies in magus' castle [2014-09-13 11:23:53] DrunkenDraconian: you can skip the second one comming down [2014-09-13 11:26:46] SnesWarrior: oh dang dude! I just watched that, I knew you could skip him but didnt know you could do it like the birds in the second staircase [2014-09-13 11:27:08] SnesWarrior: I always did it from the right side, if you are fast enough you can faceplant into the right side of the screen and do the same thing [2014-09-13 11:27:16] SnesWarrior: yours is like a second faster tho, nice find [2014-09-13 11:27:51] DrunkenDraconian: it feels safe enough [2014-09-13 11:28:01] DrunkenDraconian: still a tad risky [2014-09-13 11:28:17] SnesWarrior: Yea, it looks just like the way you skip the birds in the 2nd screen, im straight up gonna practice that in a second lol [2014-09-13 11:28:25] DrunkenDraconian: hah [2014-09-13 11:32:35] SnesWarrior: Welp, I'ma go wash my butt and go pickup some batteries for tonight. I really hate wireless wiimotes. And the fact I have to plug a controller...into a controller... to get my controller to work. smh.. bbl [2014-09-13 11:33:26] DrunkenDraconian: cya [2014-09-13 11:36:33] ElGranJerry: bye [2014-09-13 18:03:49] ElGranJerry: just went to see our city team play soccer and the game got suspended because of the rain [2014-09-13 18:03:56] ElGranJerry: 3 hour journey for nothing [2014-09-13 18:04:19] DrunkenDraconian: raaaaaaaaaaage [2014-09-13 18:04:30] ElGranJerry: sort of haha [2014-09-13 18:04:48] ElGranJerry: I get to watch the Magus RTA if it happens, I prolly won't race with you :( [2014-09-13 18:05:30] SnesWarrior: Dang man, sorry to hear about the trip =/ [2014-09-13 18:06:10] ElGranJerry: no biggie, at least I had a good meal before the game got suspended [2014-09-13 18:06:31] SnesWarrior: thats nice, what'd you eat? [2014-09-13 18:07:18] ElGranJerry: beef tacos with some pico de gallo (onion, tomato, chilli) and some good sauce [2014-09-13 18:07:22] ElGranJerry: so good [2014-09-13 18:08:12] SnesWarrior: yeah, id say that beats a grilled chicken sandwich from dairy queen, lol [2014-09-13 18:08:30] SnesWarrior: got to see the opera in the ff6 race tho [2014-09-13 18:08:39] ElGranJerry: I love grilled chicken though :O [2014-09-13 18:08:42] SnesWarrior: dreamboum killed it [2014-09-13 18:08:52] ElGranJerry: aah, nice [2014-09-13 18:09:03] SnesWarrior: yea chicken is like all I eat, i have a weird stomach [2014-09-13 18:09:31] ElGranJerry: I don't know much about ff6 lol, who is winning? Dreambourn? [2014-09-13 18:10:16] SnesWarrior: I don't know too much about the actual tech of the run, other than sketch glitch I giess. I like all the runners tho [2014-09-13 18:10:31] Nihil922: magoo is in the lead [2014-09-13 18:10:43] DrunkenDraconian: elmagus' team was 10 ahead when he started [2014-09-13 18:10:54] ElGranJerry: oh sweet [2014-09-13 18:11:07] SnesWarrior: yea, i actually don't know how long essentia waited, but i dont think shes winning [2014-09-13 18:11:07] DrunkenDraconian: Lcc is killing it but wont gain his 26 min deficit [2014-09-13 18:12:30] ElGranJerry: dang 26 minutes [2014-09-13 18:13:07] DrunkenDraconian: his team was behind by 26 min before the get go [2014-09-13 18:14:47] SnesWarrior: If only dream didnt die on Cranes [2014-09-13 18:15:24] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I'm not sure how much he used to run, but he's a bit rusty for sure [2014-09-13 18:15:24] SnesWarrior: I thought he was gonna pull something off tho, he tried [2014-09-13 18:15:55] SnesWarrior: Everybody talks about how the cranes are so rare to screw you, but i've seen it happen so many times [2014-09-13 18:15:57] SnesWarrior: lol [2014-09-13 18:20:15] ElGranJerry: I've seen this part before, I believe elmagus is about to finish? [2014-09-13 18:20:21] ElGranJerry: like 10-15 min [2014-09-13 18:20:30] DrunkenDraconian: noep [2014-09-13 18:20:38] ElGranJerry: :( [2014-09-13 18:20:43] DrunkenDraconian: this is the end of the world of ballance [2014-09-13 18:21:21] DrunkenDraconian: 2h left for magus [2014-09-13 18:21:39] ElGranJerry: ooooh, trueee [2014-09-13 18:21:46] ElGranJerry: lmao my bad [2014-09-13 18:22:03] ElGranJerry: The only run of this I watched was Einbert haha [2014-09-13 18:22:21] ElGranJerry: and that ship looked familiar :( [2014-09-13 18:23:45] DrunkenDraconian: I was hoping they would be done sooner [2014-09-13 18:24:05] ElGranJerry: so FF6 is no sketch glitch then [2014-09-13 18:24:11] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2014-09-13 18:24:19] ElGranJerry: yeah I thought it was gonna be like between 10-11 [2014-09-13 18:25:59] DrunkenDraconian: might be getting a bit late for a race... [2014-09-13 18:27:27] DrunkenDraconian: for me anyways [2014-09-13 18:27:48] SnesWarrior: It's no biggie, if I don't feel tired I think I might still do a run to somewhere or something lol. I dunno if Ottavino is awake yet either. [2014-09-13 18:28:36] DrunkenDraconian: we are all in different timezomes :P [2014-09-13 18:28:55] SnesWarrior: lol i know, only me and jerry have the same cause we're "exicans" [2014-09-13 18:28:55] DrunkenDraconian: you and jerry are -2 of me and otta is +4 [2014-09-13 18:29:21] ElGranJerry: haha :) [2014-09-13 18:29:50] ElGranJerry: I won't be able to race today since I am having a family dinner later [2014-09-13 18:30:06] ElGranJerry: but I can watch some bits [2014-09-13 18:30:08] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-13 18:31:11] DrunkenDraconian: \o/\o/(ninja)\o/\o/ [2014-09-13 18:31:26] ElGranJerry: wtf? lol [2014-09-13 18:31:30] SnesWarrior: rofl [2014-09-13 18:31:55] DrunkenDraconian: I'm in pain, that's so funny :P [2014-09-13 18:32:02] SnesWarrior: I was reading there was a way to add your own emotes to skype, I was trying to research it but could only find something about mac's being able to do it [2014-09-13 18:33:36] ElGranJerry: yeah same [2014-09-13 18:33:52] ElGranJerry: twitch emotes for skype or riot (devil) [2014-09-13 18:35:12] DrunkenDraconian: I wonder if twitch will ever ger animated emotes? [2014-09-13 18:35:41] SnesWarrior: It would be cool, but all the cool ones would be so copyright [2014-09-13 18:36:36] SnesWarrior: Did Jackafur get hit with a copyright email about his emotes? I heard him talking about it like he was pissed [2014-09-13 18:36:50] DrunkenDraconian: no idea [2014-09-13 18:38:43] SnesWarrior: I like how LCC just nope'd right outta the opera earlier =P [2014-09-13 18:38:47] SnesWarrior: that was great [2014-09-13 18:39:27] DrunkenDraconian: am I alone in thinking the opera is my least favorite part of the game? [2014-09-13 18:39:38] DrunkenDraconian: i leave streams during the opera [2014-09-13 18:39:55] SnesWarrior: hahaha, it definitely makes that akward tinge crawl up your spine [2014-09-13 18:40:12] DrunkenDraconian: I love the game, just that scene [2014-09-13 18:40:30] DrunkenDraconian: in my firs playthrough i dies to ultros and had to do it twice [2014-09-13 18:41:13] SnesWarrior: lol, yea, i never cared for it in any playthrough really. i always just like closed my eyes and mashed, and then sat the controller down and did something else [2014-09-13 18:41:31] SnesWarrior: I didn't care for a lot of characters stories a whole bunch [2014-09-13 18:41:42] SnesWarrior: mainly locke and celes actually [2014-09-13 18:42:05] DrunkenDraconian: a couple of times when MV prodouced the scene it was funny [2014-09-13 18:42:30] DrunkenDraconian: but musicly he's awesome [2014-09-13 18:43:08] SnesWarrior: yeah, for sure, i've watched him make a whole song tributed to ff6... and then he accidentalyl deleted it like 2-3 hours into making it [2014-09-13 18:43:23] SnesWarrior: remade it again, and it was even better [2014-09-13 18:44:28] SnesWarrior: fish minigame > opera tho [2014-09-13 18:44:39] DrunkenDraconian: yup [2014-09-13 18:45:12] SnesWarrior: I remember when first finding out about speedrunning just tuning into ff6 runs to see the fish troll haha [2014-09-13 18:45:57] ElGranJerry: twitch is buffering again omg [2014-09-13 18:46:08] ElGranJerry: not like last night :( [2014-09-13 18:47:48] SnesWarrior: last night was bad, it locked up everywhere [2014-09-13 20:14:52] Ottavino: so when is the race? [2014-09-13 20:17:09] SnesWarrior: I think it's just you and me, so whenever, wanna aim for 30m after relay officially ends? [2014-09-13 20:17:22] SnesWarrior: I wanna stretch out a little before sitting back down for 2 hours =) [2014-09-13 20:17:41] Ottavino: ok [2014-09-13 20:18:24] Ottavino: np, i just woke up, need some time too [2014-09-13 20:30:39] DrunkenDraconian: gl racing guys, next time [2014-09-13 20:30:56] DrunkenDraconian: sleep mode engage [2014-09-13 20:31:13] SnesWarrior: lol, thx man, g'night [2014-09-13 20:31:30] Ottavino: good night [2014-09-13 20:33:13] ElGranJerry: gnight [2014-09-13 20:38:43] Ottavino: end of time or magus? [2014-09-13 20:40:54] SnesWarrior: Got time for magus? [2014-09-13 20:41:14] Ottavino: yeah [2014-09-13 20:41:32] SnesWarrior: kk, we'll go for that, and ill cross my fingers i dont get interrupted [2014-09-13 20:41:49] SnesWarrior: i shouldn't, its 11pm, i'ma be mad if somethin happens [2014-09-13 20:55:29] ElGranJerry: hype! [2014-09-13 20:59:14] SnesWarrior: I'm going to "attempt" to use splits against my better judgement [2014-09-13 20:59:23] SnesWarrior: probably will forget half of them [2014-09-13 21:03:09] Ottavino: are you registered on speedrunslive? [2014-09-13 21:03:37] SnesWarrior: i just registered my nick on there, but i have no clue how to go about doing any of the commands or anything X_X [2014-09-13 21:04:15] ElGranJerry: .startrace chronotrigger [2014-09-13 21:04:19] ElGranJerry: .setgoal Defeat magus [2014-09-13 21:04:20] ElGranJerry: .enter [2014-09-13 21:04:22] ElGranJerry: .ready [2014-09-13 21:04:24] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-13 21:04:48] SnesWarrior: .enter chronotrigger ? i guess [2014-09-13 21:05:00] SnesWarrior: if i was to join [2014-09-13 21:05:05] SnesWarrior: instead of create [2014-09-13 21:05:08] ElGranJerry: just double click on the channel [2014-09-13 21:05:37] ElGranJerry: .setstream www.twitch.tv/snes... [2014-09-13 21:05:43] ElGranJerry: most important one [2014-09-13 21:06:04] Ottavino: room created [2014-09-13 21:06:30] SnesWarrior: k im in the room, so what commands do we need, (still need 2m to set up splits) [2014-09-13 21:08:03] ElGranJerry: .enter [2014-09-13 21:08:05] ElGranJerry: .setstream [2014-09-13 21:08:11] ElGranJerry: type .ready when ready [2014-09-13 21:08:25] SnesWarrior: kk [2014-09-13 21:15:06] SnesWarrior: k so when i hit .ready i guess we start right as we type it right? so start timer and go? [2014-09-13 21:15:29] Ottavino: there is a 10 sec countdown [2014-09-13 21:15:34] SnesWarrior: oo ok [2014-09-13 21:49:32] ElGranJerry: let me know here who wins :) [2014-09-13 23:22:06] SnesWarrior: Ottavino pulled ahead at the end! QQ [2014-09-13 23:22:19] SnesWarrior: Was really fun though, the axiety was real [2014-09-13 23:22:20] SnesWarrior: haha [2014-09-13 23:22:24] Ottavino: it was very close [2014-09-13 23:22:27] Ottavino: pfiu [2014-09-13 23:22:48] SnesWarrior: I need to go back and watch your run, i didnt wanna make myself more nervous by comparison [2014-09-13 23:22:51] SnesWarrior: hehe [2014-09-13 23:24:28] SnesWarrior: What'd you do on Nizbel to lose rng if i may ask? [2014-09-13 23:24:45] Ottavino: i messed up my load before -65m [2014-09-13 23:25:03] SnesWarrior: ooo, and you just went with it and it came back to you in the castle? O.o [2014-09-13 23:25:09] Ottavino: i think i was too early, because i recover it in the rat battle at magic cave [2014-09-13 23:25:20] SnesWarrior: i see [2014-09-13 23:25:34] Ottavino: i wanted to save/load before magus castle [2014-09-13 23:25:55] Ottavino: the rat gave me the good damage, so i went for it [2014-09-13 23:26:00] SnesWarrior: niice [2014-09-13 23:26:19] SnesWarrior: i took ozzies 1/6 chance and it looked like even with the mistake i might've gotten sub 2 [2014-09-13 23:26:30] SnesWarrior: but after the initial lightning, he gave me 5 fires in a row X_X [2014-09-13 23:26:37] Ottavino: o_O [2014-09-13 23:26:44] SnesWarrior: so i had to reset. then 10s later is when you finished [2014-09-13 23:26:47] Ottavino: that's very unlucky [2014-09-13 23:26:49] SnesWarrior: so it was indeed reaally close ^^ [2014-09-13 23:27:14] SnesWarrior: its 1:30am and i'm wide awake now [2014-09-13 23:27:32] SnesWarrior: Thank you for participating in my very first race =D [2014-09-13 23:27:48] Ottavino: you're welcome, it was fun! [2014-09-13 23:28:14] Ottavino: i think we did a mistake with srl, i don't know if the race will be recorded [2014-09-13 23:28:37] SnesWarrior: oh? do you know what we missed? [2014-09-13 23:28:58] Ottavino: i think we need to wait for an admin after the race to record it [2014-09-13 23:29:06] SnesWarrior: =X woooops [2014-09-13 23:29:27] SnesWarrior: oh well, tbh, I wasn't even for sure if we were gonna use SRL, i just made an acct this morning [2014-09-13 23:29:38] SnesWarrior: We'll just have to make sure to remember next time [2014-09-13 23:29:41] Ottavino: yeah [2014-09-13 23:29:47] Ottavino: smoke break, brb [2014-09-13 23:29:49] SnesWarrior: kk [2014-09-13 23:29:52] SnesWarrior: same [2014-09-13 23:36:42] SnesWarrior: hmm is our # channel we were in still up? if it is there is a chance its recorded, or that the admin may have not canceled out of it. [2014-09-13 23:36:56] SnesWarrior: do you have the vod on your stream at least? [2014-09-13 23:37:07] Ottavino: yeah [2014-09-13 23:37:18] SnesWarrior: k, i wanna at least check it out [2014-09-13 23:37:25] Ottavino: i have the vod, but channel isn't up [2014-09-13 23:37:42] SnesWarrior: ah, we might be boned then [2014-09-13 23:38:00] SnesWarrior: well.. then again, it did let us set the comments *shrug* [2014-09-13 23:44:33] Ottavino: i left a pm to an admin, we'll see [2014-09-13 23:44:44] SnesWarrior: awesome [2014-09-13 23:45:34] SnesWarrior: man.. I can't get over how it was almost sub 2 even with my crappy Yakra, I accidentally cycloned 2 roly's instead of all 3 because i was trying to be a super saiyan in the menu's [2014-09-13 23:46:18] SnesWarrior: We'll have to another race next week, maybe after the CT bonus stream (i think that's the game that go picked) [2014-09-13 23:46:27] SnesWarrior: got* [2014-09-13 23:47:39] Ottavino: if schedule for CT bonus stream is good for me, i might be replacing elmagus [2014-09-13 23:47:54] SnesWarrior: ooo, awesome! [2014-09-13 23:48:28] Ottavino: need to re-work lavos shell fight, didn't practice it since my run [2014-09-13 23:48:40] SnesWarrior: (although elmagus was my favorite of the 4 current runners) [2014-09-13 23:49:57] Ottavino: he didn't practice ct too much, i think only obda will try the new route [2014-09-13 23:50:34] SnesWarrior: Yeah, im pretty solid at lavos shell if I make it past tyranno w/o any mistakes. I made a new Retninite from the different last regular enemy fight in sunken desert I tol'd you about. It's a lot tighter, but it saves 5 seconds, and the only menuing you have to do is mid ether Ayla, I'll send you a file of it later for ya to check out [2014-09-13 23:50:50] SnesWarrior: So Ret is what my biggest issue is atm [2014-09-13 23:51:43] Ottavino: and after ret you get the good window 0d-2e? [2014-09-13 23:51:47] SnesWarrior: It will be interesting watching Obda just for the fact he hasn't got much experience with the new route, I wish him luck [2014-09-13 23:52:24] SnesWarrior: Yes, but its harder to get that window, because if you follow the natural flow of battle, Crono will have his Spincut for the Core kill, but he will miss [2014-09-13 23:52:55] SnesWarrior: So I figured out, I could not heal Marle, let her die to Sand cyclone, and make crono revive her instead, and let Ayla get the kill, and that gives the correct window luckily [2014-09-13 23:53:22] SnesWarrior: so you literally keep her dead for the whole fight until you kill the core (excluding the two Ice's of course) [2014-09-13 23:54:12] Ottavino: ok, in my ret, i don't need to heal anyone, chrono get cycloned and marle get absorbed twice but they survive [2014-09-13 23:55:04] SnesWarrior: oh, by heal i meant before the fight begins [2014-09-14 8:04:17] DrunkenDraconian: so what song do you think triggered the VOD mute, warrior? Twitch is kinda silly [2014-09-14 8:05:06] Ottavino: he started to sing on his stream Kappa [2014-09-14 8:06:53] Ottavino: it's weird, we have same audio and only he got muted, he and i think there is a default in their audio detect software [2014-09-14 9:25:38] ElGranJerry: The software is really silly :/ [2014-09-14 9:25:48] ElGranJerry: Lots of mistakes [2014-09-14 9:29:08] ElGranJerry: so if the rat in Magic Cave hits you for 19 you are on the right RNG? [2014-09-14 9:30:04] ElGranJerry: or is the 23 from the 2nd rat the way you know? [2014-09-14 9:30:40] Ottavino: 19 and 23 i was sure [2014-09-14 9:31:26] Ottavino: I dont know if there is another windows giving 19 as first hit [2014-09-14 9:32:19] ElGranJerry: okok, coo [2014-09-14 9:32:20] ElGranJerry: l [2014-09-14 11:51:54] SnesWarrior: Morning peeps (or afternoon really) [2014-09-14 11:52:41] SnesWarrior: And I dunno Draco, their auto dectect stuff is bunk. I think I even got part of my brawl stream setup practice muted for awhile. [2014-09-14 11:53:19] SnesWarrior: I like how the other week when I did practice and played an entire list of youtube music on stream it didn't get muted tho =P But y'know don't play game music, that'll get muted =P [2014-09-14 11:59:29] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, for practice streams i really want to play music, I'm just so unsure of the actual rules/penalties [2014-09-14 12:00:30] SnesWarrior: remixes of game music, and game music shouldn't get muted. I'm not sure about actual "artist" music [2014-09-14 12:01:05] DrunkenDraconian: i do have almost 10 gigs of VG music [2014-09-14 12:01:15] SnesWarrior: daayum [2014-09-14 12:01:23] SnesWarrior: yea, all that should be cool [2014-09-14 12:01:43] DrunkenDraconian: i think you need to display the title and artist name tho [2014-09-14 12:02:48] SnesWarrior: Possibly, I tried to find out how to rig a player to detect my youtube playlist and show it, but didn't look to hard. Think i'll just download it all next time and capture the vlc player window or something [2014-09-14 12:03:13] DrunkenDraconian: fukk'n winamp [2014-09-14 12:05:48] SnesWarrior: *googles winamp* "It really whips the llama's ass!", welp, thats all I need to know [2014-09-14 12:05:51] SnesWarrior: lo [2014-09-14 12:06:22] DrunkenDraconian: hah yuuup [2014-09-14 12:30:09] DrunkenDraconian: omg that r-series fight :P [2014-09-14 12:30:28] SnesWarrior: dang, i missed it, what happened? [2014-09-14 12:30:43] DrunkenDraconian: chrono at 2 hp lucca at 4 [2014-09-14 12:30:44] Ottavino: chrono 2 hp, lucca 4 hp [2014-09-14 12:30:49] SnesWarrior: haha [2014-09-14 12:30:58] Ottavino: he is copying your strat [2014-09-14 12:31:06] SnesWarrior: rofl! yea pretty much [2014-09-14 12:31:52] SnesWarrior: You should watch my r-series draco QQ, 2hp Crono, and then they hit Lucca 3-4 times, thankfully [2014-09-14 12:32:11] SnesWarrior: I was almost sure it was gonna die there [2014-09-14 12:33:20] DrunkenDraconian: 4th scarriest fight in active ATB [2014-09-14 12:34:31] Ottavino: in active atb i think i would use a berserker strat to do this fight more safer [2014-09-14 12:35:56] DrunkenDraconian: I'm not aware of that strat, berserker on marle? [2014-09-14 12:36:10] Ottavino: on chrono [2014-09-14 12:37:06] Ottavino: it should be a little longer, but if you can get criticals it one hit kill [2014-09-14 12:37:53] SnesWarrior: Would unequipping Crono increase fire whirl damage? It wouldn't right? Its based off his STR? [2014-09-14 12:38:13] Ottavino: unequip only increase magic [2014-09-14 12:38:39] Ottavino: in the fire whirl formula, it's chrono attack which counts [2014-09-14 12:38:53] SnesWarrior: ok, thats what I thought, just making for sure. [2014-09-14 12:39:17] Ottavino: if you want formulas: http://www.gamefaqs.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/14148 [2014-09-14 12:40:09] SnesWarrior: Nice, i'll favorite that [2014-09-14 12:40:16] Ottavino: it misses the dino tail and frog squash formulas, based on difference between current hp and hp max, and on stamina [2014-09-14 12:41:30] DrunkenDraconian: i found a cool spreadsheet that lets you put stats and shows app damage for each tech [2014-09-14 12:56:02] Ottavino: race after obda's stream? [2014-09-14 13:00:30] DrunkenDraconian: I have a sit down dinner in a few hours [2014-09-14 13:05:56] Ottavino: lol i didn't think of doing the fadeout on the right for melchior cutscene [2014-09-14 13:06:33] DrunkenDraconian: yeah,it got past a bunch of people [2014-09-14 13:06:38] DrunkenDraconian: me included [2014-09-14 13:07:10] DrunkenDraconian: warrior brought it up to me iirc [2014-09-14 13:11:52] Ottavino: everyday is a 3 sec save [2014-09-14 13:12:02] Ottavino: each day* [2014-09-14 13:12:12] DrunkenDraconian: sub 3 hype [2014-09-14 13:12:14] Ottavino: in two months sub 3 [2014-09-14 13:13:08] Ottavino: i need to see if getting the doomfinger for robo is worth it [2014-09-14 13:15:35] DrunkenDraconian: too bad spincut's not learned by then, ditch robo and use firesword/icesword [2014-09-14 13:17:16] Ottavino: yeah 59 more tp [2014-09-14 13:17:35] Ottavino: in a 100% all boss where do you get spincut? [2014-09-14 13:18:55] DrunkenDraconian: rgiht after magus's tp... i think... before nizbel 2 for sure [2014-09-14 13:19:04] SnesWarrior: Did obda just do a backup strat by letting the enemies hit him several times in the first fight with rocket roll??? O.o [2014-09-14 13:20:25] Ottavino: his rng was messed up, i didn't see this fight, just saw reseting before flea [2014-09-14 13:21:30] Ottavino: maybe with an extra battle you can learn spincut before magus and have a quicker fight [2014-09-14 13:22:40] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I'll be heading back to that as a break from any% every once in a while [2014-09-14 13:24:22] Redslash: The bats before Magus' room are good, line them up and slash, 12tp [2014-09-14 13:25:55] Redslash: Also, pretty cool race last night guys, I'm watching through it now : ) [2014-09-14 13:26:38] Ottavino: yeah it was very close, before ozzie travis was 8 sec ahead [2014-09-14 13:27:33] SnesWarrior: thanks lol, you should watch the first half of my run and the last half of otta's if you watch it that way it looks like a good run, xD [2014-09-14 13:27:50] SnesWarrior: And skip both of our sections to Yakra =P [2014-09-14 13:28:49] DrunkenDraconian: hah [2014-09-14 13:30:58] Redslash: Well, I'm kinda watching backwards, I started at the end, ha ha [2014-09-14 13:31:42] SnesWarrior: I tried to yolo magus at the end cause I knew Otta had to have been right on my tail. Then he gave me 5 fires in a row, such a nice guy >< [2014-09-14 13:33:08] Ottavino: "Play with fire and you will get burned" ~ Magus [2014-09-14 13:33:19] SnesWarrior: haha [2014-09-14 13:34:22] Redslash: Lol! true... [2014-09-14 13:35:05] DrunkenDraconian: wait no speed belt for robo in current magus strat? [2014-09-14 13:35:12] ElGranJerry: nop [2014-09-14 13:35:23] SnesWarrior: Pwr Glove, I believe [2014-09-14 13:35:38] ElGranJerry: and no powerscarf for frog either [2014-09-14 13:36:13] Ottavino: you may be right dd, he's using the old setups, i don't know if they work without speedbelt [2014-09-14 13:40:19] Redslash: So I notice you have to be careful with the Groupies, and not beat them too fast.. [2014-09-14 13:40:39] Ottavino: the first of the 3 fights? [2014-09-14 13:41:40] Redslash: Yeah, you can often kill them on 5f/60, when you need 61+ [2014-09-14 13:41:48] Ottavino: yes [2014-09-14 13:41:53] Ottavino: it's a tricky battle [2014-09-14 13:42:57] Redslash: But you can't just wait at the end when 1 Outlaw is left, a Groupie needs to live long enough [2014-09-14 13:43:52] Ottavino: with my slash, slurp cut, slurp cut, slash strat i think i'm at 63 at the end [2014-09-14 13:47:09 | Edited 13:47:17] Redslash: Ah that works. Delaying Crono's first Slash until Marle's ready seems good, but maybe not 100% of the time [2014-09-14 13:49:16] Ottavino: oh we need to decide when stop the timer for any% and 100% [2014-09-14 13:49:40] ElGranJerry: last input? [2014-09-14 13:50:26] DrunkenDraconian: last input seems frantic [2014-09-14 13:50:32] Ottavino: that's what i do, but i know Jiseed stops when last bit dies [2014-09-14 13:50:46] ElGranJerry: that can be bad because sometimes it takes longer right? [2014-09-14 13:54:31] Redslash: The end of the elixir animation, imo [2014-09-14 13:55:03] DrunkenDraconian: 000s [2014-09-14 13:55:19] Redslash: Well, hm. I mean the sparkly things [2014-09-14 13:55:31] Ottavino: if you do 100% the old way, there is no elixir [2014-09-14 13:55:50] Redslash: Oh yeah, true [2014-09-14 13:56:02] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, i stop timer when he starts to disintegrate [2014-09-14 13:56:45] Redslash: I guess so. It's like splitting when a boss does the flash thing [2014-09-14 13:58:18] Redslash: Alright, well I'm swayed, I didn't expect to be. I liked the old way, ha ha [2014-09-14 13:59:53] Redslash: +12 seconds tho... [2014-09-14 13:59:58] Ottavino: yeah [2014-09-14 14:00:33] DrunkenDraconian: that's only 4 days worth Otta :P [2014-09-14 14:01:42] Ottavino: i think i timed at last input because popular games like oot or super mario bros do that [2014-09-14 14:03:00] Nihil922: i always stoped my timer at last input as well, but waiting for the boss to disintegrate seems like a easier time to stop [2014-09-14 14:04:16] ElGranJerry: I waited for it to disintegrate because I really didn't know. But I guess last input doesn't make sense for CT now that I see it [2014-09-14 14:04:25] ElGranJerry: Because Omega Flare has a super long animation and no inputs [2014-09-14 14:04:33] ElGranJerry: or you can do any other long attack [2014-09-14 14:04:59] Ottavino: maybe we can launch a survey on chrono.wikidot.com? [2014-09-14 14:06:20] Redslash: Yeah, now that I think about it, that 12 seconds is going to feel very long, when beating a pb is gonna be close... X) [2014-09-14 14:06:34] Redslash: And if it's a variable time... even worse, lol [2014-09-14 14:06:46] SnesWarrior: Yeah, im kinda iffy either way atm. [2014-09-14 14:07:23] ElGranJerry: Since now we are going to Elixir glitch I think last input might be a thing? But it will not be consistent with No Save & Quit etc where you cant really set it up? [2014-09-14 14:07:32] Ottavino: personaly, it's a speedrun so i'm for last input [2014-09-14 14:08:00] DrunkenDraconian: I can see numbers being a compromise. The attack/elixir animation is done and you don't need to wait for all 3 to dissolve [2014-09-14 14:08:57] DrunkenDraconian: i'm easy either way though [2014-09-14 14:09:03] Redslash: Ah, I counted to the 1st one starting to dissolve, that's 12 seconds [2014-09-14 14:09:26] ElGranJerry: My only concern is that it needs to be consistent if you Elixir, or if you omega flare, or if you slash, frog squash, etc.. [2014-09-14 14:10:18] Redslash: Hmm... [2014-09-14 14:10:40] DrunkenDraconian: no s&q isn't a "real" format as of yet anyway [2014-09-14 14:10:53] DrunkenDraconian: i could see last input because both end in elixir now [2014-09-14 14:10:55] Ottavino: you need a lot of tp for frog squash :) [2014-09-14 14:10:58] ElGranJerry: true.. but All Endings? [2014-09-14 14:11:17] ElGranJerry: yeah Ottavino I know. But I <3 Frog Squash [2014-09-14 14:11:28] ElGranJerry: My casual playthroughs always get it [2014-09-14 14:12:19] SnesWarrior: Hm, ok, so how about this, IF its an elixir glitch category, time at last input, if its any other tech, time at bit death? [2014-09-14 14:12:51] ElGranJerry: I think its better if it's consistent for all categories, imo [2014-09-14 14:12:52] DrunkenDraconian: that's where i think it was going to end up warrior [2014-09-14 14:13:00] Redslash: That's what was just thinking, I feel that elixir glitch is an exception... [2014-09-14 14:14:13] Ottavino: new game+ runners starts timing when chrono gets out of bed [2014-09-14 14:14:44] DrunkenDraconian: zeldo hilariousness [2014-09-14 14:14:55] Ottavino: i never understand why... [2014-09-14 14:14:55] Ottavino: stood* [2014-09-14 14:15:02] Ottavino: yeah [2014-09-14 14:15:06] DrunkenDraconian: first input is at the least atb selection [2014-09-14 14:15:14] Ottavino: gain control of character [2014-09-14 14:15:35] DrunkenDraconian: if not at the pendulum [2014-09-14 14:15:39] SnesWarrior: I find that weird.... considering you still have to mash text before that even happens [2014-09-14 14:15:52] SnesWarrior: I guess if you are going by character control.. then yea. It kinda makes sense [2014-09-14 14:15:55] Ottavino: and you have to rename chrono to one character [2014-09-14 14:17:03] ElGranJerry: I think we should do a poll with all CT runners and let majority decide [2014-09-14 14:17:32] Ottavino: agree [2014-09-14 14:17:40] SnesWarrior: Sounds like a plan [2014-09-14 14:17:46] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2014-09-14 14:18:05] SnesWarrior: Well, im out, gonna go grab some supper for the family. See you all on the flip side! [2014-09-14 14:18:26] ElGranJerry: cya man, enjoy your meal [2014-09-14 14:18:36] Redslash: Later dude [2014-09-14 14:18:39] Ottavino: ++ [2014-09-14 14:19:14] SnesWarrior: Oh I will, Mushroon and Swiss burger from DQ *kreygasm* [2014-09-14 14:19:19] SnesWarrior: peace [2014-09-14 14:20:58] Redslash: Were we discussing timer start as well? [2014-09-14 14:21:16] ElGranJerry: I believe timer start is fine [2014-09-14 14:21:20] Ottavino: same [2014-09-14 14:21:28] ElGranJerry: Start is considered an input [2014-09-14 14:22:19] Redslash: I think Kilaye still begins on reset, and I notice some people going on the atb screen [2014-09-14 14:23:10] Redslash: But there's only a couple seconds difference there, not nearly so big a deal as timer end [2014-09-14 14:23:16] ElGranJerry: Never checked that [2014-09-14 14:23:27] ElGranJerry: well like 2s from start to wait [2014-09-14 14:23:39] ElGranJerry: I feel it should be from start [2014-09-14 14:23:49] Redslash: Like, from title screen? [2014-09-14 14:23:56] ElGranJerry: yes [2014-09-14 14:24:08] ElGranJerry: or from file select if you use that [2014-09-14 14:24:15] ElGranJerry: first input [2014-09-14 14:24:22] Redslash: Did you know you can hold A and pass through the title screen on the first possible frame? [2014-09-14 14:24:42] Ottavino: yes [2014-09-14 14:24:49] ElGranJerry: well when you hear the pass through the title screen is starts [2014-09-14 14:25:16] Ottavino: holding A is the key in this game [2014-09-14 14:25:25] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-09-14 14:25:41] Redslash: Hm. I'm also thinking, when it comes to retiming a run afterwards, what would be the best indicator... title screen isn't so great for that... [2014-09-14 14:26:34] Ottavino: if you retime, when screen goes black? [2014-09-14 14:28:17] Redslash: I think you're right, that sounds good [2014-09-14 14:28:32] Ottavino: screen goes black 18 frames after pressing A [2014-09-14 14:29:12] Redslash: Lol, I only now noticed why J title screen is 50 frames faster.. there's no text in the lower right (Chrono Trigger TM C 1995 Square blah blah) [2014-09-14 14:29:39] Redslash: I never noticed there wasn't text [2014-09-14 14:29:50] Ottavino: lol you're right [2014-09-14 14:30:11] Ottavino: ah obda is attacking boss rush [2014-09-14 14:30:29] Ottavino: in 15 min, most stressful fight in the run, hype: [2014-09-14 14:36:33] Redslash: I wish I still had the recording of my first run, heh. [2014-09-14 14:37:32] Redslash: Back when the route was entirely Obda's, and we did the Grind. I'm getting pretty nostalgic about that, lol... [2014-09-14 14:41:23] Ottavino: he is on bs1? [2014-09-14 14:41:47] DrunkenDraconian: not sure [2014-09-14 14:42:23] DrunkenDraconian: close one [2014-09-14 14:42:49] DrunkenDraconian: shell is going to be interesting now [2014-09-14 14:45:31] Redslash: Whew [2014-09-14 14:46:02] Ottavino: it's not the right eng [2014-09-14 14:46:04] Ottavino: rng [2014-09-14 14:46:11] ElGranJerry: oh boy [2014-09-14 14:48:03] Redslash: The danger of not recovering Marle's mp.... [2014-09-14 14:49:48] Redslash: Not sure why he didn't haste though :'( [2014-09-14 14:51:53] Redslash: Holy shit [2014-09-14 14:51:59] DrunkenDraconian: lol [2014-09-14 14:52:05] ElGranJerry: wow [2014-09-14 14:52:11] SnesWarrior: i cannot even believe he did that [2014-09-14 14:52:12] Nihil922: haha, that fight was great [2014-09-14 14:52:37] SnesWarrior: i need to screw up that fight on purpose just to practice the unscripted backup O.O [2014-09-14 14:53:01] Redslash: Totally [2014-09-14 14:53:02] ElGranJerry: omg I gtg [2014-09-14 14:53:05] Ottavino: if you know lavos pattern it's easier [2014-09-14 14:54:17] Ottavino: (destrucction, chaos, spin, destruction, earthquake, spin, destruction, spin, destruction) [2014-09-14 14:55:23] ElGranJerry: that picnic [2014-09-14 14:55:51] DrunkenDraconian: that's Canadian internet for ya, everywhere but Halifax is ike that [2014-09-14 14:57:37] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-14 14:57:43] ElGranJerry: well i gotta run now, cya :) [2014-09-14 14:57:51] DrunkenDraconian: me too, lata [2014-09-14 14:58:06] SnesWarrior: adios! [2014-09-14 14:58:12] Redslash: Later guys : ) [2014-09-14 14:58:15] Ottavino: cya! [2014-09-14 15:51:01] Redslash: If you just wait for the Outlaw's ninja star before slashing the 2nd Groupie, you're good [2014-09-15 17:28:43] ElGranJerry: what's the load for the reverse TC skip? [2014-09-15 17:28:46] ElGranJerry: I keep forgetting [2014-09-15 17:29:16] Ottavino: 1d-32 [2014-09-15 17:30:27] Redslash: As close to 1/2 second as you can get [2014-09-15 17:30:37] ElGranJerry: oook, cool [2014-09-15 17:30:50] ElGranJerry: thks [2014-09-15 17:30:57] ElGranJerry: will do it on my run [2014-09-15 17:36:14] Redslash: I'm sad there's no possible load before Golem.. [2014-09-15 17:36:43] ElGranJerry: :( [2014-09-15 17:37:48 | Edited 17:39:19] Redslash: But it seems if you're "slow" on Tyrano (from using BS 1), you can either run from the TC bird fight or an extra Desert fight, and you'll be on track [2014-09-15 17:38:26] Redslash: It's slow, but might be nice to investigate. Dunno yet : ) [2014-09-15 17:43:55] Redslash: I mean, still getting the single firebreath and everything. But extra fight makes it iffy [2014-09-15 17:47:15] Ottavino: there is a load before Golem :) [2014-09-15 17:47:33] Ottavino: just tested it, it works [2014-09-15 17:47:52] Ottavino: 6x [2014-09-15 17:47:57] Ottavino: it gives A5 [2014-09-15 17:48:46] Ottavino: but you need to success truce canyon skip [2014-09-15 17:48:58] Redslash: Mm, isn't A5 his initial value? I think the fight ends around AD... [2014-09-15 17:49:08] Ottavino: AD i mean [2014-09-15 17:49:30] Redslash: And I believe AD is too far... [2014-09-15 17:49:43] Ottavino: but with the same strat in sunken desert, you recover at the 3rd fight [2014-09-15 17:50:30] Redslash: Ah-ha, I didn't go that much in depth : ) [2014-09-15 17:51:21] Ottavino: just wait the mehavior to miss before doing rollo kick with ayla in the first fight [2014-09-15 17:53:07] ElGranJerry: Does it save time? Because it's an extra menu to load before golem [2014-09-15 17:53:12] ElGranJerry: and you need to shelter before sd [2014-09-15 17:54:04] Ottavino: i don't think so [2014-09-15 17:54:23] Ottavino: but it can be a backup strat if you load too late at sunken desert [2014-09-15 17:54:57] Ottavino: if 1st spincut doing 592 instead of 589, wait for the mohavior to miss [2014-09-15 17:55:24] ElGranJerry: oooh, that's cool [2014-09-15 17:57:23] Redslash: Yeah, loading before Golem is slightly slower, but... the window is also much bigger~ [2014-09-15 17:57:41] Redslash: Oh let's see [2014-09-15 17:57:57] ElGranJerry: Will add that to the route then, If 592 wait for Mohavor miss [2014-09-15 17:58:20] Redslash: Yeah 99-b8 is pretty nice actually... [2014-09-15 17:59:12] Ottavino: in ab-b8, it seems harder to not getting hit by the hexapod [2014-09-15 18:00:30] Ottavino: i changed a little the 3rd fight, it's now: wait for cyclone, spincut, cat attack, cat attack [2014-09-15 18:00:48] Ottavino: saves 15 frames, but much safer [2014-09-15 18:02:18] Ottavino: there is two strats for the 4th one: mine or sneswarrior's: cat attack (quickly the default enemy), cat attack (switch to right enemy), spincut (during cat attack animation) [2014-09-15 18:02:50] Ottavino: sneswarrior's one is quicker but harder [2014-09-15 18:04:02] ElGranJerry: ooh, that looks like a close window [2014-09-15 20:13:24] Redslash: Heh, just noticed that the midpoints of the 5 loads we use (beyond 0D) are 0.7 seconds apart... counting from the title screen: 2.1, 2.8, 3.5, 4.2, 4.9 [2014-09-16 17:00:23] ElGranJerry: what's the damage you get on the last Ozzie lever if you are on the correct RNG? [2014-09-16 17:14:24] Redslash: I've got 119 [2014-09-16 17:15:26] Redslash: I'll check the other strings too, though.. [2014-09-16 17:16:04] ElGranJerry: yeah 119. I just wanted to know like if you have a messed up RNG if that 119 means you will get a good Magus [2014-09-16 17:56:14] Redslash: Yep, confirmed. [2014-09-16 17:58:19] ElGranJerry: cool! thks. [2014-09-16 17:59:41] ElGranJerry: Also if anyone wants to change the route I can give you permission if you give me your gmail account. I set it to view only now since some random stuff I had on my Drive got modified by some clown [2014-09-16 18:00:03] DrunkenDraconian: oh jeez [2014-09-16 18:00:23] DrunkenDraconian: i don't have a gmail [2014-09-16 18:01:01] ElGranJerry: DD :( [2014-09-16 18:01:39] DrunkenDraconian: I do have an unlinked youtube account Kappa [2014-09-16 18:02:19] ElGranJerry: I really don't know how this works, I am assuming it's gmail because its google drive [2014-09-16 18:06:33] Redslash: Actually, I don't think it has to be gmail [2014-09-16 18:06:50] ElGranJerry: yeah I am just noticing [2014-09-16 18:07:12] ElGranJerry: I'll add the emails you use for skype [2014-09-16 18:08:10] DrunkenDraconian: I'm helping / best edit [2014-09-16 18:08:11] Redslash: You still might be prompted to sign up though, I'm not completely sure [2014-09-16 18:10:12] ElGranJerry: hmm idk where to find those lmao [2014-09-16 18:11:16] Redslash: Oh, they may not be visible. I'm stlafreniere@gmail [2014-09-16 18:12:31] ElGranJerry: added [2014-09-16 18:13:28] Redslash: ty good sir [2014-09-16 18:13:51] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-16 18:19:30] ElGranJerry: I've been meaning to do a run since friday but I haven't found the time :( [2014-09-16 18:21:11] DrunkenDraconian: I've been distracted as well [2014-09-16 18:23:52] Redslash: I'm so close to being caught up on the English route. This desert though, lol [2014-09-16 18:25:26] ElGranJerry: hehe [2014-09-16 18:26:30] Redslash: And my mind wanders back to Japanese (and Lavos Shell Skip) too much [2014-09-16 18:27:20] DrunkenDraconian: lavos shell skip in rta WILL happen [2014-09-16 18:29:31] Redslash: Yeah... it will happen in Japanese, actually =) [2014-09-16 18:29:49] Redslash: You know much about the skip? Doing that slide and stuff? [2014-09-16 18:30:14] DrunkenDraconian: not much at all, only the basics [2014-09-16 18:30:43] DrunkenDraconian: well whever one was in the english tas [2014-09-16 18:31:02] DrunkenDraconian: i know nothing about japanese CT [2014-09-16 18:31:07] Redslash: Well there's the thing where you make Robo (or whoever) slide, to put him farther away so you have time to get through the text box [2014-09-16 18:31:20] Redslash: Text is short enough in J so you don't have to slide though, hehe [2014-09-16 18:32:40] DrunkenDraconian: oh wierd, yeah you need the right textboxs so your angle is different when openiong character menu right? [2014-09-16 18:33:09] Redslash: Yeah, that's right [2014-09-16 18:33:59] DrunkenDraconian: it seems very frustrating to get [2014-09-16 18:34:16] DrunkenDraconian: better for segmented [2014-09-16 18:34:30] ElGranJerry: ^^ [2014-09-16 18:34:51] Redslash: But when you're going through those textboxes at the bucket, they're each on a 4-frame cycle, and it makes it *random* whether you even get a chance at the trick or not [2014-09-16 18:36:11] DrunkenDraconian: so what is it about the character selelct menu that is so different from the other menu? [2014-09-16 18:36:32] Redslash: The first input is 3/4, the next 2 inputs are both 1/4, then the last one is an 8 frame window [2014-09-16 18:36:44] DrunkenDraconian: could there be places where fadeout would be better with y menu? [2014-09-16 18:36:45] Redslash: Oh, you're actually switching characters, to gain back control of Crono [2014-09-16 18:37:25] DrunkenDraconian: oh right [2014-09-16 18:37:32] DrunkenDraconian: same as atropose skip [2014-09-16 18:39:15] DrunkenDraconian: but for other parts of the run.., like to skip the old man heading to guardian or something [2014-09-16 18:42:16] Redslash: Oh huh, I'm not really sure... [2014-09-16 18:42:37] Redslash: Well, I guess it'd have to be after EoT though [2014-09-16 18:42:57] DrunkenDraconian: just thinking out loud [2014-09-16 18:43:04] DrunkenDraconian: yeah i just realized that [2014-09-16 18:43:11] ElGranJerry: hmm [2014-09-16 18:43:40] ElGranJerry: has anyone tried to fadeout slash? [2014-09-16 18:46:37] Redslash: I would say yes... I know Obda was very thorough looking for fadeouts for any%, I think the only thing he missed was the Melchior text skip, which Kilaye found [2014-09-16 18:47:05] ElGranJerry: like ottavino seeing you could fadeout terra mutant [2014-09-16 18:47:27] ElGranJerry: but yeah, I guess not that many for any% [2014-09-16 18:50:37] Redslash: We would even fadeout the first visit to the knight captain on Zenan bridge, but that turned out to be slower, lol [2014-09-16 18:51:09] ElGranJerry: For 100% you can fadeout powering up the pendant [2014-09-16 18:52:58] Redslash: (Actually, with start+B, maybe it could save frames...) [2014-09-16 18:53:09] Redslash: That's interesting, why is it different in 100%? [2014-09-16 18:53:25] ElGranJerry: oh, you do it in any% [2014-09-16 18:53:28] ElGranJerry: lmao [2014-09-16 18:53:34] ElGranJerry: I tried it out like 3-4 months ago [2014-09-16 18:53:41] ElGranJerry: it does save time [2014-09-16 18:53:48] ElGranJerry: I remember timing it to 2s [2014-09-16 18:53:59] ElGranJerry: iirc [2014-09-16 18:54:03] Redslash: Whoa... dang, let's see... [2014-09-16 18:57:34] ElGranJerry: idk why I stopped doing it lol [2014-09-16 18:59:31] Redslash: You can get almost get 6 seconds out that, yow... 0_o [2014-09-16 19:00:00] Redslash: Probably call it 5. That's pretty sick. [2014-09-16 19:00:00] ElGranJerry: ;) [2014-09-16 19:00:15] ElGranJerry: I thought it was less, but then again I don't use Start+B [2014-09-16 19:01:22] ElGranJerry: and the powering up of the pendant does work right? [2014-09-16 19:01:37] ElGranJerry: I just can't remember why I didn't do it in runs lol [2014-09-16 19:02:15] Redslash: Wait a minute..... [2014-09-16 19:02:18] DrunkenDraconian: start + b? [2014-09-16 19:03:09] ElGranJerry: to fadeout on the 1st frame [2014-09-16 19:03:14] ElGranJerry: close the menu sorry [2014-09-16 19:04:00 | Edited 19:04:14] Redslash: Ok, sorry, yeah it doesn't work after all DDDDDD : [2014-09-16 19:04:14] ElGranJerry: :D [2014-09-16 19:04:17] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-09-16 19:04:18] ElGranJerry: :( [2014-09-16 19:04:33] Redslash: Yeah, whoops X) [2014-09-16 19:04:44] Redslash: I got too excited~ [2014-09-16 19:04:57] ElGranJerry: that's why I didn't use it or tell anyone then lol [2014-09-16 19:05:06] ElGranJerry: would be a good timesaver [2014-09-16 19:05:53] Redslash: We all would've tried it in a run tomorrow, and been like.... wut....... [2014-09-16 19:06:06] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-09-16 19:07:17] DrunkenDraconian: holly!! that's awesome, i've been mashing b trying to save frames [2014-09-16 19:07:44] DrunkenDraconian: it's also easier [2014-09-16 19:08:09] Redslash: Yoooo, yeah man... totally takes all the skill out of it, eh? [2014-09-16 19:08:40] ElGranJerry: need to be able to hold start and B :/ I just can't lol [2014-09-16 19:08:45] ElGranJerry: Need a better controller [2014-09-16 19:09:50] DrunkenDraconian: i have a bunch of wierd grips for this game now [2014-09-16 19:13:24] ElGranJerry: might need to play around with that [2014-09-16 19:22:43] Redslash: Huh, if you screw up setting Confirm to X, you can press Start to set it all back [2014-09-16 19:26:26] Redslash: And, huh, if you set Menu to Start.... you're screwed?? [2014-09-16 19:26:59] ElGranJerry: really? [2014-09-16 19:27:42] Redslash: Looooool [2014-09-16 19:27:51] Redslash: You can reload your save, I guess [2014-09-16 19:28:20] ElGranJerry: it sucks you get the option for that if you need to go back to another load haha [2014-09-16 19:28:22] ElGranJerry: weiiird [2014-09-16 19:28:28] ElGranJerry: another save [2014-09-16 19:28:29] DrunkenDraconian: hgilarious [2014-09-16 19:28:43] ElGranJerry: This game is full of surprises [2014-09-16 19:28:44] DrunkenDraconian: new chrono trigger challenge [2014-09-16 19:28:56] DrunkenDraconian: disable menu% [2014-09-16 19:29:05] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-09-16 19:29:56] DrunkenDraconian: it'sa actually set to select [2014-09-16 19:30:05] DrunkenDraconian: so no softlock [2014-09-16 19:30:05] Redslash: Oh. [2014-09-16 19:30:19] Redslash: Well. [2014-09-16 19:30:25] Redslash: No wonder, ha ha... [2014-09-16 19:30:33] DrunkenDraconian: hey, try pressing alt f4 [2014-09-16 19:30:36] DrunkenDraconian: Kappa [2014-09-16 19:31:53] Redslash: Yeeeee [2014-09-16 19:36:14] ElGranJerry: wtf [2014-09-16 19:36:21] ElGranJerry: twitch plays Chrono Trigger [2014-09-16 19:36:30] ElGranJerry: 2 viewers rofl [2014-09-16 19:36:31] Redslash: Whoa, is that still around? [2014-09-16 19:36:36] DrunkenDraconian: they tried it before [2014-09-16 19:36:42] DrunkenDraconian: could not beat magus [2014-09-16 19:37:16] Redslash: Too bad the movement is so gross [2014-09-16 19:38:49] DrunkenDraconian: there is no start or select, i'm going to brick it :P [2014-09-16 19:39:04] ElGranJerry: lmao [2014-09-16 19:39:14] ElGranJerry: lets use all the items Kappa [2014-09-16 19:39:14] Redslash: Oh man [2014-09-16 19:41:09] ElGranJerry: oh man it's happening [2014-09-16 19:45:41] ElGranJerry: there's no way they made it up to the future [2014-09-16 19:45:47] ElGranJerry: unless this has been going for month [2014-09-16 19:45:48] ElGranJerry: s [2014-09-16 19:45:58] DrunkenDraconian: 3 days [2014-09-16 19:46:39] ElGranJerry: weird [2014-09-16 19:48:33] Redslash: Did the controls take? I think we used b instead of left... [2014-09-16 19:49:02] ElGranJerry: DD did use left [2014-09-16 19:58:14] DrunkenDraconian: i may be having too much fun with this [2014-09-16 19:58:19] ElGranJerry: lmao [2014-09-16 20:01:43] ElGranJerry: rofl [2014-09-16 20:01:48] ElGranJerry: ded % [2014-09-16 20:02:00] DrunkenDraconian: that's modern hacking [2014-09-16 20:03:18] Redslash: Oh, we gotta save though [2014-09-16 20:03:38] DrunkenDraconian: good point [2014-09-16 20:04:56] Redslash: Or, I guess we straight up froze it [2014-09-16 20:10:36] Redslash: Ah well, turns out they just have select and start switched, dumb... [2014-09-16 20:11:03] DrunkenDraconian: lol, i just stepped away for a bit [2014-09-16 20:12:42] DrunkenDraconian: I'm off to bed, talk to you guys tomrrow [2014-09-16 20:13:04] ElGranJerry: gnight [2014-09-16 20:13:50] Redslash: 'Night dude [2014-09-16 20:14:23] ElGranJerry: what's a godlike Yakra split time? [2014-09-16 20:14:54] ElGranJerry: 15:10? [2014-09-16 20:15:26] ElGranJerry: 15:10 seems way too low, 15:20? [2014-09-16 20:16:19] ElGranJerry: why does obda start streaming soo late? jeez [2014-09-16 20:33:05] Redslash: Godlike, huh? I think we need a theory TAS... [2014-09-16 20:33:26] Redslash: Runthrough with the best human strats known, without errors [2014-09-16 20:38:15] ElGranJerry: yeah, I tried to say best we can do [2014-09-16 20:38:16] ElGranJerry: no errors [2014-09-17 0:13:21] Redslash: Did I misread my LSS data before...? The 3 bucket inputs make your chances 75%*1/4*3/4 (1st input is uncontrollable, 2nd and 3rd are on 4-frame cycles) [2014-09-17 0:14:54] Redslash: But by hitting 3-frame windows, you could carve it down to 75%*1/3... I want to try this...~ [2014-09-17 3:22:49] Ottavino: I know my best yakra split is 15:34, hard to go below 15:30, i split during the transition cathedral/castle [2014-09-17 3:30:25] Ottavino: You can't set menu to start, S is for select :) [2014-09-17 13:49:16] Redslash: Yeah, that was funny. I haven't used the Map in a long time [2014-09-17 13:57:17] ElGranJerry: 15:34, nice. i thought my 15:42 was not good but it's decent I guess :) [2014-09-17 14:02:51] Ottavino: yeah, under 15:45 it's a really good time [2014-09-17 14:32:19] Ottavino: omg you're right red, i didn't know the 1st battle was dependant on y position [2014-09-17 14:33:53] Redslash: Yeah, I just now checked that out, it's pretty weird [2014-09-17 14:34:32] Ottavino: me too, just tested, if you press up a little you get attacked 2 times [2014-09-17 14:35:51] Redslash: I thought you had to be high enough too, then I saw that even if you're pretty high you still get hit [2014-09-17 14:36:26] Ottavino: i know some battles are relevant to position (the 3 roly rider cyclone per exemple), but i didn't know 1st one was in this category [2014-09-17 14:36:48] Ottavino: we need to test position for all battles Kappa [2014-09-17 14:47:50] Redslash: Heh heh, you may be right [2014-09-17 16:09:48] ElGranJerry: bad attempts today :/ Didn't have much time to really go on [2014-09-17 16:10:09] ElGranJerry: the only good one was ruined by Drunkendraconian Kappa [2014-09-17 16:12:05] DrunkenDraconian: i(:::::::::::::::::: [2014-09-17 16:14:36] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-18 19:16:17] ElGranJerry: We need more CT runs!! [2014-09-18 20:25:33] Redslash: True [2014-09-18 20:29:00] Redslash: Actually, I haven't gotten out of the Desert yet. I was trying the late window (hit for 592), but it seems if you hit the top guy then Crono gets locked....? [2014-09-18 20:29:58] ElGranJerry: do you wait for Mohavor to miss marle? [2014-09-18 20:30:02] ElGranJerry: if 592 [2014-09-18 20:31:28] Redslash: First thing that happens after Crono's move is the lock. I wonder what I'm missing : / [2014-09-18 20:33:05] Redslash: You can hit the bottom guy with 592 and it goes normally. But hitting the bottom guy with 589 is no good, so... [2014-09-18 20:33:44] ElGranJerry: weirdd [2014-09-18 20:34:37] Redslash: Did anyone have a different outcome? I think we just didn't test this, heh [2014-09-18 20:34:54] ElGranJerry: I haven't tested it [2014-09-18 20:35:02] ElGranJerry: moving there but my closest save is @magus [2014-09-18 21:03:39] ElGranJerry: ooh Obda got 3:13 [2014-09-18 21:03:45] ElGranJerry: missed it :/ [2014-09-18 21:43:18] Redslash: Yeah, it was a pretty good looking pb... had to clutch out the shell again though X) [2014-09-19 0:29:21] Ottavino: weird, just tested 592 again, after spincut if I do nothing the lock miss on chrono (i'm on bs2) [2014-09-19 0:53:13] Redslash: Ok, I'm also getting locked on 589... don't tell me this is position-based too, lol... [2014-09-19 1:09:37] Redslash: Or, alright, opening the Tech menu too quickly [2014-09-19 1:20:19] Redslash: Nope, not too soon, getting locked on frames 2,4,6,8,10... pretty crazy. I'll try this more tomorrow. [2014-09-19 1:39:15] Ottavino: you're right, tested frame by frame, it can lock :( [2014-09-19 1:40:31] Ottavino: so we keep 589, and no save before golem [2014-09-19 1:44:02] Redslash: Oh I'm getting locked on 589 too though., that's the funny thing [2014-09-19 1:44:35] Redslash: If I figure out what's going wrong for 589 maybe we can solve 592 as well [2014-09-19 1:47:08] Ottavino: who is getting locked on 589, marle? [2014-09-19 1:47:16] Redslash: Yeah [2014-09-19 1:48:07] Ottavino: depending on timing of rollo kick? [2014-09-19 1:51:02] Redslash: Ah, I understand now [2014-09-19 1:51:39] Redslash: I was testing it as if it were 592, just letting the battle go, hah [2014-09-19 1:52:41 | Edited 2:15:52] Redslash: Alright, so the Rollokick prevents the lock, while otherwise it's 50/50 whether the lock misses : P [2014-09-19 12:51:42] DrunkenDraconian: you updated the chart and wrightup Red, I like it. [2014-09-19 13:11:29] Redslash: Thanks! =) I'm happy with it for now [2014-09-19 13:12:10] DrunkenDraconian: So i just found the most hilarious way to beat yackra :P [2014-09-19 13:12:41] DrunkenDraconian: save and load as per the skip, then let the battle start with chrono and lucca right next to him so he can't counter [2014-09-19 13:17:39] Redslash: Lol, nice.... Actually I've been meaning to ask, does no s+q allow dying and reloading? Heh [2014-09-19 13:18:41] DrunkenDraconian: i was thinking of allowing it for my active challenge and a required mash for load [2014-09-19 13:19:07] DrunkenDraconian: I'm also thinknig i'll have more fun with all bosses if i allow S&Q [2014-09-19 13:28:49] Redslash: Aw, required mash? Just substituting death for resets sounds fun, but it wouldn't really be different enough I guess [2014-09-19 13:33:46] DrunkenDraconian: I'm not sure how well manipulation would work on active ATB. [2014-09-19 13:34:01] DrunkenDraconian: as for a no S&Q run, [2014-09-19 13:34:24] DrunkenDraconian: death is the end [2014-09-19 13:34:31] DrunkenDraconian: it's not that hard really [2014-09-19 13:34:53] DrunkenDraconian: golem twins and lavos shell are the only scarry bosses [2014-09-19 13:35:55] DrunkenDraconian: and by the end you are so leveled and geared that lavos should be 90%+ [2014-09-19 13:40:23] Redslash: Ahh, I gotcha. [2014-09-19 13:41:57] Redslash: You can still manipulate quite a bit on Active.. enemy moves pause the meter and stuff [2014-09-19 13:42:29] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, all actions would have to be input during animations [2014-09-19 13:42:48] DrunkenDraconian: that would be interesting to do as well [2014-09-19 13:43:45] DrunkenDraconian: right now i'm trying to find to optimal movements and slide for this yackra thing [2014-09-19 13:54:17] Redslash: Huh, I've been fiddling with the TAS strat for Forest/Cathedral fights (skip doing any equipment/tabs until the savepoint fadeout) [2014-09-19 13:54:46] Redslash: ... and since it doesn't use Cyclone in the Forest, Active/Wait doesn't even matter until... [2014-09-19 13:55:46] Redslash: (or it shouldn't matter) ... D.Tank? Maybe even R-Series [2014-09-19 13:56:24] DrunkenDraconian: dtank isn't hard with 3xfirewhirl [2014-09-19 13:57:08] DrunkenDraconian: active inputs CAN be faster, because you can hover over the tech you want and mash [2014-09-19 13:58:24] Redslash: I'm actually thinking about for the any% route, Wait vs Active wouldn't matter until that far in [2014-09-19 13:58:52] DrunkenDraconian: oh i see [2014-09-19 13:59:34] DrunkenDraconian: ummm, to save time? the risk vs reward seems minimal [2014-09-19 14:01:48] Redslash: True... but maybe you mash through the Active/Wait selection and miss... [2014-09-19 14:02:34] Redslash: Aw, you'd want to correct it when you set the BS... never mind~ [2014-09-19 14:09:00] Redslash: Dang dude, menu takes 15 frames more on the world map than indoors [2014-09-19 14:10:06] Redslash: (Rip using menu on the world map Kappa) [2014-09-19 14:11:37] DrunkenDraconian: you should check different eras [2014-09-19 14:11:44] DrunkenDraconian: are you checking in 600? [2014-09-19 14:11:54] DrunkenDraconian: the transpranacy layer might be bogging things down [2014-09-19 14:18:26] Redslash: Same for 1000, 65M is +10 instead of +15, 2300 is only +8. Hm. [2014-09-19 14:19:30] DrunkenDraconian: check for button press on a wierd interval on world map programming? [2014-09-19 14:25:22] Redslash: Nah, 1-frame diff if anything. Taking a step is 8 frames~ [2014-09-19 14:26:59 | Edited 14:31:16] Redslash: Probably just size of map/room, or how many entrances [2014-09-19 14:34:34] Redslash: I need to thoroughly reroute Japanese for Shell Skip... I don't think Marle even needs to learn magic, heh heh [2014-09-19 14:41:34] Redslash: Oh wow, Spekkio gives Robo a major speech, rip [2014-09-19 14:43:30] DrunkenDraconian: lol [2014-09-19 14:48:26] Redslash: Whoa whoa whoa, Obda's on a run, heading to Desert [2014-09-19 14:48:43] DrunkenDraconian: yup [2014-09-19 14:59:31] Redslash: I was waiting for that Spincut on the core to miss, yikes [2014-09-19 15:01:03] Redslash: I bet this'll still be the sub 3:10 [2014-09-19 15:01:17] DrunkenDraconian: I'm hoping [2014-09-19 15:32:31] Redslash: That Shell made such a difference, sick time [2014-09-19 15:32:57] SnesWarrior: Indeed, he finally got that sub 3:10, was wondering when he'd grab it [2014-09-19 15:38:34] Redslash: Dang, I wonder what his sum of bests is [2014-09-19 15:39:20] DrunkenDraconian: so was he lucky or is running from all the battles after slash enough to reset things? [2014-09-19 15:40:02] SnesWarrior: didn't get to watch his magus castle unfortunately, what mistake did he make? [2014-09-19 15:40:19] DrunkenDraconian: lost manipulation near the end of slash [2014-09-19 15:40:40] DrunkenDraconian: but lined up anyway [2014-09-19 15:41:13] SnesWarrior: screwing up Slash can be relatively generous. It's probably a large timing window to get the address you want [2014-09-19 15:41:38] DrunkenDraconian: the sum of his actions must have been within hte window of the first fight after [2014-09-19 15:41:41] DrunkenDraconian: ? [2014-09-19 15:41:43] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2014-09-19 15:41:45] DrunkenDraconian: ok [2014-09-19 15:42:43] SnesWarrior: Most bosses seem this way from my experience, bossed I've completely effed and gotten correct rng for are, Slash, Magus, and Nizbel [2014-09-19 15:42:53] SnesWarrior: bosses* [2014-09-19 15:43:59] Redslash: Yeah, Slash normally ends at 6a, so you have a lot of the 61-87 window left [2014-09-19 15:49:26] Redslash: Actually, the backups for after Masamune, Nizbel, & Magus (and before Lavos shell) are all 0D [2014-09-19 15:51:12] Redslash: I should show on the windows list where all they apply to~ [2014-09-19 15:51:37] DrunkenDraconian: a load key would be fantastic [2014-09-19 15:52:17] Redslash: I thought of going in game order... eh I'll do both [2014-09-19 15:53:42] DrunkenDraconian: lol, no more excuses for me :P I'll have to sub3:05 now for sure [2014-09-19 16:22:26] Redslash: I guess it's really not too much. 1d/3e/99 are the only required (in that order too); backups are 0d after those bosses, 61 at Denadoro/Slash savept, 88 at Magus/Tyrano savept, and throw in b9 for Flea [2014-09-19 16:30:09] Redslash: Like, weird I didn't notice. The 0.5 1.5 2.5 scrolls are required loads, the 0 2 (3) 4 scrolls are backup loads. Nice. [2014-09-19 16:33:32] Redslash: Makes me think of changing the setup so required ones are the whole numbers tho [2014-09-19 16:34:23] Redslash: ... Nah, let backups be easy [2014-09-19 16:53:13] ElGranJerry: guys, ElMagus asked me to replace him in the Relay Race bonus game [2014-09-19 16:53:20] ElGranJerry: oh well, Imma go for it [2014-09-19 17:00:54] ElGranJerry: Need to grind hardcore this week to be able to compete with Obda [2014-09-19 17:04:26] DrunkenDraconian: you can do it [2014-09-19 17:04:36] DrunkenDraconian: just do no reset runs [2014-09-19 17:05:32] DrunkenDraconian: we all believe in you \o/ [2014-09-19 17:06:29] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-19 17:06:32] ElGranJerry: Will do my best [2014-09-19 17:07:12] Redslash: Yo, you'll do great man. Do you know what leg of the relay you have? [2014-09-19 17:07:39] ElGranJerry: All the game, it's not really a relay, just the bonus game for the FF races [2014-09-19 17:09:10] ElGranJerry: I believe it's obda, essentia, jenja and myself [2014-09-19 17:09:57] DrunkenDraconian: you'll be first or second [2014-09-19 17:10:08] DrunkenDraconian: 100,000 bux [2014-09-19 17:12:00] ElGranJerry: I hope so, like I've never finished a run [2014-09-19 17:12:03] ElGranJerry: thats my only concern haha [2014-09-19 17:12:17] ElGranJerry: but I was on 3:20ish pace with a bad urn so it shouldn't be that bad [2014-09-19 17:21:16] Nihil922: just do some practice and learn the backup strats and you should be able to win the race [2014-09-19 17:29:18] ElGranJerry: yeah man, I've been doing that. Hopefully I can get some runs in Sunday and Wednesday when I have free time [2014-09-19 17:29:31] ElGranJerry: not the same practice from RTA's [2014-09-19 17:42:40] SnesWarrior: Congrats man! If you need any help I'm sure we are all here for ya [2014-09-19 17:43:04] ElGranJerry: Thanks :) [2014-09-19 17:43:19] ElGranJerry: A skype call during the race would be cool, my stream will be muted anyways [2014-09-19 19:11:53] Redslash: Lost my phone for a while there, lol. We are here for ya man, confirmed =) [2014-09-19 19:31:36] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-20 9:17:13] ElGranJerry: How does one bring in the SA to Lavos Shell? Just wondering [2014-09-20 11:43:29] Redslash: It's tricky, I'd have to look at it again.. [2014-09-20 11:46:19] Redslash: You start by bringing Gaspar's textbox to the pillars (it normally closes when you go up the stairs, but opening your menu preserves it) [2014-09-20 11:57:08 | Edited 12:07:12] Redslash: ... unless that's just for S/A to other places... I think all you do is go up to the bucket, and try to switch party right before you get launched upward. Hard to time and there's a chance you can't menu (it's like a "mini LSS") [2014-09-20 13:51:15] ElGranJerry: oh I see, sounds rough [2014-09-20 13:51:23] ElGranJerry: Gonna try a run in a few, anyone wants to race? [2014-09-20 13:51:38] DrunkenDraconian: fighting nizbel right now on twitch plays :P [2014-09-20 13:51:56] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-09-20 13:52:01] ElGranJerry: I gotta see that [2014-09-20 15:40:06] ElGranJerry: So yeah, power outage messing up my computer ports and ruining the run, that's a new one lol [2014-09-20 15:40:31] Ottavino: :( [2014-09-20 15:42:28] ElGranJerry: will go again tomorrow, right now just practice [2014-09-20 15:43:11] Ottavino: i will run a 100 % tomorrow [2014-09-20 15:43:28] ElGranJerry: :O [2014-09-20 15:43:32] ElGranJerry: amazing dude [2014-09-20 15:43:35] ElGranJerry: what time? [2014-09-20 15:44:02] Ottavino: around 10-11 am est [2014-09-20 15:44:35] Ottavino: 4-5 pm for me :) [2014-09-20 15:45:35] ElGranJerry: sweet! [2014-09-20 16:50:32] Redslash: Yo hype :0 [2014-09-20 18:29:48] ElGranJerry: we did it! [2014-09-21 8:22:34] Ottavino: first time i got the lucca 20 sec thing at yakra :( [2014-09-21 8:22:42] Ottavino: guards are trolling... [2014-09-21 8:22:46] Ottavino: sick [2014-09-21 8:22:58] ElGranJerry: :/ [2014-09-21 8:23:08] ElGranJerry: sucks [2014-09-21 13:26:39] ElGranJerry: 4:55:39... GG [2014-09-21 13:38:33] DrunkenDraconian: excelent run, I enjoyed it, thanks [2014-09-21 13:43:54] Ottavino: thanks! [2014-09-21 13:44:17] ElGranJerry: same, too bad I left after twin golems. Will watch the vod for sure! [2014-09-21 13:46:48] DrunkenDraconian: are you able to manipulate the multiplier on wondershot? [2014-09-21 13:47:16] Ottavino: no it's random [2014-09-21 13:47:46] Ottavino: that's why i don't use it, except for a few fights [2014-09-21 14:00:54] Redslash: Yeah, that run was insane... 1/2 hour over the previous record, so crazy [2014-09-21 14:01:26] Ottavino: for more CT obda is streaming :D [2014-09-21 14:01:54] Redslash: Oh dang! [2014-09-21 14:04:09] Redslash: I think things are really starting to heat up :0 [2014-09-21 14:04:48] Redslash: Cup of coffee in the big time... [2014-09-21 14:13:55] DrunkenDraconian: Coffee n' apple crisp yo [2014-09-21 14:28:23] Ottavino: it was pizza time for me [2014-09-21 14:28:42] ElGranJerry: WR pizza, nice! [2014-09-21 14:55:20] Ottavino: lol at your tweets guys [2014-09-21 14:55:37] Ottavino: it's nice :) [2014-09-21 15:17:02] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-21 15:30:34] Ottavino: btw red, do you know why b3e6 jumps from e1 to f5 at the end of retinite? [2014-09-21 15:31:56] Redslash: Does it..? [2014-09-21 15:32:44] Redslash: I beat Ret on E3 once while following the script, thought that was a bit weird [2014-09-21 15:33:08] Ottavino: it's from e3 to f5 so [2014-09-21 15:33:22] Redslash: Yeah, pretty close, heh [2014-09-21 15:34:06] Redslash: I didn't know of any jumps though, interesting.. [2014-09-21 15:35:03] Ottavino: that could maybe explain why slash is different on wii vc [2014-09-21 15:35:39] Ottavino: we need to find another strat, the mid tonic on frog is really scary [2014-09-21 15:36:22] Ottavino: i think we can gain time on flea, because your J strat is a few sec faster [2014-09-21 15:39:13] Redslash: Oh cool. I didn't really check if it was faster, just that I didn't lose time [2014-09-21 15:39:39] Redslash: But, you meant 0026 for Retinite? Not b3e6.. [2014-09-21 15:40:08] Ottavino: yeah, i knew it was this one or the other... [2014-09-21 15:40:30] Ottavino: the enemy value like i call it [2014-09-21 15:41:20] Redslash: Sounds good [2014-09-21 15:41:50] Redslash: Yeah I didn't notice anything too unordinary, but I'll check it out [2014-09-21 15:43:15] Redslash: I like having actual names for these addresses, not just "~The RNG~", lol... [2014-09-21 15:43:29] Ottavino: me too lol [2014-09-21 15:45:35] Ottavino: battle value (29AD), enemy value (0026), critical value (B3E6) and load value (0D00) [2014-09-21 15:51:11] Redslash: Oh I guess people would be sad to see Flea fight change ='( [2014-09-21 15:51:23] Redslash: It's optional though~ [2014-09-21 16:32:41] Redslash: Let's see if I can LSS today... [2014-09-21 17:22:13] ElGranJerry: go LSS! [2014-09-21 17:22:19] ElGranJerry: easiest trick in the game Kappa [2014-09-21 17:35:39] Redslash: ........... I did it : / [2014-09-21 17:36:08] DrunkenDraconian: sweet! [2014-09-21 17:36:40] Redslash: On console. 4th try or whatever. This is kind of a rush, I should lie down, lol..... [2014-09-21 17:36:52] ElGranJerry: omg dude! Congrats!!! [2014-09-21 17:36:57] DrunkenDraconian: don't stoke out on me dude [2014-09-21 17:37:36] Redslash: I think it is reaaaallly easy on J, which is kinda what I thought but I didn't want to get too excited ha ha [2014-09-21 17:40:16] Redslash: It pays to know the right frames to aim for though. 2nd frame after the text box ends [2014-09-21 17:45:42] Redslash: I mean, I don't think you guys understand. I've never even tried it on console before now, so this feels extremely troll, lol [2014-09-21 17:46:19] Redslash: In fact I'm just gonna shut up until I can prove it X) [2014-09-21 17:46:51] DrunkenDraconian: lol [2014-09-21 18:06:38] Redslash: Ok, I did it again. I'm using gamesaver to make a state before I engage the bucket (the setup leading up to it is consistent) [2014-09-21 18:07:15] DrunkenDraconian: my game saver eats my saves and crashes the game, does it ork better on j cart? [2014-09-21 18:08:11] Redslash: Well, I only use it for little segments, since it seems to crash in most battles : P [2014-09-21 18:09:54] ElGranJerry: nice red! LSS hype [2014-09-21 18:19:41] Redslash: Yeah, thanks guys, I mean this is definitely something [2014-09-21 18:20:57] Redslash: I feel really trolled by this game at the moment though... like, when I put all that work into J, this is not what I had in mind >:0 [2014-09-21 18:23:02] Redslash: Ah well. Doesn't matter til someone runs it. Really glad I took the time to work on E with everyone too, I'm still gonna play that for a while~ [2014-09-21 18:24:40] ElGranJerry: It's huge dude, congrats. J might need to be taken way more seriously now... [2014-09-21 18:24:58] ElGranJerry: It's a 10 minute time saver [2014-09-21 18:33:41] Redslash: Do you know cha0stwitch? He really pioneered this with his "LSS streams," and we've bounced ideas around on Twitter and stuff. [2014-09-21 18:33:55] Redslash: So I figure I'll do an LSS stream as homage to that [2014-09-21 18:34:03] DrunkenDraconian: i've seen him practicing [2014-09-21 18:35:06] ElGranJerry: yeah, sweet dude. Go for it [2014-09-21 18:41:01] Redslash: If I sound reserved about it, I am : ) I like how the community's been taking off recently, Obda's back in the scene... and this feels like a bit much, ha ha [2014-09-21 18:56:55] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-21 19:24:43] ElGranJerry: 4:55 100% jeez dude, seems surreal [2014-09-21 19:24:47] ElGranJerry: rewatching the run haha [2014-09-22 13:38:10] Redslash: Oh yeah, those big jumps in the enemy value when someone has Berserker on (which I don't really understand)... maybe it's similar in bosses that have "Berserk mode"... [2014-09-22 16:48:39] Ottavino: btw red do you know the prototype version of ct? http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Trigger_Prerelease.html [2014-09-22 16:50:52] Ottavino: there is some interesting music tracks: http://tcrf.net/Proto:Chrono_Trigger_(SNES)/Music_Differences :) [2014-09-22 18:07:34] Redslash: Oh! That's awesome. I think I heard about the prerelease, didn't realize the music might be different though =) [2014-09-22 19:13:33] ElGranJerry: After Saturday's race I might start doing an Any% Tutorial, should be fun [2014-09-23 15:36:50] ElGranJerry: Who would like to race on Friday? [2014-09-23 15:37:07] Ottavino: which time? [2014-09-23 15:37:57] ElGranJerry: I am free after 1pm my time, so anything after that [2014-09-23 15:44:06] Ottavino: why not? i'm used to see a friend every friday night, but if he's not available this time, i can do a race [2014-09-23 16:29:19] ElGranJerry: cool [2014-09-24 17:52:10] Redslash: Couple notes here... loading right after Masa&Mune seems better than Medina: 0D instead of 3E [2014-09-24 17:57:29] Redslash: For a safer Desert setup, you could equip Swallow right when you get it, load 61, and miss the Bird Skip on purpose [2014-09-24 18:00:46] Redslash: I polished up my Exp/TP spreadsheet, can't wait to post it~ [2014-09-24 18:02:49] ElGranJerry: what changes in the desert that makes it safer? curious [2014-09-24 18:03:00] ElGranJerry: and sweet about the spreadsheet :) [2014-09-24 18:09:35] ElGranJerry: oh wait I misread, the setup is safer, not the desert [2014-09-24 18:10:25] Redslash: Right right, 61 is just easier. [2014-09-24 18:11:59] Redslash: One could also load 61 at the Desert and run from an extra fight first. Just an option that's there. [2014-09-24 18:13:16] Redslash: (Center, top-right, top-left*, top-middle, bottom) [2014-09-24 18:15:42] Redslash: But yeah this sheet is good, I went through and checked every single battle to make sure it calculates right : P [2014-09-24 18:19:17] ElGranJerry: Wow, really nice man [2014-09-24 18:21:00] ElGranJerry: and that Masa strat is a bit riskier but prolly a bit faster? [2014-09-24 18:21:20] ElGranJerry: load after masa I mean [2014-09-24 18:34:33] Redslash: I think it's both fast and easy, it's the same as Lavos Shell backup (go right when the menu comes up) [2014-09-24 18:38:52 | Edited 18:39:13] Redslash: And that backup you were trying before Masamune should be ok. (Crono is a level low if he dies to the Bugger, I see it now) [2014-09-24 18:39:43] ElGranJerry: ooh I see, makes sense now [2014-09-24 18:40:12 | Edited 18:42:12] ElGranJerry: Yeah, I meant "riskier" since you need to go through the Woods to Frog and maybe get in an encounter, but it shouldn't be a big deal [2014-09-24 18:44:18] Redslash: Ah, gotcha... Man, I actually didn't know til recently that you can run through those frogs in the lower part of the Woods, lol... [2014-09-24 18:46:31] ElGranJerry: hehe [2014-09-24 18:46:43] ElGranJerry: always learn something new with this game [2014-09-24 20:45:39] ElGranJerry: For the Menu glitch do you guys use an audio or visual cue? I've practiced it so far and only got it 23/54 times. Really bad rofl [2014-09-24 20:51:37] Redslash: I kinda use both.. make sure the screen goes all the way black, then press [2014-09-24 20:52:46] Redslash: First black frame is actually too early, so don't try to "coincide" with it. Just watch it and go, works very well for me [2014-09-24 20:53:30] ElGranJerry: oh, I didn't know the 1st frame was bad, will try that out man [2014-09-24 20:54:46] ElGranJerry: If it counts for anything I got a 3:45 lol, but I missed the menu glitch 5 times [2014-09-24 20:54:56] ElGranJerry: not a serious run because I paused several times [2014-09-24 20:57:06] Redslash: Oh dang, grats dude. That sounds solid even so : ) [2014-09-24 20:57:38 | Edited 20:59:35] Redslash: Yeah I forget how many, but it's several black frames before the 26-frame window, I'd almost guarantee you're early if you miss it [2014-09-24 21:00:55] ElGranJerry: sort of, 2:11 Magus. My early game is disgusting still [2014-09-24 21:01:17] ElGranJerry: yeah, I think that might've been my problem, So far 6 out of 9 after you told me that [2014-09-25 1:23:36] Nihil922: i listen to the music, press on the 3rd drumbeat [2014-09-25 4:35:08] Redslash: I thought about it, and I'll go ahead and always name windows by midpoint now (0.2, 0.5, 1.1, 1.6, 2.3, 2.6, 3.3) [2014-09-25 4:45:16 | Edited 5:05:26] Redslash: Not just when loading, but whenever referring to windows ("Magus ends in 0.2 or 0.5")... can always find the hex if needed [2014-09-25 4:52:42] Redslash: (Multiply by 4 to estimate the hex too~) [2014-09-25 5:49:18] SnesWarrior: Morning peeps, sorry I haven't tuned in lately, RL hit me pretty hard.. Been trying to do offline any% attempts and the last 8-9 times I've attempted I've had to deal with family emergencies or just stupid drama -_- [2014-09-25 5:50:17] SnesWarrior: ProTips to being speedrunner, don't get a girlfriend who can't stand speedrunning =P [2014-09-25 7:19:46] ElGranJerry: 3rd drumbeat noted [2014-09-25 7:23:04] SnesWarrior: Audio cues usually differ from VC/SNES so it may be just a little sooner or later. [2014-09-25 7:38:14] SnesWarrior: Hm, so I was just practicing bird skip. And ran into that fight an unknown number of times. Decided to go with it just to get a save after Yakra to continue practice later. And I got an extraordinarily good pattern on all the fights. Roly's didn't attack, Killed 3 Naga's with 1st cyclone, only 1 Naga got a melee hit, finished last Naga off with flame toss instead of whirl. Last fight Frog got a crit first turn. Then the battle proceeded as normal. [2014-09-25 7:38:27] SnesWarrior: The fun is going to be figuring out what battle value I was on [2014-09-25 7:39:44] SnesWarrior: Oh, I guess I need to see if this messes with the crit table at all during D.Tank too [2014-09-25 8:42:46] Ottavino: Hum... i don't think it saves time because no bird skip is at least 10 sec slower and you can get no attack from the poly if you target the left une first, only improvments come from the naga fight and the last fight... it doesn't change d tank battle because battle value is reset at the reverse truce canyon skip [2014-09-25 8:43:28] Ottavino: But we need to test :) [2014-09-25 8:49:24] SnesWarrior: I just figured out what battle value it is, its -115. So if we can get -115 directly after the 3 imp fight. It'd work. Dunno if thats possible [2014-09-25 8:50:07] SnesWarrior: And after the 3 roly fight its -4 [2014-09-25 8:50:35] SnesWarrior: You can get -1 but I didn't test if that worked or not [2014-09-25 8:51:35] Ottavino: You can get this value if you have not deleted a save file [2014-09-25 8:52:12] SnesWarrior: but is it early in the list? or a 3 second pause, that would make a difference on the time save [2014-09-25 8:52:50] Ottavino: -115 is 8d I guess in hexa [2014-09-25 8:54:08] Ottavino: And I saw I didn't understand your msg, you do the bird skip, but you want another value before the 3 imp fight, right? [2014-09-25 8:54:29] SnesWarrior: Hmm,ok, so does that spawn you with -115, or put you at -115 after the imps? [2014-09-25 9:01:47] SnesWarrior: Well thats what im attempting [2014-09-25 9:02:08] SnesWarrior: IF you can get -115 after the imps, then it will save a good chunk of time [2014-09-25 9:02:42] SnesWarrior: I'd guess 10-15 secs maybe? [2014-09-25 9:05:53] Ottavino: I thought of that, starting with another value at the beginning, but if you already have a save which gives you advantages, it's not a 'new game' for me :) [2014-09-25 9:07:30] SnesWarrior: True [2014-09-25 9:07:52] Ottavino: Or the creation of this save file have to be timed in the run, and you can't save until a min [2014-09-25 9:08:17] SnesWarrior: A lot ppl think the same thing about save and quitting as well, I just look at it as further RNG Manipulation [2014-09-25 9:08:22] SnesWarrior: think* [2014-09-25 9:08:52] SnesWarrior: wait I spelled that right, im severely multitasking atm lol [2014-09-25 9:11:41] Ottavino: But if most of the ct runners are agree with this change, (consider that starting with a save file not used is still a new game), let's go! [2014-09-25 9:16:16] SnesWarrior: I like anything that adds technicality to the run, so im extremely biased lol [2014-09-25 9:25:09] SnesWarrior: Would you happen to know a battle address that watches the title screen scroll through. I'm trying to find a way to search for it through RAMWatch but everything looks frozen. [2014-09-25 9:25:45] SnesWarrior: or RAM Search rather [2014-09-25 9:28:08] SnesWarrior: I'm showing two values changed I think? 7E0401 and 7E09FD [2014-09-25 9:31:24] Ottavino: 7E0D00 I think [2014-09-25 9:33:52] SnesWarrior: Yup, that was it. Dunno what in the world those other ones are. [2014-09-25 10:09:13] SnesWarrior: 67(hexa) was the magic number I think. Gave me a -118 after imps which gave the same outcome as -115 and put me back at -4 for Rolys. (sorry for confusing numbers, adding extra ramwatches in hexa so I can learn it, been reading everything by default setup till now) [2014-09-25 10:13:44] SnesWarrior: Naga-ette fight is a bit different, your very first move you need to hit down-right fast enough to get into Lucca's tech for the firewhirl. It's a semi-tight window to get all 3 with the Fire whirl. But you need have the default cursor on Lucca's tech for the next flame toss, or else its an even tighter down-right window before the last Naga gets a slow attack instead of dying. [2014-09-25 10:46:28] SnesWarrior: Wow, so if you get the next value in the string you get two crits from Crono in the Roly fight, but afterwards you get back to FC after the 3 roly [2014-09-25 11:07:09] SnesWarrior: You can even skip using the power tab until you use the other one in prison if you do the next value. [2014-09-25 11:30:41] SnesWarrior: Or not, I think I goofed on that one. [2014-09-25 16:27:24] ElGranJerry: If you get both elixirs 1st try how long is that split? 4 minutes? [2014-09-25 16:28:28] Ottavino: 3:20 [2014-09-25 16:28:59] ElGranJerry: so I could have about 3:18 SoB then if it wasn't for that split. I'm happy [2014-09-25 16:29:37] SnesWarrior: It was pretty solid run from the part I caught. Good stuff man [2014-09-25 16:30:11] SnesWarrior: Just something to help you out though, I noticed you reaally like to go fast when inputting your elixir glitch commands [2014-09-25 16:30:33] SnesWarrior: If you press , "A, X, Up, X" its less inputs with same result, iirc [2014-09-25 16:30:58] ElGranJerry: I see, I thought it had to be really fast? [2014-09-25 16:31:21] SnesWarrior: It has to be fast, but theres a little room for cautiousness [2014-09-25 16:32:10] SnesWarrior: But I guess with one less input you'd have a little room to play, I always mess up when using the D-pad [2014-09-25 16:32:56] Redslash: Oh yeah I need to check that out [2014-09-25 16:32:56] ElGranJerry: I see [2014-09-25 16:34:05] SnesWarrior: Credit goes to Otta on that one, I would've never found that it X took you straight to targetting the enemy [2014-09-25 16:35:47] DrunkenDraconian: what time is the race again? [2014-09-25 16:35:58] Ottavino: You need to be fast when you go from tech to item and after the A from A,X,left,X, but you have time when you are in the item menu [2014-09-25 16:37:35] Ottavino: The frog elixir glitch works on any battle speed [2014-09-25 16:37:50] ElGranJerry: oh nice, I will try that out [2014-09-25 16:37:57] ElGranJerry: 2 pm EDT DD [2014-09-25 16:38:29] DrunkenDraconian: thanks [2014-09-25 16:41:42] Redslash: I think if you're BS3 for 2nd elixir glitch you can just hold X in the fight, but might need to retest with Swallow [2014-09-25 16:43:49] Ottavino: Yeah if you want more time for Frog you can hold X for Chrono and Frog attacks, it's just one more extra attack from Chrono [2014-09-25 16:44:46] Redslash: Right, I'm not sure how much safer it even is, just one less thing to worry about [2014-09-25 16:45:30] Redslash: I didn't find it to work for BS greater than 3, though [2014-09-25 16:45:57] Redslash: Well, I know why [2014-09-25 16:46:57] Redslash: Marle was coming up at the same time as Frog [2014-09-25 16:48:04] Ottavino: With an 8 speed Marle? [2014-09-25 16:48:25] Redslash: On BS3 or less she can input attack but dies before shooting [2014-09-25 16:48:48] Redslash: Hm, I don't think I tried 7 or 8 [2014-09-25 16:51:58] Redslash: I don't have a state at the moment, this was stuff I tried out for LSS. [2014-09-25 16:53:02] Redslash: Before you even used Frog in your 3:03 actually, heh heh~ [2014-09-25 16:54:24] ElGranJerry: would you want the state from the run I just did? [2014-09-25 16:55:43] Redslash: Ah, sure! Why not =) [2014-09-25 16:55:57] *** *** [2014-09-25 16:56:06] Redslash: I'm working through Lavos Shell now but I don't wanna rush it~ [2014-09-25 16:56:13] ElGranJerry: idk if it makes any effect but I had one extra battle in Magus Stairs [2014-09-25 16:56:57] ElGranJerry: only different thing [2014-09-25 16:57:04] Redslash: One in Tyrano Lair too => [2014-09-25 16:57:10] Redslash: It's all good. Thanks! [2014-09-25 16:58:08] ElGranJerry: oh yeah true haha [2014-09-25 16:58:10] ElGranJerry: anytime [2014-09-25 16:59:19] ElGranJerry: brb [2014-09-25 17:08:47] Redslash: Ah, I have bad luck with emulators. Snes9x1.51-rr ? [2014-09-25 17:10:18] Redslash: Even the movie Otta provided de-synchs for me in the Desert, dunno why [2014-09-25 17:19:57] Redslash: Probably even the sub-version matters... I have "Version 7, svn225" [2014-09-25 17:21:48] Redslash: For longer movies anyway [2014-09-25 17:23:17] ElGranJerry: Oh, this is 1.53 [2014-09-25 17:27:13] Redslash: Ah, alrighty [2014-09-25 17:29:03] Redslash: They could put the version info in the state's header... but that'd require a new version Kappa [2014-09-25 17:44:08] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-25 17:45:00] ElGranJerry: I won't upload my run, very confident I can beat it tomorrow :) [2014-09-25 18:01:29] Redslash: Aw yeah dude, you'll beat it for sure =) [2014-09-25 18:05:13] ElGranJerry: like this run fought Spekkio lmao [2014-09-25 18:05:21] ElGranJerry: and had a 10+ min Masa [2014-09-25 18:05:27 | Edited 18:07:24] Redslash: Had the wrong idea about Marle attacking, her speed must've been high I guess. Just hold X works [2014-09-25 18:05:47] Redslash: Oh yeah, forgot about troll Spekkio X) [2014-09-25 18:06:53] Redslash: Man I'll check that out. I think if he says "no cheating" you can keep the text open and go around once more, and you don't have to start over... [2014-09-25 18:07:19] ElGranJerry: oh really [2014-09-25 18:07:25] ElGranJerry: I was actually messing around with him atm [2014-09-25 18:07:29] ElGranJerry: hasn't trolled me yet [2014-09-25 18:07:52] Redslash: There are 4 specific points on the wall you need to touch, and 2 are on either side of the door [2014-09-25 18:08:00] Redslash: Could be having the door open screwed you up [2014-09-25 18:08:30] ElGranJerry: probably [2014-09-25 18:08:34] Redslash: I really don't know why they made it that way.... [2014-09-25 18:08:44] ElGranJerry: it was really weird though, one time the door was closed [2014-09-25 18:08:49] ElGranJerry: yeah, weird programming [2014-09-25 18:23:03] Redslash: In fact, if he says no cheating, usually all you need is very last touchpoint, the right side of the door [2014-09-25 18:23:31] Redslash: So you can swoop down real quick with the text open, don't even need to go around again [2014-09-25 18:24:38] Redslash: Crono needs to be at least halfway covered by the door for it count, I didn't realize that [2014-09-25 18:31:21] Redslash: Dang, touching the wall directly left of the door is important too, which is easy to miss with the door open [2014-09-25 18:32:19] ElGranJerry: oooh wow [2014-09-25 18:34:00] DrunkenDraconian: i always start on the right side of the door and run past it and then run past it again on the last lap, not completely optimal but mostly failproof [2014-09-25 18:34:23] DrunkenDraconian: if you do it right the door doesnt open and it's even easier to run past it [2014-09-25 18:39:24] Redslash: Yeah, starting on the right is the best method [2014-09-25 18:42:48] ElGranJerry: I see [2014-09-25 18:42:58] ElGranJerry: I never imagined complex stuff for that room [2014-09-25 18:46:37] Redslash: If you run down just out of the light circle (spotlight?) then go straight left, it's enough [2014-09-25 18:47:03] Redslash: But yeah, clearly this room wasn't built for speedrunning X) [2014-09-25 18:57:10] ElGranJerry: hehe, gotta check it out [2014-09-25 18:57:30] ElGranJerry: lets mod CT and make it speedrunning friendly Kappa [2014-09-25 19:02:11] Redslash: Lol whoa... making a hack might actually be fun [2014-09-25 19:03:01] Redslash: Puzzle fights where crits are required to win, stuff like that [2014-09-25 19:06:37] ElGranJerry: would be fun [2014-09-25 19:06:39] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-25 19:11:45] Redslash: Something simple like making 29AD random might be neat too [2014-09-25 19:24:44] ElGranJerry: rng teh game [2014-09-26 10:21:31] ElGranJerry: Is the load for Flea after the Hench fight 3-3.7 seconds? Or am wrong [2014-09-26 10:22:11] Ottavino: don't heal Frog before, it cancels the 'rng' for this battle [2014-09-26 10:22:16] Ottavino: before Flea* [2014-09-26 10:22:43] ElGranJerry: DId I heal? I didn't use a shelter [2014-09-26 10:22:49] ElGranJerry: hmm let me watch the vod lol [2014-09-26 10:23:39] Ottavino: frog was at 188hp, he normally has 142 or 143 (with the 45 or 46 damage on the 1st fight) [2014-09-26 10:24:02] ElGranJerry: that was because he didn't get hit on the fight you Rocketroll [2014-09-26 10:24:08] ElGranJerry: :/ [2014-09-26 10:24:14] Ottavino: arf [2014-09-26 10:24:17] ElGranJerry: I saved after hench fight [2014-09-26 10:25:31] Ottavino: if you want to save/load, do it before enter magus castle, window is 1.8 to 2.4 sec [2014-09-26 10:26:20] ElGranJerry: will do [2014-09-26 10:26:50] ElGranJerry: I just thought it worked cause I believe Red added it to the route [2014-09-26 10:26:56] ElGranJerry: save/reload before entering castle (1.5 to 2 seconds) (Fastest), [2014-09-26 10:26:56] ElGranJerry: - OR- save/reload after the Hench fight (3 to 3.7 seconds) (best for backup) [2014-09-26 10:27:02] ElGranJerry: should I remove it? [2014-09-26 10:27:13] ElGranJerry: my load was 3.2 confirmed by vod [2014-09-26 10:27:57] Ottavino: on your vod, what was the damage inflicted by berserked Frog on Flea? [2014-09-26 10:29:22] ElGranJerry: my load was 2.98 rofl [2014-09-26 10:29:41] ElGranJerry: 380 [2014-09-26 10:29:45] ElGranJerry: 1st crit [2014-09-26 10:29:56] Ottavino: so it was wrong rng, damage is always 188 [2014-09-26 10:30:26] Ottavino: or 376 if you save/load after the Hench fight [2014-09-26 10:31:25] Ottavino: if you haven't deleted your save, you can test with the right load if Flea doesn't go wrong [2014-09-26 10:32:08] Ottavino: but when i was testing months ago, when i cured frog after the Hench fight, Flea battle was different [2014-09-26 10:33:21] ElGranJerry: I just got 188, gonna play it out [2014-09-26 10:33:24] ElGranJerry: 3.4 second load [2014-09-26 10:33:34] ElGranJerry: with 188 health [2014-09-26 10:34:20] ElGranJerry: yeah it works out fine [2014-09-26 10:34:30] ElGranJerry: oh no wait [2014-09-26 10:34:46] ElGranJerry: marle got chaos, it didn't work, only lasted 4 attacks [2014-09-26 10:34:57] Ottavino: remove the backup strat ;) [2014-09-26 10:35:03] ElGranJerry: will do haha [2014-09-26 10:35:29] Redslash: Dang, that's news to me. Sorry guys : P [2014-09-26 10:35:52] ElGranJerry: no biggie dude [2014-09-26 10:36:06] Ottavino: np, it's better that it happened today than tomorrow [2014-09-26 10:36:13] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-09-26 10:36:41] ElGranJerry: always learn something new with this game [2014-09-26 10:36:44] Redslash: For sure... [2014-09-26 10:38:31] Redslash: I wonder what condition was making it work then : ) Must be several "wrong" Hench fights where Frog takes damage, so you can safety save~ [2014-09-26 10:39:55] ElGranJerry: most likely [2014-09-26 10:42:47] Redslash: Like, based on the rats in Magic Cave, you'd know if you can delay saving, probably... [2014-09-26 10:43:23] ElGranJerry: I see.. I was on the right RNG but I got into the 2nd rat fight :( [2014-09-26 10:43:25] ElGranJerry: so sad [2014-09-26 10:49:16] Redslash: Ahh sorry dude : ( [2014-09-26 10:50:09] Ottavino: to be safer i skip the bat battle in magic cave by the left [2014-09-26 10:51:41] ElGranJerry: I didn't know you could do that [2014-09-26 10:51:44] ElGranJerry: will check it out [2014-09-26 10:57:57] Ottavino: race in a few hours? [2014-09-26 10:58:45] ElGranJerry: sure [2014-09-26 11:43:41] ElGranJerry: brb, lunch time [2014-09-26 12:26:40] ElGranJerry: ok back, I am ready to race whenever [2014-09-26 12:55:53] ElGranJerry: Is it 1.5 to 1.8 or 1.4 to 1.7 as obda said? [2014-09-26 12:55:56] ElGranJerry: for the last load [2014-09-26 12:57:13] Redslash: It's 1.50 to 1.78 [2014-09-26 12:57:59] Redslash: Ok 1.767 [2014-09-26 13:01:06] ElGranJerry: I'll be back in a lil bit, rain hit hard and we got leaks on the celling lol [2014-09-26 13:01:20] ElGranJerry: patching hype [2014-09-26 13:01:49] Redslash: Ah dang, GL [2014-09-26 13:05:36] Redslash: (No I had it right, 72 is the end of the window: 1.78) [2014-09-26 13:06:19] Ottavino: Redslash scroll setup is the best for the last load [2014-09-26 14:02:25] Redslash: Haha, in Reptite Lair if the guy digs immediately in the right place, we should yolo it... chance to get the Elixir faster than from Guardia Castle X) [2014-09-26 14:03:14] Ottavino: even with an extra battle for the 6tp for marle? [2014-09-26 14:06:15] Redslash: I think you still get 6TP in that hole, a weevil & 2 plant guys [2014-09-26 14:06:57] Redslash: There's 2 weevils in that hole, and you need one of those to dig immediately too, lol [2014-09-26 14:10:02] Ottavino: you need extreme luck (or a way to manipulate it) [2014-09-26 14:11:02] Redslash: Yeah, jumping in that hole would just about guarantee your run dies... but, there's always that small chance [2014-09-26 14:11:08] Redslash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk050037wLM&t=1h06m45s [2014-09-26 14:43:32] Ottavino: if you are earky on magus, to corrent the rng, only missing the 2nd skip works [2014-09-26 14:43:54] Ottavino: early*, correct* [2014-09-26 14:44:34] Ottavino: enemy value 1st battle doesn't jump like the 2nd one [2014-09-26 14:46:05] Ottavino: missing 1st battle skip jumps to 74, 2nd to 79 and we need criticals (if you are at 0C after magus, which happens rarely) [2014-09-26 14:47:50 | Edited 14:48:09] Redslash: Right right, I was just thinking 1 crit isn't much slower than 2 crits, and I find the 1st skip to be harder / take longer to set up [2014-09-26 14:48:43] Redslash: So, that's just my own preference [2014-09-26 14:50:14] Ottavino: if we miss one of the battle skip, what is the best strat for the first battle in tyranno lair? doiing it? with which strat? running axay and do an extra before nizbel II? [2014-09-26 14:52:49] ElGranJerry: gtg buy a new controller since mine died with the water :( [2014-09-26 14:52:53] ElGranJerry: lets see what I can find [2014-09-26 14:53:01] Ottavino: :( [2014-09-26 14:53:01] ElGranJerry: cya later, sorry about the no race [2014-09-26 14:54:39] Ottavino: i don't remember how much damage is ice on reptites [2014-09-26 14:55:18] Ottavino: but if ayla doesn't crit, adding one attack with chrono isn't enough [2014-09-26 14:55:48] Redslash: Oh, I was holding X after Ayla's first hit, so Ayla did crit twice that way : P [2014-09-26 14:56:15] Ottavino: :) [2014-09-26 14:56:23] Redslash: And shoot, that sucks Jerry : ( Hopefully you find a nice replacement controller [2014-09-26 17:45:08] ElGranJerry: My friend has the same logitech one so I will use that :) [2014-09-26 17:46:11] ElGranJerry: saved [2014-09-26 17:46:29] Redslash: Sweet~ [2014-09-26 21:53:01] ElGranJerry: so yeah 99/100 menu glitches with the hold method [2014-09-26 21:53:03] ElGranJerry: so good [2014-09-26 21:53:16] ElGranJerry: hopefully I won't miss tomorrow [2014-09-27 3:51:56] Redslash: Interesting, get hit 2x by Blue Imps (36), won't get hit by any Riders... hesitate the cyclone (AE), can firewhirl 3 Naga-ettes... hesitate Flametoss on the last one (E2), Frog's first move crits. [2014-09-27 3:52:18] Redslash: In the end it's no slower or faster, but the pace feels way different, ha ha [2014-09-27 3:54:13] Ottavino: at 34, you can avoid the rider attack by targeting le left one [2014-09-27 3:55:06] Ottavino: i'm working on slash battle, trying to find a safer strat [2014-09-27 3:55:27] Redslash: Right, I took no hits from the Riders as well when I was timing the normal strat [2014-09-27 3:55:57 | Edited 3:57:17] Redslash: But this sequence I found removes all the risk of getting hit [2014-09-27 3:58:11] Redslash: Ooh, good luck with Slash [2014-09-27 3:59:23] Ottavino: i thought you had 1-2 frames to input the mid tonic on frog, but in fact, you have 8 frames [2014-09-27 4:02:51] Redslash: Yeah whoa, definitely didn't feel quite that small, I haven't had much trouble with it myself [2014-09-27 4:03:16] Redslash: But, maybe there's a condition that makes the window bigger or smaller [2014-09-27 4:05:29] Ottavino: do battles work like the rest of the game, with 4-frames cycles? [2014-09-27 4:06:39] Redslash: That'd be interesting, I'm not sure [2014-09-27 11:03:25] Ottavino: and it's on! [2014-09-27 11:20:59] Ottavino: jerry is on fire! [2014-09-27 11:21:33] DrunkenDraconian: \o/\o/\o/ [2014-09-27 11:21:35] Redslash: Yeah, wowza [2014-09-27 11:29:32] SnesWarrior: Just got in, that lead tho [2014-09-27 11:32:47] Ottavino: about 30 sec ahead jenja and obda [2014-09-27 11:34:05] Ottavino: of* [2014-09-27 11:39:51] SnesWarrior: oh man, everyones so close now [2014-09-27 11:40:37] SnesWarrior: its literally like a 10s pace between each player lol [2014-09-27 11:41:30] Redslash: Pogchamp [2014-09-27 11:41:34] DrunkenDraconian: Kappa [2014-09-27 11:41:38] SnesWarrior: Nooo! Johnny takes another victim! [2014-09-27 11:44:09 | Edited 11:44:17] Nihil922: who got crushed by johnny? [2014-09-27 11:44:15] Ottavino: Obda [2014-09-27 11:44:48] DrunkenDraconian: you can save about 3:30 now otta right? sub3 [2014-09-27 11:45:19] Ottavino: maybe 1:30 for now, sub i think sub 3:02 is possible [2014-09-27 11:46:11] Ottavino: that luck for jerry [2014-09-27 11:46:36] SnesWarrior: omg and they just grouping up Kreygasm [2014-09-27 11:46:52] SnesWarrior: 5 GREEN LOL [2014-09-27 11:46:54] Ottavino: lol [2014-09-27 11:47:19] Redslash: Yo, the run [2014-09-27 11:47:36] SnesWarrior: jeez dude, never even seen it, look how fast that can be [2014-09-27 11:47:53] Ottavino: 1/60 chance [2014-09-27 11:48:37] DrunkenDraconian: bs1 r series [2014-09-27 11:49:02] SnesWarrior: Oo, I didnt notice, go Jerry [2014-09-27 11:49:47] Ottavino: you can mid tonic chrono if they attack before 1st cyclone, keeps this battle safe [2014-09-27 11:50:05] SnesWarrior: I wonder what address your on after such a fast acid fight? And how it affects R-series [2014-09-27 11:50:30] SnesWarrior: Also if the Marle berserk crit has a better chance of happening [2014-09-27 11:51:55] Ottavino: 33 sec ahead for jerry [2014-09-27 11:52:40] Ottavino: i wonder if wii vc is faster than snes/emu [2014-09-27 11:53:25] SnesWarrior: Well, I know one thing, on snes/emu, I could always get a black screen on the active/wait and during the two start inputs for naming crono, definitely can't do that on VC [2014-09-27 11:53:31] SnesWarrior: I cant anyways [2014-09-27 11:55:37] Ottavino: in fact, emu is slower than snes (59.94 for emu, 60.09 for snes), but is wii vc faster than snes? [2014-09-27 12:16:17] DrunkenDraconian: load of destiny lol [2014-09-27 12:19:16] SnesWarrior: lmao [2014-09-27 12:31:46] SnesWarrior: Time to get food story time hype! [2014-09-27 12:34:47] Redslash: They're all in the same cutscene Kappa [2014-09-27 12:35:01] Redslash: Oh, Obda's in the 2nd X) [2014-09-27 12:35:23] Ottavino: yeah, you can lose 8 min in this cutscene Kappa [2014-09-27 12:35:44] SnesWarrior: must mash as fast as you can to save time [2014-09-27 12:36:09] DrunkenDraconian: mash like lttp hover :P [2014-09-27 12:36:46] Ottavino: that moldorm skip [2014-09-27 12:38:09] ElGranJerry: its 1.5 right? [2014-09-27 12:38:15] ElGranJerry: before castle [2014-09-27 12:38:31] Ottavino: 1.8 to 2.4 [2014-09-27 12:39:04] Redslash: 1.5 to 2.1? [2014-09-27 12:39:11] Redslash: It's 1.5 to 2.1 [2014-09-27 12:39:19] Ottavino: (i prefer this window, because i load one time at 63, and it didn't work) [2014-09-27 12:39:35] Redslash: Huh, ok [2014-09-27 12:40:14] Ottavino: you can load at 2 sec to be sure [2014-09-27 12:40:23] ElGranJerry: thk [2014-09-27 12:40:25] ElGranJerry: <3 [2014-09-27 12:44:29] Ottavino: that's what i thought, a little too early :( [2014-09-27 12:47:17] Ottavino: obda is on pace for a 3:05-3:06 [2014-09-27 12:49:22] Ottavino: i see criticals with frog, criticals all the way! [2014-09-27 12:56:47] ElGranJerry: what to do if frog died on slash= [2014-09-27 12:56:55] Ottavino: don't worry [2014-09-27 12:57:03] Redslash: Yeah, should be ok [2014-09-27 12:57:50] Ottavino: maybe some extra attacks on the 1st of the 3 fights, but it doesn't change the rng [2014-09-27 12:58:07] Ottavino: reset only if you don't get the 119 on the last chain [2014-09-27 12:59:13] ElGranJerry: i mean for elixir glitch [2014-09-27 12:59:29] Ottavino: it doesn't change anything [2014-09-27 12:59:55] Ottavino: i have tested at diffrent levels (17, 18, 35 in 100%) [2014-09-27 13:03:31] ElGranJerry: ok txs [2014-09-27 13:06:12] SnesWarrior: I assume Obda got the early magus address? Or did he mess up somewhere [2014-09-27 13:06:47] Ottavino: yeah i think it was the early [2014-09-27 13:12:05] Ottavino: terrasaur time for Obda Kappa [2014-09-27 13:12:09] Redslash: Still doing great, Jerry! =) [2014-09-27 13:12:15] Redslash: This is a pretty good race [2014-09-27 13:12:24] ElGranJerry: i started very good [2014-09-27 13:12:31] ElGranJerry: after zombor just bad [2014-09-27 13:12:47] Ottavino: it's not over, don't worry :) [2014-09-27 13:13:02] ElGranJerry: thx guys :) will do my best [2014-09-27 13:16:25] Ottavino: obda will maybe lose time in sunken desert because he is one or two level higher with the terrasaur fights so 589 isn't the magic number [2014-09-27 13:17:24] Ottavino: and you got the double Kreygasm [2014-09-27 13:17:35] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-27 13:17:42] SnesWarrior: oo I didn't think about that [2014-09-27 13:17:44] ElGranJerry: i will save before terrasaur [2014-09-27 13:24:41] Ottavino: don't forget you have Kiss with ayla [2014-09-27 13:30:14] Ottavino: also: when you ask for planting the seed, don't forget to close the dialog before getting out of the room!!! [2014-09-27 13:30:36] Redslash: True true [2014-09-27 13:41:56] Redslash: Oh my pogchamp [2014-09-27 13:42:18] Redslash: It's a race again [2014-09-27 13:42:31] Ottavino: told you :) [2014-09-27 13:43:02] Redslash: Do you think the Hunting Range is the best recovery? It doesn't take long to get there [2014-09-27 13:43:25] Ottavino: cursed woods is best i think [2014-09-27 13:43:50] Ottavino: i remember the nu in hunting grounds can spawn at 3 different places [2014-09-27 13:44:05] Ottavino: only when it rains [2014-09-27 13:44:15] Redslash: Yeah, you can always catch him though, and the rain is on a set timer [2014-09-27 13:45:13] Ottavino: it's a lot of time just to reach hunting grounds [2014-09-27 13:45:36] Redslash: Mm, you have your Dactyls ready to go at least [2014-09-27 13:46:25] Ottavino: right, but for 2 nus i think cursed woods is still better [2014-09-27 13:46:50] Ottavino: elmagus is ahead! [2014-09-27 13:47:09] Redslash: Could be, I'd have to time it and see what luck you need for it to be better. Killing the extra enemies in Cursed Woods is a pain too [2014-09-27 13:52:23] Ottavino: 2 min 05 lead for elmagus [2014-09-27 13:57:56] Redslash: So, I notice a big way to derail rng during the Shell is to beat the Magus form too fast... [2014-09-27 13:58:26] Ottavino: lol jerry, going to medina instead of leene square happened to me too in a race [2014-09-27 13:58:37] Ottavino: yeah, that's why i do an extra attack with frog [2014-09-27 13:58:59] Redslash: If you're higher level, it's probably a big risk [2014-09-27 13:59:56] Ottavino: i don't think so, there is at least 750 hp before the last fire sword [2014-09-27 14:00:17] Redslash: Ok, gotcha [2014-09-27 14:00:40] Ottavino: if you do the 3 attacks with frog in the 2nd phase you're safe [2014-09-27 14:01:22] Ottavino: with 2 you can finish at b8 if i remembered correctly [2014-09-27 14:01:32] Ottavino: and you don't want b8 :) [2014-09-27 14:01:46] Redslash: Yeah [2014-09-27 14:03:29] Ottavino: ok elmagus did the 3 attacks [2014-09-27 14:11:22] Ottavino: here we go! [2014-09-27 14:16:19] Redslash: Elmagus' load strat turned out cool, actually [2014-09-27 14:16:41] Redslash: Save on all 3 so you don't miss X) [2014-09-27 14:20:53] Redslash: Dang, unfortunate for Jenja : ( [2014-09-27 14:36:10] Redslash: Wow, that elixir glitch. That was neat. [2014-09-27 14:41:41] Redslash: Great job, Jerry! : ) [2014-09-27 14:43:06] ElGranJerry: thx <3 too many chokes rofl [2014-09-27 14:43:10] ElGranJerry: but my start was decent [2014-09-27 14:43:21] ElGranJerry: still 10 min to save on last split lol [2014-09-27 14:43:37] SnesWarrior: Really good for a race man, whatever can go wrong will go wrong lol [2014-09-27 14:44:12] SnesWarrior: You had enough backup knowledge to finish though, so thats impressive in its own right [2014-09-27 14:44:32] ElGranJerry: that Magus Castle was lets play material [2014-09-27 14:44:35] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-09-27 14:45:40] SnesWarrior: Ooo Jenja doesn't know about the critical hp i dont think [2014-09-27 19:33:21] ElGranJerry: how did Jenja end? [2014-09-27 19:55:30] SnesWarrior: Not bad, he got 3:48ish i think? [2014-09-27 19:55:44] ElGranJerry: good [2014-09-27 19:55:52] ElGranJerry: it sucked he got rekt by the final form :/ [2014-09-27 19:56:39] SnesWarrior: Yeah, true, he did really considering he only knew the new route for as long as he did [2014-09-27 19:56:54] SnesWarrior: He was probably the biggest underdog I thought [2014-09-27 19:57:21] SnesWarrior: (I didnt even know he did CT ) [2014-09-27 19:57:43] ElGranJerry: he has a 3:25 [2014-09-27 19:57:44] ElGranJerry: old route [2014-09-27 19:58:07] ElGranJerry: he normally beat elmagus before [2014-09-27 19:58:14] SnesWarrior: I see [2014-09-27 19:58:37] SnesWarrior: I think I only watched him do SoM 2 [2014-09-27 20:00:35] ElGranJerry: I see [2014-09-27 21:46:27] ElGranJerry: Chrono Trigger - Console not emulated, but is playing on keyboard [2014-09-27 21:46:30] ElGranJerry: seems legit [2014-09-27 21:50:05] ElGranJerry: just got banned for pointing it out rofl, oh well, gnight guys. Thanks for helping me out during the race [2014-09-27 21:50:17] ElGranJerry: <3 [2014-09-27 21:58:41] SnesWarrior: night! [2014-09-28 15:54:25] ElGranJerry: sub 3:20 or riot [2014-09-28 15:56:16] Ottavino: good luck jerry! [2014-09-28 19:32:06] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-09-28 19:33:10] ElGranJerry: I really don't understand where I lose so much time between Magus and the end [2014-09-28 19:33:50] ElGranJerry: 2:02 Magus should be maybe 3:15-18 ish? [2014-09-28 19:34:05] ElGranJerry: I was on 3:20 pace until that elixir glitch crap haha [2014-09-28 20:15:48] Redslash: (I'm doin the thing~) [2014-09-29 2:12:30] Redslash: Oh yeah, and here it is https://secure.twitch.tv/redslash/v/47642025 [2014-09-29 2:13:23] Redslash: I didn't manage an attempt from reset tonight, but it was a strong session, and I think I showed the gist of it [2014-09-29 2:37:51] Ottavino: yeah, just saw it :) [2014-09-29 8:35:04] ElGranJerry: :) Stream was pretty good man [2014-09-29 8:35:27] ElGranJerry: btw, is there a way to scroll text faster? Really stupid question [2014-09-29 8:35:43] ElGranJerry: hold L or something haha [2014-09-29 13:54:04] Redslash: Ah, just gotta mash to close boxes asap, can't speed it up as far as I know [2014-09-29 13:54:32] Redslash: (but I will check, heh heh) [2014-09-29 14:01:32] ElGranJerry: haha, I meant like does holding B have something to do? [2014-09-29 14:01:38] ElGranJerry: I always hold b rofl [2014-09-29 14:02:55] Redslash: Yeah, I don't think anything can influence it, the game writes one letter/symbol per frame~ [2014-09-29 14:05:20] Redslash: I don't know if something could make boxes open/close faster though, I haven't found anything [2014-09-29 14:05:57] ElGranJerry: ooh I see [2014-09-29 14:16:09] Redslash: Man, I'm really curious what happened to remove fire resistance on E, and I think Magus taking extra damage from Firesword could be a clue... [2014-09-29 14:17:16] ElGranJerry: oooh, might be [2014-09-29 14:17:33] ElGranJerry: is fire that OP on J? [2014-09-29 14:20:42] Redslash: Oh, talking about the Shell form of Magus taking major damage from that 2nd hit. Works in both versions, only for fire though [2014-09-29 14:21:04] ElGranJerry: ah i see [2014-09-29 14:21:44] Redslash: I just wonder if later we'll find more cool stuff related to de-equip [2014-09-29 14:22:49] ElGranJerry: probably [2014-09-29 14:27:57] Redslash: Like, maybe there's still a way to boost magic on Japanese, heh heh... Just a dream for now~ [2014-09-29 14:30:39] ElGranJerry: if there is then E is dead [2014-09-29 14:35:44] Redslash: I guess, but then the strats and all would get to be identical to E, which would be really nice [2014-09-29 14:36:58] Redslash: Play on one, switch to the other with zero problem~ [2014-09-29 14:37:24] ElGranJerry: yup [2014-09-29 14:37:33] ElGranJerry: just kinda memorize symbols to know what items they are [2014-09-29 14:37:40] ElGranJerry: or know japanese haha [2014-09-29 14:41:19] Redslash: Oh yeah, well consumable items are really all you need to recognize, it isn't too bad [2014-09-29 14:52:20] Ottavino: i think E is different of J because the deequip trick add 10 magic attack and 15 magic def per item deequiped, and these address aren't the same on E and J, need to check [2014-09-29 14:58:52] ElGranJerry: dude, jenja is -4 in his 3:25 and is still behind my 3:23 pb lol [2014-09-29 14:58:55] ElGranJerry: my endgame is shit [2014-09-30 3:28:51] Redslash: Ok, got the Exp/TP calculator thing going (had an issue with array formulas) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K9_xCnzrVOz2EqVcpxA2uXUFRpV9RXrh35cmZ6la9dI [2014-09-30 3:29:19] Redslash: I decided to make it a cheat sheet as well (it's a copy so don't worry) [2014-09-30 3:33:19] DrunkenDraconian: a whole bunch of info there [2014-09-30 3:33:25] DrunkenDraconian: nice one [2014-09-30 3:38:34] Redslash: Aye, thank you. I'd add more but it's already pretty dense, ha ha [2014-09-30 3:48:55] Redslash: Oh yeah and there's a crit checker tool, so if for some reason you need to figure out where you are, you can play out some attacks. Kinda useless : ) [2014-09-30 4:01:55] Redslash: It'd be cool to make a more flexible sheet (insert more battles on the fly), maybe even calculate damage... but I'm good for now [2014-09-30 4:02:46] DrunkenDraconian: being able to "find it again" seems sweet for my no S&Q dream run [2014-09-30 4:09:52] Redslash: Oh yeah, could be. It's also a bit nice for routing, if you have a small sequence in mind and want to see where it's possible [2014-09-30 4:11:57] DrunkenDraconian: i've been taking a bit of a break, I'm looking to get back into it later today [2014-09-30 4:12:20] DrunkenDraconian: or i may just play chrono cross sinse i picked it up the other day [2014-09-30 4:14:47] Redslash: Ooh, right on, both good choices [2014-09-30 8:50:46] Nihil922: im curious about the critical table, what exactly advances your position? [2014-09-30 9:04:36] ElGranJerry: I believe every attack you do advances it and I think getting into battles as well [2014-09-30 9:04:44] ElGranJerry: but redslash can answer that better :P [2014-09-30 9:04:48] Nihil922: tech attacks as well? [2014-09-30 9:06:05] ElGranJerry: Tech attacks shouldn't change it iirc [2014-09-30 9:07:42] Nihil922: i see [2014-09-30 9:08:29] Ottavino: Only attacks which hits advances, and this value is set as the battle value [2014-09-30 9:11:34] Ottavino: Per example, at the first battle versus the 3 imps, if we start with no save, battle value is 00 and critical value is 00: we get a hit on 00, a critical on 01, a hit on 02 [2014-09-30 9:14:09] Nihil922: ok, im interested in testing if theres a good backup strat if you get caught by the guards before dragon tank [2014-09-30 9:15:19] Nihil922: without reseting, or if you should just use the old firewhirl strats [2014-09-30 9:16:50] ElGranJerry: would be nice if we had a strat there [2014-09-30 9:16:59] ElGranJerry: I tried something new earlier today but I died [2014-09-30 9:17:06] ElGranJerry: was 40 damage off :/ [2014-09-30 9:18:59] ElGranJerry: So Ottavino, after when we enter the 2 poly fight (2nd battle in the game) the battle value is 2 because it was the crit value in the 3 imp fight? [2014-09-30 9:19:02] Ottavino: If we don't get caught, with this route, 7E29AD is at 4A for dragon tank. What is this address if we get caught one time by the guard? [2014-09-30 9:20:01] ElGranJerry: let me check that [2014-09-30 9:20:29] ElGranJerry: I don't have a save closeby :( [2014-09-30 9:22:10] Ottavino: The battle value is 34 for the 2 poly fight, because the battle value is set on the enemy value (7E0026) of the last fight [2014-09-30 9:30:35] ElGranJerry: 7E29AD would be 6D. I killed the guard with 2 cyclones if that has something to do [2014-09-30 9:33:00] ElGranJerry: You get different outputs to call it that way depending on the guard [2014-09-30 9:36:35] ElGranJerry: Caught by 1st guard (6B if killed by crit, 6D if 2 cyclones) and 2nd guard (70 if killed by crit and 72 if 2 cyclones) [2014-09-30 11:54:37] Ottavino: I don't know for you, but I have much trouble to skip the 2nd guard [2014-09-30 11:58:41] Ottavino: Crits are 71, 74 then 77 to 7B for Lucca, 7A and 7B for chrono, so I think it's faster if you kill the 2nd guard with a crit, and probably the 3-fire whirl strat for d tank [2014-09-30 12:47:30] ElGranJerry: yeah, the 2nd guard is the hard one [2014-09-30 12:47:45] ElGranJerry: yup, I can't see any faster strat thatn the fire whirl one [2014-09-30 12:48:00] ElGranJerry: unless we can maybe Cyclone + Lucca Attack [2014-09-30 12:48:23] ElGranJerry: but idk really [2014-09-30 13:06:07] Ottavino: Problem is if the head is alive, it counter-heals if chrono do cyclone [2014-09-30 13:06:27] ElGranJerry: oh yeah, I forgot about that [2014-09-30 20:28:17] ElGranJerry: I got to shell final phase with crono 1 lvl less and destruction rain killed all my party :( [2014-09-30 20:28:54] ElGranJerry: Crono dying to retinite is not gut [2014-09-30 20:35:01] Redslash: Yeah crazy... if he dies at Tyrano or in the Desert anywhere, he's down a lot of Exp... [2014-09-30 20:35:59] Redslash: Maybe buying him a Vigilhat (sell Megalixir) would be the backup... [2014-09-30 20:47:18] Redslash: Even with proper levels, I did think they could die to the Rain in bad RNG, not sure which windows though [2014-10-01 11:05:19] ElGranJerry: dude [2014-10-01 11:05:24] ElGranJerry: that just happened to me then [2014-10-01 11:05:34] SnesWarrior: I was literally thinking, what a coincidence lol [2014-10-01 11:08:01] ElGranJerry: what a pos lol [2014-10-01 11:08:57] ElGranJerry: That 2 bat fight in the magic cave idk what to do about it [2014-10-01 11:09:10] ElGranJerry: When I try going to the left I get caught 90% of the times [2014-10-01 11:09:17] ElGranJerry: and on the right side it seems kinds random [2014-10-01 11:09:47] SnesWarrior: Hmm, I get it consistently on the right side, theres a bit of tactics to it tho [2014-10-01 11:10:24] SnesWarrior: When you see frog pick up the sword, I start holding down-right immediately, that way you get into the first fight as fast as possible [2014-10-01 11:10:34] SnesWarrior: If you just do that, im pretty sure the timing works out every time [2014-10-01 11:10:39] Ottavino: When you go left, do you move between the rat and the bats? [2014-10-01 11:10:58] SnesWarrior: (Unless the bats are moving during the Frog/Robo dialog, but I'm pretty sure they aren't [2014-10-01 11:11:14] ElGranJerry: I seem to be caught always if I do that [2014-10-01 11:11:18] ElGranJerry: I go between rat and wall [2014-10-01 11:12:00] Ottavino: Between rat and wall I get caught, but not between rat and bats [2014-10-01 11:12:45] SnesWarrior: For a safe but slow strat, you can exit the room and re-enter after the first fight and you'll be way ahead of the normal window and have plenty of time [2014-10-01 11:13:00] SnesWarrior: The first fight is a one time only fight [2014-10-01 11:13:34] ElGranJerry: will try the between rat and bats, idk why I was getting caught there [2014-10-01 11:13:54] ElGranJerry: If I can't seem to get it I will just go out and in on my next run there I get it 100% [2014-10-01 11:16:06 | Removed 12:40:37] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2014-10-01 11:16:38] SnesWarrior: You too man, study hard ^^ [2014-10-01 12:39:06] ElGranJerry: hehe, apparently I had an exam but it was ezpz [2014-10-01 12:40:59] ElGranJerry: Gonna bring in more runners to the group in a bit [2014-10-01 12:58:19] ElGranJerry: SRWatcher: it's going good, i was thinking if someone could make a banner for the wiki or something [2014-10-01 12:58:19] ElGranJerry: 14:49 TimeoutBan SRWatcher: not sure who to ask [2014-10-01 12:58:26] ElGranJerry: any idea who could help to make a leaderboards banner? [2014-10-01 13:01:16] Nihil922: what size? [2014-10-01 13:03:52] ElGranJerry: any size as long as it looks good. It's for having on our twitch pages to link to the site [2014-10-01 13:31:45] Nihil922: http://imgur.com/j219exD [2014-10-01 13:32:01] Nihil922: tell me if text should be different [2014-10-01 13:32:13] DrunkenDraconian: nice [2014-10-01 13:32:20] Ottavino: lol, i made one too, with the same background [2014-10-01 13:32:26] Nihil922: haha, nice [2014-10-01 13:32:31] ElGranJerry: hehe [2014-10-01 13:32:34] Ottavino: i test it now on my channel [2014-10-01 13:32:35] ElGranJerry: looks nice [2014-10-01 13:33:15] Nihil922: maybe it should read leaderboards instead of speedruns? [2014-10-01 13:33:32] ElGranJerry: That would be better [2014-10-01 13:33:48] ElGranJerry: so we don't need to add text explaining what it is [2014-10-01 13:34:11] ElGranJerry: althought that Chrono Speedruns sign looks nice [2014-10-01 13:34:31] Ottavino: mine was: http://imgur.com/zY4XnuU [2014-10-01 13:36:16] ElGranJerry: oooh, looks greaat [2014-10-01 13:36:52] Ottavino: but the font is too small i think [2014-10-01 13:37:03] DrunkenDraconian: I like the idea of only using "Chrono" to include both games [2014-10-01 13:37:28] Ottavino: yeah dd, that's what i thought seeing nihil one [2014-10-01 13:37:54] ElGranJerry: yeah ottavino, I believe text is a bit small [2014-10-01 13:37:58] ElGranJerry: just saw it on your channel [2014-10-01 13:38:39] Nihil922: http://imgur.com/8E1oj4s [2014-10-01 13:39:47] Redslash: Dang, sweet banners you guys [2014-10-01 13:43:55] ElGranJerry: Pretty sweet Nihil :) [2014-10-01 13:45:11] Nihil922: thanks [2014-10-01 13:49:53] Ottavino: yeah, nihil one rocks :) [2014-10-01 13:50:30] SnesWarrior: Banner looks great >.> Well done [2014-10-01 13:50:52] SnesWarrior: <--- needs to l2photoshop [2014-10-01 13:51:11] Nihil922: i used to do forum banners years ago, so i learned a lot of stuff back then [2014-10-01 14:00:48] Redslash: Ok, I'm gonna take down those mini bio's I have on my Twitch... sorry Otta X) [2014-10-01 14:01:14] Ottavino: np ^^ [2014-10-01 14:01:42] Ottavino: i have to make mine [2014-10-01 14:02:47] Redslash: Right on =) [2014-10-01 14:03:45] Redslash: Wrote that back when I was too nervous to explain to chat who important people were, when they'd pop in to watch, ha ha [2014-10-01 14:05:42] ElGranJerry: hehe [2014-10-01 14:06:01] ElGranJerry: that feel when you start streaming [2014-10-01 15:36:31] Redslash: I notice that playing video on my stream brought the framerate down, but I just couldn't figure out what to put there [2014-10-01 15:37:12 | Edited 15:38:54] Redslash: So, I made... a powerpoint slideshow, ha ha... I hope it's dorky enough [2014-10-01 15:51:55] ElGranJerry: hehe [2014-10-01 15:52:04] ElGranJerry: sounds gut [2014-10-01 18:06:01] *** ElgranJerry added Obdajr *** [2014-10-01 18:09:46] ElGranJerry: Just softlocked on DTank, 2nd time that happens [2014-10-01 18:10:03] ElGranJerry: I think it might be an emu thing... [2014-10-01 18:10:30] ElGranJerry: also welcome Obda :) [2014-10-01 18:11:44] SnesWarrior: Oh dang, welcome to Club Sub3 or Riot Obda! [2014-10-01 18:13:59] Obdajr: herro all [2014-10-01 18:14:24] Obdajr: imma blindly add everyone in here as contacts [2014-10-01 18:24:15] Redslash: Hi, welcome! [2014-10-01 20:20:34] ElGranJerry: as soon as obda steams my internet craps out and I need to watch on mobile lmao [2014-10-01 20:20:41] ElGranJerry: and it even buffers [2014-10-01 20:46:40] Ottavino: hey Obda, welcome! [2014-10-01 21:02:59] ElGranJerry: Is there a way to close the naming character screens on the 1st frame? [2014-10-01 22:21:22] Obdajr: mash start lol [2014-10-01 22:22:02] Obdajr: there might be a nice timing when you can hold the button, mihgt be worth looking into [2014-10-01 22:29:49] Redslash: Neat idea, I just checked it, mash only as far as I can tell [2014-10-01 22:34:21] Redslash: It'd be awesome to find more input buffers in this game, there's already so many [2014-10-01 22:41:43] Ottavino: found a weird glitch for chrono, if you hold B and start before his naming, you can't rename him [2014-10-01 22:42:51] Redslash: Lol wow, this is funny [2014-10-01 22:43:50] Redslash: Use it to shave a character off his name X) [2014-10-01 22:44:39] Redslash: Seems to work for everyone, lol [2014-10-01 23:20:16 | Removed 23:54:17] Redslash: This message has been removed. [2014-10-01 23:24:55 | Edited 23:54:00] Redslash: Another theory is I'm too tired to be playing right now [2014-10-02 0:21:40] Redslash: Anyway, more people should test out the "Blue Imps hit twice" string, it's at least as fast but way easier... Crono crits Roly, delay first Cyclone (no risk of taking hit), Firewhirl left 3 Nagaettes (Flametoss after 4th laughs), Frog crit left guy (Crono + Lucca attack after Firewhirl) [2014-10-02 0:22:15] Ottavino: yeah i tested it this morning [2014-10-02 0:23:01] Ottavino: it's even, or faster do you think? [2014-10-02 0:43:12] Redslash: I timed it to be even with the current string cancelling the Roly's attack, but it should be double-checked [2014-10-02 0:43:48] Ottavino: ok, will do it today [2014-10-02 0:45:07] Ottavino: i also tried a strat for these battles like the kilaye' s tas one, but nothing convincing for now :( [2014-10-02 0:58:05] Redslash: I've messed with that too, you can go 34-6A-B5 consistently, but without attack cancelling it isn't really fast... [2014-10-02 1:29:37] Ottavino: ok, found a new route which saves at least 10 sec at the beginning [2014-10-02 1:30:20] *** *** [2014-10-02 2:16:39] Ottavino: i've changed the nagaette fight and the next one, 5 more second saved [2014-10-02 2:16:53] *** *** [2014-10-02 2:18:13] Ottavino: it wasn't 10 sec but 7-8, so i think ~13 sec saved in total with this route [2014-10-02 2:50:58] Ottavino: oops, made a mistake with the last fight, you can have one less enemy attack if frog attacks the left one instead of the right one [2014-10-02 2:53:43] Nihil922: whats your emulator version? [2014-10-02 2:53:57] Ottavino: snes9x 1.51 [2014-10-02 2:54:06] Ottavino: v7 svn 147 [2014-10-02 2:57:03] Ottavino: the last fight is tricky, you need to enter the little room by pressing only up, not up/left, or you get another outcome [2014-10-02 2:58:23] Ottavino: 600 ad is ~4 sec slower, but 1000 ad is ~17 sec faster [2014-10-02 7:21:10] ElGranJerry: could you send the start2 file again ottavino? My internet crash and it did not download :/ [2014-10-02 7:29:06] *** *** [2014-10-02 7:29:09] Nihil922: i got it [2014-10-02 7:30:11] ElGranJerry: Thanks Nihil <3 [2014-10-02 7:37:10] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwX1lyd1F2aDR5b0k/edit?usp=sharing latest update (with the right last fight) here [2014-10-02 7:37:42] ElGranJerry: thanks ottavino <3 [2014-10-02 7:37:54] ElGranJerry: so basically the 17 seconds come from not getting PT in 1000 and no menuing there [2014-10-02 7:38:25] Ottavino: yes [2014-10-02 8:02:22] Ottavino: :( the nagaette battle isn't the same on wii vc... [2014-10-02 8:02:53] Ottavino: i've to work, be back in a few hours [2014-10-02 8:03:27] ElGranJerry: That sucks :/ [2014-10-02 8:03:28] ElGranJerry: Have a good day [2014-10-02 8:29:44] SnesWarrior: Omg Otta, I love that intro, as well as the menuing during the Yakra skip. Pretty sure that blows my current idea for doing load manip at the beggining of the game out of the water. I'm still gonna see if I cant modify it with similar strats, I'm actually beggining to think it may be possible to kill all 4 nagas with flame toss (maybe 3 with one toss and then 1 for the last) Gonna play around with that tonight [2014-10-02 8:32:10] SnesWarrior: Also, I'm fooling around with a few techniques to make SA glitch faster in some areas. I found out if you take SA, and save drectly on top of the trigger for the next room. When you load your save file and make a move in any direction, it activates the trigger for the room, but not UNTIL you move. Going to try and use this to make a new Heckran setup [2014-10-02 9:32:47] *** ElgranJerry added eLmaGus *** [2014-10-02 14:38:58] Redslash: Yo what a sick strat, damage cancelling really makes a difference. Switching up the tabs is brilliant too, and I didn't think to combine 2-on-blue with the TAS sequence... now we gotta shoot for a "bad" y-position to get hit sooner X) [2014-10-02 14:39:31] ElGranJerry: I was just testing the Y position thing lol [2014-10-02 14:40:03] ElGranJerry: doesn't seem it would save but a couple of frames though [2014-10-02 14:40:28] ElGranJerry: but its easier since you just hold X and get hit by 2 [2014-10-02 14:41:09] Redslash: Right yeah, ha ha. You'd still want to wait regardless, but cutting the wait down is good [2014-10-02 14:41:21] *** *** [2014-10-02 14:41:36] Ottavino: that's what happen on wii :( [2014-10-02 14:42:53] Ottavino: the nagaette targeted comes down a liitle after [2014-10-02 14:44:32] Redslash: I actually found out I was using a bad rom before, when I played the movie the bats caught you, lol... [2014-10-02 14:45:05] Redslash: And when I tried a different rom I noticed right off that the Naga-ettes behaved differently [2014-10-02 14:45:51] Redslash: So maybe... there could be a rom out there that's close to the VC version. Who knows [2014-10-02 14:47:07] Ottavino: can emulator dolphin play vc? [2014-10-02 14:48:59] eLmaGus: are we 1:02 Masa & Mune yet? (y) [2014-10-02 14:52:03] Ottavino: hey eLmaGus, welcome! sub 1:05 maybe :) [2014-10-02 14:52:25] eLmaGus: yeah i already saw the new start [2014-10-02 15:24:45] Redslash: Welcome, Elmagus! [2014-10-02 15:25:04] eLmaGus: heyhey [2014-10-02 15:28:46] Redslash: So, depending on when I start holding X before the fight, I can get the Naga-ettes to move like on VC... [2014-10-02 15:29:52] eLmaGus: can somebody send me that VC video? i had to cancel because it stopped loading for me [2014-10-02 15:30:21] Ottavino: i will upload it on drive, skype is way too slow [2014-10-02 15:30:41] eLmaGus: sounds good [2014-10-02 15:32:37] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwRmdzbnJ3WDYxeDg/edit?usp=sharing [2014-10-02 15:33:15] eLmaGus: ty [2014-10-02 15:37:19] eLmaGus: feisty naga-ettes [2014-10-02 15:39:50] ElGranJerry: ok, I just got a weird Naga fight as well. Suspecting I hit X waaay too late [2014-10-02 15:46:25] ElGranJerry: Yeah I was hitting X way too late, getting it good now. Sucks Nagas are weird in VC :/ [2014-10-02 15:47:54] eLmaGus: 2 fire whirls instead of firewhirl/flametoss should work though right? [2014-10-02 15:48:34] Ottavino: it's way longer [2014-10-02 15:48:39] ElGranJerry: longer animation [2014-10-02 15:48:42] eLmaGus: well yeah [2014-10-02 15:48:45] eLmaGus: but i mean [2014-10-02 15:48:49] eLmaGus: what options do you have [2014-10-02 15:48:51] Ottavino: for this fight, and for the next one [2014-10-02 15:49:02] Ottavino: buy a snes us Kappa [2014-10-02 15:49:14] eLmaGus: i like that [2014-10-02 15:49:45] eLmaGus: let me see maybe i can get something similiar to happen on SNES [2014-10-02 16:09:39] Redslash: Ok yeah, there's an 8-frame window where the rightmost attacks first [2014-10-02 16:10:03] Redslash: 24-16 frames before gaining control of Crono, pretty late [2014-10-02 16:11:29] Ottavino: i have maybe find a way to fix this on vc, testing it now [2014-10-02 16:11:52] Ottavino: found* [2014-10-02 16:27:45] Ottavino: doesn't work... [2014-10-02 16:28:02] ElGranJerry: ;( [2014-10-02 16:59:40] Redslash: Dang, dude... the strat's just too powerful [2014-10-02 17:00:18] Ottavino: and i find a (very hard) way to do it on wii vc :) [2014-10-02 17:07:41] Redslash: Hehe, that's good at least [2014-10-02 17:10:15] Ottavino: you need to delay the timing of pressing X [2014-10-02 17:10:54] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwb1hUR1dnQ0k0SEU/view?usp=sharing [2014-10-02 17:13:02] Ottavino: (i also find a setup to practice this fight, do the 1st fight in guardia forest, save, load at 4x, run away from the 3 birds fight, you're at 81 (same battle as 74), do the 2nd fight in guardia forest) [2014-10-02 17:13:58] Ottavino: (because I can't take this 10 min intro anymore...) [2014-10-02 17:18:11] Redslash: Oh yeah, I was also loading at 3.1 outside the Cathedral, but that load (1.9) may be easier [2014-10-02 17:18:44] Redslash: Oh, and if you want to practice the other one too [2014-10-02 17:18:59] Ottavino: ok, last fight seems to be working [2014-10-02 17:20:06] Redslash: That's really interesting, how long do you delay? Up until that last 1/4 second maybe? [2014-10-02 17:20:35] Ottavino: yeah, i wanted B5 for nagaettes and not another value [2014-10-02 17:20:42] Ottavino: i use an audio cue [2014-10-02 17:21:09] Redslash: I see, right on [2014-10-02 17:22:30] Ottavino: battle theme is based on a bar of 4 beats, i press X on the 4th beat [2014-10-02 17:29:28] eLmaGus: anybody gonna do a run tonight? [2014-10-02 17:29:32] eLmaGus: i need ruuuuuuuuuuns [2014-10-02 17:31:01] ElGranJerry: not me :/ [2014-10-02 17:47:59] Redslash: I might go ahead and do like a bad practice run [2014-10-02 17:48:14] eLmaGus: Pog [2014-10-02 17:48:32] eLmaGus: i have been so bored for the past 3 hours [2014-10-02 17:48:42] eLmaGus: i practiced the new start for 2 hours and then i went into sleep mode [2014-10-02 17:54:53] ElGranJerry: hehe that makes us too [2014-10-02 17:54:57] ElGranJerry: but it's only 8 pm here lol [2014-10-02 17:55:01] ElGranJerry: *two [2014-10-02 18:10:37] Obdajr: just watched the naga ette fight (last vid): very cool, is there any other different setup before the fight? [2014-10-02 18:10:49] Obdajr: tldr everythin :) [2014-10-02 18:11:38] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwX1lyd1F2aDR5b0k/edit?usp=sharing a .smv file with the new route [2014-10-02 18:11:49] Obdajr: thanks [2014-10-02 18:12:27] Obdajr: bleh is that a emulator vid? [2014-10-02 18:12:40] Ottavino: yeah [2014-10-02 18:12:53] Obdajr: i always have trouble trying to ge tthose to work [2014-10-02 18:12:58] eLmaGus: i have a 50MB recording of that if that helps [2014-10-02 18:13:09] eLmaGus: because i couldnt watch the dialogue anymore [2014-10-02 18:13:44] Obdajr: sure [2014-10-02 18:14:04] Obdajr: i just got off work and am lazy lol [2014-10-02 18:14:38] eLmaGus: gimme a sec [2014-10-02 18:16:32] eLmaGus: http://www.file-upload.net/download-9609147/Chrono-Trigger-New-Start.mp4.html [2014-10-02 18:19:16] eLmaGus: did you get it? the site is being weird for me [2014-10-02 18:19:26] Obdajr: yeah i got it [2014-10-02 18:19:30] eLmaGus: cool [2014-10-02 18:23:25] Obdajr: so attack kickd attack(c) kickd attack, skip power tab; fight 3: crit mid hold x, get power tab, fight 2: lucca attack right(C) hold x [2014-10-02 18:23:30] Obdajr: damnit emots [2014-10-02 18:23:41] Obdajr: coffee = crit [2014-10-02 18:24:20] eLmaGus: i agree on coffee being critical [2014-10-02 18:24:53] eLmaGus: for the 3 imps mid or bottom works [2014-10-02 18:25:00] eLmaGus: at least on SNES dunno about VC [2014-10-02 18:25:09] eLmaGus: the riders* [2014-10-02 18:25:15] Obdajr: ok [2014-10-02 18:25:28] eLmaGus: VC seems to have issues with the naga's as previously mentioned [2014-10-02 18:25:36] Obdajr: yeah [2014-10-02 18:25:48] eLmaGus: for the 2 riders its crucial to wait before attacking with lucca [2014-10-02 18:26:08] eLmaGus: i think if you do everything right both should roll in a circle once and you attack when they face left [2014-10-02 18:26:24] Obdajr: well that's annoying [2014-10-02 18:26:46] Ottavino: for the 2 riders, you can know with the damage: lucca 36 or 38, chrono 19, chrono 19 [2014-10-02 18:26:58] eLmaGus: yeah the important part is crono 19/19 [2014-10-02 18:27:05] eLmaGus: i got it to work with Lucca 36 [2014-10-02 18:27:08] Ottavino: if chrono do 21/20, you're too early [2014-10-02 18:27:12] eLmaGus: indeed [2014-10-02 18:29:04] Obdajr: then you have to wait on holding x for the nagaettes? [2014-10-02 18:29:10] Obdajr: im surprised that matters [2014-10-02 18:29:28] eLmaGus: same it seems weird to me [2014-10-02 18:30:17] Obdajr: but that fight is the main benefit of this whole set up right? [2014-10-02 18:31:05] eLmaGus: that and you get all your menuing done on the reload [2014-10-02 18:31:14] eLmaGus: well before the reload [2014-10-02 18:31:44] Ottavino: this route saves ~13 secs because we don't need to take the power tab in 1000ad [2014-10-02 18:32:02] eLmaGus: and instead of 2 equip menus you have 1 [2014-10-02 18:32:14] ElGranJerry: [Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:58] Ottavino: [2014-10-02 18:32:14] ElGranJerry: <<< 600 ad is ~4 sec slower, but 1000 ad is ~17 sec faster [2014-10-02 18:32:37] Obdajr: are we only getting 1 power tab total then? [2014-10-02 18:32:44] Obdajr: wait let me finish the vid i guess [2014-10-02 18:32:45] eLmaGus: the cathedral tab is back [2014-10-02 18:32:52] Obdajr: oh ok that makes sense then [2014-10-02 18:36:08] Ottavino: the problem with this route seems to be the nagaette fight on vc: on emu, the 3rd nagaette after the critical comes down with the others; on vc, the 3rd nagaette after the critical waits a little before coming down and can't be targeted with the fire whirl. you will tell me if you have also this problem or if it's just me [2014-10-02 18:38:27] Ottavino: it's possible on vc to have the same fight as emu by pressing X at the right time, but it makes this fight harder [2014-10-02 18:39:00] Obdajr: but you found an audio queue for it right? [2014-10-02 18:39:51] Ottavino: yeah, if you're musician, battle theme has a time signature of 4/4 (measure of 4 beats), i press X on the 4th beat [2014-10-02 18:40:28] Ottavino: even with that, the timing for inputing the fire whirl is tricky [2014-10-02 18:41:41] Obdajr: so .. so bear with me here: chichachi do di do, ( di ) do di, do di do, di do do like that? [2014-10-02 18:41:53] Obdajr: probably not [2014-10-02 18:42:10] eLmaGus: ^ this made me laugh harder than it should have [2014-10-02 18:42:26] Obdajr: =P [2014-10-02 18:42:41] Ottavino: press X on the do after the (di) [2014-10-02 18:42:51] Obdajr: oh nice i was close [2014-10-02 18:44:38] Obdajr: i wonder how large the window is [2014-10-02 18:44:52] Ottavino: i uploaded 2 videos: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwRmdzbnJ3WDYxeDg/edit?usp=sharing is the fight if you hold X as usual, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwb1hUR1dnQ0k0SEU/view?usp=sharing is the fight with the delayed X [2014-10-02 18:48:26] Obdajr: i guess as backup, you lose ~7 seconds to attacks and have to wing the hench fight [2014-10-02 18:49:07] eLmaGus: sounds about right [2014-10-02 18:50:18] Obdajr: ironicly the second vid is longer Kreygasm [2014-10-02 18:51:51] Ottavino: i also wrote a setup if you want to practice this nagaette fight: do the 1st fight in guardia forest, save, load at 4x (like medina village before -65M), run away from the 3 birds fight (without getting attacked), do the 2nd fight in guardia forest [2014-10-02 18:52:30] Obdajr: yeah i saw that [2014-10-02 18:52:37] eLmaGus: dont be like me and start resetting out of reflex in runs though [2014-10-02 18:53:03] Obdajr: sub 3:10 the dream [2014-10-02 18:53:49] eLmaGus: sub 3:10 should be a formality at this point [2014-10-02 18:53:55] eLmaGus: hopefully [2014-10-02 18:54:04] eLmaGus: if i can keep my fingers to myself [2014-10-02 18:54:12] Obdajr: lewd [2014-10-02 18:55:31] Obdajr: i need to practice the last hour a bunch [2014-10-02 18:55:55] ElGranJerry: same [2014-10-02 18:56:04] ElGranJerry: 2:02 magus shouldnt be 2:23 lol [2014-10-02 18:56:15] ElGranJerry: Retinite sucks [2014-10-02 18:56:48] Obdajr: ive had good magus' castles lately, but thinking like that leads to complacency [2014-10-02 18:57:27] eLmaGus: yeah with me its the opposite [2014-10-02 18:57:33] eLmaGus: my beginnings are so baaaaaaaaaaad [2014-10-02 18:57:43] eLmaGus: and i start to play okay in magus castle [2014-10-02 18:57:52] Obdajr: i usually do well and die somewhere stupid [2014-10-02 18:58:18] Obdajr: or lose to johnny [2014-10-02 18:58:30] eLmaGus: man thats becoming a trend [2014-10-02 18:58:36] eLmaGus: jenja lost a race aswell 2 days ago [2014-10-02 18:58:38] Obdajr: its kinda the worst [2014-10-02 18:58:38] eLmaGus: jerry threw one too [2014-10-02 18:58:44] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-10-02 18:58:44] eLmaGus: im scared now [2014-10-02 18:59:17] ElGranJerry: also, you can die to destruction rain if you're on a bad rng string [2014-10-02 18:59:28] ElGranJerry: 1 hit [2014-10-02 18:59:36] eLmaGus: yeah that one surprised me [2014-10-02 18:59:36] ElGranJerry: even if fully leveled :/ [2014-10-02 18:59:40] eLmaGus: especially that ayla got killed [2014-10-02 18:59:45] Obdajr: thats unnerving [2014-10-02 19:00:23] ElGranJerry: shouldn't happen really, I got hit by Dark Matter in Magus shell phase lmao [2014-10-03 2:14:44] Redslash: Alright really good practice run, got to final shell with 40000g... luckily Lavos takes bribes [2014-10-03 2:15:01] Redslash: That's what I get for not streaming, lol [2014-10-03 2:15:47] Obdajr: ouch [2014-10-03 2:16:16] Obdajr: lavos confused you 15 minutes early [2014-10-03 2:18:13] Redslash: Ha ha, yeah. I just got really preoccupied thinking about the money route [2014-10-03 2:20:11] Redslash: I've been thinking the fewer chests we get from the Desert the better, so troublesome moving around in there [2014-10-03 2:21:13] Obdajr: yeah its tough though, most of those chests yield a tonne of money [2014-10-03 2:21:41] Obdajr: I can see grabbing something else in guardia castle [2014-10-03 2:22:51] Redslash: Well, I also get by fine with 11 Fulltonics (not getting the one in the Desert either) [2014-10-03 2:23:12] Redslash: That's enough for everyone before Retinite, and 2 extra for backup on the Shell [2014-10-03 2:23:42] Obdajr: honestly you only need like 2 [2014-10-03 2:23:56] Obdajr: can use mids for all menuing [2014-10-03 2:24:54] Obdajr: or even marle cure [2014-10-03 2:25:43] Redslash: Right, I used to just get the 2, and use Cure in the Shell fight, but that's when I was buying 2 Vigil and 1 Sight [2014-10-03 2:25:52] Obdajr: yea [2014-10-03 2:27:24] Obdajr: probably only need 11 mid tonics earlier too [2014-10-03 2:28:44] Redslash: Ah, I actually don't buy anything else, even though it's totally not a good idea X) [2014-10-03 2:29:44] Redslash: I just love how the game gives you the bare minimum, in chests you run right past, it's hard to part with [2014-10-03 2:31:57] Redslash: I buy later in the game if I had to use any for emergency [2014-10-03 2:38:37 | Edited 2:45:02] Redslash: Shelters are the only tight thing, I'd love to cut the use before Magus somehow (along with Doomfinger) [2014-10-03 4:18:56] Ottavino: YYYYEEEAAAAHHH i found an easier method to get the good nagaette fight on vc: before this battle, 4 flames appear, then these flames transform into nagaette with these sounds (tou tou tou TOU), press X on the TOU [2014-10-03 4:19:20] Obdajr: niiice [2014-10-03 4:22:53] Ottavino: no, it doesn't work... :( [2014-10-03 4:23:22] Ottavino: got it three times in a row, then doesn't work after, this game... [2014-10-03 5:54:48] Ottavino: i tried on emulator dolphin and finally figured it out! the nagaette battle depends on the y-position you start it! [2014-10-03 6:05:42] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwNGJPSHNUa1RtNmM/view?usp=sharing (no need to wait like i did, it's just to show where you need to press A) [2014-10-03 6:09:16] Ottavino: i thought of another improvement: removing the save at medina village, but not successful for now. battle value after masamune will be 09, or if it's 0D, no need to save/load at medina village, so reworking masamune battle can maybe save time [2014-10-03 8:17:36] ElGranJerry: so I keep gettin 20 20 on the Poly fight, think emulator savestates might be affecting it in some way? [2014-10-03 8:17:45] ElGranJerry: leads to bad nagaettes [2014-10-03 8:18:27] ElGranJerry: ok no, I just suck. Had to do with timing [2014-10-03 8:33:55] Ottavino: I use an audio cue for this battle: the intro of battle theme music is played 2 times, I press X after the first note of the 2nd time [2014-10-03 8:53:26] ElGranJerry: yeah, that cue is great man! [2014-10-03 8:53:38] ElGranJerry: I was getting the 20 because I didn't hold x after Lucca attack [2014-10-03 18:00:59] Ottavino: I found a new zombor skip, way harder, but 16 sec faster [2014-10-03 18:01:45] DrunkenDraconian: pause buffering instead of save/load? [2014-10-03 18:01:55] DrunkenDraconian: i thought about that the other day [2014-10-03 18:02:30] Ottavino: still save/load, with one extra save/load to skip the first dialogue [2014-10-03 18:03:01] Ottavino: will make a video [2014-10-03 18:16:28] Redslash: I checked out the Flea thing too... Frog simply can't have more HP than Marle, lol [2014-10-03 18:17:00] Redslash: Frog at max and giving Marle the Earring works fine [2014-10-03 18:24:10] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwUFd2dF81TlkzSW8/view?usp=sharing [2014-10-03 18:25:38] Ottavino: you need to release B quickly for both movements [2014-10-03 18:28:57] Redslash: Dang, that's incredible, see ya Captain [2014-10-03 18:29:20] Ottavino: of course, you stilll need the jerky [2014-10-03 18:30:05] Redslash: Right right, you get to keep it though? [2014-10-03 18:31:16] Redslash: I mean, not like it's the same item you need in 100%... (is it?) [2014-10-03 18:31:44] Ottavino: Oh!! [2014-10-03 18:31:56] Ottavino: Jerky is still in inventory [2014-10-03 18:32:07] Ottavino: don't know if it's the same [2014-10-03 18:32:45] Redslash: I have a feeling it's not, you can buy it in Porre before this point.. [2014-10-03 18:32:45] Ottavino: it's the same!!!! i can give it to the lady!!! [2014-10-03 18:32:54] Redslash: Damn, lol!! [2014-10-03 18:33:26] DrunkenDraconian: Jerkey skip [2014-10-03 18:33:39] DrunkenDraconian: !!!!!!!!!!!! [2014-10-03 18:33:54] Ottavino: or sell for 10000G :) [2014-10-03 18:34:03] Ottavino: in any% it can be useful [2014-10-03 18:34:10] Redslash: NO WAY [2014-10-03 18:34:24] Redslash: Insane =D [2014-10-03 18:38:35] DrunkenDraconian: so why does the save and load cause this? does this open more possible event skips? [2014-10-03 18:39:14] DrunkenDraconian: get save anywhere, skip frog cutscene finally [2014-10-03 18:39:20] Redslash: Heh heh, yeah the 16-second save is way bigger, I don't even know what we'd spend that on, lol [2014-10-03 18:39:30] Ottavino: it was used in the tas, but it was really hard to do on console, because only 4 frames on 28 are good [2014-10-03 18:39:58] Ottavino: or 4 on 32, don't remember [2014-10-03 18:41:13] Ottavino: in fact, when obda started running ct 2 years ago, i think he used this skip, but without the first save/load [2014-10-03 18:42:17] Ottavino: i think redslash or I have tried to save anywhere in each room/event in the game [2014-10-03 18:48:13] Redslash: We would fadeout a lot of the bridge, I don't think the Captain was ever skipped though... [2014-10-03 18:52:06] Ottavino: if you want to sell it after tata's house (which is the best moment i think), it cost ~10 extra sec [2014-10-03 18:52:45] Ottavino: so i don't know if it will be worth it in any% [2014-10-03 18:53:57] Ottavino: in 100% it's great [2014-10-03 18:59:47 | Edited 19:01:58] Redslash: Perhaps buy a Red Katana? More possibilities for reworking the Masamune/Slash fights, anyway [2014-10-03 19:00:09] Redslash: (Someday) [2014-10-03 19:03:41] Redslash: Too bad the DemonEdge is still so out of reach, would make a nice replacement for the Swallow in an LSS route =P [2014-10-03 19:07:40] DrunkenDraconian: so is the first save in heckran skip a safety or for consistency? i can get it over 75% without the first save [2014-10-03 19:08:06] Ottavino: for consistency [2014-10-03 19:08:36] Ottavino: it gives you a 3 frames window [2014-10-03 19:09:42] Ottavino: it's great if you get over 3/4 because it's a 1/2 on average: you can pass the trigger 4 frames on 8 [2014-10-03 19:10:17] DrunkenDraconian: I've been opening the menu, buffering my inputs then closing and opening using chrono's animation to tell where he is, and you can back out if the first input is too early [2014-10-03 19:22:01] Ottavino: you're right, we don't need the first save for heckran skip :) [2014-10-03 19:23:01] Ottavino: if you move up and release B quickly (like zombor skip), you are in the good window [2014-10-03 19:24:00] Ottavino: that's around 40 sec saved in two days! [2014-10-03 19:24:07] Redslash: Very interesting. I found it was good to try it before reloading, but totally skipping the save, wow... [2014-10-03 19:24:32] ElGranJerry: Oh boy. I will check that out as soon as I get home! Sounds grest [2014-10-03 19:24:45] DrunkenDraconian: it's ballsy for sure [2014-10-03 19:25:27] ElGranJerry: Sub 3 hype!!!!! [2014-10-03 19:25:38] Ottavino: Or Riot!!! [2014-10-03 19:25:47] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-10-03 19:27:09] ElGranJerry: So no up left for heckran, just up with the let go of B strat? [2014-10-03 19:27:32] Ottavino: yes [2014-10-03 19:28:05] ElGranJerry: Oh man. I will use tomorrow to practice.then, no run [2014-10-03 19:30:21] Ottavino: i don't have a save on vc, so ths is the traditionnal smv file [2014-10-03 19:30:32] *** *** [2014-10-03 19:31:00] ElGranJerry: Thanks man :) So much new stuff [2014-10-03 19:34:01] DrunkenDraconian: oh wow!! [2014-10-03 19:34:10] DrunkenDraconian: that's awesome [2014-10-03 19:34:23] Ottavino: thanks to you DD [2014-10-03 19:34:31] DrunkenDraconian: better than what i was working on [2014-10-03 19:34:38] DrunkenDraconian: it's slick [2014-10-03 19:35:09] Ottavino: i haven't tested if when you came in the room, you were on the same frame [2014-10-03 19:35:14] Ottavino: each time [2014-10-03 19:35:37] Ottavino: and in fact, you are [2014-10-03 19:36:18] Ottavino: it's logic, because when you do yakra skip, if you holding B + up, you are always in the good window [2014-10-03 19:37:17] DrunkenDraconian: this is very hard to do Kappa [2014-10-03 19:43:10] Ottavino: i think it's easier than the new zombor skip [2014-10-03 19:44:02] Ottavino: so much new stuff to train... [2014-10-03 20:23:47 | Edited 20:25:05] Redslash: Hehe, getting S/A from EoT would be another 16 seconds faster, but I'm pretty sure you need the Forest/Bangor pillars [2014-10-03 20:36:35] Redslash: Wait, maybe the bucket instead of a pillar.. [2014-10-03 20:46:49] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwUzQ0UE85RHM3TDA/view?usp=sharing first save is in fact optional :) [2014-10-03 20:46:55] eLmaGus: first of all [2014-10-03 20:46:57] eLmaGus: AWESOME [2014-10-03 20:47:03] eLmaGus: and why do you guys write so much when i stream [2014-10-03 20:47:06] eLmaGus: 8) [2014-10-03 20:51:02] eLmaGus: 5:50 AM and i have to practice now [2014-10-03 20:51:03] eLmaGus: thanks guys [2014-10-03 20:51:14] eLmaGus: (y) [2014-10-03 20:55:12] Redslash: Right on man X) Some pretty strong discoveries for sure [2014-10-03 21:03:20] Redslash: I can get the S/A from EoT but it's looking kinda troll, there might be a setup... [2014-10-03 21:04:01] eLmaGus: guise please stahp [2014-10-03 21:04:06] eLmaGus: i have enough to practice [2014-10-03 21:04:25] Ottavino: explanations for the new zombor skip v2: when i enter the zone, i only hold left and press B after i started walking a little (i use the music to know when i have to press B) [2014-10-03 21:04:58] eLmaGus: hopefully the music isnt faster on VC Kappa [2014-10-03 21:05:37] Ottavino: no, but timing is different between vc and emu Kappa [2014-10-03 21:09:47] eLmaGus: dang [2014-10-03 21:26:15] Ottavino: if you play on vc and use musical cues, you need to delay a little your inputs compared to emu version [2014-10-03 21:26:28] Ottavino: it's just a habit to take :) [2014-10-03 21:29:14] ElGranJerry: so for any% are we gonna skip the jerky? [2014-10-03 21:29:24] ElGranJerry: Or we still need to get it? [2014-10-03 21:29:33] Ottavino: you still need to get it [2014-10-03 21:30:12] Ottavino: if you don't get, guards prevent you to pass on the bridge [2014-10-03 21:30:20] ElGranJerry: oooh I see [2014-10-03 21:30:49] eLmaGus: dude its 10 grand [2014-10-03 21:30:54] eLmaGus: the possibilites [2014-10-03 21:31:51] ElGranJerry: 10 grand... maybe skip some chests in Sunken Desert? [2014-10-03 21:32:40] Ottavino: i still think it's faster to take all chests in sunken desert instead of selling it [2014-10-03 21:33:25] eLmaGus: yea for sure [2014-10-03 21:39:59] Redslash: Actually, grabbing the Elixir and Megalixir in the castle before going to the desert (and take the Forest gate), should be enough for DemonEdge [2014-10-03 21:40:20] Redslash: Pretty sure it's much better than the Slasher for Retinite... [2014-10-03 21:41:58] Redslash: I was forgetting you could sell all the Fullethers and stuff [2014-10-03 21:43:13] eLmaGus: wait what [2014-10-03 21:43:41] eLmaGus: how much money does the megaelixir give [2014-10-03 21:44:11] ElGranJerry: 25k [2014-10-03 21:44:16] eLmaGus: holy moly [2014-10-03 21:44:19] ElGranJerry: ? [2014-10-03 21:44:29] ElGranJerry: it might be on the ds version [2014-10-03 21:44:31] ElGranJerry: let me check [2014-10-03 21:45:21] ElGranJerry: yeah 25k [2014-10-03 21:53:23] Ottavino: how can you take the forest gate? [2014-10-03 21:56:31] Ottavino: do you think getting the demonedge is faster than the Tas strat (learn magic to frog, retinite with chrono, frog and ayla)? [2014-10-03 21:57:40] eLmaGus: i smell a new TAS [2014-10-03 22:00:33] ElGranJerry: ^^ [2014-10-03 22:09:31] Redslash: Huh skipping Frog's magic is an interesting idea. I dunno if this could really be faster, but Retinite is just such a pain [2014-10-03 22:09:52] Redslash: Since Lightning doesn't heal the Core much at all [2014-10-03 22:11:36] Redslash: When you charge the pendant is when the Forest gate gets blocked off by a log [2014-10-03 22:12:01] Ottavino: oh ok, didn't know that [2014-10-03 22:12:48] eLmaGus: there is a story reason too [2014-10-03 22:12:52] eLmaGus: i just forgot it [2014-10-03 22:15:34] ElGranJerry: It had something to do with Dalton burning the castle and the forest iirc [2014-10-03 22:16:40] ElGranJerry: idk really lol, just something I kinda remembered reading [2014-10-03 22:21:56] Redslash: Lol, had to check that Belthasar gets thrown into Proto Dome and not Bangor... that's the only pair not linked to 12000BC then =P [2014-10-03 22:24:43] Obdajr: yeah i used to do this skip, but it was too annoying [2014-10-03 22:26:20] Redslash: Oh dang awesome, I didn't realize [2014-10-03 22:30:09] Obdajr: the zombor one that is, i couldnt figure out how to make it consistant [2014-10-03 22:30:44] Obdajr: coulnt you just keep the jerky until fiona's shrine and sell it there skipping desert chests? [2014-10-03 22:32:33] ElGranJerry: I think to get the 10k you need to sell it to the Wife [2014-10-03 22:32:41] Obdajr: ohh right [2014-10-03 22:33:13] Obdajr: oh thats cool for 100% though, you can sell it really early and never go back there during fated hour [2014-10-03 22:33:28] Obdajr: or give it away early that is [2014-10-03 22:36:30] ElGranJerry: yeah, pretty sweet for 100% [2014-10-03 22:36:52] ElGranJerry: can give it when you get the Hero Medal from Tata [2014-10-03 22:39:02] Redslash: I kinda wanted to call it baller (because orb)... but I thought I'd better not [2014-10-03 22:43:02] Redslash: You guys caught the thing about Flea, by the way? Pretty trivial, but good to know now [2014-10-03 22:43:26] eLmaGus: do tell i did not catch [2014-10-03 22:44:36] Redslash: As long as Frog's HP is less than or equal to Marle's HP, Flea behaves correctly [2014-10-03 22:45:16 | Edited 22:46:00] Redslash: So you can give Marle SilverEarring if Frog is 176 or over [2014-10-03 22:45:37] eLmaGus: i see i see [2014-10-03 22:47:14] ElGranJerry: you still require a good rng string? Or that doesn't matter now? [2014-10-03 22:47:18] ElGranJerry: as long as hp is right [2014-10-03 22:47:26] eLmaGus: i would imagine as long as you are close [2014-10-03 22:47:28] eLmaGus: you should be fine [2014-10-03 22:47:47] eLmaGus: the boss fights in magus castle seem to have a good amount of leeway [2014-10-03 22:47:58] eLmaGus: but someone with more knowledge needs to confirm that this is true [2014-10-03 22:51:54] Redslash: I guess I've never looked at Flea's patterns, but for the crits at least... [2014-10-03 22:52:08] eLmaGus: let me actually try to mess up real quick and see what happens [2014-10-03 22:52:11] eLmaGus: this should be fun [2014-10-03 22:52:37] Redslash: I didn't even know Frog getting hit was important until relatively recently =P [2014-10-03 22:54:10] eLmaGus: that feel when you accidentaly load the right Seed [2014-10-03 22:54:25] Redslash: Ha ha [2014-10-03 22:56:25 | Edited 22:57:26] Redslash: I'm checking the Magic Cave rats for when they hit Frog, at least then you can safely save after Henches [2014-10-03 22:58:25] eLmaGus: henches reload was 3.4-3.7= [2014-10-03 22:58:30] eLmaGus: or 3.7 to 4.0? [2014-10-03 22:58:32] eLmaGus: i cant remember [2014-10-03 23:00:21 | Edited 23:01:25] Redslash: Hm, counting from title screen? (If so then yes) [2014-10-03 23:01:26] eLmaGus: yeah [2014-10-03 23:02:02] Redslash: I hadn't encountered anyone yet who counted from title, heh =) [2014-10-03 23:02:29] Obdajr: i count from pendulum [2014-10-03 23:02:48] Obdajr: i start a timer and press A at the same time [2014-10-03 23:03:13] Redslash: Very solid method [2014-10-03 23:03:32] eLmaGus: i have a scrolling pattern for most of my reloads but i need to find one for every new possible load you guys come up with [2014-10-03 23:03:34] eLmaGus: its hard work [2014-10-03 23:04:07] Obdajr: ikr? [2014-10-03 23:04:09] Obdajr: timer is ezer lol [2014-10-03 23:04:23] eLmaGus: i tried timers but they only confused me [2014-10-03 23:04:24] eLmaGus: in the end [2014-10-03 23:04:27] Obdajr: haha [2014-10-03 23:04:48] eLmaGus: mainly because if i actually do runs i have no good way of handling a second timer [2014-10-03 23:05:01] eLmaGus: and its hard to judge from the running timer [2014-10-03 23:06:18] Redslash: I extended the scroll method I made for Elixir glitch to apply to other loads... it's not very popular X) [2014-10-03 23:06:48] Obdajr: i set up different gobal hotkeys for 2 different timers [2014-10-03 23:07:09] Obdajr: works surprisingly well but i have to set up the buttons every time [2014-10-03 23:07:17] eLmaGus: yeah thats what i figure [2014-10-03 23:07:29] eLmaGus: i got so much going on on my screen as it is i need a second monitor for sure [2014-10-03 23:07:43] Obdajr: yeah [2014-10-03 23:07:58] Obdajr: i have 2 monitor desktop and a laptop [2014-10-03 23:08:04] Obdajr: so not a problem for me [2014-10-03 23:08:27] eLmaGus: i should just suck it up and clean up my desk and use my laptop [2014-10-03 23:08:29] eLmaGus: lol [2014-10-03 23:08:34] Obdajr: haha [2014-10-03 23:09:15] Obdajr: i would use my phone for the second timer but its annoying to password unlock it and everything beforehand [2014-10-03 23:09:56] eLmaGus: yeah same issue here [2014-10-03 23:10:23] eLmaGus: well for now unless you wizards come up with even better loads im set with my scrolling method [2014-10-03 23:13:47] Redslash: Alright. I just go with pressing up 10 times from the title, the rate is good as long as 10th doesn't move the menu cursor and the 11th one does [2014-10-03 23:15:29] Redslash: I count 1-2-3-4-5 twice then switch to 1-2-3-4 [2014-10-04 0:14:29 | Edited 0:16:45] Redslash: Sorry to be goofy about it. Easy method with a difficult explanation [2014-10-04 7:54:16] ElGranJerry: Stumbled upon this stream http://www.twitch.tv/archengeia : Apparently he will live stream his new CT TAS [2014-10-04 8:07:34] SnesWarrior: Lemme know when it gets to the TAS....the soapbox about junkmail is too real for me [2014-10-04 8:10:04] ElGranJerry: yeah lmao, I got him muted and I'm tabbed out [2014-10-04 8:11:47] DrunkenDraconian: what is this? [2014-10-04 8:12:07] SnesWarrior: Car Company Junk Mail Marketing 101 [2014-10-04 8:12:20] SnesWarrior: Completely related to CT and game y'know? [2014-10-04 8:12:24] SnesWarrior: Need to know information [2014-10-04 8:23:55] Nihil922: at least he got the game on screen now [2014-10-04 8:24:37] ElGranJerry: Dude I don't wanna see his face in the game screen :/ [2014-10-04 8:24:47] SnesWarrior: I'ma cry if he doesn't start soon [2014-10-04 8:25:07] ElGranJerry: I'm never coming back to this stream, I just want to watch the TAS [2014-10-04 8:25:19] Nihil922: agreed [2014-10-04 8:25:38] SnesWarrior: What? You don't wanna see what he got in the mail tomorrow? [2014-10-04 8:26:06] SnesWarrior: And every tidbit of junk/ psuedo-science behind the advertising? Kappa [2014-10-04 8:26:13] ElGranJerry: I'm doubting the TAS will be any good [2014-10-04 8:26:20] Ottavino: ^ [2014-10-04 8:26:28] ElGranJerry: He ignored my RNG manip question when I came in [2014-10-04 8:26:50] SnesWarrior: I actually saw him practice like a month ago I think? I get the feeling its just gonna be a TAS'd old route.. [2014-10-04 8:27:26] ElGranJerry: most likely [2014-10-04 8:27:34] ElGranJerry: he said he started 1 and a half years ago [2014-10-04 8:27:54] SnesWarrior: Eh... maybe the TAS lol, he was practicing intro a month ago [2014-10-04 8:28:06] ElGranJerry: yeah the tas [2014-10-04 8:28:10] SnesWarrior: Watch it be amazing lol [2014-10-04 8:29:14] SnesWarrior: ................................... [2014-10-04 8:29:35] Nihil922: did he just say 7 hours? [2014-10-04 8:29:41] SnesWarrior: 7 hour tas krey freaking gasm [2014-10-04 8:29:42] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-10-04 8:29:45] ElGranJerry: why? [2014-10-04 8:29:51] Nihil922: so... its all endings? [2014-10-04 8:29:58] SnesWarrior: Lets hope so [2014-10-04 8:30:00] ElGranJerry: I'd hope [2014-10-04 8:30:16] ElGranJerry: inb4 no bird skip [2014-10-04 8:33:16] SnesWarrior: inb4 we never get to the actual TAS [2014-10-04 8:33:45] Ottavino: this is not a tas, it's a tool assisted playaround [2014-10-04 8:33:51] SnesWarrior: xD [2014-10-04 8:34:41] Nihil922: wat [2014-10-04 8:34:44] SnesWarrior: I'm resisting with every fiber of my being not to troll this guy into talking more T_T [2014-10-04 8:37:00] DrunkenDraconian: glitchless nonfake-hundo? [2014-10-04 8:41:54] DrunkenDraconian: :o [2014-10-04 8:42:00] SnesWarrior: Dear lord, he shoulda said it was a low level at the beggining -_- [2014-10-04 8:42:05] Nihil922: thats interesting [2014-10-04 8:42:13] ElGranJerry: low level :O [2014-10-04 8:42:35] Nihil922: might be worth watching [2014-10-04 8:50:00] Ottavino: can you wake me up in 2 hours when tas will begin? Kappa [2014-10-04 8:51:09] SnesWarrior: hehe [2014-10-04 8:59:05] ElGranJerry: wow, 100% tas is really outdated then [2014-10-04 8:59:35] Ottavino: it's a different category, the 100% tas takes one of each item, learn all tech [2014-10-04 8:59:49] ElGranJerry: aaah [2014-10-04 8:59:52] ElGranJerry: oh wow [2014-10-04 9:02:44] SnesWarrior: This would be great commentary if the game were actually playing O.o [2014-10-04 9:02:51] SnesWarrior: I'm about to give up.. lol [2014-10-04 9:08:43] DrunkenDraconian: it started [2014-10-04 9:08:45] SnesWarrior: Here we go, intro starting [2014-10-04 9:08:51] ElGranJerry: No renaming Crono [2014-10-04 9:08:53] ElGranJerry: :O [2014-10-04 9:08:53] DrunkenDraconian: he paused [2014-10-04 9:19:04] Ottavino: it's just a guy who made a .smv file of this faq http://www.gamefaqs.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/40169 [2014-10-04 9:21:29] SnesWarrior: Hmm, can we get lower levels now with any of our improvements? [2014-10-04 9:22:25] SnesWarrior: dumb question, of course we can [2014-10-04 9:23:16] Ottavino: yes, 1 less lvl for robo and lucca i think at the end [2014-10-04 9:23:29] SnesWarrior: I guess he could call his an all bosses low level run? [2014-10-04 9:24:03] ElGranJerry: I don't understand why he didn't change the battlespeed [2014-10-04 9:24:08] ElGranJerry: 15 revives for Nizbel... [2014-10-04 10:16:26] eLmaGus: that TAS though [2014-10-04 10:16:34] eLmaGus: (facepalm) [2014-10-04 10:18:26] DrunkenDraconian: he just needs to be more clear on his rules and intentions, instead of being combattive and offputting [2014-10-04 10:18:51] DrunkenDraconian: although as a low level run, skipping bosses seems like a no brainer [2014-10-04 10:27:58] eLmaGus: Laser Spin Pog [2014-10-04 10:39:27] ElGranJerry: No bird skip :/ [2014-10-04 10:39:39] eLmaGus: RIP bird skip [2014-10-04 10:39:50] eLmaGus: it must be a glitch thats we he doesnt use it Kappa [2014-10-04 10:39:56] eLmaGus: why* [2014-10-04 10:40:04] ElGranJerry: lmao [2014-10-04 10:40:26] eLmaGus: looooooooool DD [2014-10-04 10:44:30] DrunkenDraconian: bird skip more entrtaining and fast [2014-10-04 10:50:54] ElGranJerry: what? You can find Tata in Denadoro Mountains???? [2014-10-04 10:53:58] eLmaGus: yo mountains are nice [2014-10-04 10:53:59] eLmaGus: the run is alive [2014-10-04 10:54:14] Obdajr: lol he obviously doenst have good resources but you dont have to be to hard on him [2014-10-04 10:54:50] DrunkenDraconian: I'm interested in the lavos fight for sure [2014-10-04 10:55:27] eLmaGus: i dont know about not be too hard on him, there is enough resources everywhere, he doesnt even skip the birds in truce canyon [2014-10-04 10:56:14] eLmaGus: i can get behind not saving/reloading and whatnot [2014-10-04 10:56:30] ElGranJerry: the glitchless part is actually interesting [2014-10-04 11:01:17] eLmaGus: for sure [2014-10-04 11:02:15] ElGranJerry: 59 for the counter I didn't remember that [2014-10-04 11:02:39] ElGranJerry: he normally does 6 hehe [2014-10-04 11:03:08] eLmaGus: at least this is gonna have a legit magus fight [2014-10-04 11:04:40] eLmaGus: Roihclem! [2014-10-04 11:05:31] eLmaGus: he just lost points for saying Ayla is completely worthless [2014-10-04 11:06:28] ElGranJerry: for sure [2014-10-04 11:29:21] eLmaGus: Otta did you upload the Heckran Skip .smv somewhere? [2014-10-04 11:43:40] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwWW1pdk9tWURVS00/view?usp=sharing video heckran skip [2014-10-04 11:44:27] eLmaGus: thanks [2014-10-04 11:44:30] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwM2JhZ1NrcDBXczg/view?usp=sharing smv file heckran skip [2014-10-04 11:44:37] eLmaGus: twitch.tv/cha0stwitch [2014-10-04 11:44:41] eLmaGus: he is learning [2014-10-04 11:50:54] Ottavino: also one change in the route, when i do S/A in the cathedral, i only put tabs on chrono, removing berserker from marle done at market now [2014-10-04 11:54:34] eLmaGus: that does save some frames i gues [2014-10-04 11:54:35] eLmaGus: s [2014-10-04 12:15:37] eLmaGus: yoooooo he is fighting magus with frog solo [2014-10-04 12:19:08] SnesWarrior: Elmagus he's trying to steal your identity!! [2014-10-04 12:19:27] eLmaGus: i saw that [2014-10-04 12:23:03] SnesWarrior: Btw Otta, Do you plan on doing a safety save just before the transport to heckran's room? It's an awfully big loss if you don't. Also any idea on the frame data for the save? It should be harder than the hug the right setup right? Or is it just same frames different timing? [2014-10-04 12:25:25] Ottavino: I will do a safety save in the last fadeout, when you hit the save point [2014-10-04 12:26:39] eLmaGus: i have a bigger question [2014-10-04 12:26:41] Ottavino: For the frame data, it depends how many frames you release the B button [2014-10-04 12:26:44] eLmaGus: when will your next stream be [2014-10-04 12:27:00] Ottavino: Probably this night :) [2014-10-04 12:27:08] Nihil922: sub 3! [2014-10-04 12:27:14] eLmaGus: WOOT [2014-10-04 12:27:17] eLmaGus: alright [2014-10-04 12:27:24] eLmaGus: gotta run to the store and prepare [2014-10-04 12:27:36] SnesWarrior: gotta buy ALL the sodas [2014-10-04 12:27:48] Ottavino: (I'm a little drunk for now, let's wait for a few hours :) l [2014-10-04 12:27:53] SnesWarrior: lol! [2014-10-04 12:27:57] DrunkenDraconian: too much sugar is bad for you [2014-10-04 12:27:59] SnesWarrior: Drunk CT hyyyppeee [2014-10-04 12:34:42] Redslash: #chrono is definitely new, must've been created Aug 12 [2014-10-04 12:35:18] SnesWarrior: talking about in SRL? [2014-10-04 12:36:40] Redslash: Yup, 8 people in it [2014-10-04 12:37:32] Nihil922: nice, didnt know there was an irc channel [2014-10-04 12:37:43] SnesWarrior: I see, yea, back when Otta and I did our race and I setup IRC for the first time I looked for one and I didn't see it [2014-10-04 12:39:02] Nihil922: trying to relearn the game with the new strats now [2014-10-04 12:39:25] Nihil922: is the reload on reverse truce canyon skip the same as the reload on yakra skip? [2014-10-04 12:39:39] Ottavino: No [2014-10-04 12:40:01] SnesWarrior: its little later, if you pres up, down, and A as fast as you can, you should get it everytime [2014-10-04 12:40:04] Ottavino: For yakra skip, only the first 6 frames were good [2014-10-04 12:40:27] Nihil922: i see [2014-10-04 12:41:07] Ottavino: For rev truce skip, battle value (address 7E29AD) needs to be between 1D and 32 [2014-10-04 12:41:48] Nihil922: whats the first check to see if i got it right? cyclone damage on the guard? [2014-10-04 12:42:06] Ottavino: Yes, 60 is the magic number [2014-10-04 12:42:32] eLmaGus: oh baby [2014-10-04 12:42:36] eLmaGus: nihil getting back in the game [2014-10-04 12:43:14] Nihil922: lol, yea, i need to relearn it, bof is to long, i never have time to run it [2014-10-04 12:44:33] SnesWarrior: Looking forward to it Nihil, yours was one of the first CT streams that I got into [2014-10-04 12:45:14] Nihil922: also, i cant let elmagus have a better time than me [2014-10-04 12:45:37] eLmaGus: please [2014-10-04 12:46:00] eLmaGus: my ultimate goal is the top, but i want a cart for that [2014-10-04 12:46:31] Nihil922: i have an extra, but its cib so its not gonna be cheap if you want it :P [2014-10-04 12:46:55] eLmaGus: i can offer you 2,57€ [2014-10-04 12:47:00] eLmaGus: thats all i have left right now [2014-10-04 12:47:03] Nihil922: ill think about it [2014-10-04 12:48:21] Ottavino: Do you have a ntsc SNES or a Pal modded SNES eLmaGus? [2014-10-04 12:48:37] eLmaGus: NTSC of course [2014-10-04 12:48:43] eLmaGus: i used to play on modded way back [2014-10-04 12:48:50] eLmaGus: but for speedrunning i had to get a real one [2014-10-04 12:48:53] Nihil922: does pal modded play on the right speed? [2014-10-04 12:48:58] eLmaGus: its slower [2014-10-04 12:49:01] Nihil922: i thought so [2014-10-04 12:49:12] Ottavino: No, pal modded run at 59,56 fps [2014-10-04 12:49:37] eLmaGus: yeah i thought NTSC is 60.03 [2014-10-04 12:50:00] Nihil922: i have an ntsc modded, i wonder if it plays pal games faster [2014-10-04 12:50:01] eLmaGus: oh welp nvm [2014-10-04 12:50:16] eLmaGus: haha [2014-10-04 12:50:20] eLmaGus: that would be hilarious [2014-10-04 12:50:33] Ottavino: 60.098814 for ntsc SNES, 59.94 for snes9x [2014-10-04 12:50:43] eLmaGus: HOLY SHIT IM LOSING SO MANY FRAMES [2014-10-04 12:50:47] eLmaGus: ON SNES9X [2014-10-04 12:50:53] eLmaGus: what the hell [2014-10-04 12:51:08] Ottavino: Yep 28 sec on a any% ct run [2014-10-04 12:51:14] eLmaGus: baaaaaaaaaaased [2014-10-04 12:51:26 | Edited 12:51:32] Nihil922: just play good to make up for it Kappa [2014-10-04 12:56:45] Nihil922: gonna see if i can learn all reloads using 4/4 time signatures, thats how i timed magus castle and lavos core, so its probably gonna be easier [2014-10-04 12:56:48] eLmaGus: i lose 1718,4 frames in my run compared to console [2014-10-04 12:56:50] eLmaGus: now im sad [2014-10-04 12:57:31] eLmaGus: 28,64 seconds [2014-10-04 12:57:35] eLmaGus: 8() [2014-10-04 14:18:27] ElGranJerry: :( [2014-10-04 14:55:41] Redslash: Ha ha, Lavos Shell with 1 Revive, clutch.... at least it's possible [2014-10-04 15:22:49] ElGranJerry: How would you guys describe the new Zombor & Heckran skip so I can put it on the route [2014-10-04 15:22:58] ElGranJerry: or would it be better just to link to a youtube video? [2014-10-04 15:28:57 | Edited 15:29:03] Nihil922: including links to videos would probably be helpful [2014-10-04 15:43:27] eLmaGus: [Thursday, October 02, 2014 18:41] Obdajr: [2014-10-04 15:43:27] eLmaGus: <<< so .. so bear with me here: chichachi do di do, ( di ) do di, do di do, di do do like that?^ all the explanation needed in the notes [2014-10-04 15:50:23] Redslash: Agreed. [2014-10-04 15:54:28] Obdajr: :d [2014-10-04 17:45:45] SnesWarrior: Since the new zombor strat is a bit difficult, there is a quick backup strat if you mess up. Just do the release B trick after the textbox closes from the guard, and you can do the skip from there as well. I was exiting and entering the screen everytime. [2014-10-05 3:47:29] Redslash: Wait, did we know we could hold A to open a savepoint? I just acquired S/A doing that, even though I ran waaay through it [2014-10-05 4:18:08] Redslash: Welp, seems to work 100% of the time only if you're running right to left, so that one was just lucky [2014-10-05 4:22:44] Redslash: Also seems to vary by savepoint, first Cathedral save is really bad... [2014-10-05 4:23:11] Ottavino: After "LSS for dummies", new Redslash's best seller: "1001 ways to use your A button!" [2014-10-05 4:24:25] Redslash: Oh god, ha ha [2014-10-05 4:24:51] Redslash: Yeah there's some surprises to be found still, I feel [2014-10-05 4:25:48] Ottavino: if you want to quickly check you've got S/A, watch adresss 7F01CF [2014-10-05 4:34:41] Redslash: Oh yes, well as long as you activate the save I believe you keep it. All I'm doing now though is running thru trying to open them normally, sometimes they just won't activate =( [2014-10-05 14:47:25] Redslash: Something I never noticed before, sometimes Crono/Robo can stand in place and do a normal swing/punch, even if the enemy's all the way across the screen... I wonder what causes that [2014-10-05 14:48:41] Redslash: (happening in the Alkaline fight) [2014-10-05 14:49:32] Obdajr: I think it has something to do with not being able to walk over there [2014-10-05 14:49:55] Obdajr: example are the fishmen in the sewers; they spawn on non walkable terrain [2014-10-05 14:50:47] Obdajr: so parts of that room might block a direct path to the enemy and rather than having characters get stuck, the game just lets them stand in place [2014-10-05 14:51:24] Redslash: That makes sense, maybe they were just being crowded by other enemies [2014-10-05 14:51:36] Obdajr: yeah or like behind a wall or in a corner [2014-10-05 14:52:52] Obdajr: characters jump to ememies when criting so its not an issue [2014-10-05 14:55:17] Redslash: Yeah, was hoping we could take advantage of it to save some seconds [2014-10-05 14:56:21] Obdajr: something to keep in mind, but other than the 5 blob fight, I cant really think of much use [2014-10-05 14:57:07] Obdajr: I feel like any time you would spend waiting for enemies to move to a good spot would counteract any savings [2014-10-05 14:57:40] Obdajr: now if you could like... trap a character in a corner or something for a fight, that might be cool [2014-10-05 15:25:47] Ottavino: just tested for the 1st reptite fight, if you end at 87 or 88 it gives the same outcome for the next battle [2014-10-05 15:36:06] Redslash: Dang you're right, because that window doesn't jump! You corrected me about 87-88 outside Magus's Castle too X) [2014-10-05 15:45:14] Ottavino: 1 sec saved: instead of doing save/load at medina village before -65m, do it in the world map in -600 between frog and truce canyon, loading is 0D to 36 [2014-10-05 15:46:01] Redslash: Yeah, definitely =) [2014-10-05 15:46:21] Obdajr: why does that save a second? [2014-10-05 15:46:35] Obdajr: oh less waiting [2014-10-05 15:46:38] Ottavino: because you need to wait 1 sec less to load [2014-10-05 15:46:40] Ottavino: :) [2014-10-05 15:46:43] Obdajr: I see [2014-10-05 15:47:09] Redslash: Should be easier too~ [2014-10-05 15:48:02] Obdajr: so for those of us who don't know what 0D to 36 means... load as soon as menu shows? [2014-10-05 15:48:30] Ottavino: wait a little, 0D is the 7th frame [2014-10-05 15:56:43] Ottavino: :) or new strat: at the end of masamune, instead of doing slash + antipode, do attack with chrono, attack with chono, antipode, it's 4.3 sec slower, but no need to save/load after, so ~5 sec saved [2014-10-05 15:57:25] Ottavino: it was tested with the 19/19 hp chrono/marle, need to test with the 25/19hp if it works [2014-10-05 15:57:47] Ottavino: to see if* [2014-10-05 15:59:53] SnesWarrior: ^ made me drool [2014-10-05 16:06:48] Ottavino: ^ didn't know this expression [2014-10-05 16:07:18] SnesWarrior: lawl [2014-10-05 16:07:56] SnesWarrior: If it cuts down on a menu, or in this case a load, its something I get really happy about =P [2014-10-05 16:08:24] Ottavino: yeah I know, you hate menus :) [2014-10-05 16:08:33] SnesWarrior: :) [2014-10-05 17:37:13] Ottavino: for masamune: it can works with the 25/19 hp strat, but with an extra attack (still save time i think) [2014-10-05 17:40:04] Ottavino: at the end (25/19hp): chrono slash (cancel energy), antipode, chrono slash, masamune hits marle, antipode, chrono slash, chrono attacks, masamune hits lucca, chrono attacks, antipode [2014-10-05 17:41:59] Ottavino: at the end (19/19hp) chrono slash (cancel energy), antipode, masamune hits marle, chrono slash, antipode, chrono attacks, masamune hits lucca, chrono attacks, antipode [2014-10-05 17:44:05] SnesWarrior: Is there a key to getting the slash to hit Crono everytime? I guess not eh [2014-10-05 17:44:29] SnesWarrior: That seems to be what I get most of the time tho [2014-10-05 17:44:59] Ottavino: it depends of the timing of 2nd antipode [2014-10-05 17:45:42] ElGranJerry: Is adding the 2 attacks + masa hit faster than the reloading? [2014-10-05 17:45:47] SnesWarrior: I see, later antipode probably hits both, fast one probably just hits Marle [2014-10-05 17:46:37] Ottavino: you can delay 2nd antipode a little to get sure you get the slash on chrono, but if you delay it too much, lucca gets attacked [2014-10-05 17:48:40] Ottavino: for the 25/19 hp strat, it's even jerry [2014-10-05 17:49:12] ElGranJerry: and the 19 is faster then [2014-10-05 17:49:14] ElGranJerry: cool [2014-10-05 19:37:41] ElGranJerry: Wanna go for a race next weekend? Might be fun... [2014-10-05 19:47:06] eLmaGus: did i hear [2014-10-05 19:47:08] eLmaGus: RACE? [2014-10-05 19:47:16] DrunkenDraconian: I should hopefully be up to parby then [2014-10-05 19:47:30] eLmaGus: well honestly the changes seem huge [2014-10-05 19:47:38] eLmaGus: but its "only" like a minute [2014-10-05 19:47:49] eLmaGus: for a race i wouldnt consider it if i dont feel comfortable doing it [2014-10-05 19:47:55] eLmaGus: ANYWAYS [2014-10-05 19:48:03] DrunkenDraconian: yeah for a race comfort it key [2014-10-05 19:48:03] eLmaGus: we need to make it a big big big race [2014-10-05 19:48:42] DrunkenDraconian: no S&Q race? Kappa [2014-10-05 19:48:49] eLmaGus: im down [2014-10-05 19:48:57] ElGranJerry: for sure. [2014-10-05 19:48:59] eLmaGus: i know at least up to EoT [2014-10-05 19:49:03] eLmaGus: ill wing the rest [2014-10-06 0:24:45] Redslash: This Captain skip... looking like a bit of a struggle, not gonna lie [2014-10-06 0:35:02] Redslash: Ok, I was doing the release thing instead of walking a step, that'll make it hard [2014-10-06 8:17:02] DrunkenDraconian: any insight? I still feel what i was doing for it was a bit shakey [2014-10-06 8:26:06] ElGranJerry: For Heckran you use the release B but not for Zombor? [2014-10-06 8:33:00] DrunkenDraconian: zombor as otta does it you wait to press b for some amount of time(not sure) but i was having trouble getting it so i was releasing b 3 times on the run to the trigger hoping for the same effect. [2014-10-06 8:40:09] Ottavino: Yeah, this can works too. You need to release B a certain amount of frames (9 or 10, don't remember) [2014-10-06 8:42:55] DrunkenDraconian: yeah it didn't feel exact, but fadeout buffering helped me get there most of the time [2014-10-06 8:44:05] Ottavino: It saves 28 sec, so this is the major improvement to practice :) [2014-10-06 8:45:54] DrunkenDraconian: i've noticed on the new start, with the fight by the power tab with the 2 rollyriders, that lucca can hit for 36 or 38 and crono will still get the 2x 19 [2014-10-06 13:32:24] Redslash: Captain skip (if I may call it that) doesn't seem too bad. You get a feel for how much walking is best by seeing how far you make it past the downed guard's head [2014-10-06 13:34:55 | Edited 13:35:24] Redslash: Making it a full tile beyond is great, but the save will be good even if you menu just a few pixels past the head [2014-10-06 13:38:10] Redslash: That is, I find the best practice to be just running a bunch, not doing any saves at first [2014-10-06 13:48:36 | Edited 13:50:33] Redslash: I'd say walk as far as you can to that grass patch, but run before you touch it [2014-10-06 13:51:52] Ottavino: personally, i use the music to know when i need to press B [2014-10-06 14:04:47] Redslash: Do you release B for the Ozzie skip part? Seems you don't need to.. [2014-10-06 14:19:12 | Edited 14:23:44] Redslash: In fact the 2nd part seems fairly easy as well, there doesn't seem to be a risk of overstepping the trigger anymore... (?) [2014-10-06 14:20:10] ElGranJerry: :O [2014-10-06 14:21:40] Redslash: The visual cue of getting shoulder-to-shoulder with the guard is amazing, too [2014-10-06 14:30:24 | Edited 14:31:27] Redslash: Ok, releasing B definitely helpful, but not required. I dunno, this feels a lot more consistent than the previous Zombor skip, and I haven't overstepped it yet (I'm even trying to) [2014-10-06 14:39:13] Ottavino: for the 2nd, you can do it without releasing B, but you have only one frame good [2014-10-06 14:40:51] Ottavino: if you release B at least 2 frames, you have 4 frames to save [2014-10-06 14:41:13] Redslash: Hm, even saving a few pixels short of the guard is ok, so you seem to have a few frames without releasing =) [2014-10-06 14:41:47] Ottavino: weird, i only got 1 [2014-10-06 14:42:54] DrunkenDraconian: would the y position of the 1st save matter? [2014-10-06 14:44:32] Redslash: I was thinking that too, but my position's identical to Otta's video, hmm [2014-10-06 14:46:34] Ottavino: couid you upload the .srm file after your first save? [2014-10-06 14:46:47] Redslash: Ah, I'm on console~ [2014-10-06 14:47:33] Redslash: Let me try something actually... [2014-10-06 14:51:14] Redslash: I mean, heck, maybe I am hitting a frame. The visual cue is just that good =P [2014-10-06 14:52:40] Ottavino: on emu, the good frame is when chrono is aligned with the guard [2014-10-06 14:52:54] Ottavino: without releasing B, can't pass him [2014-10-06 14:53:34] Redslash: Gotcha. You don't need to get that far though, you can be a few pixels behind that too [2014-10-06 14:54:37] Redslash: Or a couple [2014-10-06 14:55:17] Redslash: I just goofed my save though so I gotta start at Heckran, lol [2014-10-06 14:57:58] *** *** [2014-10-06 14:58:22] Ottavino: for me, without releasing B, only this position works [2014-10-06 14:58:41] Ottavino: if i'm behind, it triggers the battle when i load [2014-10-06 14:58:56] Ottavino: i will test if on vc it's different [2014-10-06 15:00:58 | Edited 15:02:16] Redslash: Ahhh ok, that's what I was calling "a couple pixels behind" (judging by their eyes). So yeah, could be I was hitting a frame. [2014-10-06 15:03:59] Ottavino: you'll tell me if you can pass this position without releasing B [2014-10-06 15:08:21] Redslash: Yeah, I don't think you can. It seems like you have at least 2 pixels though. [2014-10-06 15:19:16] ElGranJerry: for Heckran skip if I save on the last fadeout and miss the skip you need to do the SA again :/ [2014-10-06 15:19:32] ElGranJerry: find it better to save as soon as you appear before attempting [2014-10-06 15:24:04] Redslash: Huh yeah, seems to work [2014-10-06 15:26:55] Redslash: release B is OP [2014-10-06 15:27:15] ElGranJerry: you ened to release B for both zombor ones right? [2014-10-06 15:27:59] Ottavino: yes, optimal is 10 frames for first save, 2 frames for 2nd one [2014-10-06 15:30:47] Redslash: And it loops every 32 frames, is that right? [2014-10-06 15:33:39] Redslash: Well, not that simple, moving at 2 different speeds, heh [2014-10-06 15:33:47] ElGranJerry: when do you do the B release for the 1st one? [2014-10-06 15:33:53] ElGranJerry: I can't seem to do it rofl [2014-10-06 15:35:11] Ottavino: i listen to the music, on emu i hold only left when i enter the zone, i press B+ left on the 3rd drum note [2014-10-06 15:36:15] Redslash: I was talking about it earlier, I called it Captain skip though... I was trying to be descriptive but it's probably confusing after all, lol [2014-10-06 15:37:02] Ottavino: but the best is to test what setup is best for each of you, red is using a visual cue [2014-10-06 15:37:44] ElGranJerry: aaah, [2014-10-06 15:38:08] ElGranJerry: Yeah, I will try both, I can't really hear the music since it's too low at the bridge and my fan makes it tough :/ [2014-10-06 15:38:12] ElGranJerry: but I will give it a shot [2014-10-06 15:40:26] Ottavino: (hint: 10 save-states isn't enough, so i record 1 frame smv files to have more) [2014-10-06 15:42:01 | Edited 15:42:16] Redslash: To summarize, you can just practice how far to walk first (I go as close to the grass patch as I can, and start running before I touch it), and see if you can get a full tile past the lying down guard's head before being stopped (only a few pixels past the head is good for a save) [2014-10-06 15:43:41] Redslash: Hehe, what I like to do is, once I've made 10 states, I make a copy of the States folder and put a name/date on it [2014-10-06 15:44:15] Redslash: So after a full playthrough I have about 10 more folders than I did before [2014-10-06 15:44:40] ElGranJerry: I will need to start doing that Ottavino hehe [2014-10-06 15:47:35] ElGranJerry: Yeah Red, I am getting it now [2014-10-06 15:47:42] ElGranJerry: the 2nd one seems to be a bit easier? [2014-10-06 15:47:52] ElGranJerry: idk, gotta practice both a bunch still [2014-10-06 15:48:59] Redslash: I think you'll find it easier than start-from-the-post Zombor skip, yeah =) [2014-10-06 16:01:10] Redslash: Talk to both skeletons for swag too, imo [2014-10-06 16:01:53] ElGranJerry: ofc [2014-10-06 16:02:00] ElGranJerry: swag points = better run [2014-10-06 16:04:10] Ottavino: each time i practice 100%, it broke my heart to not turn off the nu ;( [2014-10-06 16:06:16] Ottavino: so even it cost 2 sec, do it! for the swag, or for the guru. [2014-10-06 16:07:49] Redslash: Dang, yeah :' ( [2014-10-06 16:08:07] ElGranJerry: I am in favor of turning him off, he deserves it [2014-10-06 16:09:17] Ottavino: we need to establish this rule: your 100% run will be valid only if you turned off the nu. [2014-10-06 16:09:45] Ottavino: (sorry guys, i'm too tired...) [2014-10-06 16:09:48] DrunkenDraconian: it is a mission give by a guru.... [2014-10-06 16:10:13] Ottavino: you're right! [2014-10-06 16:10:59] Ottavino: it's a short sidequest, but it is one [2014-10-06 16:11:31] Ottavino: i'm practicing lab 16 now, rats are so trolling [2014-10-06 16:12:30] DrunkenDraconian: i've been gabbing an extra tonic by the gargoyles in the cathedral so i can have it stolen by the rat by the 1st chest [2014-10-06 16:12:46] DrunkenDraconian: yyou can sneak by the guy [2014-10-06 16:13:31] Redslash: The Tonic next to the Heal is good too, you can grab it from the left on the first go-around [2014-10-06 16:14:05] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2014-10-06 16:15:04] DrunkenDraconian: although being down 500 isn't so bad [2014-10-06 16:15:20] Redslash: Yeah, not that it's really about the money, rats waste so much time.... [2014-10-06 16:16:11] Ottavino: yeah if you're fast enough to be stolen, you can go left and gain one cycle at the lode bow [2014-10-06 16:19:42] Redslash: I sort of have a method, you can get the rat by the Berserker to "chase" you (your party behind you redirects it upward) [2014-10-06 16:21:55] Ottavino: it's why i try to do, the 'chase' rat [2014-10-06 16:22:03] Ottavino: what is your method? [2014-10-06 16:24:45] Ottavino: for me, it chase me more often when i mash A [2014-10-06 16:28:36] Redslash: I just try to follow the lines on the ground... when I get to the Octopod statue (is that what it is?) I go up-right again and meet the vertical line [2014-10-06 16:29:05] Redslash: Hitting A does help, I need to keep that in mind too [2014-10-06 16:31:20] Ottavino: in the 2nd room, when you do down/right do skip the octopus battle, 1 frame on 8 is bad :( [2014-10-06 16:31:39] Redslash: You don't wanna go past any of the lines (above or right of them), also enter the Lab holding up-right [2014-10-06 16:31:43] Redslash: Oh yeah that thing is scary [2014-10-06 16:36:33] Redslash: What's ideal there, make your down-right to not touch the thing he's sleeping on at all? [2014-10-06 16:40:57] Ottavino: i go down a little more before doing down/right [2014-10-06 16:42:01] Redslash: I found that even if I only clip the rock a little bit, he can still catch me [2014-10-06 16:42:22] Ottavino: you can't trigger this battle if you're more low [2014-10-06 16:43:27] Redslash: I guess even not touching it at all isn't necessarily safe either [2014-10-06 16:44:05] Ottavino: it also seems if your beginning of the room is perfect, you're on this bad frame [2014-10-06 16:47:09] Redslash: Ah, good call. I noticed that the blob things don't catch you as long as you're at least a pixel below where you start from, but maybe you do want to collide with that tower thing a bit [2014-10-06 16:50:11] Redslash: Nah, that wouldn't help either. Just play it safe I guess. [2014-10-06 16:52:07] Ottavino: in fact, you trigger it if you lose 2 frames on the perfect beginning [2014-10-06 16:53:07] Redslash: Ah yeah, because every time you hit a door/opening and it "centers" you more than a pixel, those are frames lost, so that little passage is hard to control [2014-10-06 16:54:55] Ottavino: just don't start the down/right too early and you're safe [2014-10-06 17:00:58 | Edited 17:10:47] Redslash: Reminds me, the door in the R-Series room where we avoid a single Acid encounter... as long as you hit the left side of the door and it centers you, you can simply run straight down through the 2nd door [2014-10-06 17:07:15] Ottavino: oh nice find [2014-10-06 17:17:56] Redslash: I played that room a ton in my quest for All Green ; P [2014-10-06 17:18:29] Ottavino: i never got all green [2014-10-06 17:18:44] Ottavino: only obda in race can get it Kappa [2014-10-06 17:19:32] ElGranJerry: hehe [2014-10-06 17:19:36] ElGranJerry: all greens is the dream [2014-10-06 17:22:53] Ottavino: i just go got 6 '1' damage in a row at this battle... [2014-10-06 17:28:07] Redslash: I think one of the blobs is really random (not sure what it's based on) but otherwise there are windows where the green count goes 3-4-5-4-3... hitting that would be nice [2014-10-06 17:30:10] Ottavino: battle depends on addresses 7E1425, 1427, 1429, 142B and 142D [2014-10-06 17:30:35] Ottavino: and these addresses are set on the frame you enter the room [2014-10-06 17:30:51] Ottavino: i tried to find a setup with the music, but no success :( [2014-10-06 17:32:56] Redslash: Well, it's based on game-time, I found... [2014-10-06 17:34:12 | Edited 17:34:22] Redslash: I mean, unless it could be time elapsed since entering the Factory, I just doubt they'd be counting that though [2014-10-06 17:34:31] ElGranJerry: Frame perfect gameplay then [2014-10-06 17:34:33] ElGranJerry: ezpz [2014-10-06 17:37:05] Redslash: Hehe, you *can* move very close to frame-perfectly from the savepoint to the next room, it isn't too bad either if you're aiming for like a 3-frame window [2014-10-06 17:38:04] Redslash: The load screen adds up to 1-12 frames to game-time and stops there... [2014-10-06 17:41:06 | Edited 17:41:59] Redslash: If we just had a way to save the game at any whole second, I guess we'd be in business [2014-10-06 17:41:18] ElGranJerry: true [2014-10-06 17:45:49] Redslash: I'll watch those addresses though, maybe there's more to it [2014-10-06 17:51:38] Redslash: 6's orange, 7's green, that's fitting.... [2014-10-06 18:15:14] Ottavino: heh, it's Square, we want lucky 7s :) [2014-10-06 19:15:12] Obdajr: hey does anyone know of a good psx emulator? [2014-10-06 19:15:33] Obdajr: (not for CT obviously..) [2014-10-06 19:40:50] Redslash: Not I, sorry~ [2014-10-06 19:43:57] Redslash: I have Masamune strat though... 19: (Marle hit) Slash, Anti (Lucca hit) atk, Anti... 25: (Marle hit) Anti, atk (Lucca hit) Anti, Slash [2014-10-06 19:45:18] Redslash: Mirrors of each other, isn't that neat? I wanted to cut out the extra attack in 19, and the extra Slash in 25, so we could go in with 18mp (148hp is ok too...) [2014-10-06 19:55:30] SnesWarrior: ePSXe is pretty good obda, and nice work Red [2014-10-06 19:56:11] Obdajr: yeah i grabbed that one and i grabbed psxjin on puwexil's recomemdation [2014-10-06 19:56:16] DrunkenDraconian: if using epsxe try to find a torrent with a bunch of plugins included [2014-10-06 19:56:29] DrunkenDraconian: they are a pain to track down online otherwise [2014-10-06 19:56:45] Obdajr: yeah i got a bundle from a youtube video lol [2014-10-06 19:57:01] SnesWarrior: nice, Pete's drivers work pretty good iirc [2014-10-06 19:58:43] SnesWarrior: Also, I missed lab 16 discussion T_T [2014-10-06 19:59:28] SnesWarrior: Are you guys going through the wall after the chest? it lets you get ahead of the Rat so you don't have to wait on him if you're fast enough. [2014-10-06 20:02:04] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2014-10-06 20:02:57] Redslash: Yeah pretty sure Otta's doing that, I sure am [2014-10-06 20:08:54] Redslash: Why does the first slash on Masa/Mune do 183, that just now struck me as bizarre [2014-10-06 20:09:36] Redslash: It's because he was asleep :0 [2014-10-06 21:20:10] Redslash: Ok, to make the guillotine room really scary... Outlaws: C atk,M(wait for C)crit, F crit, Slash*2... Jugglers: Slash,F crit,Fire, C atk,Slash,F crit,Fire... skip Shelter/Doomfinger, use MT on Frog right away during Geyser [2014-10-06 21:36:20] ElGranJerry: the attacks are to the default enemy right? [2014-10-06 21:38:31] Redslash: Pretty much yeah, just going one by one [2014-10-06 21:39:17] ElGranJerry: okay, and if you mess up Magus castle grab doom and shelter and proceed as before I guess, for backup [2014-10-06 21:41:26] Redslash: Doomfinger doesn't do much (one less attack, basically), but since we were sheltering anyway it didn't take long to equip [2014-10-06 21:42:21] Redslash: Actually without Doomfinger, getting 0C (early window) may not be an issue =P [2014-10-07 5:42:14] Ottavino: I can't get 0D with your masamune strats Redslash :( [2014-10-07 5:44:26] Ottavino: If we don't get doomfinger, we need to see if we have to take the darkmail for money for sight caps [2014-10-07 11:24:10] ElGranJerry: 3:13:10, at least looks decent now [2014-10-07 11:31:27] DrunkenDraconian: 3:13 going on 2:59 [2014-10-07 11:37:12] Redslash: Grats on cutting off 10 minutes dude, that was some major improvement! =) [2014-10-07 11:38:08] Redslash: And would've been WR 3 months ago, just saying ; ) [2014-10-07 11:38:31] ElGranJerry: haha, yeah [2014-10-07 11:39:03] ElGranJerry: I didn't want to try the Masa strat because ottavino mentioned something about not being able to get 0D with them [2014-10-07 11:41:09] Redslash: Yeah, I gotta check on that real quick, maybe one of the branches worked but the other doesn't... [2014-10-07 11:41:23] ElGranJerry: oh I see [2014-10-07 11:56:25] Ottavino: 100% now Jerry or you're going for sub 3:10? [2014-10-07 11:58:00] ElGranJerry: sub 3:10 [2014-10-07 11:58:18] ElGranJerry: I lost about 3 min on the shell fight :( Had to reset [2014-10-07 12:06:19] ElGranJerry: gonna get lunch brb [2014-10-07 12:44:45] Redslash: Well dang, not sure why I thought cutting out the attack worked. Fast fight at least =P [2014-10-07 12:47:30 | Edited 12:53:07] Redslash: Now at the end I have... 19: atk (Marle hit) Anti,atk (Lucca hit) atk,Anti... 25: (Marle hit) atk,Anti,atk (Lucca hit) Anti,atk [2014-10-07 12:48:36] Redslash: So, just wait on the first attack if 25. I found out there's no need for Slashing [2014-10-07 12:53:00] Redslash: If you're on 25 it's ok to end with Anti,atk instead of atk,Anti... a little safer since Crono's a bit behind. I'll just change it. [2014-10-07 12:53:51] ElGranJerry: cool :D [2014-10-07 12:59:17] Redslash: Hm, that Antipode brings him to 2hp though, we should probably make sure we can always count on that...~ [2014-10-07 13:00:52] ElGranJerry: dang, 2 hp [2014-10-07 14:54:50] Ottavino: redslash's masamune strats work well [2014-10-07 14:55:17] Ottavino: outlaws new battle is 2 sec faster [2014-10-07 14:55:24] Ottavino: juggers is a little slower [2014-10-07 15:10:08] Redslash: Hm, the attack takes 30 frames less than slash, so I thought it could be faster. But skipping the savepoint is what I really wanted~ [2014-10-07 15:14:16] Ottavino: with current strat for rhe juggers battle we can skip save point, right? [2014-10-07 15:15:50] Ottavino: when do you mid tonic frog in magus battle? [2014-10-07 15:16:02] Redslash: I suppose so, but Crono needs to do another attack on Magus, I didn't want to take too many of Frog's crits away [2014-10-07 15:16:54 | Edited 15:17:00] Redslash: Midtonic first thing during the Geyser, so Midtonic-Lightning-attack instead of Lightning-attack-Midtonic. [2014-10-07 15:19:26 | Edited 15:20:43] Redslash: I mean, Crono doesn't "need to" do an attack, but he's out of MP [2014-10-07 15:23:56] Ottavino: just tested it, is it faster if we mid ether chrono during this battle? [2014-10-07 15:26:08] Redslash: I guess Robo could do that, yeah. Maybe even the Ether from Heckran Cave? : P [2014-10-07 15:27:12] Ottavino: yeah, instead of the 1st rocket punch doing 32 dmg [2014-10-07 15:27:32] Redslash: Yeah! That would work well [2014-10-07 15:27:42] ElGranJerry: interesting [2014-10-07 15:27:45] ElGranJerry: sounds good [2014-10-07 15:28:46] Redslash: I was thinking Ether because that'd be your only one... wouldn't have to worry about mashing and using an item, lol [2014-10-07 15:29:23] ElGranJerry: isn't the damage we do to Magus before he jumps to phase 2 a little tight? Like if you slash instead of lightning (100 or so difference) he does another barrier [2014-10-07 15:29:30] ElGranJerry: idk if that would matter though [2014-10-07 15:30:05] ElGranJerry: I just was thinking on the no doomfinger thing [2014-10-07 15:30:12] Ottavino: no it's the damage in phase 1 which matters [2014-10-07 15:31:10] Ottavino: we don't change rocket roll *2 and lighting *2, so np for this [2014-10-07 15:31:25] ElGranJerry: aah [2014-10-07 15:31:34] ElGranJerry: does the doomfinger affect the rocketroll damage at all? [2014-10-07 15:31:58] Ottavino: no, rocket roll is based on chrono's and robo's magic [2014-10-07 15:32:13] ElGranJerry: sounds good then:) [2014-10-07 15:34:09] Ottavino: even without doomfinger, i finish at 0D [2014-10-07 15:35:07] ElGranJerry: sweet [2014-10-07 15:35:23] Redslash: Yeah, I forgot to equip Doomfinger once, didn't notice until way later when I was selling stuff (4900g, by the way) [2014-10-07 15:37:45] ElGranJerry: that's a lot of cash [2014-10-07 15:38:32] DrunkenDraconian: does de-equip on weapons and acc have any positives on stats like armor? [2014-10-07 15:38:56] DrunkenDraconian: lucca sounds like a nagaette physical attack when attacking with no weapon :P [2014-10-07 15:39:37] Redslash: Oh yeah, that's fun. I haven't seen any good effects though [2014-10-07 15:39:48] Ottavino: no, it's only working with armor and helm [2014-10-07 15:40:45] Ottavino: hum... haven't tested with acc because you have quickly 3 accs and you can't sell them [2014-10-07 15:41:04] Ottavino: but removing weapon doesn't change anything [2014-10-07 15:41:09] DrunkenDraconian: has anyone found an item that equips to a place it shouldn't be? [2014-10-07 15:41:36] DrunkenDraconian: like could you equip female only armor on a dude somehow? [2014-10-07 15:41:47] DrunkenDraconian: crossdressing% [2014-10-07 15:42:22] *** Group call *** [2014-10-07 15:42:29] Ottavino: the Tas with memory corruption uses that: it equips a sword at armor place for chrono to gain access to ram [2014-10-07 15:42:33] Ottavino: oops sorry [2014-10-07 15:43:03] DrunkenDraconian: oh wierd [2014-10-07 15:43:34] DrunkenDraconian: is the equip because of or the cause of the memory corruption? [2014-10-07 15:47:06] Ottavino: with the memory corruption, Inichi were able to have hide caps and bronze helms in 98 slots, and having the same type of equipment in 98 slots allows to access various memory adresses [2014-10-07 15:48:23] DrunkenDraconian: crazy [2014-10-07 15:51:53] ElGranJerry: so without the doomfinger we are 4.9k down, you can get dark mail but it sells for 1.9k i believe, or we will still get doomfinger but not equip it [2014-10-07 15:52:38] Redslash: Ah, you're down 2750 for the Miragehand [2014-10-07 15:52:57] ElGranJerry: oh true [2014-10-07 15:53:11] ElGranJerry: so we are kinda fine then [2014-10-07 15:53:13] Redslash: Darkmail should cover it, but maybe cut back on Fulltonics too (16 or 15) [2014-10-07 15:53:32] ElGranJerry: I always have like 42k [2014-10-07 15:53:37] ElGranJerry: I buy 14 full tonics [2014-10-07 15:54:26] Redslash: Oh shoot, I thought it was 17 [2014-10-07 15:54:58] ElGranJerry: The route says 14 but you don't really use them all [2014-10-07 15:55:06] ElGranJerry: but it's good to have some if you mess up shell [2014-10-07 15:56:00] Redslash: I think 11 is plenty, personally. But maybe buy 12, plus there's the Desert one [2014-10-07 15:57:17] Ottavino: ok, deequiping accessories doesn't change anything [2014-10-07 15:57:22] ElGranJerry: you use 5 for shell + 1 before retinite [2014-10-07 15:57:37] ElGranJerry: that sucks :/ [2014-10-07 16:00:00] Redslash: Right, if you follow the route exactly (using 3 before Retinite too), 9 is the minimum, so 11 means 2 extra for the Shell [2014-10-07 16:00:57] Ottavino: take an extra mid ether (the one before black tyranno) and sell one full ether? [2014-10-07 16:03:39] DrunkenDraconian: i also noticed that deequiping weapons doesn't turn off atb like on the blackbird [2014-10-07 16:04:39] ElGranJerry: Sell full ether sounds good, extra 3k [2014-10-07 16:06:36] Redslash: I mean... you might as well get the Doomfinger to sell... : P [2014-10-07 16:06:59] ElGranJerry: I was about to say that haha [2014-10-07 16:07:39] Ottavino: the blackbird isn't really a deequiping [2014-10-07 16:08:00] Ottavino: because it doesn't reduce magic or boost magic [2014-10-07 16:08:40] Ottavino: i think the blackbird remove the item, and the deequiping glitch remplace by a Null item [2014-10-07 16:10:24] DrunkenDraconian: ok, that makes sense [2014-10-07 16:12:12] Redslash: Been a long time since I've looked at equipment screens in the Blackbird... [2014-10-07 16:12:41] Redslash: Are you also prevented from equipping accessories, if you don't have the character's weapons and stuff? [2014-10-07 16:14:21] DrunkenDraconian: you can eq what you have in inventory [2014-10-07 16:14:33] DrunkenDraconian: but it resets after the blackbird to what it was before [2014-10-07 16:15:38] Ottavino: when you are in the blackbird you have nothing, you can recover each character equipment, your items, your money. speedrun route only recovers items, to equip what you had in inventory [2014-10-07 16:20:33 | Edited 16:21:16] Redslash: I wonder what a "Black Omen RTA" would look like. Could you tackle it immediately after it rises, or would that be way too awful, lol... [2014-10-07 16:21:35] DrunkenDraconian: I'd do that right now :P [2014-10-07 16:24:22] DrunkenDraconian: no sun/prism specs is iffy [2014-10-07 16:26:29] Redslash: For sure. Maybe doing the Sunstone first would be faster [2014-10-07 16:27:44] Redslash: Especially if you kept the Jerky and stuff, heh [2014-10-07 16:28:25] DrunkenDraconian: i guess you don't need red mail if you can manipulate son of sun [2014-10-07 16:35:20] Redslash: Forgot about working the Greendream in too, but that's not bad either [2014-10-07 16:37:52] DrunkenDraconian: with grean dream you wont need the shades [2014-10-07 16:38:18] Redslash: Could get Greendream earlier if the challenge is "beat Black Omen right when it rises" [2014-10-07 16:39:47] DrunkenDraconian: ohhh no crono either [2014-10-07 16:40:06] Redslash: Heh heh... [2014-10-07 16:40:46] Redslash: Also forgot Bluerock is in Giant's Claw, but probably no Flare anyway~ [2014-10-07 16:41:31] DrunkenDraconian: maybe, if you kill all 5 rubbles [2014-10-07 16:41:42] DrunkenDraconian: and fight a bunch in the omen [2014-10-07 16:42:00] Redslash: You can fight that one Rubble as many times as you want, too [2014-10-07 16:42:36] DrunkenDraconian: if you go for the blue rock there are 2 more as well [2014-10-07 16:42:56] DrunkenDraconian: and the red vest [2014-10-07 16:54:20] Redslash: Ah man, with Back-in-time, do you keep the flying Epoch? [2014-10-07 16:55:03] Redslash: That would be sweet. I need to actually check it out [2014-10-07 17:07:39] DrunkenDraconian: what do you mean? you get the flying epoch right as the omen appears [2014-10-07 17:09:37] Redslash: Like, if you then take the Epoch back to the Factory and do the skipped cutscene, can you go back through the story with it [2014-10-07 17:09:53] DrunkenDraconian: ooooohhhhhhhh [2014-10-07 17:10:01] Redslash: I mostly just want to fly around on the 12000BC "before Zeal's fall" map [2014-10-07 17:10:21] DrunkenDraconian: i've been meaning to test that [2014-10-07 19:07:17] Redslash: You know what would be really fun to route? "100% encounters", every unique fight in the game [2014-10-07 19:09:26] Redslash: Just imagine, a complete spreadsheet with all of that [2014-10-07 22:27:25] Redslash: Bah... with a new Slash fight, even ending as early as 38 (currently 6A), we can almost get on the right string in the 4-fight hall... but we need to Cyclone the guy who hits Frog in the 2nd fight (and reach AB) =( [2014-10-07 22:28:39] eLmaGus: did i miss anything in the past 2 days? [2014-10-07 22:33:13] Redslash: Hmm... =) Yesterday we talked Zombor skip cues, detoured to Lab 16, then we worked on the Masamune fight and skipping the Magus savepoint [2014-10-07 22:34:00] eLmaGus: alright [2014-10-07 22:34:09] eLmaGus: so nothing really fancy [2014-10-07 22:35:04] eLmaGus: 7 hours then im gonna try to snipe a cart on ebay [2014-10-07 22:35:07] eLmaGus: wish me luck [2014-10-07 22:35:42] Ottavino: gl eLmaGus [2014-10-07 22:38:57] Redslash: Ooh right on, good luck [2014-10-07 22:42:01] Ottavino: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/CHRONO-TRIGGER-SUPER-NINTENDO-SNES-PAL-IN-GERMAN-GAME-SPIEL-DEUTSCH-CRONO-/321462571193?pt=ES_Videojuegos&hash=item4ad8a990b9 you want to buy this one? Kappa [2014-10-07 22:42:14] eLmaGus: no lol [2014-10-08 2:58:31] Ottavino: Does the 100% encounters include the pink nu spekkio (team leader needs to be at level **)? :) [2014-10-08 4:12:37] eLmaGus: didnt get CT cart [2014-10-08 4:12:47] eLmaGus: its already at 44 euros and its 1 hour away from running out [2014-10-08 4:22:09 | Edited 4:23:08] Nihil922: thats a lot of money for just a cart [2014-10-08 4:24:59] eLmaGus: agreed [2014-10-08 4:25:02] eLmaGus: need to scout more [2014-10-08 4:25:03] eLmaGus: sadly [2014-10-08 4:25:11] eLmaGus: im really surprised too [2014-10-08 4:25:19] eLmaGus: because its a germany only auction [2014-10-08 4:45:37] Ottavino: It's really hard to find this cart under 40€ [2014-10-08 4:46:10] eLmaGus: i saw some US people sell it for 60$ buy it now [2014-10-08 4:46:12] eLmaGus: so im hoping [2014-10-08 4:46:14] eLmaGus: one day [2014-10-08 4:52:33] Ottavino: Yeah, took me 2 months to get mine [2014-10-08 7:32:18] ElGranJerry: for the heckran skip do you hold up then up+B or do you need to run first, release B and then hold again? [2014-10-08 7:32:29] ElGranJerry: can't seem to get it consistently [2014-10-08 7:53:01] Redslash: It's release B [2014-10-08 7:57:04] Redslash: Making a save at the start of Heckran's room seems a little tricky but it does work, make sure you're running when you mash menu [2014-10-08 8:11:06] DrunkenDraconian: are you buffering up+b? after you fade out on the save (as to not step off) before heckran room loads [2014-10-08 9:04:47] Ottavino: Yes, start holding up+b during the black screen to be sure of running on the 1st frame in heckran room [2014-10-08 11:15:01] Redslash: Sorry about the run Jerry, that was a new one. [2014-10-08 11:15:29] Redslash: I've beat Retinite on E3, but you must've been E0 or before [2014-10-08 11:15:41] ElGranJerry: Damn, I'm too good then [2014-10-08 11:15:49] ElGranJerry: and no problem man [2014-10-08 11:15:54] ElGranJerry: It was only a 3:08 [2014-10-08 11:15:58] ElGranJerry: no WR = bad run [2014-10-08 11:17:32] ElGranJerry: oh well, at least we know that you can kill retinite too early [2014-10-08 11:18:51] Redslash: Yeah that's crazy, I'm gonna rewatch and see if I notice anything [2014-10-08 11:20:07] ElGranJerry: same, I might have made a mistake somewhere [2014-10-08 11:20:11] ElGranJerry: I just can't remember [2014-10-08 11:21:25] Redslash: I thought maybe it'd be killing the core first, but you didn't do that... so the top part then [2014-10-08 11:21:26] DrunkenDraconian: so for a good load on new game it was buffer up and mash a right? [2014-10-08 11:22:20] Redslash: Yeah, either up or down. You need first 4 frames (07-0A) [2014-10-08 11:22:42] ElGranJerry: yeah I killed top first [2014-10-08 11:43:10] DrunkenDraconian: just got candy skip! lol [2014-10-08 11:45:27] ElGranJerry: lets find a way to get it on the way back and start doing it in runs [2014-10-08 11:46:09] Redslash: Oh jeez, like 5 candy skips? [2014-10-08 11:46:33] DrunkenDraconian: does reverse candy skip work? [2014-10-08 11:46:33] ElGranJerry: and reset over it to make it hype [2014-10-08 11:46:57] Redslash: If it's a reverse skip you want, ask Sneswarrior [2014-10-08 11:47:17] Redslash: I like this though, I think WR needs candy skip [2014-10-08 11:48:38 | Edited 11:49:02] Redslash: (But no not possible in reverse, I believe it catches you first frame, lol) [2014-10-08 11:48:57] ElGranJerry: :/ [2014-10-08 11:50:02] DrunkenDraconian: but it doesn't "cost time" right [2014-10-08 11:50:06] DrunkenDraconian: unless you miss it [2014-10-08 11:50:20] DrunkenDraconian: and even then [2014-10-08 11:50:29] Redslash: Right, it'd still save frames, since you don't have to run around the vendor lady to go up and stuff [2014-10-08 11:50:31] DrunkenDraconian: I always go for it [2014-10-08 11:51:12] Redslash: Like, you get caught and proceed down, no little backtrack [2014-10-08 11:52:10] ElGranJerry: red, is there a trick to the 2nd part of the zombor skip? [2014-10-08 11:52:14] Redslash: Oh but also, I think getting caught on the right side of the stairs is a bit faster than getting caught in the middle [2014-10-08 11:52:42] ElGranJerry: ^ worth timing [2014-10-08 11:53:35] Redslash: Hm, second part... you're doing the release-B thing, right? [2014-10-08 11:53:44] ElGranJerry: sort of [2014-10-08 11:53:55] ElGranJerry: idk if I run then release then hold again [2014-10-08 11:54:02] ElGranJerry: or like the 1st one where you walk then run [2014-10-08 11:54:22] Redslash: You want to run-release-run, yeah [2014-10-08 11:55:05] Redslash: Also, you don't need to get ahead of the guard when you save, you can even be a few pixels short of him [2014-10-08 11:55:12] Redslash: Aim to be right shoulder-to-shoulder though [2014-10-08 11:55:20] ElGranJerry: cool, I will practice that [2014-10-08 11:55:49] ElGranJerry: So saving in Heckran's room does make it harder, getting it kinda consistent now without that [2014-10-08 11:56:01] ElGranJerry: but if you miss it it's get save anywhere and try again [2014-10-08 11:56:54] ElGranJerry: gotta make sure not to miss it then [2014-10-08 11:58:42] Ottavino: I send a image for the good position for 2nd part zombor skip [2014-10-08 12:01:08] Ottavino: Will do also for 1st part, we could use .jpg or .gif files in the route :) [2014-10-08 12:01:56] Redslash: Dang, I like that idea [2014-10-08 12:03:17] DrunkenDraconian: the shelter in the cathedral seems easier for me to get over the one in the castle, I'd assume they are about the same time to get [2014-10-08 12:05:09] Ottavino: When you take the shelter in the castle, its position is on top of 2nd page, you just need to press L in factory to use it [2014-10-08 12:07:27] Redslash: Huh, that might be... I still wanna skip the cake too [2014-10-08 12:10:25] Ottavino: :( oh, I like cake [2014-10-08 12:10:46] DrunkenDraconian: no cake or candy? diet%? [2014-10-08 12:11:42] Redslash: You're right. Soup skip. [2014-10-08 12:24:59] ElGranJerry: gif files for the route sound nice [2014-10-08 13:00:18] ElGranJerry: so I'm changing the route so that the shelter before magus can be skipped as discussed yesterday [2014-10-08 13:00:34] ElGranJerry: should we get doomfinger but not equip? Or get a mid ether and sell the full one? [2014-10-08 13:19:06] Redslash: Selling an item like a Fullether sounds risky to me... Darkmail doesn't take any time to grab, and if getting a chest before Tyrano is actually faster than Doomfinger, I think grab the Ceratopper (left) instead of Midether (right) [2014-10-08 13:20:10] ElGranJerry: darkmail should be fine, I was checking the money route and you are about 2k up if you buy what the route says [2014-10-08 13:20:41] ElGranJerry: so no sell mirage hand is -2.7 but add the dark mail 1.9 makes it good [2014-10-08 13:23:48] Redslash: Oh yeah, I forgot you had that much extra... Well, a spare Midether to use/sell may not hurt, either from there or somewhere else [2014-10-08 13:25:22] ElGranJerry: I'll add dark mail then for now [2014-10-08 14:40:26] Redslash: Also Ottavino I thought about it, and yes, Pink Nu for 100% encounters [2014-10-08 14:42:05] Redslash: Probably need a catchier name though, if this is ever gonna be a successful meme category... [2014-10-08 14:43:16] Ottavino: there will be hours of leveling [2014-10-08 14:43:47] Ottavino: unless you found a way to have this battle without being at level ** [2014-10-08 14:47:05] Redslash: I think the grinding could be less than half of the run, at least [2014-10-08 14:47:40] Redslash: I actually have no idea at all what level you'd be after fighting everything [2014-10-08 14:48:35] Ottavino: around 55? [2014-10-08 14:48:51] Ottavino: i bet 100 on level 55 [2014-10-08 14:49:35] Redslash: Wow [2014-10-08 14:49:52] Ottavino: (100 G) [2014-10-08 14:51:43] Redslash: Ha ha! That bet was strong [2014-10-08 14:52:19 | Edited 14:52:55] Redslash: I was like, man... he's done this before... he must have... X) [2014-10-08 14:53:34] Ottavino: no really, i have absolutly no idea at which level you can be [2014-10-08 14:56:28] Redslash: Probably be not much different from doing 100% as a kid and grinding a bit here and there along the way... heck if I remember the level though [2014-10-08 15:01:38] Redslash: How time-consuming is this gonna be, tracking down every fight.... lol [2014-10-08 15:02:07] Redslash: You gotta fall in holes and stuff... oh dear [2014-10-08 15:02:42] Ottavino: yeah, how many times do you need to do reptite lair? [2014-10-08 15:06:53] Redslash: Just 4, but that won't be fun. I think we're skipping chests though (definitely) [2014-10-08 15:08:36] Ottavino: jerry, i just saw your retinite fight, for killing the top part i always wait for ayla menu, because i can input her cat attack during the spincut animation [2014-10-08 15:08:48] Ottavino: i input* [2014-10-08 15:55:43] Redslash: Here's good news, just in case... if on Guardian you Falcon and hold X (safe to do normally too), then do 5 Slashes on Heckran... that'll put you back on track [2014-10-08 15:57:02] Redslash: You have to take a "Yes indeed!" though [2014-10-08 15:59:25] Redslash: Oh, also means you don't have to worry if your backup load is too fast [2014-10-08 15:59:49] ElGranJerry: will do Ottavino, I will rewatch your run and check that. [2014-10-08 16:00:07] ElGranJerry: so that means attack with Lucca? [2014-10-08 16:00:14] ElGranJerry: or hold X you mean as usual (Crono Attack) [2014-10-08 16:00:31] Redslash: Yeah, Lucca and Crono both attack [2014-10-08 16:02:11] ElGranJerry: is there a way to know if you're not on track before that? Since you normally just Crono Attack [2014-10-08 16:02:25] ElGranJerry: or does it not matter if on trac you do lucca then crono attack [2014-10-08 16:04:39] Ottavino: falcon hit damage [2014-10-08 16:05:41 | Edited 16:06:01] Redslash: Yeah you can tell from D.Tank, but if you're on the right string already the extra attack on Guardian doesn't matter [2014-10-08 16:06:32] Redslash: On the wrong string, it bumps you from 60 to 62~ [2014-10-08 16:07:54] ElGranJerry: cool [2014-10-08 16:08:05] ElGranJerry: which of the 3 damages should I look for in DTank? [2014-10-08 16:08:12] ElGranJerry: or all [2014-10-08 16:09:01] Redslash: I just watch center. 758 and 768(I think?) are good [2014-10-08 16:10:06] Redslash: And you had 776.. [2014-10-08 16:11:28] ElGranJerry: aah, okok [2014-10-08 16:11:31] ElGranJerry: I did not know that [2014-10-08 16:11:43] ElGranJerry: Good to know [2014-10-08 16:13:37] Ottavino: 2036/758/1086 or 2032/776/1072 are good [2014-10-08 16:18:37] Redslash: Oh dang, really... 2014/776/1086 is early, and I suppose there could be another one too [2014-10-08 16:40:56 | Edited 16:42:07] Redslash: Ok yeah... Poly/Imp can give 2 early values, F4/F6 or 09 (09 is also early load), and both lead to the same Guardian/Heckran [2014-10-08 18:11:45] DrunkenDraconian: oh man, the new heckran and zombor skips feel much easier on console over emu, I've never noticed as much difference before this [2014-10-08 19:44:40] Redslash: Magus RTA looks fun, skips all my least favorite bosses [2014-10-08 19:57:23] ElGranJerry: it is fun [2014-10-08 19:57:30] ElGranJerry: you get to skip some items and shit [2014-10-08 19:58:03] Redslash: Yeah, I like that you don't need the Stud/Earring [2014-10-08 19:58:10] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-10-08 19:58:54] Redslash: I think it needs a leaderboard, just my opinion [2014-10-08 20:03:13 | Edited 20:03:37] Redslash: Magus is way more than halfway thru the game now though... "repair the Masamune" is probably more in the spirit of that [2014-10-08 20:06:35 | Edited 20:07:03] Redslash: Man I haven't been to SRL in ages... when I discovered streams I was always here, never went to twitch.tv til like a year later [2014-10-08 20:07:32] ElGranJerry: same, I used to check pretty often [2014-10-08 20:07:35] ElGranJerry: not anymore [2014-10-08 20:08:54 | Edited 20:10:05] Redslash: It's a lot more hype though. I mean suppose Twitch put "top current streams" or "recommended for you" on the same page you're on =P [2014-10-08 20:10:57] ElGranJerry: for sure [2014-10-08 20:12:12] ElGranJerry: I always click Chrono Trigger on the new followed games thingy. All lets plays :( [2014-10-08 20:14:28] Redslash: Yeah, that's a neat new feature at least [2014-10-08 20:15:09] Redslash: I hold faith in let's players, they're just looking for a game to settle down with [2014-10-08 20:15:39] Redslash: Some of them [2014-10-08 20:16:22] ElGranJerry: some, yup [2014-10-08 20:16:43] ElGranJerry: couple of people asking about CT runs lately, hopefully new runners soon [2014-10-08 20:19:59] Redslash: Yeah, that's exciting. Folks who come to your stream, and Seabass on #chrono... [2014-10-08 20:20:57] Redslash: I kinda want to move discussion to #chrono, but not sure if IRC is most convenient for all of us presently... [2014-10-08 20:22:34 | Edited 20:23:38] Redslash: What I'd like to do (I'm figuring it out) is set up an IRC bouncer, so if folks want to stay connected on mobile, or retrieve logs even when they haven't been connected, they can do so... [2014-10-08 20:23:54] ElGranJerry: that's a huge downside of irc and the reason I really don't use it. You miss a lot of the conversation if you're not connected [2014-10-08 20:25:50] Redslash: Aye, so I think a bouncer would be really nice. You can set it up to keep as many accounts connected as you want (the host can't see your activity, just acts as a go-between) [2014-10-08 20:26:09] Redslash: So like, a bouncer specific to #chrono, or something like that [2014-10-08 20:26:51 | Edited 20:27:45] Redslash: I think it'd be really sweet if SRL themselves provided that kind of service, but.. ah well~ [2014-10-08 20:29:01] Redslash: There are web-based bouncers and stuff you can use, for a monthly fee [2014-10-08 20:33:38] ElGranJerry: but but I don't want a monthly fee :( [2014-10-08 20:34:43] Redslash: No, you don't D: [2014-10-08 20:35:18] Redslash: I have a buddy helping me work on setting one up though, I don't think it's very complicated at all [2014-10-08 20:35:37] Redslash: That is, hosting a free one we can use [2014-10-08 20:35:51] ElGranJerry: oh really? That's interesting [2014-10-08 20:37:43] Redslash: Because it's also a dream of mine to make an IRC bot for flashcards, which can pop up on someone's mobile when the card is due for review [2014-10-08 20:38:44] Redslash: I explored using text messages, but that's pretty cumbersome [2014-10-09 6:59:35] ElGranJerry: Mashing A makes your character get up faster after you revive with greendream? [2014-10-09 6:59:50] ElGranJerry: Feels like it [2014-10-09 7:03:10] eLmaGus: uh [2014-10-09 7:03:13] Nihil922: yes [2014-10-09 7:03:15] eLmaGus: you leave text speed at 5 [2014-10-09 7:03:20] eLmaGus: but you can skip the text with A [2014-10-09 7:03:24] eLmaGus: you didnt know that? lol [2014-10-09 7:03:42] eLmaGus: battle text speed taht is [2014-10-09 7:04:30] Ottavino: don't mash A, hold A :) [2014-10-09 7:04:39] eLmaGus: ^ [2014-10-09 7:05:41] ElGranJerry: Will do. I did not know that rofl [2014-10-09 7:05:44] ElGranJerry: Thanks [2014-10-09 13:54:00 | Edited 13:56:24] Redslash: Reverse Bird softlock isn't about walls, every tile in this row is bad https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxTGdVdUtOQUtHb1k/edit [2014-10-09 13:54:29 | Edited 13:56:13] Redslash: There's no tile on the 3 rows below this (vertical walls, or flowers) where you can softlock [2014-10-09 14:08:08] ElGranJerry: oh wow, nice [2014-10-09 14:08:22] Redslash: Gosh dang, is there a way to make sharing default for Google Drive? X) [2014-10-09 14:09:38] Redslash: But yeah I was surprised, glad I didn't find this out in a run [2014-10-09 14:10:35] Ottavino: Didn't know this, because I always save below that point [2014-10-09 14:11:03] Ottavino: Thanks Red :) [2014-10-09 14:18:24] Redslash: No prob. (And ok it's still "about walls," don't go past vertical) [2014-10-09 21:37:04] Redslash: Got a good start on J re-routing today, at least Lucca doesn't die on D.Tank anymore... also funny to see how much I relied on the mash load [2014-10-09 21:38:50] Redslash: I decided to cut out everything that's the same as in English, and only show what's different [2014-10-10 7:54:59] DrunkenDraconian: so race this weekend? [2014-10-10 12:00:00] ElGranJerry: sure [2014-10-10 12:36:39] Redslash: Yo Jerry grats on the PB! So close to 3:10 crew, I guess you'll skip it, heh [2014-10-10 12:46:55] ElGranJerry: thanks man :) [2014-10-10 12:47:17] ElGranJerry: Hopefully I do, run was pretty bad but PB was free with those 4-5 min saved at the end [2014-10-10 12:55:41] Redslash: Yeah dude, end looked really solid, well done [2014-10-10 12:56:08] Redslash: I think it'd be cool to join in on a race, I need to be doing runs, lol... [2014-10-10 13:10:37] ElGranJerry: where's the run DD? More than a couple hours have passed [2014-10-10 13:11:25] DrunkenDraconian: OMG fine [2014-10-10 13:11:41] Redslash: Takes time to find a good split background picture [2014-10-10 13:11:50] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-10-10 13:12:03] DrunkenDraconian: eneded up ordering food, that stuff takes time [2014-10-10 13:12:08] DrunkenDraconian: just stuffing my face now [2014-10-10 13:13:03] ElGranJerry: nice [2014-10-10 13:13:05] ElGranJerry: what did you get [2014-10-10 13:13:33] DrunkenDraconian: a thanksgiving pizza :P gravy stuffing turkey and cheese [2014-10-10 13:14:29] Redslash: Wow, sounds pretty good [2014-10-10 13:14:41] ElGranJerry: sounds interesting [2014-10-10 13:20:54] Redslash: I can never bring myself to buy "meals," best I can do is expensive bread [2014-10-10 13:21:10] Redslash: So I'm eating "Dave's Killer Bread" at the moment [2014-10-10 13:46:31] DrunkenDraconian: I'm doing it Jerry [2014-10-10 13:48:44] ElGranJerry: :O :O :O :O :O :O [2014-10-10 13:48:58] Redslash: He's doin' it! [2014-10-10 13:49:07] ElGranJerry: Sub 3:10 or we riot! [2014-10-10 14:51:05] Nihil922: are the notes on leaderboards up to date? [2014-10-10 14:51:30] ElGranJerry: yes [2014-10-10 14:51:37] Nihil922: nice [2014-10-10 14:51:39] ElGranJerry: All except the heckran and zombor skip [2014-10-10 14:51:51] Nihil922: ok, but i got the videos for those [2014-10-10 14:51:57] ElGranJerry: yup [2014-10-10 17:24:25] DrunkenDraconian: I've been thinknig of making videos of optimal movement in areas [2014-10-10 17:25:17] DrunkenDraconian: like lab 16, tyrano lair etc [2014-10-10 17:27:20] Redslash: That would be pretty sweet... With voiceover? [2014-10-10 17:27:49] DrunkenDraconian: for less intuitive ones yeah [2014-10-10 17:29:10] Redslash: Yeah that'd be really cool. I don't think anyone's done a full tutorial since Kilaye's, but things are changing so often now... X) [2014-10-10 17:30:22] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, and having the tutorial segmented in a way that, barring any big changes, you can update what needs to be as it changes [2014-10-10 17:30:55] DrunkenDraconian: it'll be helpfull having more eyes on movement as well [2014-10-10 17:31:17] DrunkenDraconian: I know I do things differently than others [2014-10-10 17:32:11] DrunkenDraconian: the rolly skip in magus' castle should be consistent enough that everyone does it [2014-10-10 17:32:15] DrunkenDraconian: err both of them [2014-10-10 17:36:28] Redslash: Oh yeah, I really like your Denadoro waterfall fight skip as well, I think it's way more consistent... [2014-10-10 17:36:53] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, i find the rock 50/50 [2014-10-10 17:37:18] DrunkenDraconian: you juse need to be carefull you don't fall down the first waterfall [2014-10-10 17:37:29] Redslash: Right on, I haven't missed it in a long time, but my setup isn't all that simple [2014-10-10 17:37:52] Redslash: I just run "halfway up," mostly feel [2014-10-10 17:38:54] Redslash: I mean, with that method, I believe it depends on how fast you get there too.. [2014-10-10 17:39:06] DrunkenDraconian: i think of it as a variation on the at skip in heckran's cave [2014-10-10 17:39:14] DrunkenDraconian: bat* [2014-10-10 17:42:18] Redslash: Yeah, legit. Top way is a bit like passing the Lab 16 mutant from higher up, but that one's just harder to control [2014-10-10 17:43:04] DrunkenDraconian: it kind of felt that how the bg was scrolling affected if you got in the fight or not [2014-10-10 17:48:53] Redslash: Yeah, I think you're right. Depending on how you hit a corner, it'll push you down one pixel or two pixels.. so there's sweet spots [2014-10-10 17:51:07] Redslash: So probably that mutant corner needs to push you 2 pixels and 1 isn't enough, whereas 2 pixels for this waterfall skip is bad [2014-10-10 17:54:44] DrunkenDraconian: oh i did not know that you could skip it from the top, you are talking about the 1st or 2 mutants on the last screen of 16 right? [2014-10-10 17:54:59] DrunkenDraconian: of* [2014-10-10 17:55:40] Redslash: Oh I'm just drawing an analogy to skipping the Denadoro fight from the top [2014-10-10 17:55:54] DrunkenDraconian: i see [2014-10-10 17:56:33] DrunkenDraconian: it could also be the direction you are facing [2014-10-10 17:58:38] DrunkenDraconian: looking at the door before ozzy if you face the walls you don't trigger the battle [2014-10-10 17:59:22] Redslash: Yeah, it's being pushed an extra pixel down that makes you miss it [2014-10-10 17:59:27] Redslash: Oh wow, really? [2014-10-10 17:59:37] Redslash: Like, can you just stand there? [2014-10-10 18:00:01] DrunkenDraconian: ahhhh, not sure [2014-10-10 18:00:20] DrunkenDraconian: but it always triggers if you facae up [2014-10-10 18:00:34] Redslash: Heh heh, probably not. I wonder why that is though, that pops up in a few places.. [2014-10-10 18:00:39] DrunkenDraconian: and you have to hope to move intot he teleport trigger after the battle ad triggered [2014-10-10 18:01:46] DrunkenDraconian: i assume maybe certain triggers can only be triggered by the players facing side [2014-10-10 18:02:54] Redslash: I think it's just movement direction in most cases, facing direction is incidental [2014-10-10 18:03:07] Redslash: Or, I could be wrong. [2014-10-10 18:04:00] Redslash: Considering in TAS you can get over trigger by moving right while facing left, I'm probably wrong. [2014-10-10 18:04:10] DrunkenDraconian: but if it is coded in a way that "if" we could walk backwards we can skip more triggers [2014-10-10 18:04:12] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2014-10-10 18:04:33] DrunkenDraconian: has that been determined impossible [2014-10-10 18:04:48] DrunkenDraconian: future skip man [2014-10-10 18:05:34] Redslash: Hehe. If you could just press left & right at the same time, dunno if that's legal [2014-10-10 18:05:44] DrunkenDraconian: it is [2014-10-10 18:06:21] DrunkenDraconian: well as long as you agree with establsihed rules [2014-10-10 18:07:05] DrunkenDraconian: it is illegal that is [2014-10-10 18:07:24] Redslash: Seems like you'd have to abide by the original hardware... I've never really thought about it though [2014-10-10 18:07:32] DrunkenDraconian: you would ahve to modify a controller to so that [2014-10-10 18:10:22] Redslash: Seems like a pretty grey area, but I guess it's not as major as installing turbo or something [2014-10-10 18:10:57] Redslash: I've also wondered about adding extra "combo" buttons and stuff : P [2014-10-10 18:13:37] Redslash: Or like, "press to toggle" a button's on/off state [2014-10-10 18:14:47] Redslash: (Could be purely mechanical, click in and out) [2014-10-10 18:14:59] DrunkenDraconian: i think for runs it should be as close to original hardware as available to the runner [2014-10-10 18:15:19] DrunkenDraconian: I'm down with turbo personally [2014-10-10 18:15:33] DrunkenDraconian: i've never used scripting controllers [2014-10-10 18:17:35] DrunkenDraconian: I've been looking at getting a j cart, like 15 bux on ebay [2014-10-10 18:17:47] DrunkenDraconian: learn me some LSS [2014-10-10 18:18:41] Redslash: Ooh, nice. It's fun stuff. [2014-10-10 18:20:40] Redslash: Routing it however is a pain...!! But it's alright. [2014-10-10 18:22:33] Redslash: I hate that you can't even beat D.Tank at level 3 like on English... Things just don't fit together as smoothly, E route is too OP [2014-10-10 18:33:27] DrunkenDraconian: are the damage calcs different? or is it unequip? [2014-10-10 18:46:06] Redslash: Yeah it's because of the unequip... all the same stats, but at the moment Antipode is doing 50% and Crono's Slash 40%... lol [2014-10-10 18:47:42] Redslash: But there's sick scripting possible yet. I have a Masamune fight that breaks even with English, with Berserker on Robo [2014-10-10 18:48:23] DrunkenDraconian: Awwwe Robo is bashfull [2014-10-10 18:51:16] Redslash: Ha ha... I'm gonna go all out on Magus and see how much time Rocketroll loses compared to Firesword. Even with 10 Fireswords in a row, the fight is 12 seconds slower than E... [2014-10-11 1:58:53] Ottavino: What time do you want to do the race? [2014-10-11 6:43:55] DrunkenDraconian: I'm good anytime today [2014-10-11 6:47:34] DrunkenDraconian: I was planning on doing a run here in an hour, so it could be then or it could be after.. [2014-10-11 7:09:14] Ottavino: Ok, available near 6-7pm est [2014-10-11 7:11:31] DrunkenDraconian: so in 6-7 hours, Im good for that [2014-10-11 7:31:23] Nihil922: so.. how much do i buy at the market after zenan bridge? the notes say 21 mid tonics, 11 shelters 11 revives, but i can only afford 5 revives if i buy all that [2014-10-11 7:32:12] Ottavino: How many rats stole you? [2014-10-11 7:32:27] Nihil922: none i think [2014-10-11 7:32:38] Nihil922: only stole a tonic [2014-10-11 7:34:24] Nihil922: after selling everything, i end up with 4861 gold [2014-10-11 7:38:32] Ottavino: Need to check, but I think I'm around 5500g [2014-10-11 7:39:12] Nihil922: should i have picked up an item somewhere? [2014-10-11 7:39:36] Ottavino: Plasma gun in factory [2014-10-11 7:39:46] Nihil922: ok, i didnt get that [2014-10-11 7:40:25] Nihil922: its not in the notes [2014-10-11 7:40:35] DrunkenDraconian: plasma gun and hammer arm are not in the notes [2014-10-11 7:40:39] Ottavino: Damn, sorry [2014-10-11 7:40:44] DrunkenDraconian: i usually get both for safety [2014-10-11 7:41:44 | Edited 7:42:06] Ottavino: Hammer arm was no longer needed, but with the new no doomfinger strat, I think we need to take it now [2014-10-11 7:43:45] DrunkenDraconian: plasma gun is mostly free, you can trigger the password prompt quickly anyway [2014-10-11 7:48:39] ElGranJerry: damn, I am sorry Nihil, forgot about that [2014-10-11 7:49:05] Ottavino: With no mistake, you only need 5 revives (3 for black tyranno and 2 for lavos shell) [2014-10-11 7:49:55] Nihil922: well, im just learning the new route with savestates, so tis fine [2014-10-11 7:50:08 | Edited 7:50:14] Nihil922: and i can pick up some extra money [2014-10-11 7:50:46] DrunkenDraconian: you can sell a midether for some cash to buy more then pick up the extra climbing the mountain to ayla after magus [2014-10-11 7:51:20] ElGranJerry: or the one in Tyranno Lair [2014-10-11 7:51:30] ElGranJerry: If you're low on cash I normally get less mid tonics but I'd rather get the 11 revives for safety [2014-10-11 7:51:55] Ottavino: Yeah, I think 11 mid tonics is enough [2014-10-11 7:52:29] DrunkenDraconian: as lnog as you bring robo to the fight with magus Kappa [2014-10-11 7:52:40] Nihil922: well, i already picked up the mid ether in the kitchen [2014-10-11 7:52:43] Nihil922: so i can sell that i guess [2014-10-11 7:53:54] ElGranJerry: true [2014-10-11 7:54:28] ElGranJerry: you can always buy stuff you need at enhasa since you get the full tonics there [2014-10-11 7:54:39] ElGranJerry: If you are low during a run [2014-10-11 7:56:56] Ottavino: 1 masamune, 3 before slash, 2 slash, 1 magus, 1 black tyranno, 2 before magus lavos (so 10) and you get 1 on the guard and at least 2 on the volcano battles in tyranno lair [2014-10-11 8:01:05] DrunkenDraconian: and the one for frog at lavos [2014-10-11 8:01:47] DrunkenDraconian: or can you use a full for that one? [2014-10-11 8:02:09] Ottavino: Which one? [2014-10-11 8:02:35] ElGranJerry: heal frog before the final elixir glitch [2014-10-11 8:02:43] Ottavino: Oh yeah [2014-10-11 8:03:42] Ottavino: Forgot this one, a full can also work [2014-10-11 9:03:19] Ottavino: for the 1st fight in sunken desert, cast ice with marle when chrono menu appears: it links spincut to ice and chrono doesn't get attacked by the hexapod [2014-10-11 11:54:51] Redslash: Safe strat for Slash, where you MT Frog? If you hold off Robo's attack, Crono gets hit instead, then Robo atk, MT on Frog, proceed as normal... Frog will take a "Yes indeed" first, mash with Crono so he uses MT on self (16 frames) [2014-10-11 11:55:29 | Edited 11:56:17] Redslash: Extra Midtonic, and extra Robo attack at the end, because Slash has 7hp left :\ Same number of "Yes indeed"s though [2014-10-11 11:58:36] Redslash: Crono wasn't doing anything with that turn at least, and you can hesitate Robo's killing blow (or let Frog do it) so Crono has a chance to use Tech [2014-10-11 11:59:45] ElGranJerry: sweeet, sounds great man [2014-10-11 12:11:38] DrunkenDraconian: so is it just Otta that wanted to race? should we race to Magus/the whole thing? [2014-10-11 12:12:23] ElGranJerry: I want to but I can't make it :( [2014-10-11 12:13:37] DrunkenDraconian: perhaps something crazy, Magus V Magus RTA [2014-10-11 12:32:17] Redslash: I forgot the Powerglove lol... Slash had 6hp when I did the normal strat [2014-10-11 12:41:02] Redslash: So it's not an extra attack, just that extra MT. (And I promise that's all I forgot, was looking for the best place for it in the route, haha) [2014-10-11 13:03:32] Ottavino: For Slash: this strat only works on SNES/emu! [2014-10-11 13:04:04] Redslash: Dang, I hoped that wouldn't be the case! [2014-10-11 13:06:38] Redslash: What happens on VC, Slash still attacks Frog? [2014-10-11 13:15:49] Redslash: Why does movement have to be different, sheesh... [2014-10-11 13:16:07] ElGranJerry: that sucks :( [2014-10-11 13:16:17] Redslash: Like, hmm... what happens if you start holding X the way you must for the Naga-ettes...? [2014-10-11 13:16:51] Redslash: Oh the fight doesn't even start with that, dang [2014-10-11 13:42:24] Ottavino: Yes on vc he attacks frog [2014-10-11 14:39:20] Redslash: Bummer... [2014-10-11 15:55:00] Redslash: Heh, kind of a visual cue for the 8-framer though... right when Slash plants himself in front of the candle [2014-10-11 16:03:20] Ottavino: Sorry DD :-( , I won't be able to race tonight, I'm still at a birthday party and I will be home in a few hours [2014-10-11 16:25:21] DrunkenDraconian: no worries man [2014-10-11 16:25:32] DrunkenDraconian: it's sat night [2014-10-11 16:28:26] DrunkenDraconian: You don't mind if i use that =DD= thing red? [2014-10-11 16:43:25] Redslash: Oh dude, go for it! X) [2014-10-11 17:27:02] ElGranJerry: Do you think streaming pb vid below splits is worth it for CT? [2014-10-11 17:27:13] ElGranJerry: I am unsure on how it would look [2014-10-11 17:28:05] DrunkenDraconian: the game is mostly scripted at this point so i think it's a good candidate for that [2014-10-11 17:30:15] ElGranJerry: I might try that next time I stream [2014-10-12 23:14:53] Redslash: Dang, had a crazy Masamune fight... Lucca died and he walked around below Crono and couldn't do anything [2014-10-12 23:15:07] Redslash: The smv I got of it doesn't even play back correctly, lol... [2014-10-13 10:11:20] ElGranJerry: oh dang, that sounds amazing lol [2014-10-13 12:18:24 | Edited 12:18:39] Ottavino: A weird thing happened to me too when I was practicing masamune on vc: he attacked chrono before chrono's second critical, and battle was messed up. I tried to reproduce that but masamune didn't do this for the next tries... [2014-10-13 12:20:24] Redslash: I've gotten that too, but it seemed rare enough not to worry about. I'd like to find out why it happens [2014-10-13 12:29:34] Redslash: In one of my first scripts, Lucca needed to attack Masa before he hit Crono. Even though it was just holding X, it would fail 25% of the time, pretty bad [2014-10-13 12:35:37] Redslash: So it might just be 1 bad frame in 16 or more, easily avoidable [2014-10-13 14:20:23] ElGranJerry: I got that Masa attack Crono thing once as well, hasn't happened to me in a run luckily [2014-10-13 16:19:48] ElGranJerry: Tried 2 more offline runs after I stopped streaming, couldn't get past DTank [2014-10-13 16:19:58] ElGranJerry: Guess today isn't a good day for me [2014-10-14 15:59:26] Redslash: Hmm, the Nu in 65M takes 85 seconds, IF you can defeat it before it hits you... and with Ayla Berserk crit, Robo Berserk crit, Crono Slash, Ayla crit, I do exactly 1234 damage, mwa ha... [2014-10-14 16:00:43] Redslash: Getting Firesword for Magus takes 135 seconds total though, too bad [2014-10-14 16:02:33] ElGranJerry: and how much does it speedup the magus fight by? [2014-10-14 16:11:26] Redslash: Firesword does 350, Rocketroll 210, Lightning 170... probably not gonna be that much =P [2014-10-14 16:14:44] Redslash: Fire strat is all optimized to compare against though, that's what I mostly wanted [2014-10-14 16:21:58] DrunkenDraconian: what if you get the demon edge with the new jerkey cash? [2014-10-14 16:22:14] DrunkenDraconian: or is slasher better [2014-10-14 16:25:27] DrunkenDraconian: that wouls make slash faster too right? [2014-10-14 16:25:43] ElGranJerry: it costs 65k dude [2014-10-14 16:25:57] ElGranJerry: unless you buy I believe before Zeal Palace you can get it for like 20 [2014-10-14 16:31:31] ElGranJerry: 17k in the Terra Cave apparently [2014-10-14 16:32:03] Redslash: Yeah, pretty spendy, probably be incredible for Magus though [2014-10-14 16:32:12] ElGranJerry: for sure [2014-10-14 16:32:20] ElGranJerry: lets find a way to get extra 60k fast [2014-10-14 16:33:32] Redslash: Save Fritz for 10k, perfect bike race 15k each time, I believe... heh [2014-10-14 16:34:05] DrunkenDraconian: what's a perfect bike race? [2014-10-14 16:37:40] ElGranJerry: 15k? I thought you got Full Ethers [2014-10-14 16:39:24] ElGranJerry: oh yeah, 5 full ethers = 15k my bad lmao [2014-10-14 16:39:54] ElGranJerry: You can rerace Johnny and get some rewards DD, I "found" out about it last week lmao [2014-10-14 16:50:37] DrunkenDraconian: haha [2014-10-14 16:50:49] DrunkenDraconian: this game is like zelda right? you can steal from shops [2014-10-14 16:54:11] DrunkenDraconian: so the snes supports rgb out, I did not know this until yesterday [2014-10-14 16:55:04] DrunkenDraconian: having a progressive scan signal from component connection is godly [2014-10-14 16:56:19] Redslash: Oh yeah, it's very convenient for streaming too, don't need a splitter [2014-10-14 16:57:34] DrunkenDraconian: i picked up a scart to component setup yesterday for almost nothing [2014-10-14 16:57:42] DrunkenDraconian: I can see the pixles [2014-10-14 17:02:46] ElGranJerry: oooh [2014-10-14 17:06:27] ElGranJerry: I did a tutorial for Zombor Skip but my voice didn't get recorded rofl [2014-10-14 17:06:28] ElGranJerry: too bad [2014-10-14 17:10:16] DrunkenDraconian: crap [2014-10-14 17:10:49] ElGranJerry: It was a 4 min tutorial, I finally pulled a good one and RIP [2014-10-14 17:10:51] ElGranJerry: :( [2014-10-15 0:01:03] Redslash: Wow! Jumps in the enemy value are due to targeting an enemy that dies and your attack getting redirected [2014-10-15 0:12:18] Redslash: In case we needed another reason to input Catattack same time as Crono, to kill Retinite Core [2014-10-15 0:24:04] Redslash: So a Berserked member probably settles on a target way before his/her turn is up, which is why it happens so often there [2014-10-15 21:36:45] ElGranJerry: Really Spekkio... https://secure.twitch.tv/elgranjerry/v/45381999 [2014-10-15 21:36:50] ElGranJerry: Ultimate troll [2014-10-15 22:05:41] Redslash: This is really subtle, but it's all I've got... maybe the way your controller handles the upper-right corner? On your 2nd pass, you might've barely slid past that checkpoint facing right, when you're meant to be facing down [2014-10-15 22:06:10] Redslash: Otherwise I have absolutely no idea, looks totally good [2014-10-15 22:08:20] ElGranJerry: Dang dude. The checkpoint is really precise then [2014-10-15 22:08:43] ElGranJerry: Must be that, or spekkio being a troll [2014-10-15 22:08:53] ElGranJerry: No other explanation [2014-10-15 22:10:27] ElGranJerry: Gotta wake up in 5 hours :/ Good night man :) [2014-10-15 22:11:12] Redslash: Aw dang, good night dude! Catch ya later =) [2014-10-15 22:31:30 | Edited 22:32:21] Redslash: I mean, I suppose they verify your direction on the 1st frame you touch them; check for left, check for right, check for down [2014-10-15 22:47:30] Redslash: I have no idea, maybe it checks for not a "wrong" direction, or something totally else [2014-10-15 22:48:30] Redslash: We'd better just do it this way every time, to be really sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlGBShpC5_A&t=49m40s [2014-10-16 7:14:56] ElGranJerry: nice, tas strat for spekkio. ezpz [2014-10-16 17:17:24] ElGranJerry: Dude Red it just happened again, but I didn't record it [2014-10-16 17:17:35] ElGranJerry: I am going to get a new rom [2014-10-16 17:17:40] ElGranJerry: spekkio is OP in mine [2014-10-16 17:28:09] Redslash: Dang. I dunno, that slide in the corner just stood out to me because it normally shouldn't be possible [2014-10-16 17:29:00] Redslash: Like the controller signalling "right" and "down" on alternating frames or something [2014-10-16 17:34:56] Redslash: Might have to do with handling gradual angle change, for a stick [2014-10-16 17:35:06] ElGranJerry: probably [2014-10-16 17:35:19] ElGranJerry: only explanation [2014-10-16 17:38:20] Redslash: All I've got at the moment =P Maybe even try a different emulator version..? [2014-10-16 17:42:19] ElGranJerry: yeah, I was looking into other SNES emus that aren't snes9x [2014-10-16 23:09:16] Redslash: I worked on the RNG explanation some more, hopefully making it easier for beginners to understand, and share around http://pastebin.com/PgtDt9Yz [2014-10-16 23:12:06 | Edited 23:12:24] Redslash: I'm not gonna post it anywhere quite yet (might be missing something I haven't thought of) [2014-10-17 1:02:38] Redslash: Could add the range of what 0026 initializes to, for each window... probably too much. [2014-10-17 1:04:31] Redslash: Thinking up a script to quickly catch all the initial values of any encounter, more data to analyze... zzz... [2014-10-17 15:05:18] ElGranJerry: Pastebin is pretty nice man [2014-10-17 17:03:04] Redslash: Thanks dude. For the sake of completion: http://pastebin.com/4hgCzsLj [2014-10-17 17:05:06] ElGranJerry: nice :) [2014-10-17 22:03:15] Redslash: For New Game, if you do a 0.5-second load, take 0 hits from Blue Imps, you only have 1 crit for 1st Rolyriders, but can hold X for the 2 Rolyriders (no wait), and reg attack on Naga-ette saves 1/2 second [2014-10-17 22:04:12] Redslash: Would save 3 seconds total. However, the Naga-ettes don't seem as co-operative in their movement, so it may not be viable [2014-10-17 23:45:19 | Edited 23:51:44] Redslash: (Blue Imp>4D, Rolyrider>8E, Rolyrider>BF) [2014-10-18 0:01:13] Redslash: Just attacking the Naga-ette quickly, not holding X (Lucca's atb reaches half or full), it seems pretty doable on snes/emu [2014-10-18 0:06:49] Redslash: Never mind, that was for C2. Not having any trouble with BF now, probably because I got the lucky position [2014-10-18 1:36:28] Redslash: Dang, if you only needed the Nu, then Firesword on Magus would be faster... that other 18TP tho, rip [2014-10-18 16:12:02] Redslash: LOL, I finished a Low Level game by elixir-glitching Ocean Palace Lavos [2014-10-18 16:12:17] Redslash: I hope everyone's ready for Low Level runs [2014-10-18 16:15:57] eLmaGus: Low% incoming [2014-10-18 16:16:04] eLmaGus: but i kinda figured it would be that easy [2014-10-18 16:18:54] Redslash: Yep. All you do is alternate Frog-Crono-Frog, in fact [2014-10-18 16:25:28] Redslash: Man, elixir glitch used to freak me out. Use 3 speedtabs and you can go Lucca-Crono-Lucca, final party levels 1-4-14 [2014-10-18 16:35:05] ElGranJerry: amazing [2014-10-18 16:37:46] Redslash: Or Marle-Crono-Marle. This worked with 968C=FF and 06DB=2, btw... [2014-10-18 17:21:16] ElGranJerry: sweet [2014-10-18 17:21:38] ElGranJerry: I would love to see Ocean Palace lavos destroyed [2014-10-18 17:40:02] Redslash: Yeah, I really wonder how fast it can be done [2014-10-18 17:44:58] Redslash: And, Low% indeed... almost seems completable without charging the pendant, except the no elemental mail for GigaGaia and Golem thing [2014-10-18 17:50:09] Redslash: Oh, just GigaGaia. I only picked up the blackmail/blackvest [2014-10-18 17:50:35] ElGranJerry: nice [2014-10-18 17:50:43] ElGranJerry: about how long is it would you say? [2014-10-18 17:52:56] Redslash: No idea... maybe shorter than 100%? Haven't touched this since July, heh [2014-10-20 6:16:29] Ottavino: For those who aren't on #chrono, there will be a CT race (beat magus) at october 31, 5pm est [2014-10-20 7:16:30] DrunkenDraconian: I'm a bit of an IRC noob, but there is never anyone in that room [2014-10-20 7:18:50] ElGranJerry: nah, there is always at least 5-6n peeps there [2014-10-20 7:18:56] ElGranJerry: it's quiet most of the time though [2014-10-20 8:04:01] SnesWarrior: I really hope I can make that Magus race, sounds fun. Speaking of magus, DD, I discovered that your green roly skip can be used on the first bird/black roly to skip them both at the same time. Looks sexy too. [2014-10-20 8:05:08] Ottavino: yeah it's possible, but timing is hard [2014-10-20 8:07:39] SnesWarrior: haha, yea only reason I went for it was because I fell in an ozzie hole in a derust run last night, so thought I might as well go for it. Didn't even know if it was gonna work or not =) [2014-10-20 8:49:02] DrunkenDraconian: I've been doing the bird & rolly skip on the last bird, the pacing feels good [2014-10-20 8:52:46] eLmaGus: please dont beat me all at once thank you [2014-10-20 9:28:29] ElGranJerry: any% race to bop Magus when? lol [2014-10-21 5:08:45] Nihil922: in the notes, what does "bright load" mean? load as soon as the saves screen appear? [2014-10-21 5:22:58] Ottavino: you need to wait a little bit, the battle value window is 0D-2D ( frame 7 to frame 39) [2014-10-21 13:56:41] Nihil922: so, dont we unequip rock helm on ayla anymore? [2014-10-21 13:57:05] eLmaGus: i dont think so [2014-10-21 13:57:07] Nihil922: okok [2014-10-21 13:57:11 | Edited 13:57:16] Nihil922: just wanted to make sure [2014-10-21 13:57:12] eLmaGus: she gets to have a rock on her head the whole run now [2014-10-21 13:57:25] eLmaGus: or do we? [2014-10-21 13:57:27] eLmaGus: i dont remember [2014-10-21 13:57:43] eLmaGus: i think she has a rock on her head the whole game [2014-10-21 14:03:58] DrunkenDraconian: yeah you leave it on, otherwise you can't unequip frog. Also if Marle get it like the old way you are 2hp short of killing Flea [2014-10-21 14:13:50] Nihil922: so... in the magic cave, can i check if im on the right rng by taking damage from the rats? [2014-10-21 14:15:14] DrunkenDraconian: yes [2014-10-21 14:15:22] DrunkenDraconian: 19 & 23 i think [2014-10-21 14:15:51] DrunkenDraconian: not 100% sure on those [2014-10-21 14:16:45] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-10-21 14:16:48] ElGranJerry: 19 and 23 [2014-10-21 14:16:50] ElGranJerry: 19 is fine though [2014-10-21 14:16:56] ElGranJerry: just the 19 [2014-10-21 14:17:00] Nihil922: ok then, thanks guys [2014-10-21 14:17:09] DrunkenDraconian: it won't mess up if you get both attacks [2014-10-21 14:19:33] Redslash: And the first hit (19) can be on Crono or Robo, doesn't matter [2014-10-22 1:17:13] Redslash: Lol, ok, Frog can elixir glitch 2nd form Lavos too... seems a bit convenient, cutting out the menu and all [2014-10-22 2:34:47] Ottavino: \o/ [2014-10-22 2:34:58] Ottavino: Nice find! [2014-10-22 2:55:14] Redslash: All thanks to speed 11, it's just too good [2014-10-22 3:10:28] Redslash: Yeah whoa, 73-87 is OK now =P [2014-10-22 5:44:09] Ottavino: warning: for lavos 3rd form, some runners used to attack with frog during the healing sound, this strat doesn't work anymore if you use frog for both elixir glitches, you have to attack with frog at the beginning of the battle, before chrono gets attacked [2014-10-22 5:45:35] Ottavino: also i need to see if this strat works on vc, as usual :) [2014-10-22 6:50:18] ElGranJerry: sweet :) [2014-10-22 6:53:27] ElGranJerry: 73-87? So about 1.7 to 2.1 seconds? [2014-10-22 6:53:36] ElGranJerry: Or am I completely off [2014-10-22 9:30:48] Redslash: Oh sorry, I was observing the full 61-87 window works (only half the window worked for Crono) [2014-10-22 9:34:33] Redslash: I'm surprised waiting to attack ever worked. Reminder that you can hold X at the start too (Crono & Frog attack) [2014-10-22 9:59:20] eLmaGus: did you guys ever experiment with buying the Red katana for crono from melchior? [2014-10-22 9:59:29] eLmaGus: it gives you +2 Magic which could be nice? [2014-10-22 9:59:32] eLmaGus: i dont know [2014-10-22 10:00:36] eLmaGus: would affect everything up to slash [2014-10-22 10:03:45] eLmaGus: also getting the Taban Vest for Lucca might make for an easier Black Tyrano fight? [2014-10-22 10:04:42] eLmaGus: can also get Taban Suit before Lavos Shell for +3 speed [2014-10-22 10:10:56] eLmaGus: oh boy [2014-10-22 10:11:10] Ottavino: buying red katana takes time, melchior talks a lot, and 4.9k G, so less mid tonics, revives and shelters will be bought after [2014-10-22 10:11:53] eLmaGus: it does the question is if it saves time maybe [2014-10-22 10:12:21] Ottavino: it could maybe speed up masamune, but we don't want that since we don't reset after [2014-10-22 10:12:31] Ottavino: it doesn't change nizbel [2014-10-22 10:12:34] Redslash: Could be worth it, but beating Slash early... almost requires a new Magus fight for it to be faster [2014-10-22 10:12:54] eLmaGus: new Magus fight sounds awesome [2014-10-22 10:12:58] eLmaGus: im down [2014-10-22 10:13:31] Ottavino: no equip on lucca, or she lose 10 magic attack [2014-10-22 10:14:16] eLmaGus: yeah i know but if you get +2 attacks in it might be helpful? i dont know just some ideas i had [2014-10-22 10:15:41] Ottavino: it takes time to get taban stuff [2014-10-22 10:18:45] Ottavino: for lavos shell, if you equip lucca with suit, you lose time on heckran with low antipode damage, no gain time on zombor, you lose time on masamune (3 FH+2 fire not enough), nizbel too... [2014-10-22 10:20:32] Redslash: Yeah I suppose so, and +2 speed isn't a lot there [2014-10-22 10:21:28] Redslash: I think I timed getting Tabanvest at 24 seconds [2014-10-22 10:21:36] eLmaGus: thats not too bad [2014-10-22 10:21:43] eLmaGus: but apparantly no gain [2014-10-22 10:23:36] Redslash: You can fadeout Taban but it only saves like a second [2014-10-22 10:25:13] Redslash: But that reminds me about the Sewers, a while back I timed fading out the first fight to be faster [2014-10-22 10:25:57] Ottavino: tested for 100%, not faster with this ladder [2014-10-22 10:27:17] Redslash: I might've been doing really optimized fadeouts though [2014-10-22 10:28:35] Redslash: Because I even found fading out the cutscene to be faster, but not my much [2014-10-22 10:30:00] Ottavino: for the custcene with fadeout tricks, it seemed to me way slower, so maybe i used fadeouts with no S+B trick [2014-10-22 10:37:47] Redslash: And uh, Red Katana 13 seconds, if you go down the stairs to cancel his speech... [2014-10-22 10:45:32] Redslash: Or do first Melchior fadeout (after Masa) from the stairs, 9 seconds... [2014-10-22 10:50:04] Redslash: Bah, and after Nizbel is best, 7 seconds [2014-10-22 12:15:44] Redslash: I'll try it on J since it's 5 seconds (and I don't have a good Magus yet) [2014-10-22 16:14:52] Redslash: Not sure how I feel about these Masa fights playing back differently from how I record them... [2014-10-22 20:41:44] ElGranJerry: on J? [2014-10-22 21:04:31] Redslash: Yeah, but shouldn't matter. Movie desync on same emulator it was made with, essentially.... [2014-10-22 21:15:20] ElGranJerry: ahh true true [2014-10-23 12:38:03] Ottavino: i was practicing retinite, and i had the same wrong window like jerry few weeks ago: i thought you had to wait for ayla menu to input spincut and cat attack, but in fact, it depends of who ayla is targeting for her last action. at the end of the battle (when core has ~370hp and top has ~500hp), if you do inut spincut on top and cat attack on CORE, you finish at E1 (wrong window), but if you input spincut on top and cat attack on TOP, you finish at F5 (good window) [2014-10-23 13:19:17] Redslash: Ah yeah, that's what I was trying to say the other day. It's when you target an enemy but it dies, your attack gets redirected, and that causes the enemy value to jump forward (you can do it anywhere) [2014-10-23 13:20:04] Redslash: Also happens in the 2nd Rolyrider fight, for example [2014-10-23 14:21:19] Ottavino: ok, frog double elixir glitches works on vc [2014-10-23 14:22:10] Redslash: Sweet =) [2014-10-23 14:24:04] Ottavino: but i had a weird bt/azala fight earlier (rock on marle who died, bite on chrono who died, so needed to rez chrono and marle for haste...), need to check if i was at B9 [2014-10-23 15:39:53 | Removed 16:07:59] Ottavino: This message has been removed. [2014-10-23 16:04:44 | Edited 16:08:36] Ottavino: for r-series :) : if you get attacked before 1st cyclone, lucca flame toss upper right robo, cyclone back, flame toss upper right, cyclone back, cyclone front. it's only 3 sec slower than the optimal strat, but you need to get quickly the flame tosses and cyclones [2014-10-23 16:05:10] Ottavino: and you can't die in this strat [2014-10-23 16:39:01] Ottavino: btw, i found a more reliable setup for the first zombor skip (i used an audio cue but i had troubles with this): i start running, then quickly release and hold B 3 times https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwUWc1Z0hBcmEtcjg/view?usp=sharing [2014-10-23 16:39:52] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, that's what i found worked best for me [2014-10-23 17:59:48] ElGranJerry: Will try that RSeries strat Ottavino [2014-10-23 18:00:03] ElGranJerry: idk what is happening to me lately [2014-10-23 18:00:12] ElGranJerry: 3 runs where I die to RSeries [2014-10-23 18:00:20] ElGranJerry: just awful [2014-10-24 0:58:10] Redslash: Man... assuming elixir glitch could be done with Lifeline, Low Level All Endings is so close to possible... except that dang #4 (after saving Leene) [2014-10-24 0:58:44] Redslash: And, you know, somehow surviving Inner Lavos' first attack [2014-10-24 1:04:30] Redslash: (Might be cool to LSS #11/12 as well, heh heh... then NG+ only play through Magus Castle) [2014-10-24 1:11:43] Redslash: I realized normal Low Level should probably just do LSS, but Ocean P elixir glitch could make a "Best Ending" run~ [2014-10-24 13:51:37] Redslash: Oh, sneaking into Nizbel II's room is easier than I thought, using the left door-post. If Crono's hand overlaps the right half of the post, 3/4 chance to get in [2014-10-24 14:25:04] ElGranJerry: oh nice man [2014-10-24 14:25:09] ElGranJerry: just tried it a couple of times [2014-10-24 14:25:13] ElGranJerry: works great [2014-10-25 12:05:59] Ottavino: does anyone want to race? [2014-10-25 16:49:23] eLmaGus: did you guys figure out if renaming saves time in 100%? [2014-10-25 16:49:27] eLmaGus: or do you still have to test [2014-10-25 16:49:39] eLmaGus: just out of curiousity [2014-10-25 18:59:52] DrunkenDraconian: i feel that it would save time for crono, but maybe not the other PCs [2014-10-25 19:00:29] DrunkenDraconian: the scene where marle says "crono" 8 times is much faster with a1 char name [2014-10-25 19:02:58] DrunkenDraconian: and using cursor wrap to rename crono to "A____" quickly almost breaks even with that text box alone [2014-10-25 19:14:37] Redslash: Maybe so. Hard to count exactly since many textboxes include the spaces, making names 5 characters no matter what [2014-10-25 19:17:20] Redslash: Seems like it'd be a good idea for characters who speak a lot though [2014-10-25 19:29:20] ElGranJerry: I feel it will be smart to test it. Who will be the brave one that counts how many times the name appears? [2014-10-25 19:29:43] eLmaGus: you cant even count [2014-10-25 19:29:48] eLmaGus: you have to compare every single textbox [2014-10-25 19:29:52] eLmaGus: because there might be differences [2014-10-25 19:30:11] DrunkenDraconian: you just have to break even on the time it takes to name, then it's worth it [2014-10-25 19:30:17] ElGranJerry: true true, lmao. yeah... [2014-10-25 19:30:28] DrunkenDraconian: the est is gravy [2014-10-25 19:30:46] DrunkenDraconian: you don't end up with an impressive number [2014-10-25 19:31:06] DrunkenDraconian: *rest [2014-10-25 19:31:22] DrunkenDraconian: but you can rest knowing it does save time [2014-10-25 19:31:31] ElGranJerry: But it would be interesting to know exactly how much time [2014-10-25 19:31:41] ElGranJerry: damn, I might do this when I get any% WR [2014-10-25 19:31:45] ElGranJerry: so never :) [2014-10-25 19:31:52] eLmaGus: ill join you in that [2014-10-29 16:33:53] Ottavino: that luck for the 2 fire swords :) [2014-10-29 16:35:28] SnesWarrior: I literally just tuned in and saw that ^^ [2014-10-29 16:47:41] ElGranJerry: dude [2014-10-29 16:47:56] ElGranJerry: I just printed out 2 pages and wrote down Battle Speed 6 [2014-10-29 16:48:02] ElGranJerry: putting them on the wall [2014-10-29 16:48:38] ElGranJerry: Nihil didn't remind me :( lol [2014-10-29 16:51:24] Ottavino: your first 2 hours are very good now, practice 4-5 times from sunken to the end and you will get sub 3:10 :) [2014-10-29 16:52:24] ElGranJerry: yeah, still gotta polish some details. Specially the DTank segment [2014-10-29 16:52:47] ElGranJerry: But I will stop doing runs for a week or so and run Magus - End RTA [2014-10-29 16:52:51] ElGranJerry: to practice [2014-10-29 16:53:07] Ottavino: it's what i did [2014-10-29 16:56:47] Redslash: I think you guys should totally get Stud+Earring in the race. Then you could keep going, if you felt like it =) [2014-10-29 16:56:54] Redslash: It's only like a 25-second handicap =P [2014-10-29 16:57:25] ElGranJerry: If I join I'll grab them for sure [2014-10-29 16:57:50] Ottavino: lol that's what i thought one hour ago [2014-10-29 16:58:06] ElGranJerry: It also depends on how good the start was [2014-10-29 16:58:14] ElGranJerry: If you fell way behind then leave them [2014-10-29 16:58:20] Redslash: Ah yeah, for sure [2014-10-29 16:58:23] ElGranJerry: if not gogogo [2014-10-29 16:59:16] Redslash: That's the only big difference right? Other than opting to leave Marle out of some fights [2014-10-29 16:59:48] Ottavino: yes [2014-10-29 16:59:51] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-10-29 17:00:07] ElGranJerry: use Crono Frog Robo for flea [2014-10-29 17:00:11] ElGranJerry: i think [2014-10-29 17:01:15] Redslash: Save a swap by using Lucca for the whole Reptite Lair, and I guess that's it [2014-10-29 17:01:29] ElGranJerry: you don't need any revives, save that .5 seconds [2014-10-29 17:24:21] ElGranJerry: Zombor skip tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMuWasIpeaQ&feature=youtu.be [2014-10-29 17:24:23] ElGranJerry: just made it [2014-10-29 17:24:30] ElGranJerry: sound is a bit low at start but it gets better [2014-10-29 23:35:43] Redslash: Nice Jerry, this is really helpful. We also need to stress that you hold run before the room even loads, very important but seems easy to miss [2014-10-29 23:38:18] Redslash: Even for us watching and trying to help, we can't tell by looking whether they are doing it, and those frames are crucial [2014-10-30 8:23:44] SnesWarrior: WOW, looks like on VC you can even softlock during the telepod sequence 4min into the game. Lovely. [2014-10-30 8:24:06] Ottavino: wow, never happened [2014-10-30 8:25:58] SnesWarrior: It's gotta be something with the way VC is programmed. Cause it always does the same pattern, softlocks, then you try to softreset, then the screen just stays black until you hard reset [2014-10-30 8:27:41] Nihil922: huh,frogs cursor get set to attack after you use him for the first elixir glitch, kinda wierd [2014-10-30 8:29:14] SnesWarrior: This game loves no one, lol [2014-10-30 8:30:22] Nihil922: you still have time to select item, but just a heads up not to press a to quickly [2014-10-30 8:33:18] Ottavino: for bt fight in lavos boss rush, to prevent marle and chrono dying, heal marle before the battle [2014-10-30 8:38:39] Nihil922: will do [2014-10-30 14:48:02] ElGranJerry: You can menu glitch when you are entering the shell and change your team [2014-10-30 14:48:11] ElGranJerry: funny stuff [2014-10-30 15:10:18] eLmaGus: oh sick [2014-10-30 15:10:31] eLmaGus: time to time the dialogue of each person [2014-10-30 15:19:10] ElGranJerry: Yo, timed it 1 second faster to get menu glitch and close menu than not to do it. Shoutouts to red for telling this to me [2014-10-30 15:19:22] ElGranJerry: after the 1st elixir glitch [2014-10-30 15:19:28] eLmaGus: alright time to 3:03:29 [2014-10-30 15:19:52] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-10-30 15:20:18] Nihil922: thats interesting [2014-10-30 15:20:39] eLmaGus: well i mean its basically a free second [2014-10-30 15:20:42] eLmaGus: if you miss it its whatever [2014-10-30 15:20:50] eLmaGus: so thats cool [2014-10-30 15:20:52] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-10-30 16:06:47] ElGranJerry: Maybe it's faster to do it when you enter the shell to change your team, need to time that [2014-10-30 16:08:10] Nihil922: so you just hold y when entering the shell? [2014-10-30 16:08:43] ElGranJerry: idk yet. I got it while mashing Y on my 3:19 a couple days ago [2014-10-30 16:08:48] ElGranJerry: gonna try it out [2014-10-30 16:22:07] ElGranJerry: Duuude, saves 2 seconds? [2014-10-30 16:22:12] ElGranJerry: But I can't get it consistently [2014-10-30 16:23:31] Nihil922: just need to find the right frame to press the button [2014-10-30 16:24:05] ElGranJerry: so far I only got it by mashing. The black screen there is way too long [2014-10-30 16:24:10] ElGranJerry: Will look into it a bit more :D [2014-10-30 16:24:16] Nihil922: i see [2014-10-30 16:25:50] ElGranJerry: Changing the team gives 2 textboxes instead of 3, and the fading in seems to be faster. prolly the same as the one after the elixir glitch [2014-10-30 16:26:06] eLmaGus: sounds reasonable [2014-10-30 16:27:27] ElGranJerry: anyone knows how to go Frame by Frame in 1.51rr? Can't seem to find it lol [2014-10-30 16:28:00] ElGranJerry: setting speed to 5% works well [2014-10-30 16:28:21] eLmaGus: :< [2014-10-30 16:28:48] eLmaGus: Ottavino sama are you here? [2014-10-30 16:29:00] eLmaGus: i would like to know more about the 5 slime fight in the factory [2014-10-30 16:29:13] Ottavino: by default it's button / [2014-10-30 16:29:24] ElGranJerry: ok thanks [2014-10-30 16:29:26] eLmaGus: you told me last time its dependant on when you enter the door [2014-10-30 16:29:27] Ottavino: for frame advance [2014-10-30 16:29:35] eLmaGus: or when you enter somewhere [2014-10-30 16:29:44] eLmaGus: since i get stuck with 3/2 all the time i wanna see what i can do differently [2014-10-30 16:31:04] Ottavino: if you're on emulator, watch adresses 7E1425, 7E1427, 7E1429, 7E142B and 7E142D for this battle elmagus [2014-10-30 16:31:30] Ottavino: it's dependent on when you enter the room [2014-10-30 16:31:40] eLmaGus: alright will do thank you very much [2014-10-30 16:31:54] eLmaGus: i feel like that is the spot where we can save the most time [2014-10-30 16:32:04] Ottavino: it's 6 for an acid, 7 for an alkaline [2014-10-30 16:32:28] Nihil922: jerry, i managed to find a consistent way to open party select [2014-10-30 16:32:55] Nihil922: im gonna see if i can time it in seconds [2014-10-30 16:36:22] Nihil922: so, to bring up party select when entering the shell [2014-10-30 16:36:30] Nihil922: wait until the screen has turned black [2014-10-30 16:36:38] Nihil922: then wait 3 seconds and hold Y [2014-10-30 16:36:46] eLmaGus: sounds easy [2014-10-30 16:36:51] Nihil922: yes [2014-10-30 16:37:13] ElGranJerry: yeah, I just got the frames Nihil [2014-10-30 16:37:16] ElGranJerry: you beat me to it [2014-10-30 16:37:21] ElGranJerry: Frames 181-209 [2014-10-30 16:37:27] Nihil922: actually, my timer stops at 2.9 but 3 secodns should be fine [2014-10-30 16:37:31] ElGranJerry: so 3.0001 seconds to 3.5 [2014-10-30 16:37:43] Nihil922: lots of room [2014-10-30 16:38:22] Ottavino: it's like the menu glitch between lavos 2 and 3 i think, you can open the menu or bring party during the lag frames [2014-10-30 16:39:03] Nihil922: yes [2014-10-30 16:39:27 | Edited 16:39:35] Nihil922: entering lavos shell using this is faster, it skips the "fading in" that happens [2014-10-30 16:39:56] ElGranJerry: 3.016 seconds to 3.483. To make it look pro with the decimals [2014-10-30 16:40:12] ElGranJerry: yeah nihil, cool. 2ish seconds saved [2014-10-30 16:40:20] ElGranJerry: and if you miss it well just keep going [2014-10-30 16:40:21] eLmaGus: so wait [2014-10-30 16:40:23] eLmaGus: once the screen is black [2014-10-30 16:40:25] eLmaGus: just hold Y? [2014-10-30 16:40:27] eLmaGus: or waht now [2014-10-30 16:40:40] ElGranJerry: once it goes black 3.016 seconds to 3.4833 then hold Y [2014-10-30 16:40:46] ElGranJerry: so 3-3.5 sort of [2014-10-30 16:41:09] eLmaGus: easy [2014-10-30 16:41:11] eLmaGus: got it [2014-10-30 16:41:23] eLmaGus: and we wanna have Marle Frog [2014-10-30 16:41:24] eLmaGus: right [2014-10-30 16:41:36] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-10-30 16:41:37] Nihil922: not sure if the textboxes are faster, since aylas 2 boxes are shorter than frogs [2014-10-30 16:41:50] eLmaGus: well you dont have to change back though nihil [2014-10-30 16:41:57] eLmaGus: gotta factor that in [2014-10-30 16:42:15] ElGranJerry: maybe the textboxes are longer but you don't fade-in. I would love if you would time it [2014-10-30 16:42:44] ElGranJerry: I got about 1.8-2.4 seconds saved, I tested it a couple of times [2014-10-30 16:44:00] Nihil922: that seems about right [2014-10-30 16:44:22] eLmaGus: alright [2014-10-30 16:44:27] eLmaGus: time to find out how the slime works [2014-10-30 16:46:10] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-10-30 16:46:49] Nihil922: pls magoo, find a consistent way to get 5 alkalines everytime :D [2014-10-30 16:47:05] eLmaGus: there probably is none but understanding and watching numbers might help me a little [2014-10-30 16:47:14] eLmaGus: but of course [2014-10-30 16:47:18] ElGranJerry: i thought it was dependent on game time? For the slime [2014-10-30 16:47:20] eLmaGus: 1.51 doesnt accept 1.53 savestates [2014-10-30 16:47:28] eLmaGus: so i have to play all the way through [2014-10-30 16:47:30] ElGranJerry: I can send you one Magus [2014-10-30 16:47:32] eLmaGus: .______________________________________________. [2014-10-30 16:47:41] ElGranJerry: well it's the one Ottavino sent for the Factory glitch [2014-10-30 16:47:45] ElGranJerry: oh wait [2014-10-30 16:47:48] eLmaGus: sounds good [2014-10-30 16:47:51] ElGranJerry: that's after the slimes :( [2014-10-30 16:48:13] Nihil922: why cant you do it on 53? [2014-10-30 16:48:28] ElGranJerry: I can send one for Reverse TC [2014-10-30 16:48:54] ElGranJerry: 53 doesn't have ram watch iirc [2014-10-30 16:49:02] eLmaGus: yup [2014-10-30 16:49:11] eLmaGus: 1.51rr [2014-10-30 16:49:26 | Edited 16:49:42] Nihil922: oh, i see [2014-10-30 16:49:32] *** *** [2014-10-30 16:49:48] ElGranJerry: I am starting from there as well :) [2014-10-30 16:49:53] eLmaGus: dang [2014-10-30 16:50:02] ElGranJerry: I was going to try something out for the guards before DT [2014-10-30 16:50:26] Ottavino: I have savefiles before factory [2014-10-30 16:50:37] ElGranJerry: The savior! [2014-10-30 16:52:25] eLmaGus: feel free to share :> [2014-10-30 16:52:27] eLmaGus: because im lazy [2014-10-30 16:53:47] *** *** [2014-10-30 16:53:52] eLmaGus: oh baby [2014-10-30 16:53:53] eLmaGus: thank you [2014-10-30 16:54:13] ElGranJerry: Thanks <3 [2014-10-30 16:59:37] eLmaGus: i dont want to be annoying but can you send it again? somehow i didnt get it [2014-10-30 17:00:50] *** *** [2014-10-30 17:00:58] ElGranJerry: I changed the name [2014-10-30 17:01:17] eLmaGus: thanks [2014-10-30 17:01:24] ElGranJerry: I wonder if there are other places where we can open the menu on screen transition [2014-10-30 17:01:52] ElGranJerry: I know you can right before Ayla takes you to the party, but it doesn't seem useful [2014-10-30 17:10:21] eLmaGus: this is messed up [2014-10-30 17:10:30] eLmaGus: slimes generally rotate in 3/2 formations [2014-10-30 17:12:38] Ottavino: with frame advance, if you delay the moment when you enter the room, you can see the different formations [2014-10-30 17:12:57] eLmaGus: ye [2014-10-30 17:13:08] eLmaGus: but if you wanna go fast there is a high chance you end up on 3/2 [2014-10-30 17:13:59] Nihil922: how many frames do you have to get a specific formation? [2014-10-30 17:14:15] eLmaGus: judging from what i did not a lot [2014-10-30 17:14:26] eLmaGus: ill investigate this further [2014-10-30 17:14:42] eLmaGus: its probably a couple of frames [2014-10-30 17:14:46] eLmaGus: since i always get the same formation [2014-10-30 17:14:50] ElGranJerry: but is it time from factory entrance? Or from the past room [2014-10-30 17:15:03] eLmaGus: it seems like the room [2014-10-30 17:15:05] eLmaGus: cause [2014-10-30 17:15:09] eLmaGus: i got the same formation i got in my runs [2014-10-30 17:15:19] eLmaGus: with my movement [2014-10-30 17:15:31] Redslash: Formation changes every frame, but the count doesn't necessarily change [2014-10-30 17:15:35] eLmaGus: if you walk from the CPU to the door you get 4/1 but 4 reds [2014-10-30 17:16:11] eLmaGus: if it does change every frame some frames have the same formation [2014-10-30 17:16:17] eLmaGus: that are back to bac [2014-10-30 17:17:00] Redslash: Hm, I only ever noticed that 5 reds can occur back to back [2014-10-30 17:17:20] eLmaGus: i got the same 3/2 3 frames in a row [2014-10-30 17:17:35] eLmaGus: obviously rigged savefile [2014-10-30 17:18:01] Ottavino: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=141023#141023 all formations [2014-10-30 17:18:02] Redslash: Well, that could be, I think I only tested like 60 frames [2014-10-30 17:18:09] eLmaGus: will investigate further [2014-10-30 17:18:10] Redslash: Sweet, thanks Ottavino [2014-10-30 17:19:00] ElGranJerry: only once a minute [2014-10-30 17:19:09] ElGranJerry: 1/60 chance, sweeet [2014-10-30 17:19:10] Redslash: Yup X) [2014-10-30 17:19:22] eLmaGus: thats actually not bad [2014-10-30 17:19:30] eLmaGus: if you think about it [2014-10-30 17:19:51] eLmaGus: and seeing as i got this in a practice run [2014-10-30 17:19:54] eLmaGus: there has to be a way [2014-10-30 17:19:58] eLmaGus: to reproduce it [2014-10-30 17:20:06] Ottavino: it's a typo i think, it's once a second [2014-10-30 17:20:12] Redslash: Right right [2014-10-30 17:20:15] eLmaGus: that [2014-10-30 17:20:17] eLmaGus: on the other hand [2014-10-30 17:20:22] eLmaGus: could be trouble [2014-10-30 17:23:06] Redslash: And yeah, I'm pretty certain it's based on the game clock, from what I've tested [2014-10-30 17:23:19] eLmaGus: R I G G E D [2014-10-30 17:23:31] ElGranJerry: guys it's not that hard [2014-10-30 17:23:39] ElGranJerry: play frame perfect from start to the fight [2014-10-30 17:23:40] ElGranJerry: ezpz [2014-10-30 17:24:00] eLmaGus: well next time [2014-10-30 17:24:02] eLmaGus: just for kicks [2014-10-30 17:24:05] eLmaGus: im gonna reenter [2014-10-30 17:24:09] eLmaGus: see what happens [2014-10-30 17:24:35] eLmaGus: i mean i got the same formation basically 4 times in a row [2014-10-30 17:24:38] eLmaGus: exacty same positions [2014-10-30 17:25:26] Ottavino: i get what inichi found [2014-10-30 17:26:15] Ottavino: formation changing each frame, with a cycle of 60 [2014-10-30 17:28:00] Ottavino: there is 20 formations on 60 where you get 3 acid and 2 alkaline [2014-10-30 17:28:12] eLmaGus: hmm [2014-10-30 17:28:21] Redslash: Another way to look at it, there's a 1/5 second window where you have 50% chance to get 4+ greens [2014-10-30 17:28:22] eLmaGus: alright let me test something [2014-10-30 17:30:13] Redslash: So, you could sit at the savepoint and mash until the minute on the clock rolls over, if you were confident that it'd happen soon enough [2014-10-30 17:30:32] Redslash: Then walk frame-perfectly to the next room, which IS possible [2014-10-30 17:31:28] eLmaGus: hmm [2014-10-30 17:31:31] eLmaGus: it changes [2014-10-30 17:31:35] eLmaGus: if you use the other stairs [2014-10-30 17:31:45] eLmaGus: that lead down to ZABY [2014-10-30 17:33:06] eLmaGus: so my guess is [2014-10-30 17:33:11] eLmaGus: its based on the whole factory [2014-10-30 17:33:13] eLmaGus: not just the room [2014-10-30 17:34:11] Redslash: Yes, the actual game clock I believe =) [2014-10-30 17:36:42] Redslash: I've also counted same number of frames from entering the Factory, hoping it did start counting just from there and we could maybe use a music cue, but alas [2014-10-30 17:37:00] eLmaGus: i see [2014-10-30 17:37:02] eLmaGus: oh well [2014-10-30 17:37:13] eLmaGus: i think what might generally be a good idea [2014-10-30 17:37:17] Redslash: The music is a weird bpm too X) At least it appears so [2014-10-30 17:37:25] eLmaGus: is to go down the stairs in the 5 slime room and go back up [2014-10-30 17:38:00] eLmaGus: would have to see though [2014-10-30 17:38:10] eLmaGus: i mean game clock should be around the same +-30 seconds [2014-10-30 17:38:19] eLmaGus: so we should be able to somewhat predict [2014-10-30 17:38:23] eLmaGus: where we are going to end u [2014-10-30 17:38:23] eLmaGus: p [2014-10-30 17:38:44] Redslash: What I mean by game clock is total frames you've played the game~ [2014-10-30 17:38:49] eLmaGus: ye [2014-10-30 17:39:14] eLmaGus: ideally you shouldnt make mistakes worth more than 30 seconds :P [2014-10-30 17:39:45] Redslash: And, these 60 formations cycle every second [2014-10-30 17:39:49] eLmaGus: what we really need to do is make an exact table for the room and the 60 formations [2014-10-30 17:40:03] eLmaGus: and count frames up until there [2014-10-30 17:40:11] eLmaGus: thats as close as we will get [2014-10-30 17:40:25] eLmaGus: the only hope is basically [2014-10-30 17:40:37] eLmaGus: that you have like a 5 frame window with good stuff in it [2014-10-30 17:40:48] eLmaGus: that in ideal play you can reach somehow [2014-10-30 17:41:03] Ottavino: or we can use our timer [2014-10-30 17:41:14] Redslash: I'm confused, if your definition of a frame is the same as mine X) [2014-10-30 17:41:19] eLmaGus: saving and hard resetting might be an option aswell [2014-10-30 17:41:19 | Edited 17:41:27] Redslash: 1/12 of a second is pretty small [2014-10-30 17:41:32] eLmaGus: well dude [2014-10-30 17:41:35] eLmaGus: its not gonna get any bigger [2014-10-30 17:41:37] eLmaGus: 8) [2014-10-30 17:41:59] Ottavino: save at XX:00 at yakra skip [2014-10-30 17:42:13] Ottavino: not doing rev truce canyon skip [2014-10-30 17:42:45] Ottavino: and we should have the same amount of frames at factory [2014-10-30 17:43:01] Redslash: Game clock also has a certain lag every transition, menu, etc... it's gonna be a headache, lol [2014-10-30 17:43:04] Redslash: But I guess doable [2014-10-30 17:43:04] eLmaGus: so played frames does that count like menu etc [2014-10-30 17:43:06] eLmaGus: ? [2014-10-30 17:43:15] Ottavino: no [2014-10-30 17:43:17] eLmaGus: i see [2014-10-30 17:43:27] eLmaGus: well that makes it a little "easier" [2014-10-30 17:43:33] eLmaGus: but yeah [2014-10-30 17:43:43] eLmaGus: this is something i personally will never go for [2014-10-30 17:43:48] eLmaGus: but its fun to investigate the possibilite [2014-10-30 17:43:49] eLmaGus: s [2014-10-30 17:47:22] Redslash: For sure, I didn't put much thought into using a timer, might be interesting... [2014-10-30 17:48:08] eLmaGus: well i got suspicious after hitting the same formation 4 times in 4 different runs [2014-10-30 17:48:11] eLmaGus: might just be very dumb luc,k [2014-10-30 17:49:05] Nihil922: well, good luck to everyone participatin in the race, sadly im not home this weekend so i wont be able to join [2014-10-30 17:49:16] eLmaGus: > : - ( [2014-10-30 17:49:27] ElGranJerry: dang :/ [2014-10-30 17:49:28] eLmaGus: > : -------------- ( [2014-10-30 17:49:35] Nihil922: sorry, i know you wanted to finally beat me in a race ;) [2014-10-30 17:49:47] eLmaGus: dodger [2014-10-30 17:49:51] eLmaGus: ! [2014-10-30 17:49:55] Nihil922: haha [2014-10-30 17:49:57] Nihil922: well, see ya [2014-10-30 17:50:04] eLmaGus: aight man have a nice weekend [2014-10-30 17:50:12] ElGranJerry: Have a good one :) [2014-10-30 17:52:14] ElGranJerry: Gonna go play some soccer, cya laters [2014-10-30 17:52:21] ElGranJerry: or football, w/e you call it [2014-10-30 17:52:25] eLmaGus: later man [2014-10-30 17:52:32] ElGranJerry: byebye :) [2014-10-30 17:56:16] Ottavino: is there a lot of europeans racing tomorrowN [2014-10-30 17:56:19] Ottavino: ? [2014-10-30 17:57:28] eLmaGus: uhm [2014-10-30 17:57:37] eLmaGus: i guess you are stuck with me for european competition [2014-10-30 17:57:39] Ottavino: because if you want to delay the race by a few hours to have more runners, no problem for me [2014-10-30 17:57:49] eLmaGus: nah man [2014-10-30 18:00:32] eLmaGus: oh for jerry you mean [2014-10-30 18:00:36] eLmaGus: i dont mind [2014-10-30 18:00:42] eLmaGus: either [2014-10-30 18:00:49] Ottavino: yeah [2014-10-30 18:00:59] eLmaGus: you are from France right? [2014-10-30 18:01:03] Ottavino: yes [2014-10-30 18:01:09] eLmaGus: you are just as crazy as i am [2014-10-30 18:01:12] Ottavino: it's 2 am [2014-10-30 18:01:12] eLmaGus: with staying up all night [2014-10-30 18:01:14] eLmaGus: i love it [2014-10-30 18:01:28] eLmaGus: but yeah i think we are the only europeans [2014-10-30 18:02:18] Ottavino: it's holiday time for me so... [2014-10-30 18:02:25] eLmaGus: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat [2014-10-30 18:02:29] eLmaGus: i want holidays too [2014-10-30 18:02:33] eLmaGus: > : - ( [2014-10-30 18:03:19] Ottavino: i'm a teacher, i have 2 weeks of holidays every 6 weeks [2014-10-30 18:03:29] eLmaGus: X_X [2014-10-30 18:04:25] eLmaGus: race would start at 1AM for us [2014-10-30 18:04:27] eLmaGus: sounds like a plan [2014-10-30 18:04:37] eLmaGus: i can tell cha0stwitch and see if he postpones it for jerry? [2014-10-30 18:04:53] Ottavino: last race i did was at 5 am, so go for it [2014-10-30 18:04:59] eLmaGus: coolcool [2014-10-30 18:21:49] DrunkenDraconian: can you use save anywhere to save right by the transition or is it a different couner? [2014-10-30 18:22:10] DrunkenDraconian: nmv i'm 100 msgs behind :P [2014-10-30 18:47:20] eLmaGus: alright race delayed to 7:30PM [2014-10-30 18:47:28] eLmaGus: jerry you better not disappoint [2014-10-31 5:33:14] Redslash: Ohhh for elixir glitch, down-A-left-A is why Frog's menu is set to Attack (since you're actually selecting that: down from Item = Attack)... the X-left-X method shouldn't do that [2014-10-31 9:03:32] ElGranJerry: I'll do my absolute best to be there [2014-10-31 9:03:50] ElGranJerry: Oh yeah Red I can't get the X-left-X method to work idk why [2014-10-31 9:04:00] ElGranJerry: is it really fast inputs or something? [2014-10-31 9:08:17] ElGranJerry: Oh about the race guys you didn't have to change it for me. Due to daylight saving time in Mexico 7:30 EST is 5:30 here and I have class from 4:45-7 :/ [2014-10-31 14:18:34] eLmaGus: jerry try X-Up-X [2014-10-31 14:18:36] eLmaGus: does the same [2014-10-31 14:25:33] ElGranJerry: will do [2014-11-01 12:57:43] ElGranJerry: Someone up for a race tomorrow afternoon? [2014-11-02 13:10:36] SnesWarrior: Is anyone familiar with OBS? I just checked my race vod and my audio is like 1s behind where it should be. [2014-11-02 13:26:03] SnesWarrior: I think I found it in broadcaster settings, if the "Delay" mentioned there is video delay, if not I guess it would be audio offset? [2014-11-02 13:26:40] DrunkenDraconian: yeah something like that [2014-11-02 13:26:52] DrunkenDraconian: are you using 2 diffrent things for your capture? [2014-11-02 13:27:13] DrunkenDraconian: like mic/line in for audio and sometyhing else for video? [2014-11-02 13:29:34] DrunkenDraconian: i just had to set something up like that myself, my new cap card captures with a delay [2014-11-02 13:30:36] SnesWarrior: Using all default for audio, but now that I think about it, I have output audio to desktop, whereas I used to just have it set to stream only. I wouldn't think that would cause delay but it might [2014-11-02 13:50:43] DrunkenDraconian: it could also just be twitch, I'm not sure i had the volume on your stream when i was watching, but offset with a little play should fix tat [2014-11-02 13:50:48] DrunkenDraconian: that* [2014-11-02 13:53:47] SnesWarrior: Yea it shouldn't be too hard to fix. It's just annoying. My fault tho for not actually checking the practice video I made >< May just wait till my analog cables come in and test with some snes mario kart or sumthin =P [2014-11-03 15:12:43] eLmaGus: so who wants to entertain me and do a run [2014-11-03 15:15:10] ElGranJerry: I was gonna do some Magus-End RTA but naah, not today :/ [2014-11-03 15:15:53] eLmaGus: but im sick : (( [2014-11-03 15:16:21] ElGranJerry: oh no ;( [2014-11-03 15:16:44] ElGranJerry: I will tomorrow for sure, gotta speedrun my homework today [2014-11-03 15:18:11] ElGranJerry: I will be pulling a 12+ hour on Friday though [2014-11-03 15:18:15] ElGranJerry: Hopefully I can get a pb [2014-11-03 15:19:35] Nihil922: i'll do a run... in 12 hours Kappa [2014-11-03 15:20:03] eLmaGus: > : - ( [2014-11-03 15:20:08] eLmaGus: ill still be awake then [2014-11-03 15:20:43] Nihil922: dang [2014-11-03 15:21:11] ElGranJerry: I will get to watch the end when i wake up :) [2014-11-03 15:21:23 | Edited 15:21:35] Nihil922: if there is an end :D [2014-11-03 15:23:21] ElGranJerry: There will be [2014-11-03 15:23:27] ElGranJerry: believe! [2014-11-04 0:49:39] eLmaGus: alright nihil [2014-11-04 0:49:42] eLmaGus: im still awake [2014-11-04 0:49:43] eLmaGus: lets do this [2014-11-04 2:20:43] Nihil922: after i get some food [2014-11-04 2:26:03] eLmaGus: sweet [2014-11-04 2:30:02] eLmaGus: oh general info for scrubathon (there is currently Jerry vs Jenja race with commentary from me only), if somebody wants in on the fun (play (up to 4 player race) or commentary), just say so [2014-11-04 9:50:55] SnesWarrior: When is scrubathon? And how did the run go nihil? [2014-11-04 9:52:18] Nihil922: after like 10 attempts to get dessert manipulation i decided to continue anyway, but when i finally defeated retinite i was to far behind to get a decent time [2014-11-04 9:55:55] Nihil922: scrubathon is december 10-14 [2014-11-04 9:56:44] Nihil922: at least my run up until magus was pretty good, just need to practice the dessert manipulation a bit [2014-11-04 10:06:12] SnesWarrior: Yeah thats that I think im gonna do for awhile, is grind BT -> The end. I'd like to do 'something' in scrubathon, dont know what yet. Depends on how hard smash 4 distracts me. (17 more days!!!!!!) [2014-11-04 10:07:20] SnesWarrior: Can't wait to main megaman and kirby... I hope the game gets popular enough to provoke tournaments popping up [2014-11-04 10:07:36] Nihil922: im sure it will [2014-11-04 10:08:01] SnesWarrior: True, even brawl was at EVO for awhile I think? [2014-11-04 16:57:25] ElGranJerry: 15:41 for the start segment first try on bihawk, my best is 15:46 on 9x for the start [2014-11-04 16:57:33] ElGranJerry: is emu that worse than console? :O [2014-11-04 16:59:23] Nihil922: 5 seconds faster in that time seems wierd to me [2014-11-04 16:59:40] ElGranJerry: my 15:46 is sloppy ofc [2014-11-04 16:59:48] ElGranJerry: but it's in 50 attempts my best [2014-11-04 17:00:39] Ottavino: someone with CT card should compare Snes vs Bizhawk, with the intro scene [2014-11-04 17:01:29] Nihil922: i would, but i cant run bizhawk [2014-11-04 17:01:42] Nihil922: it usually plays at 40-50 fps [2014-11-04 17:01:49] Ottavino: yeah, like me [2014-11-04 17:02:20] ElGranJerry: I run at 61 according to it but random crashes [2014-11-04 17:02:30] ElGranJerry: I don't have a cart though :/ [2014-11-04 17:08:03] Redslash: What should I time? From reset to.. maybe when the epoch screen-wipe finishes? [2014-11-04 17:09:13] ElGranJerry: That would work sure [2014-11-04 17:09:46] Ottavino: maybe press L on the 2 controllers to start the intro at the same time and see if it shifts [2014-11-04 17:12:37] Redslash: Good idea [2014-11-04 17:19:36] Redslash: 2:27.9 on SNES... I don't think my computer wants to run Bizhawk at the moment =P [2014-11-04 17:20:51] Ottavino: according to stingerpa, bizhawk and console are identical [2014-11-04 17:20:57] Ottavino: he just tested it [2014-11-04 17:23:49] Redslash: I guess they'd better be [2014-11-04 17:25:00] Redslash: I'll watch the blinking lights when the R-Series battles initializes [2014-11-04 17:25:30] Redslash: On Snes they kinda hang up then accelerate, on Snes9x they stay constant [2014-11-04 17:26:40] Redslash: I guess they did hang up a bit [2014-11-04 17:35:25] ElGranJerry: when I open xsplit bizhawk drops to 10 fps [2014-11-04 17:35:27] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-11-04 17:35:38] ElGranJerry: cool stuff [2014-11-04 17:37:33] Redslash: Maybe speeding up to correct lag is just a SNES thing, I don't see it on VC either. Another example is when recruiting Marle, the flags flap very rapidly [2014-11-04 18:04:32] Redslash: Huh, if not sure you talked to Melchior, can check that the chapter is "Red Rock"... small advantage of reloading in Medina~ [2014-11-04 18:05:04] Ottavino: wow thanks!! [2014-11-04 18:05:09] ElGranJerry: yeah, not a fan of the TC load myself [2014-11-04 18:05:15] ElGranJerry: If i mess up I medina load for sure [2014-11-04 18:08:42] Redslash: =) [2014-11-04 18:08:52] ElGranJerry: <3 [2014-11-04 20:28:00] ElGranJerry: what to do when you miss a flame kick on 1st cycle bt? [2014-11-04 20:28:07] ElGranJerry: heal ayla and do a 3rd one? [2014-11-04 20:30:20] Redslash: Oh my [2014-11-04 20:30:23] ElGranJerry: wow [2014-11-04 20:54:15] DrunkenDraconian: for the retinite room because you can take dmg in it, i was thinking that you could skip the healing menu after the previous fight, run around grab all the chests and when retinite spawns near you run towards him and menu then to make sure you have max hp for the fight [2014-11-04 20:54:52] DrunkenDraconian: also this run :) [2014-11-04 20:55:03] ElGranJerry: wr pace [2014-11-04 20:58:57] DrunkenDraconian: fake gold i think, maybe... palace cutscene after fight this time [2014-11-04 20:59:12] DrunkenDraconian: but very close to it for sure [2014-11-04 20:59:58] ElGranJerry: palace cutscene is always after [2014-11-04 21:00:05] ElGranJerry: what can vary is the chest charging [2014-11-04 21:01:34] Redslash: And he charged before too, Desert was p godly [2014-11-04 21:01:46] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-11-04 21:01:48] ElGranJerry: this is it [2014-11-04 21:32:56] ElGranJerry: this was it [2014-11-04 21:34:50] Redslash: Gotta admit... I did not expect a WR today! [2014-11-04 21:35:11] Redslash: I'm pretty blown away right now, what a sick run [2014-11-04 21:35:26] ElGranJerry: yeah, neither did I [2014-11-04 21:35:33] ElGranJerry: that BT save was amazing [2014-11-04 21:49:08 | Edited 21:56:26] Redslash: I love that so much time can still come off, but that's mostly in movement. The fights were incredibly solid [2014-11-05 0:26:23] Ottavino: Yeah! Congrats eLmaGus! [2014-11-05 0:29:21] eLmaGus: thanks guys [2014-11-05 4:29:50] Nihil922: congrats [2014-11-05 4:30:13] Nihil922: for sunken dessert manipulation, if cronos first spincut misses, does that mean i loaded to early or to late? [2014-11-05 4:30:50] eLmaGus: generally too early [2014-11-05 4:30:55] eLmaGus: the one after the 589 is 592 [2014-11-05 4:31:04] Nihil922: ok, i usually get the miss [2014-11-05 4:31:05] eLmaGus: it could also be too late but you have 592 behind [2014-11-05 4:36:44] Nihil922: looking at your vod it looks like you load sliiiightly later than me [2014-11-05 4:39:18] eLmaGus: yeah i do 4 circulations (fast) and wait a little bit [2014-11-05 7:13:48] Redslash: Wait a minute whoa, the new menu glitch is really nice [2014-11-05 7:14:18] Redslash: Thought you guys were talking about the one when Lavos first pops out of the ground [2014-11-05 9:04:38] ElGranJerry: I still think there might be more of those lying around [2014-11-05 9:04:50] ElGranJerry: but yeah, someday they will be found by accident like that one [2014-11-05 10:04:13] SnesWarrior: Gratz elmagus! Also, whatsup with all the 3's when getting WRs =P [2014-11-05 10:38:07] DrunkenDraconian: it's 3 taunting us, holding on the days before it's enevitable death. [2014-11-05 10:38:10] DrunkenDraconian: sub 3 hype [2014-11-05 10:38:38] eLmaGus: personally im pretty confident i can get 3:01 with enough grinding [2014-11-05 10:38:47] eLmaGus: but for a sub 3 we gotta do some work [2014-11-05 10:40:03] DrunkenDraconian: play for 2:15, attemp LSS 3-5 times repeat [2014-11-05 10:40:31] eLmaGus: uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh [2014-11-05 10:40:33] eLmaGus: no ty [2014-11-05 10:42:31] DrunkenDraconian: yeah :) [2014-11-05 10:42:44] DrunkenDraconian: someone needs to make a randomizer for CT [2014-11-05 10:51:16] DrunkenDraconian: I've been feeling the itch for something different, maybe i'll attempt a 100% no S&Q tonight [2014-11-05 11:18:02] SnesWarrior: Have you ever tried learning SoM 1p2c DD? It has movement that feels a lot like CT, but with an action combat system. There may be a race of it at the end of December. Of course Stinger will beat us all, but it's a super fun speedrun to learn. [2014-11-05 11:20:57] DrunkenDraconian: i thought that was a joke :P I'll look into it [2014-11-05 11:21:13] DrunkenDraconian: i saw that vikings game 1p2c thing [2014-11-05 11:21:57] DrunkenDraconian: seemed crazy [2014-11-05 11:23:13] SnesWarrior: Oh dang, people are doing that with 2c now? Makes sense. And yeah, I remember that game being brutal as a kid. [2014-11-05 11:23:47] DrunkenDraconian: he had a big roll of tape betewwn 2 controllers and played the front and back [2014-11-05 11:25:27] SnesWarrior: Nice, thats one of the setups for 2c in SoM as well. [2014-11-05 11:25:57] Nihil922: how about 1p3c? Kappa [2014-11-05 11:26:02] SnesWarrior: Other one is just holding it lower than the other controller but holding them both at the same time. Front/Back setup looks the coolest to me [2014-11-05 11:26:21] SnesWarrior: Feet% Nihil? I could get into that =P [2014-11-05 11:26:37] Nihil922: :D [2014-11-05 11:27:53] SnesWarrior: I'm honestly surprised StingerPA hasn't already attempted that. He's pretty elitist when it comes to SoM. Must not save much time. [2014-11-05 11:28:21] eLmaGus: uh the 3rd C wouldnt do anything [2014-11-05 11:28:21] eLmaGus: like [2014-11-05 11:28:24] eLmaGus: 2 is all you need [2014-11-05 11:29:34] Nihil922: it would be fun to see as a joke category or something [2014-11-05 11:29:55] DrunkenDraconian: i'm atching the AGDQ 2014 run atm [2014-11-05 11:30:06] DrunkenDraconian: they are doing 2p3c [2014-11-05 11:30:27] SnesWarrior: That was a fun watch [2014-11-07 17:12:55] ElGranJerry: I found 4 new ways to lose a run today, so good [2014-11-07 17:13:02] ElGranJerry: the game surprises me every time :D [2014-11-07 18:53:13] Redslash: I got kinda carried away with this illustration, but... here's what I use for Megasaur skip =) https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxanR0N05ZMnBFczg/edit [2014-11-07 19:07:16] ElGranJerry: cool man thks [2014-11-08 6:13:13] eLmaGus: anybody else wanna woop Masa&Mune's ass in a race? [2014-11-08 17:11:51] Redslash: Yeah wow I've never seen this, door transition gets unloaded {{expired}}http://www.twitch.tv/nihil922/b/586707999?t=26m55s [2014-11-08 17:13:42] Redslash: It is a temporary trigger (game de-activates it after you beat D.Tank), it's so weird though.. [2014-11-08 17:42:15 | Edited 18:04:41] Redslash: Phew, I was able to replicate it. Looks the slope is meant to push you *down* enough pixels into the trigger (you can't just walk down), and you can get out of alignment so it doesn't work [2014-11-08 17:42:46] Redslash: So if this door breaks, walk =P [2014-11-08 20:07:13] ElGranJerry: damn dude, that's so weird [2014-11-08 20:07:22] ElGranJerry: sucks it was during a run though :/ [2014-11-08 20:12:21] Redslash: Yeah =( [2014-11-08 20:30:42] ElGranJerry: I just managed to replicate it as well rofl, another thing to be nervous about on runs lmao [2014-11-08 21:42:48] eLmaGus: oh damn i think that happened to me in practice once and i thought the game was just fucking with me [2014-11-09 10:52:11] Nihil922: ;( [2014-11-09 10:52:48] eLmaGus: its fine [2014-11-09 10:52:52] eLmaGus: like i said [2014-11-09 10:52:58] eLmaGus: that happened to me (exact same way) [2014-11-09 10:53:03] eLmaGus: before i PBed [2014-11-09 10:53:15] Nihil922: im gonna have to practice the whole gauntlet, and especially that fight [2014-11-09 10:53:22] eLmaGus: nah man [2014-11-09 10:53:31] eLmaGus: all you need to practice is BT and Shell [2014-11-09 10:53:33] eLmaGus: the rest is free [2014-11-09 10:54:30] eLmaGus: you were looking good [2014-11-09 10:54:34] eLmaGus: up until that faux pas [2014-11-09 10:54:37] eLmaGus: unfortunatley [2014-11-09 10:54:43] eLmaGus: the shell doesnt screw around too much [2014-11-09 10:55:07] Nihil922: yea, i was fairly happy with the run, the beginning was kinda meh but good otherwise [2014-11-09 10:55:22] eLmaGus: you had a lot of minor mistakes but overall solid [2014-11-09 10:55:25] eLmaGus: no big ones [2014-11-09 10:55:27] eLmaGus: is the big thing [2014-11-09 10:55:29] eLmaGus: that is very good [2014-11-09 10:55:35] eLmaGus: you can always work on the small stuff [2014-11-09 10:56:53] Nihil922: i also discovered that the rng for reptite is quite forgiving, i messed up the fights in the lair, but i still ended up on the right rng for nizbel [2014-11-09 10:57:03] eLmaGus: dude [2014-11-09 10:57:07] eLmaGus: its really weird [2014-11-09 10:57:07] eLmaGus: like [2014-11-09 10:57:09] eLmaGus: some fights [2014-11-09 10:57:14] eLmaGus: you can do whatever the fuck you want [2014-11-09 10:57:21] eLmaGus: others you make 1 small variation you are fucked [2014-11-09 10:57:25] eLmaGus: i dont know [2014-11-09 10:57:42] Nihil922: yea, it would be good to figure out which fights works [2014-11-09 10:57:55] eLmaGus: well i will just try to not mess up anything :> [2014-11-09 10:58:16] Nihil922: the first fight in magus lair is fine as well, i got attacked twice [2014-11-09 10:58:51] Nihil922: frogs attack for "fake flea" was a crit, but the real fight still went the same way [2014-11-09 10:59:06] eLmaGus: yeah that one i knew of [2014-11-09 10:59:17] eLmaGus: redslash pointed that out on jerry's stream a while back [2014-11-09 10:59:30] eLmaGus: anyways [2014-11-09 10:59:41] eLmaGus: sucks that that happened but next time youll get an even better time anyways [2014-11-09 10:59:47] Nihil922: for sure [2014-11-09 10:59:49] eLmaGus: and im gonna go take a nap now [2014-11-09 10:59:58] Nihil922: see you [2014-11-09 11:00:09] eLmaGus: later man keep up the good work [2014-11-09 14:02:05] Ottavino: Skype tells me it's your birthday today, so Happy Birthday eLmaGus!! [2014-11-09 15:45:25] DrunkenDraconian: Yeah BHD, I hope a Chrono cart is near in your future [2014-11-10 7:35:50] eLmaGus: thanks guys [2014-11-10 7:35:55] eLmaGus: and its on the way :P [2014-11-12 4:53:21] Redslash: Heh heh, there's only 7 NPCs you need to talk to in Programmer's Ending, plus Gaspar... Toma, Magus statue, Atropos, skeleton, kid, Flea, Dalton [2014-11-12 8:41:19] eLmaGus: oh man the All Endings run is getting investigated [2014-11-12 8:41:23] eLmaGus: i cant wait [2014-11-14 23:10:40] Redslash: You know, before the PSX remake, I don't think "Ending 2" was normally considered separate from the Moonlight Parade ending, but as one of the many variants... possibly due to the mention in-game of "all 10 endings"... [2014-11-14 23:12:53 | Edited 23:17:10] Redslash: ... which would be in addition to opening NG+ in the first place. Reason I care is this could totally be "Black Omen RTA", but this 5-min diversion is killing the flow X) [2014-11-14 23:25:22 | Edited 23:31:09] Redslash: Plus I don't agree with any of the remakes... or even the "official OST" where they label Denadoro Mtns song "Sewers" (though it comes after Factory and immediately before Masa boss)... but ok, that's another story [2014-11-16 12:31:08] ElGranJerry: When you fall down in magus castle is the teleporter always on the same spot? [2014-11-16 12:31:23] DrunkenDraconian: nope [2014-11-16 12:31:29] DrunkenDraconian: but [2014-11-16 12:31:42] DrunkenDraconian: the save point and tele are always across from eachother [2014-11-16 12:32:25] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-11-16 12:32:42] ElGranJerry: that sucks though [2014-11-16 12:33:27] DrunkenDraconian: don't fall in Keepo [2014-11-16 12:33:33] ElGranJerry: I guess the solutions is simple, don't fall [2014-11-16 12:33:35] ElGranJerry: exactly haha [2014-11-16 12:33:51] ElGranJerry: that was my 1st time in a run [2014-11-16 12:34:03] ElGranJerry: oh well, ez 2-2:30 to save [2014-11-16 12:34:51] SnesWarrior: If it helps, they are always the opposite than the previos hole before it [2014-11-16 12:35:21] DrunkenDraconian: falling in twice might be a reset even for a non reset run :P [2014-11-16 12:35:24] SnesWarrior: so if the holes were numbered 1-2-3-4-5-6. 1's save/tele would be North and South, 2's would be East/West [2014-11-16 12:35:56] ElGranJerry: I see [2014-11-16 12:36:07] DrunkenDraconian: so if you know the hole you know the location? [2014-11-16 12:36:09] ElGranJerry: but the 1st tele exit is random i'm guessing? [2014-11-16 12:36:45] SnesWarrior: I don't think so, didn't test it a whole lot. But im pretty sure its static [2014-11-16 12:38:07] DrunkenDraconian: i found a website that has all of the sprites for CT, went a little nutzo the other day on my overlay [2014-11-16 12:38:48] SnesWarrior: Haha, nice, looking forward to seeing it then =D [2014-11-16 12:39:40] DrunkenDraconian: #MSPaint #whoneedsphotoshop [2014-11-16 12:40:52] SnesWarrior: rofl. Those are my feels atm. Although I do know a really easy way to make the background of an image transparent if you ever wanna know how to do that. [2014-11-16 12:41:46] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, make the 2nd color on the pallett the color you want transparent [2014-11-16 12:44:11] SnesWarrior: Ah, I use this website that does it for you. It tries to make you pay for it before it gives you the actual transparent image. But if you just right-click and click "save image" or w/e. It bypasses it >< [2014-11-16 12:45:10] DrunkenDraconian: http://www.spriters-resource.com/snes/chronotrigger/ [2014-11-16 12:46:51] SnesWarrior: Holy crap, that is the most organized sprite database I think I've ever seen [2014-11-16 12:46:59] SnesWarrior: Granted it's been awhile since I tried looking for one [2014-11-16 12:47:16] DrunkenDraconian: has everything, even the developer sprites ;) [2014-11-16 12:47:55] SnesWarrior: And for a bunch of other games too >.> I can't get over how neat the appearance is... I'm too used to just seeing one giant block of sprites rofl [2014-11-16 12:50:05] DrunkenDraconian: its jsut fun to make scenes with them [2014-11-16 13:32:47] eLmaGus: dude the hole is the worst [2014-11-16 13:32:54] eLmaGus: especially if crono is not even on it [2014-11-16 13:32:56] eLmaGus: and it triggers [2014-11-16 13:32:58] eLmaGus: that one is the best [2014-11-16 14:21:42] ElGranJerry: for sure [2014-11-17 16:13:16] ElGranJerry: for the Giga Gaia phase, Falcon hit x9 then Crono crits [2014-11-17 16:13:24] ElGranJerry: instead of FHx10 [2014-11-17 16:14:31] DrunkenDraconian: little gem of a crit hiding in there lol [2014-11-17 16:15:08] ElGranJerry: should kill with just the attack [2014-11-17 16:15:13] ElGranJerry: if not ayla attacks too [2014-11-17 16:15:42] ElGranJerry: Red pointed out cat attack canceled 1 FH, and attack is faster, so there it is :D [2014-11-17 16:15:47] ElGranJerry: -3s [2014-11-20 18:09:22] ElGranJerry: 1:54 Magus or reset, new standard for runs [2014-11-24 17:12:43] ElGranJerry: guys I was thinking about making an Any% tutorial soonish. Should I break it out or wait to see if anything is improved? [2014-11-24 17:12:50] ElGranJerry: Route seems pretty solid at this point [2014-11-24 17:51:24] Redslash: Awesome dude, I think you should go for it =) [2014-11-24 18:03:53] ElGranJerry: will do, probably will do it off stream because I don't want to have a 53423423 part tutorial cause of dropped frames [2014-11-24 18:04:06] ElGranJerry: and I can get a better quality [2014-11-25 16:58:03] SnesWarrior: Gratz again Jerry!!!! About to go watch the entire VoD right now! [2014-11-25 17:01:46] ElGranJerry: thanks :D [2014-11-25 17:02:04] ElGranJerry: Start was meh, but that RSeries split was soo sexy, -40s [2014-11-25 17:04:10] ElGranJerry: but honestly it's still up for grabs, I lost a lot of time overall, specially on both skips and magus castle [2014-11-25 17:04:23] ElGranJerry: but I don't feel like grinding for 3:01 [2014-11-25 17:05:15] SnesWarrior: Still an awesome time dude. Going to enjoy gunning for ya [2014-11-25 17:06:18 | Edited 17:06:39] SnesWarrior: Gf just bought me a big bottle of vodka, so i'll be toasting to you tonight while rewatching! Cheers! :D [2014-11-25 17:12:24] ElGranJerry: :O Nice! [2014-11-25 17:12:26] ElGranJerry: cheers [2014-11-26 9:21:50] Nihil922: grats jerry! [2014-11-26 9:22:37 | Edited 9:22:42] Nihil922: hm.. the vod looks really wierd to me, the video player is all stretched out [2014-11-26 9:29:55] ElGranJerry: Thanks :D [2014-11-26 9:30:03] ElGranJerry: Yeah I can't open it either, seems twitch is messing up [2014-11-26 9:31:05] ElGranJerry: I'm uploading to YT but still over an hour to go [2014-11-27 9:49:57] SnesWarrior: Happy thanksgiving everybody =) [2014-11-27 11:36:17] DrunkenDraconian: that was more than a month ago :P [2014-11-27 11:59:05] SnesWarrior: wuuut, thanksgiving in october? I think you gotcher holidays mixed up my friend [2014-11-27 12:03:06] DrunkenDraconian: not in Canadia [2014-11-27 12:04:03] ElGranJerry: have a good one [2014-11-27 12:04:25] ElGranJerry: my thanksgiving is nonexistant and it includes 2 exams and a 3 hour lecture on shit [2014-11-27 12:05:05] SnesWarrior: Dang, I need to visit canada in october and so I can get two turkey days in a year then *gasm* [2014-11-27 12:05:14] SnesWarrior: Ouch Jerry >< [2014-11-27 12:05:57] SnesWarrior: Well if it makes you feel better, i'll eat an extra plate of turkey and dressing just for you :> [2014-11-27 12:07:00] DrunkenDraconian: derishious [2014-11-27 12:07:39] SnesWarrior: Does canada treat thanksgiving like america does? or do you guys have some other good trend? [2014-11-27 12:07:49] SnesWarrior: food* [2014-11-27 12:08:41] DrunkenDraconian: mostly the same [2014-11-27 12:08:59] DrunkenDraconian: turkey and food fights [2014-11-27 12:09:24] ElGranJerry: No Tacos? ;( [2014-11-27 12:09:40] DrunkenDraconian: lol [2014-11-27 12:09:44] DrunkenDraconian: it could be donw [2014-11-27 12:09:45] SnesWarrior: hahaha [2014-11-27 12:10:04] SnesWarrior: That actually sounds like it would go good, make some turkey tacos or something [2014-11-27 12:10:15] DrunkenDraconian: i usually make a big pizza pocket with the leftovers [2014-11-27 12:10:30] SnesWarrior: that sounds amazing lol [2014-11-27 12:10:53] DrunkenDraconian: gravy for sauce, you can imagine the rest [2014-11-27 12:11:00] ElGranJerry: :O [2014-11-27 12:11:02] SnesWarrior: indeed [2014-11-27 12:11:10] ElGranJerry: sounds good but i cant eat it lol [2014-11-27 12:11:32] DrunkenDraconian: turkeys illegal there? [2014-11-27 12:12:10] ElGranJerry: lmao [2014-11-27 12:12:14] ElGranJerry: i can't lactose [2014-11-27 12:12:33] SnesWarrior: oh man, a lot of my friends are like that as well =/ [2014-11-27 12:12:50] DrunkenDraconian: :( I'd die ithout cheese [2014-11-27 12:12:52] ElGranJerry: I can have some of those shit non lactose milk but that's it [2014-11-27 12:12:54] SnesWarrior: I only semi-lactose intolerant, thankfully, I can have very small portions [2014-11-27 12:13:12] ElGranJerry: small portions :O [2014-11-27 12:13:15] ElGranJerry: I used to be that way [2014-11-27 12:13:23] ElGranJerry: but one day yeah, idk it got worse :( [2014-11-27 12:14:04] DrunkenDraconian: very common among blood type O [2014-11-27 12:14:25] ElGranJerry: look at the bright side, if I ask no cheese in my meal and it has I can sew the restaurant [2014-11-27 12:14:34] SnesWarrior: lol! [2014-11-27 12:14:36] ElGranJerry: yeah I'm blood O [2014-11-27 12:15:54] DrunkenDraconian: O for Original human blood type, from a time when we ate meat fruits and veggeis, before the time of farming grains and dairy [2014-11-27 12:16:40] DrunkenDraconian: dairy famers lobbied like crazy to have dairy treated like a necessairy food group [2014-11-27 12:17:04] SnesWarrior: Wow, is that really what O means? That's pretty cool I never knew that [2014-11-27 12:17:19] DrunkenDraconian: O [2014-11-27 12:17:21] SnesWarrior: I dont even know my blood type X_X [2014-11-27 12:23:37] DrunkenDraconian: neither did the turkey you are about to devour [2014-11-27 12:30:37] SnesWarrior: The viscious cycle of life (pi) [2014-11-27 12:31:01] ElGranJerry: (beer)(beer) (beer) (beer) (beer) (beer) [2014-11-27 12:31:06] ElGranJerry: and we are good [2014-11-27 12:37:58] DrunkenDraconian: hey Jerry, I'm itching to start playing my J cart, nudge nudge wink nudge [2014-11-27 12:38:14] ElGranJerry: haha [2014-11-27 12:38:17] ElGranJerry: when do you want to race? [2014-11-27 12:38:28] ElGranJerry: Saturday? [2014-11-27 12:44:09] DrunkenDraconian: sat is the one bad day for me [2014-11-27 12:44:33] DrunkenDraconian: I'm free otherwise [2014-11-27 12:44:45] ElGranJerry: I am free next week [2014-11-27 12:44:53] ElGranJerry: but this week all days are bad xept saturday [2014-11-27 12:45:52] DrunkenDraconian: no worries, i don't mean to add pressure during exams [2014-11-27 20:14:06] SnesWarrior: Interesting TAS we have going on here [2014-11-27 20:14:22] DrunkenDraconian: ? [2014-11-27 20:14:31] SnesWarrior: http://www.twitch.tv/h4xm4n [2014-11-27 20:17:38] SnesWarrior: Wish it had a timer though, curious what time he's at [2014-11-27 20:19:04] DrunkenDraconian: tripple tech hype [2014-11-27 20:19:18] ElGranJerry: same [2014-11-27 20:19:23] ElGranJerry: can ask him... [2014-11-27 20:20:01] SnesWarrior: Some of the stuff he is doing is reaaally well thought out. Have you guys ever talked with him before? Surprised we've never heard of him [2014-11-27 20:20:44] ElGranJerry: never [2014-11-27 20:20:52] Redslash: The name seems familiar, but no [2014-11-27 20:20:56] ElGranJerry: his reptite lair was SICK [2014-11-27 20:22:01] DrunkenDraconian: so this is all glitchless [2014-11-27 20:22:25] Redslash: Ah yeah, it's also "get [1 of] every item, and every tech" [2014-11-27 20:22:43] DrunkenDraconian: fuck'n sweet [2014-11-27 20:22:45] SnesWarrior: I only caught from after slash, but yea no fadeouts [2014-11-27 20:22:49] SnesWarrior: some cool stuff tho [2014-11-27 20:23:42] ElGranJerry: no unequips... [2014-11-27 20:23:54] ElGranJerry: couldn't only laser spin the 1st fight in magus castle haha [2014-11-27 20:24:42] Redslash: Yeh, same as J route =) [2014-11-27 20:25:09] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-11-27 20:25:12] ElGranJerry: YES TRADING [2014-11-27 20:25:18] ElGranJerry: SEXY [2014-11-27 20:25:23] Redslash: Lol, hell ya [2014-11-27 20:26:06] SnesWarrior: I really like how he's routed it to where he doesnt even have to do the fast run away glitch [2014-11-27 20:26:14] SnesWarrior: Uhp nvm, he jsut did it >< [2014-11-27 20:26:34] ElGranJerry: flea manip was great [2014-11-27 20:26:38] ElGranJerry: knows his stuff [2014-11-27 20:26:42] Redslash: Oh yeah, he might menu for the minimum number of frames or something [2014-11-27 20:27:15] SnesWarrior: Ah I see [2014-11-27 20:27:39] SnesWarrior: Yoo that tyranno room! lol [2014-11-27 20:27:53] Redslash: Ooh, how much are we grinding here... [2014-11-27 20:29:57] ElGranJerry: grinding for volt bite i assume? [2014-11-27 20:30:40] Redslash: Maybe even Falcon Hit... [2014-11-27 20:31:13] SnesWarrior: Zerk Robo strats <3 [2014-11-27 20:32:11] ElGranJerry: more than FHit Pog [2014-11-27 20:35:34] ElGranJerry: we going for Luminaire??? [2014-11-27 20:35:40] ElGranJerry: or however its spelled lol [2014-11-27 20:36:18] SnesWarrior: Possibly for the core, seems like a good strat [2014-11-27 20:36:53] ElGranJerry: The question is, is he going to USE Frog Squash??? [2014-11-27 20:36:56] ElGranJerry: lol [2014-11-27 20:37:01] SnesWarrior: haha, yes [2014-11-27 20:39:59] Redslash: He's getting all tabs too. So now it makes sense [2014-11-27 20:40:30] Redslash: Pretty sure Rubble on Mt. Woe is faster than grinding here... [2014-11-27 20:40:51] ElGranJerry: isn't mt woe after this? [2014-11-27 20:41:14] ElGranJerry: and I assume he needs haste [2014-11-27 20:41:41] SnesWarrior: ooo did you see that skip into Azala room? That may actually be practical in a non TAS [2014-11-27 20:41:45] SnesWarrior: gonna have to play with that [2014-11-27 20:42:05] Redslash: Dang it I missed it [2014-11-27 20:42:11] ElGranJerry: good time for my stream to freeze :/ [2014-11-27 20:42:39] SnesWarrior: He did it normal but before entering the door he diagonal-up-left and then entered the door from the other side [2014-11-27 20:43:45] ElGranJerry: THAT STRAT [2014-11-27 20:43:52] Redslash: Hm ok. Because you can also do Megasaur skip on the other side of the walkway, it's symmetrical [2014-11-27 20:47:41] DrunkenDraconian: I'm not going to be able to stay up for all of this :( [2014-11-27 20:47:52] ElGranJerry: :( [2014-11-27 20:47:57] ElGranJerry: My stream is crapping out [2014-11-27 20:48:02] ElGranJerry: I am watching a nice ppt [2014-11-27 20:51:30] ElGranJerry: That way to get past the NU into the charging pendant hall [2014-11-27 20:51:36] ElGranJerry: without waking him up [2014-11-27 20:51:43] ElGranJerry: only been able to pull it of once [2014-11-27 20:53:29] SnesWarrior: iirc the key for that is to walk and not run, and hold up [2014-11-27 20:54:33] ElGranJerry: ooooh [2014-11-27 20:54:37] ElGranJerry: Is it faster? [2014-11-27 20:54:43] ElGranJerry: seemed like it [2014-11-27 20:55:15] SnesWarrior: Yeah, I think optimally it is. But it can be annoying some of the time [2014-11-27 20:56:15] SnesWarrior: Dream Gun and Dream Bow? Hmm, I don't even know if I've ever even got those [2014-11-27 21:00:10] ElGranJerry: he skipped the 1st battle in the ruins... [2014-11-27 21:00:12] ElGranJerry: the mutant [2014-11-27 21:00:45] Redslash: Ah yeah, TAS only I believe [2014-11-27 21:00:50] SnesWarrior: WUT!?!? Angled Johnny race? [2014-11-27 21:00:56] SnesWarrior: I feel like such a noob right now man [2014-11-27 21:13:50] Redslash: This reminds me I started learning 100% a couple weeks ago. Made it to Geno Dome [2014-11-27 21:14:13] ElGranJerry: swweeeeet [2014-11-27 21:14:18] ElGranJerry: 100% deserves more love [2014-11-27 21:15:25] Redslash: Yeah, for sure. There's no chance of J being faster, either [2014-11-27 21:15:48] ElGranJerry: J deserves more love as well [2014-11-27 21:16:34] ElGranJerry: unfortunately I don't have too much love to give :( [2014-11-27 21:18:07] Redslash: Aw, J will be there when you're ready [2014-11-27 21:18:23] Redslash: Btw, our leaderboards say English version... lol [2014-11-27 21:19:01] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-11-27 21:19:13] ElGranJerry: the J leaderboards seem outdated [2014-11-27 21:19:14] ElGranJerry: 3:52 [2014-11-27 21:19:29] ElGranJerry: at least those ones [2014-11-27 21:19:38] Redslash: Yep, they only run glitchless I believe [2014-11-27 21:19:46] ElGranJerry: typical Japanese [2014-11-27 21:20:12] ElGranJerry: I think glitchless is better for some gams, but not CT [2014-11-27 21:23:11] ElGranJerry: I think we should do a category [2014-11-27 21:23:18] ElGranJerry: starting from Crono getting the Mop [2014-11-27 21:23:27] ElGranJerry: only crono wep allowed [2014-11-27 21:24:19] SnesWarrior: NG+ , Mop only (cool) [2014-11-27 21:24:54] ElGranJerry: (nod) [2014-11-27 21:26:43] Redslash: Start from a Low Level NG+, worst equipment? [2014-11-27 21:26:48] Redslash: Ozzie Pants, lol [2014-11-27 21:27:09] Redslash: Shoot I don't think you keep those.. [2014-11-27 21:27:14] ElGranJerry: Ozzie Pants = Swag [2014-11-27 21:53:37] ElGranJerry: closing skype cause my internet sucks [2014-11-27 21:53:39] ElGranJerry: want to watch that TAS [2014-11-27 21:53:41] ElGranJerry: :D [2014-11-27 21:54:01] SnesWarrior: understandable [2014-11-30 2:25:32] Redslash: Uhhhh on final Shell form, I think we can skip the Haste on Marle? Lol... [2014-11-30 2:26:28] Redslash: Then 1 more Haste at normal speed, instead of 2 at double speed... hesitation wouldn't be needed either =P [2014-11-30 2:27:51 | Edited 2:27:58] Redslash: But I'll test more tomorrow, could be missing something [2014-11-30 2:33:59 | Edited 2:39:49] Redslash: Oh duh, still hesitate. One less Haste animation though... and only if you're sure about your RNG, of course [2014-11-30 2:49:19] Redslash: Also found... text-cancelling the Forest Shrine shop dialogue... 2.5 seconds~ [2014-11-30 10:12:49] ElGranJerry: :O nice man [2014-11-30 10:13:10] ElGranJerry: how to cancel that dialogue? Can you move during it? Never tried it lol [2014-11-30 10:24:44] Ottavino: yeah you can go up during it [2014-11-30 15:12:54] SnesWarrior: Haha, I remember Otta saying something about the forest shrine textbox awhile back.. just tested it. Pretty good... also you can sometimes get a weird situation where it puts you in a "equip" menu, inside of the shop menu. Interesting. [2014-11-30 15:19:48] Redslash: Oh huh, holding Up too long when it fades to black would do that [2014-11-30 15:20:05] Redslash: But yeah it's nice. Sorry Otta, must've missed it =) [2014-11-30 15:31:55] SnesWarrior: I wonder why the programming gets confused and puts you into an Equip menu. Considering that seems like a normal function for RPG's with shops sometimes. Leftover data or something? [2014-11-30 15:34:58] Redslash: I mean, pressing up once you're in the shop puts you there, heh heh [2014-11-30 15:35:50] Redslash: Wait.. did you know you could equip in shops? [2014-11-30 15:35:55] SnesWarrior: LOL, dang! the more you know [2014-11-30 15:36:02] SnesWarrior: Nope, had no clue lmao [2014-11-30 15:36:34] SnesWarrior: Beat this game 100 times as a kid.. never once thought to press up during shopping. haha [2014-11-30 15:37:02] DrunkenDraconian: would that speed up the post zombor de-equip then? [2014-11-30 15:37:42] Redslash: Aw, you can't dequip in the shop unfortunately. Really no use for it in the speedrun~ [2014-11-30 15:37:59] SnesWarrior: That explains it [2014-11-30 15:48:32] Redslash: I still believe it's faster though, to D/E only Crono at Dorino, D/E+Ribbon Marle at Tata Skip, then D/E Robo down at the Porre shop [2014-11-30 15:51:44] ElGranJerry: Yeah I tried dequipping at shops when I first started, was kinda dissapointed :/ [2014-11-30 15:54:49 | Edited 15:55:50] Redslash: Oh wait, Miragehand during Tata Skip is the important thing, so that you don't sell it [2014-11-30 15:56:34] ElGranJerry: I still can't see why it would be faster to divide [2014-11-30 15:56:57] ElGranJerry: Are the shop textboxes longer than the extra 2 loading zones+ shop opening? [2014-11-30 16:02:10] Redslash: Only thing it adds is entering/exiting a building, you can even engage the Porre shop guy from pretty far away [2014-11-30 16:02:46] Redslash: I mean it's not a whole lot, but it's there [2014-11-30 16:03:20] ElGranJerry: yeah, I'll time it to get expected TS [2014-11-30 16:03:29] ElGranJerry: later today [2014-11-30 16:16:59] Redslash: I would say... 30 frames. Heh heh [2014-11-30 16:18:42] Redslash: Including the 4 extra steps on the worldmap [2014-11-30 16:18:54] ElGranJerry: save da frames [2014-11-30 16:19:23] ElGranJerry: when is sub 3? [2014-11-30 16:23:58] Redslash: 2014... better be [2014-11-30 16:27:07] ElGranJerry: I don't think it will happen this yeat [2014-11-30 16:27:08] ElGranJerry: r [2014-11-30 16:27:33] ElGranJerry: at least I'm not grinding for it, getting kinda worn out of it [2014-11-30 16:27:45] ElGranJerry: will take it easy for a while [2014-11-30 16:28:56] ElGranJerry: but I got a 46 R-Series yesterday, will be happy with that for a while lol [2014-11-30 16:35:01] Redslash: I'm going to do my best to see if it's possible, with what we have. 2015 is J runs though, that's my cut-off X) [2014-11-30 16:37:13] ElGranJerry: :D [2014-11-30 16:37:40] ElGranJerry: 2015 is 100% for me, but I will try J at some point [2014-11-30 16:37:59] ElGranJerry: should be fun [2014-11-30 16:46:00] Redslash: Cool... I figure I'll probably try 100% too [2014-11-30 16:48:58] Redslash: I'm also getting curious about NG+, like what the minimum requirements actually shake out to be (and still be an optimal run) [2014-11-30 16:56:42] Redslash: Lots of research still to do in 2015, that I'm looking forward to [2014-11-30 17:02:47] ElGranJerry: NG+ seems like fun, I'm just lazy atm to get to lvl 99 lol [2014-11-30 17:03:08] ElGranJerry: I always get off track [2014-11-30 17:13:28] Redslash: My favorite spot was always the Death Peak fight with 3 Krakkers 1 Macabre: left, right, Lightning2, Macabre drops Ether... best with turbo A [2014-11-30 17:15:33] Redslash: Never even have to look at the screen, just press left/right when the music changes~ [2014-11-30 17:29:28] ElGranJerry: :O I didn't know that [2014-11-30 17:29:30] ElGranJerry: that's cool [2014-11-30 17:29:37] ElGranJerry: wish I had a turbo controller though [2014-11-30 20:23:13] DrunkenDraconian: is there a rule that you can't just use RAMWatch to cheat the levels and tabs?? At this point you can dump saves onto your cart with a Retron5 anyway [2014-11-30 20:23:30] DrunkenDraconian: it's effectively the same [2014-11-30 20:44:20] Redslash: Ah yeah, I don't see why not. [2014-11-30 20:45:11] DrunkenDraconian: or even to avoid modding the character data at all just make a mob worth max xp and fight 4-5 times [2014-11-30 20:45:43] DrunkenDraconian: at leastfor testing [2014-11-30 20:46:13] Redslash: But, getting the requirements for NG+, which includes a bunch of tabs, sounds like it could be Pink Nu RTA, heh heh... [2014-11-30 20:46:42] DrunkenDraconian: Yuuuuup [2014-11-30 20:47:05] Redslash: Which sounds fun, ha ha [2014-11-30 20:47:05] DrunkenDraconian: what's the estimate? [2014-11-30 20:47:14] DrunkenDraconian: 12h? [2014-11-30 20:48:06] DrunkenDraconian: can you elixir the pnik NU? Kappa [2014-11-30 20:48:35] Redslash: Uhhh I've done it in 24 hours total, but I don't remember if it was multiple playthroughs... [2014-11-30 20:49:08] Redslash: He has 20k HP!! Pog [2014-11-30 20:50:09] Redslash: Sweet, didn't know there was anything left to be elixir glitched X) [2014-11-30 20:52:25] DrunkenDraconian: 100% All glitches, All endings, all items [2014-11-30 20:52:29] DrunkenDraconian: RTA [2014-11-30 20:54:54] Redslash: Oh my..... and all encounters? [2014-11-30 20:54:56] DrunkenDraconian: It seems so counter productive to grind to 99 to Elixir glitch lol [2014-11-30 20:56:08] Redslash: Ha ha I guess it does. He's tough though, man [2014-11-30 20:56:31] Redslash: Now I just wanna see it done, lol... [2014-11-30 20:56:44] DrunkenDraconian: I never went that far :P [2014-11-30 21:13:50] Redslash: Dang, Crono's Magic stat at L99 is only~50, so I'm not sure 1 playthru's worth of tabs probably doesn't cut it [2014-11-30 21:14:29] Redslash: So it may as well be All Endings + Pink Nu, if it's really gonna be an event [2014-11-30 21:14:47] DrunkenDraconian: no repeatable charm targets? [2014-11-30 21:15:50] Redslash: I think Speedtabs are the only truly unlimited ones, but I'll double check.. [2014-11-30 21:18:35] Redslash: Ohhh Tubster! I thought he gave Speedtabs. Well then, 1 playthru still possible [2014-11-30 21:19:07] Redslash: Oh pff that's Power not Magic [2014-11-30 21:25:08] Redslash: 39 Magictabs total... quite a lot, but short by ~15... It might be enough, who knows [2014-11-30 21:30:09] Redslash: 2 playthroughs, probably the best bet [2014-11-30 22:58:24 | Edited 22:58:54] Redslash: No hesitation for the no-Haste-on-Marle Shell strat, not sure what I why I backpedaled on that... And, because A&C are Hasted sooner, you get an extra Falcon in, so skipping the 2nd revive is actually faster [2014-11-30 23:37:33] SnesWarrior: Haha, nice. Just tried it. Crono using Lapis instead sets up perfect for using the revive on Ayla. And if you somehow screw up and go slow, you can do the revive as a backup strat.. and if you screw up yet again it's an easy save to just full tonic twice and keep on chugging. Final Shell just became a walk in the park [2014-11-30 23:39:43 | Removed 23:40:30] Redslash: This message has been removed. [2014-11-30 23:40:15] Redslash: Oh wait I gotcha [2014-11-30 23:40:40] Redslash: Let me try that again. You mean the 2nd needle =P [2014-11-30 23:40:47] SnesWarrior: Haha yea xD [2014-11-30 23:41:32 | Edited 23:41:39] Redslash: Lol, I always mistakenly think the Greendream revive is from a needle [2014-11-30 23:41:46] SnesWarrior: Ah ok, I was wondering lol [2014-11-30 23:43:54 | Edited 23:44:59] SnesWarrior: I like the new strat a lot though, it seems somehow harder, yet easier too.. if that makes sense. Easier in that the pace of battle seems better. Harder in the fact that you have to directional input right and up twice. Which really isn't all that bad. But it is annoying when you mess up [2014-11-30 23:48:52] Redslash: Hm, after Crono uses a Heal and Marle Hastes him, I have Crono do the Falcon Hit, so then Ayla can mash and use Revive (and C uses FT on that turn). Then 3 Falcons before Marle's turn, so she takes her time to use Fulltonic (a bit risky tho) [2014-11-30 23:50:54 | Edited 23:51:08] Redslash: Ayla does all 3 Falcons btw, then Lapis, then 3 more, so Crono is always on item [2014-11-30 23:52:28] SnesWarrior: Oh now that's interesting. I do the strats I do because I Haste Crono first. [2014-11-30 23:53:10] SnesWarrior: I'll try and copy and paste my exact battle. hopefully it doesnt explode [2014-11-30 23:53:44] Redslash: Ahh yeah, for some reason I decided Ayla first was better, probably doesn't matter though [2014-11-30 23:55:10] Redslash: It's pretty rough but I did it on BS2, Crono needed to FT himself at the end for an extra turn X) [2014-11-30 23:55:21] SnesWarrior: Yeah, I think optimally they are about the same. Since my Crono stays on Item as well. It's cool that both ways work though [2014-11-30 23:56:39] SnesWarrior: So, you do end up having to Revive Ayla right? to get in the last 2 FH? [2014-11-30 23:58:06] Redslash: Oh sorry, forgot to touch on that. I have Crono do 5 attacks. [2014-11-30 23:58:53] Redslash: 2 are crits, which cover 1 FH (and is 15 frames slower than a FH), and 3 normal attacks cover the last one [2014-11-30 23:59:54] Redslash: So, when Ayla uses the 2nd Lapis, Crono does his 1st attack there [2014-12-01 0:00:08] Redslash: And 4 more after Ayla is needled [2014-12-01 0:00:18] SnesWarrior: Oh woow, ok, so that is a bit different [2014-12-01 0:00:43] Redslash: Yeah I reckon it is X) [2014-12-01 0:05:37] Redslash: So, ok, that's why Ayla must use the Lapis... [2014-12-01 0:15:23] SnesWarrior: Hmmm, I'm getting 1 attack during Ayla's Lapis, then 5 attacks at the end, the last being a crit [2014-12-01 0:15:34] SnesWarrior: 2 crits overall tho [2014-12-01 0:16:49 | Edited 0:17:16] Redslash: Oh my, and... this also requires the GigaGaia fight where you do 9 Falcons and a crit, instead of 10 Falcons [2014-12-01 0:17:01] Redslash: That'll put you on 0x70 instead of 0x6F [2014-12-01 0:18:20] SnesWarrior: Ah, and that'd be my problem, since the last crit is misplaced im getting an extra attack [2014-12-01 8:21:07] ElGranJerry: The crit at the end of Giga Gaia seems to be kinda hard to get though, 3 times I've tried it in RTA and no crit, need to do double attack :( [2014-12-01 8:21:24] ElGranJerry: maybe load to early or something lol [2014-12-01 16:05:54] Redslash: Hm it's still doable, but I will look into why no crit happens [2014-12-01 16:12:00 | Edited 16:12:36] Redslash: I'm looking at 1st Tyrano fight, since we're gonna skip shelter, hehe... If you wait Crono's 2nd Lightning until the boss attacks, then squeeze in Light-FK-Slash, Ayla takes no damage (and Crono dies just before Firebreath, lol) [2014-12-01 16:15:36] Redslash: Also, Crono attacks to cancel BT's tongue move [2014-12-02 19:03:40] ElGranJerry: would any of you for some reason know how to adjust brightness settings for an AMD card? My dell laptop reset and now it's stuck on max brightness, can't control it :( [2014-12-02 20:17:26] DrunkenDraconian: should be in catalyst somewhere [2014-12-02 20:56:05] ElGranJerry: yeah, it isn't working for some reason [2014-12-02 20:56:20] ElGranJerry: I downloaded f.lux lol, I don't need to deal with that anymore [2014-12-02 21:00:11] ElGranJerry: I am just praying now my laptop can last me until I run at the marathons [2014-12-02 21:00:18] ElGranJerry: it's 7 years old :/ Time to change [2014-12-02 21:06:14] DrunkenDraconian: I feel ya, [2014-12-02 21:21:04] ElGranJerry: Yo, if anyone wants to help me commentate my run this weekend feel welcome to join (this Sunday 6:50pm EST) [2014-12-02 21:41:50] eLmaGus: im down jerry, not sure if i can make it but i will try [2014-12-02 21:55:19] ElGranJerry: sounds great :D [2014-12-02 21:55:29] eLmaGus: the fast force marathon right? [2014-12-02 21:55:33] eLmaGus: or whatever that was [2014-12-02 21:55:36] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-12-02 21:55:45] ElGranJerry: ct is the final run [2014-12-02 21:55:48] eLmaGus: HEH [2014-12-02 21:55:49] eLmaGus: nice [2014-12-02 21:56:04] eLmaGus: just message me like 2-3 days before it so i dont forget lolol [2014-12-02 21:56:55] ElGranJerry: will do haha [2014-12-03 6:31:30] Redslash: Couldn't sleep, so I made some more information http://pastebin.com/iA7fGZ5e Pretty happy with how the window numbering worked out [2014-12-03 6:43:29] Redslash: Eh, couple fixes http://pastebin.com/W2dSMVcY [2014-12-03 7:41:31] ElGranJerry: sweeet [2014-12-03 7:41:39] ElGranJerry: you should upload it somewhere on the leaderboards [2014-12-03 7:41:54] ElGranJerry: ehh, the strategies rather [2014-12-03 18:07:06] Redslash: This might be more Krey to look at http://pastebin.com/W8ckby5h [2014-12-03 18:15:18] ElGranJerry: That's sexy man. Great job :D [2014-12-03 18:28:13] Redslash: Thanks dude. I'll go ahead and post it~ [2014-12-03 20:02:10] ElGranJerry: :D [2014-12-03 20:02:34] ElGranJerry: is there a workaround for using a usb controller on VC? [2014-12-03 20:02:44] ElGranJerry: I've tried some stuff to no luck yet [2014-12-04 3:27:48] eLmaGus: boys i need to run CT at a marathon the day before christmas eve [2014-12-04 3:28:01] eLmaGus: if somebody wants in on the action (aka commentate) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKxkYnyTSU5-qsMZdnFA_ZnzyMNMbWlEDnDmJDEhOB0/edit#gid=0 [2014-12-04 3:28:08] eLmaGus: just let me know [2014-12-04 9:06:56] ElGranJerry: If I get a laptop for that time I'll hop in. Cant promise anything though [2014-12-06 1:48:10] ElGranJerry: I did the impossible!!!! Beat Magus undeleveled [2014-12-06 1:51:32] Redslash: What a god!!! [2014-12-06 1:52:35] Redslash: Reminds me, there was a "low level" run on earlier today... it was awful [2014-12-06 1:53:04] ElGranJerry: Oh really? By who? [2014-12-06 1:53:14] ElGranJerry: Awful lol [2014-12-06 1:53:36] Redslash: "By doing the Bike Race you skip a shitload of fights"... you have to do it though.... [2014-12-06 1:53:49] Redslash: And he fought the 4 Buggers you walk past, that's when I left [2014-12-06 1:54:11] ElGranJerry: Lmao, what was his twitch name? [2014-12-06 1:55:19] Redslash: Lol, trying to find it. But eh, I think it wasn't serious at all... [2014-12-06 1:55:48] ElGranJerry: haha, just trolling then [2014-12-06 1:56:46] Redslash: Or appealing to folks who don't know wtf is going on, heh [2014-12-06 1:57:17] ElGranJerry: I dont like when that happens and thy have lots of viewers [2014-12-06 1:57:26] Redslash: Knew if I stuck around someone would prob get mad, so... X)))) [2014-12-06 1:57:31] ElGranJerry: Then people come into real run chats and ask dumb shiy [2014-12-06 1:59:09] Redslash: Meanwhile NicoBuzz trolling TheFastForce, ha ha [2014-12-06 2:00:59] ElGranJerry: Yeah dude lmao [2014-12-06 2:01:20] ElGranJerry: I just played along his conv haha. Was funny [2014-12-06 2:10:54] Redslash: Eh, the guy's smart. Twitch chat's not the place unfortunately X) [2014-12-06 2:12:19] Redslash: Don't matter if you're right or wrong, if mods don't agree you're out [2014-12-06 2:20:21] Redslash: FastForce logo reminds me of this char: 乖 ~ [2014-12-06 3:48:08] Redslash: I watched Evilash's Chrono Cross run last night, interesting I gotta say... might be the next thing I check out [2014-12-07 16:54:54] ElGranJerry: Me toooo [2014-12-07 16:55:41] ElGranJerry: I am getting a new laptop soon so I will be able to play it [2014-12-07 16:58:30] Redslash: Oh dang~ [2014-12-07 16:58:57] Redslash: Good luck on your run in a minute =) [2014-12-07 16:59:19] SnesWarrior: Yeah good luck man, knockem dead [2014-12-07 16:59:28] ElGranJerry: :D [2014-12-07 16:59:33] ElGranJerry: Thx [2014-12-07 16:59:36] ElGranJerry: About to start [2014-12-07 16:59:44] Ottavino: Good luck Jerry! [2014-12-07 17:00:58] ElGranJerry: Thx [2014-12-07 17:01:03] DrunkenDraconian: Giver!! [2014-12-07 17:01:06] ElGranJerry: <3 [2014-12-07 21:31:04] eLmaGus: good job jerry [2014-12-07 21:48:25] ElGranJerry: Thx [2014-12-07 21:48:40] eLmaGus: i managed to catch the last 5 minutes [2014-12-07 21:48:42] eLmaGus: hehe [2014-12-07 21:49:03] ElGranJerry: Haha nice [2014-12-07 21:49:09] ElGranJerry: My chokes at the end [2014-12-07 21:49:26] ElGranJerry: Need to learn to balance chat + explaining + run a bit better. [2014-12-07 21:49:39] ElGranJerry: But I was happy with the run overall [2014-12-07 21:50:31] ElGranJerry: Sub 3:10 for Scrubathon hopefully ;D [2014-12-07 21:51:10] eLmaGus: well you can focus a little more since i will be commentating the race aswell [2014-12-07 21:52:39] ElGranJerry: Sweet. [2014-12-07 21:52:55] ElGranJerry: I actually messed up masa for not changing back to BS1 lol [2014-12-07 21:53:09] ElGranJerry: After that I lost focus for a bit [2014-12-07 21:53:20] ElGranJerry: Safe strats fail haha [2014-12-07 21:53:25] eLmaGus: hah yeah [2014-12-07 21:57:03] ElGranJerry: But yeah, hyped for scrubathon. Gonna be a good one [2014-12-07 21:57:17] ElGranJerry: Any help you might need just tell me [2014-12-07 21:57:17] eLmaGus: yeah COMMENTARY SPOTS ARE STILL OPEN [2014-12-07 21:57:25] eLmaGus: thanks man [2014-12-07 21:57:32] eLmaGus: im currently working stuff out [2014-12-07 21:58:48] ElGranJerry: Sweeet [2014-12-09 1:49:05] Redslash: EvilAsh 3 min from WR now, awesome that CC can still be worked on a lot [2014-12-09 7:28:43] SnesWarrior: Yeah, from what I read stat RNG and RNG in general are pretty heavy in that game. Having backup strats for when your characters don't have enough stats to pull of your normal strats seems interesting [2014-12-09 12:16:37] Redslash: Yep, it's kinda neat how random CC is compared to CT, I mean you even fight using percentages, hehe... miss an opening move on a boss, gotta retry [2014-12-09 12:17:23] Redslash: More than that, avoiding encounters on long narrow paths looks extremely troll [2014-12-09 17:26:45] ElGranJerry: Sounds like fun [2014-12-09 17:26:58] ElGranJerry: Need to play it casually first but I want to run it [2014-12-09 17:27:02] ElGranJerry: Game looks fun [2014-12-09 22:45:37] eLmaGus: i have a sealed copy of CC [2014-12-09 22:45:41] eLmaGus: i dont want to break that [2014-12-09 22:45:46] eLmaGus: it must be worth millions [2014-12-09 22:45:58] eLmaGus: also Redslash when is CT JP, people have been asking about JP runs a lot lately [2014-12-09 23:11:21] Redslash: I want a decent En time first, so I'm saying 2015... but yeah, gotta get on it [2014-12-09 23:11:57] eLmaGus: nice [2014-12-09 23:12:05] eLmaGus: i redirected a couple of people to your twitch [2014-12-09 23:12:10] eLmaGus: so you better get on it :P [2014-12-09 23:15:55] Redslash: Right on X) [2014-12-09 23:17:50] Redslash: I still have this idea I wanna steam Mon/Wed at least... but then Monday was Chrono Cross, lol [2014-12-09 23:18:32] eLmaGus: i hate when that happens [2014-12-09 23:18:38] eLmaGus: when you want to stream and something good is going on [2014-12-09 23:29:32] Redslash: For sure, especially if I'm streaming something fairly long, it's a commitment [2014-12-09 23:29:52] Redslash: That's why I gotta trick myself by playing Donkey, hehe [2014-12-09 23:29:57] eLmaGus: thats why i like getting up early at my time [2014-12-09 23:30:04] eLmaGus: there are a lot of runs going on when i wake up [2014-12-09 23:30:13] eLmaGus: and then nobody is streaming at around 11AM my time so i can just go [2014-12-09 23:44:54] Redslash: Right on. I do find it encouraging when people are all grinding stuff out at the same time [2014-12-09 23:45:18] Redslash: I tend to get a lot of work done when that's happening, since I'm not really a chatter [2014-12-09 23:46:33] Redslash: But then they stream something new and I get absorbed [2014-12-09 23:46:51] eLmaGus: hehe [2014-12-09 23:52:56] Redslash: Anyway, yo, good luck with the kick off of Scrubathon tomorrow [2014-12-09 23:53:07] Redslash: Er, tomorrow for me... it's in 4 hours? [2014-12-09 23:53:26] eLmaGus: yeah in 4 hours [2014-12-09 23:53:30] eLmaGus: its gonna be fun : D [2014-12-10 0:14:08] SnesWarrior: Good luck with it man! Looking forward to watching it! [2014-12-10 0:14:22] eLmaGus: hehe same [2014-12-11 8:58:33] eLmaGus: reminder that CT is coming up in 3 and a half hours at Scrubathon if you want to snag a commentary spot you are welcome [2014-12-11 16:58:30] Redslash: That was indeed excellent, really enjoyed the commentary [2014-12-11 17:16:16 | Edited 17:18:38] Redslash: Seems like each Ozzie pit always has the same warp position, let me know if you get different results http://imgur.com/4wQzxQc [2014-12-11 17:16:42] DrunkenDraconian: baller [2014-12-11 17:33:42] ElGranJerry: Oh damn. Sexy!!! [2014-12-11 17:34:18] Redslash: Hehe hold on, decided to go with arrows.. [2014-12-11 17:34:55] Redslash: ~ http://imgur.com/tq12s1m [2014-12-11 17:36:39] Redslash: So yeah, they pretty much go clockwise [2014-12-11 17:39:42] ElGranJerry: Damn dude. Thats amazing [2014-12-11 17:40:03] ElGranJerry: Bye bye "rng" [2014-12-11 17:40:44] DrunkenDraconian: I think yuo reset if you fall most times Keepo [2014-12-11 17:41:13] ElGranJerry: Yeah. But great for a marathon [2014-12-11 17:41:15] Redslash: Yeah, I don't think any map can add/move transition blocks, always static. Pretty sure each EoT pillar layout is a completely new map (the bucket hitboxes actually differ, lol) [2014-12-11 17:42:50] DrunkenDraconian: cool [2014-12-11 17:43:14] ElGranJerry: Sweeet [2014-12-11 17:54:06 | Edited 18:07:42] Redslash: Oh also, started looking into watching timer for Alkalines... the Yakra and Reverse Bird reloads are an obstacle, since the total frames from saving to resetting to loading needs to be very controlled [2014-12-11 17:54:39] Redslash: On E, Reverse Bird would need to be cut out. On J it's required, but at least it's a mash [2014-12-11 17:59:54] Redslash: (Since goal is to get in a 1/5 second *gametime* window, just to refresh on that~) [2014-12-11 18:08:55] ElGranJerry: Oh wow. I will be sad to se reverse TC gone. But 5 greens is worth it [2014-12-11 18:09:16] ElGranJerry: Frame counting for sub 3 has started :O [2014-12-11 18:15:50] DrunkenDraconian: So there is no save load setup from that savepoint once you know the frame you are looking for? [2014-12-11 18:18:46] Redslash: Nope, pulls the frame count directly off the game clock (saving doesn't truncate it or anything) [2014-12-11 18:19:07] DrunkenDraconian: hard reset? [2014-12-11 18:19:15] DrunkenDraconian: sorry emu [2014-12-11 18:19:53] DrunkenDraconian: oh wait, i see [2014-12-11 18:23:03] Redslash: Ooh also... make sure to never pause [2014-12-11 18:25:56] Redslash: Boy, we need to be really careful of any lag whatsoever... can we really do this, lol... [2014-12-11 18:27:33] ElGranJerry: Yes we can!!! [2014-12-11 18:27:35] Redslash: But, yes, if we can get to a savepoint within seconds of the minute rolling over, we actually could get back on track that way [2014-12-11 18:27:52] Redslash: That might be the most realistic [2014-12-11 18:30:13] Redslash: When I played with that idea before, I was thinking in terms of frame-perfect, but a 12-frame window probably isn't awful for it.. [2014-12-11 18:35:03] Redslash: No you could just close the menu once you see it roll over, don't need a savepoint..! Suddenly this is really simple... [2014-12-11 18:36:03] ElGranJerry: I dont understand it yet. But 12 frames seems nice [2014-12-11 18:42:52] Redslash: The idea might be to be watching your run timer, and do your Future equip/controls at the right moment where you can sit a few seconds to watch the clock roll over. Probably start a new timer at that instant =P [2014-12-11 18:44:12] Redslash: And then use that 2nd timer to enter the Alkaline room [2014-12-11 18:45:28] ElGranJerry: Oooh damn [2014-12-11 18:45:52] ElGranJerry: So the shelter on factory is off the table? [2014-12-11 18:46:10] ElGranJerry: Or does that not change it [2014-12-11 18:53:05] Redslash: Wouldn't change it. You don't need to be frame perfect or anything, the 1/5 second window comes every second [2014-12-11 19:01:32] Redslash: If only more environment things indicated gametime... [2014-12-11 19:34:56] DrunkenDraconian: so is this a window for 5 greens or a windown for 4-5 greens? [2014-12-11 19:42:12] Redslash: The sequence goes 4 4 4 3 2 2 3 3 4 5 4 4... so some bad ones mixed in, but this's where all the 4s are at [2014-12-11 19:46:42] Redslash: We'd prob want to script all of these (only 8 patterns)... and I dunno, could be better off just scripting the most common patterns instead X) [2014-12-11 19:48:11] ElGranJerry: I am up for scripting those fights [2014-12-11 19:48:19] ElGranJerry: Sub 3 or riot [2014-12-11 21:08:27] Redslash: Aye aye! [2014-12-11 21:10:31] Redslash: Meanwhile Masa's trolling the heck outta me... I think this is the first emu/Snes difference, trying to fight him with <161hp [2014-12-11 21:11:05] ElGranJerry: :O [2014-12-11 21:11:18] Redslash: In the last segment, he goes after Lucca first. It just does not happen on emu [2014-12-11 21:11:29] ElGranJerry: oh wow, thats a new one [2014-12-11 21:11:56] ElGranJerry: why cant he play along? :[ [2014-12-11 21:14:57] Redslash: Ohh hold on a minute... I wasn't paying attn to Lucca's hp, that's probably the issue [2014-12-11 21:20:02] Redslash: Lucca must have more hp than Marle, new knowledge [2014-12-11 21:22:09] ElGranJerry: ooh, interesting [2014-12-12 1:25:52] eLmaGus: i just rewatched the R-Series from yesterday [2014-12-12 1:25:56] eLmaGus: epic is all im gonna say [2014-12-12 1:26:02] eLmaGus: if you watch both fights next to each other [2014-12-12 7:53:04] ElGranJerry: Epic fights for an epic marathon [2014-12-12 7:53:40] ElGranJerry: I still need to watch them side by side :o [2014-12-12 7:53:51] eLmaGus: do that its hilarious [2014-12-12 7:54:45] ElGranJerry: Will do. :D [2014-12-12 13:09:12] Nihil922: who won the race? i left after those amazing r-series fights [2014-12-12 13:21:18] ElGranJerry: Haha. I won [2014-12-12 13:21:34] ElGranJerry: 3:10:02. Jenja got 3:18:20ish [2014-12-12 13:21:56] ElGranJerry: Close race until he fell at Magus Castle [2014-12-12 22:24:31] ElGranJerry: Guys... gonna grind for 4:49:xx in 100% [2014-12-12 22:24:44] ElGranJerry: Thats my new goal :) [2014-12-12 22:25:12] eLmaGus: free [2014-12-12 22:25:18] eLmaGus: 4:39 please [2014-12-12 22:25:39] DrunkenDraconian: 4:30 J LSS [2014-12-12 22:25:40] ElGranJerry: Honestly I saw the route as really solid but... [2014-12-12 22:25:51] ElGranJerry: There are a few thing to ve improved [2014-12-12 22:26:16] ElGranJerry: LSS on 100% is not nexesaary. You dont fight the shell lmao [2014-12-12 22:27:12] ElGranJerry: But first we need to make sub 3 any% happen [2014-12-12 22:27:21] ElGranJerry: It can be done [2014-12-12 23:54:48] ElGranJerry: I got a minor time saver lined up for any% ;) [2014-12-12 23:54:55] ElGranJerry: New BT fight [2014-12-12 23:55:10] ElGranJerry: Still needs testing though [2014-12-12 23:55:19] eLmaGus: once im done with FFT and ACTUALLY the postal service delivers my cart [2014-12-12 23:55:26] eLmaGus: i will go ham on CT [2014-12-12 23:55:47] ElGranJerry: I know you will bop my time [2014-12-12 23:55:54] ElGranJerry: I believe in 3:00 [2014-12-12 23:56:20] eLmaGus: 3:00:5x is very possible for me [2014-12-12 23:56:31] eLmaGus: will have to do lots of practice and grinding for 2:59:5x [2014-12-12 23:56:44] ElGranJerry: Same ^ [2014-12-12 23:56:55] ElGranJerry: Will require me doing VC or SNES [2014-12-12 23:56:59] eLmaGus: shoutouts to the slimes [2014-12-12 23:57:16] eLmaGus: aSSid [2014-12-12 23:57:37] ElGranJerry: Dude Redslash has had some great ideas. I dont understand them so well [2014-12-12 23:57:59] eLmaGus: the thing is you basically have to be TAS more or less [2014-12-12 23:58:02] ElGranJerry: But manipulating 5 greens might be in the works [2014-12-12 23:58:10] eLmaGus: its possible for sure [2014-12-12 23:58:13] eLmaGus: but man [2014-12-12 23:58:20] eLmaGus: you have to be so precise [2014-12-12 23:58:54] ElGranJerry: For sure. Menus have to be exact [2014-12-12 23:59:25] ElGranJerry: I will leave that to Red. If I can understand it I am up for testing [2014-12-12 23:59:48] eLmaGus: im sure as hell not going to reset if i miss a menu :D [2014-12-12 23:59:56] ElGranJerry: I believe manip will.be real soon [2014-12-13 0:00:02] ElGranJerry: For slimes [2014-12-13 0:00:34] ElGranJerry: I will reset for sure. I am up for getting the god run [2014-12-13 0:01:08] ElGranJerry: Sub 3 or riot man [2014-12-13 0:01:49] eLmaGus: well to be fair [2014-12-13 0:01:52] ElGranJerry: I've been -25 after DT on Wr with 45s lost on Magus... It will happen [2014-12-13 0:01:54] eLmaGus: if you are playing really really well [2014-12-13 0:02:02] eLmaGus: you dont need "perfect" slimes for sub 3 [2014-12-13 0:02:03] eLmaGus: i think [2014-12-13 0:02:38] ElGranJerry: Hmmmmm atm I think we do [2014-12-13 0:02:49] ElGranJerry: But I might be wrong [2014-12-13 0:03:04] eLmaGus: with absolute perfect play i would crush every Best Segment of mine [2014-12-13 0:03:15] eLmaGus: and i am already at 3:00:5x for them [2014-12-13 0:03:58] ElGranJerry: 50s is a lot though... [2014-12-13 0:04:15] eLmaGus: it is [2014-12-13 0:04:31] eLmaGus: but still very possible [2014-12-13 0:04:32] ElGranJerry: I trust we can do it [2014-12-13 0:04:56] ElGranJerry: Either you, red, otta, sw, obda [2014-12-13 0:05:00] ElGranJerry: It will happen man [2014-12-13 0:05:14] ElGranJerry: Jenja, nihil [2014-12-13 0:05:37] ElGranJerry: And before summer.next year [2014-12-13 0:06:01] eLmaGus: confident it will ahppen in the first 3 months of 2015 [2014-12-13 0:08:33] ElGranJerry: :O [2014-12-13 0:08:37] ElGranJerry: Hopefully man [2014-12-13 0:08:52] ElGranJerry: I will keep on it for sure [2014-12-13 0:09:31] ElGranJerry: This last few.months have been so much fun :D [2014-12-13 4:52:34 | Edited 4:57:03] Redslash: http://www.twitch.tv/joniidx casual blind playthrough on J and breaking the vocab down, this is great =0 [2014-12-13 4:54:15] Redslash: I've considered doing this with an FF game or something to test my ability, love his display thing too [2014-12-13 8:16:42] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, hist stream setup seems nice, I wish I had any foundation in J so I could follow it [2014-12-13 11:07:32] ElGranJerry: We still have our blind J race pending [2014-12-13 11:07:45] eLmaGus: blindfold PogChamp [2014-12-13 11:07:51] ElGranJerry: Thats gonna be gut [2014-12-13 11:08:11] ElGranJerry: Hahaha. Blindfolded CT? Ezpz [2014-12-13 11:08:20] eLmaGus: right? [2014-12-13 11:09:05] ElGranJerry: Yup [2014-12-13 11:09:32] DrunkenDraconian: I will put up a 100$ prize to anyone who does it [2014-12-13 11:09:51] eLmaGus: you can put up a million [2014-12-13 11:09:56] eLmaGus: then i will start thinking about it [2014-12-13 11:10:16] ElGranJerry: Lmao [2014-12-13 11:10:26] DrunkenDraconian: * prize paid in hugs only, redeemable on your birthday only [2014-12-13 11:10:34] eLmaGus: nice one [2014-12-13 11:10:40] eLmaGus: i might actually try blindfold yakra at some point [2014-12-13 11:10:46] eLmaGus: for shits and giggles [2014-12-13 11:11:06] ElGranJerry: :o sounds good [2014-12-13 11:11:15] eLmaGus: should be possible [2014-12-13 11:11:33] eLmaGus: at least getting through and getting yakra skip [2014-12-13 11:11:34] ElGranJerry: Yup [2014-12-13 11:11:50] eLmaGus: not RNG manip, that would be a bit too much [2014-12-13 11:12:00] DrunkenDraconian: i'd just fight yackra [2014-12-13 11:12:18] eLmaGus: if you get into the hench fight you can easily go from there [2014-12-13 11:12:20] eLmaGus: before the door [2014-12-13 11:12:27] eLmaGus: and you can save [2014-12-13 11:12:33] eLmaGus: so it should be very possible [2014-12-13 11:13:48] ElGranJerry: Yeah. Just gotta know the timing for the SA [2014-12-13 11:14:05] ElGranJerry: Bird skip blindfolded :O [2014-12-13 11:14:05] eLmaGus: yeah do something like once music kicks in hold up and "1 2 3 menu" [2014-12-13 11:15:13] ElGranJerry: ^ [2014-12-13 15:51:36] ElGranJerry: I didnt know fighting the bridge again softlocked haha [2014-12-13 15:51:43] ElGranJerry: honest mistake there [2014-12-13 16:33:59] Redslash: Lol... yeah, it's too bad [2014-12-14 0:49:49 | Edited 0:51:34] Redslash: If anyone does end up doing BS1 on Tyrano, switching out Lucca before Zeal saves 3/4 sec of text... might as well capitalize on it, lol [2014-12-14 1:07:44] Redslash: Actually, swap during the Swallow fadeout eh? [2014-12-14 1:25:45] Redslash: Slurpkiss is so strong! 550hp + recover all status... I smell an LSS backup =P [2014-12-14 1:32:04] Redslash: Except j/k, 230hp without the magic boost... [2014-12-14 1:38:53 | Edited 1:39:19] Redslash: So I guess I actually smell a "didn't kill the Core" backup... [2014-12-14 9:56:34] ElGranJerry: yeah swapping during swallow fadeout is good, I always forget though haha [2014-12-14 16:30:39] ElGranJerry: Idk if it would save any time or if it works but could we Menu before Arris done, equip lode s+b, berserker, SHELTER and change controls to skip the need of menuing in factory [2014-12-14 16:42:17] Redslash: Hmm, wouldn't save a menu... I thought sheltering on the world map could be faster, but you have to let time pass in the 3-slime room anyway~ [2014-12-14 18:08:11] ElGranJerry: I see.. [2014-12-15 3:55:33] eLmaGus: "ElGranJerry is now following you on twitch" dont think i missed that [2014-12-15 3:55:38] eLmaGus: :D [2014-12-15 4:03:22] Redslash: Ha! If you get one from me, it's a sign I drifted off while watching you [2014-12-15 4:03:46] eLmaGus: nope you are good [2014-12-15 4:03:50] eLmaGus: you are still following [2014-12-15 4:03:59] eLmaGus: :D [2014-12-15 4:04:37] Redslash: Since mobile Twitch doesn't ask for confirmation if you accidentally touch Unfollow... done it plenty of times X) [2014-12-15 4:04:51] eLmaGus: hehehe [2014-12-15 4:10:49] Redslash: =) [2014-12-15 8:45:04] ElGranJerry: Yeah I unfollowed accidentaly on my ipad lol [2014-12-15 8:45:15] ElGranJerry: So easy to misclick [2014-12-15 16:54:25] Redslash: You know, I'm not too sure folks really appreciate Robo has a move called "Rocketroll"... [2014-12-15 16:56:23] DrunkenDraconian: I appreciate Robo and how he rolls [2014-12-15 16:57:03] ElGranJerry: I appreciate rocketroll, not robo [2014-12-15 16:58:03] Redslash: I mean, relating to the "Roboroll" phenomenon [2014-12-15 16:58:18] ElGranJerry: ooooh [2014-12-15 16:59:12] ElGranJerry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ [2014-12-15 16:59:39] DrunkenDraconian: i have drums in my head, nice one Red Keepo [2014-12-15 17:01:16] Redslash: Lol just saying, it's a better name... even has "troll" hidden in there [2014-12-15 17:13:07] Redslash: Normally when drums go over my head I can find a video or something... no luck... [2014-12-15 19:29:11] Redslash: What if... learning Life2/Lifeline was faster than doing the whole Greendream quest... right now 100% reaches final Shell a minute before any% does... [2014-12-15 19:30:03] Redslash: Lol, I haven't confirmed yet that Lifeline works, but that'd be something... [2014-12-15 19:34:11] Redslash: Er, I guess you'd have only 3-4 minutes to grind for it (length of Shell fight) [2014-12-15 21:05:10] ElGranJerry: Lifeline strats :O . Would be cool if it did become to be faster [2014-12-15 21:05:56] ElGranJerry: Does someone have a savestate like outside of Magus Castle or closeby? I want to start practicing 100% but I cant get myself into grinding there lol [2014-12-15 21:06:07] ElGranJerry: I miss my savestates ;( [2014-12-15 21:16:51] Redslash: I think I use a different emu... maybe grab the save off Otta's smv? https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwTnRLZzVkbWZwdVE/edit [2014-12-15 21:17:29] ElGranJerry: oh yeah, will do that [2014-12-15 21:17:31] ElGranJerry: thx [2014-12-15 21:25:58] Redslash: It'd be fun to make a nice state compilation to share... but for now, all my states have switched controls (which is a bit nonsensical for playing on keyboard, lol) [2014-12-15 21:46:14] Redslash: I guess that's what theory TAS is for [2014-12-15 22:17:48] ElGranJerry: yeah [2014-12-15 22:17:58] ElGranJerry: sub 3 ezpz [2014-12-15 22:39:00] Redslash: I'm working on it now, got through Cathedral [2014-12-15 22:43:15] ElGranJerry: >O [2014-12-15 22:43:25] ElGranJerry: niceee [2014-12-15 23:16:44 | Edited 23:20:09] Redslash: 15:16 Yakra? Playing it back, it looks human, even noticeable mistakes... but I probably shouldn't be turboing through text (maybe ~3 seconds just from 120 textboxes) [2014-12-16 8:11:53] ElGranJerry: 15:16???? wow [2014-12-16 8:12:11] ElGranJerry: split on fadeout ? [2014-12-16 8:12:39] ElGranJerry: I cant even get sub 15:40, but its definitively possible, prolly 15:35 as well [2014-12-16 8:30:57] SnesWarrior: One thing I would suggest for a theory-TAS is definitely all human inputs. You have unlimited rerecords so you can still make them very fast. I wouldn't use frame advancement at all either. It's ok for some areas to not be "the fastest" because your attempting to assess how fast somebody could do it if they didn't make any mistakes, not if they didn't make mistakes plus did everything as fast as humanly possible. Only reason I say that is... us humans have the potential to do things at a TAS level. But that doesn't mean its going to happen for 3 hours. And a theory-TAS is suppose to be more of a "realistic" TAS. [2014-12-16 10:40:22] eLmaGus: i have savestates for all game pretty much for Snes9x 1.53 if they are needed [2014-12-16 12:22:05] ElGranJerry: I could use some please. The ones on route.smv start after Magus castle and have TP a lil messed up [2014-12-16 12:24:00] eLmaGus: gimme a sec i will zip them [2014-12-16 12:24:18] ElGranJerry: Thanks Magus :) [2014-12-16 12:25:03] *** *** [2014-12-16 12:25:08] eLmaGus: lol i still had them zipped [2014-12-16 12:25:17] eLmaGus: i forgot that i send them to jenja [2014-12-16 12:26:44] ElGranJerry: thanks :) (heart) [2014-12-16 12:26:59] eLmaGus: they are labeled in the txt i added [2014-12-16 12:27:07] eLmaGus: because you cant name them in Snes9x : ( [2014-12-16 12:27:34] ElGranJerry: ok, cool. Yeah that sucks [2014-12-16 12:28:55] eLmaGus: i kind of want to switch to bizhawk for practice at least [2014-12-16 12:28:59] eLmaGus: but im a lazy person [2014-12-16 15:43:33] Redslash: I play at reduced speed at times, just because I don't want do it over a bunch, and I'm learning a lot of subtle movement things that way. I don't think the result is unrealistic, with enough practice. [2014-12-16 15:49:01] Redslash: I'm gonna keep turboing text since it's the only controlled way plus I can fastforward through them, but I'll keep a count. I would say average of +2 frames per textbox is what humans are capable of [2014-12-16 15:49:34] DrunkenDraconian: we should just use turbo [2014-12-16 15:50:29] DrunkenDraconian: "fight the powa" [2014-12-16 15:55:48] Redslash: It would def be nice at times... but... at the right firing rate, certain dumb tricks like LSS would be made trivial X) [2014-12-16 15:56:24] ElGranJerry: I enjoy the mashing part of the game, would hate just to hold A all the way [2014-12-16 15:56:47] ElGranJerry: or put a coin on top of the button and leave [2014-12-16 15:58:21] Redslash: The old turbo controller I have does "auto", just switch it on =P [2014-12-16 16:05:09] ElGranJerry: :O [2014-12-16 16:05:36] ElGranJerry: that would be nice for some games [2014-12-16 16:05:47] ElGranJerry: skip boring parts [2014-12-16 16:07:00] eLmaGus: i dont like turbo [2014-12-16 16:07:06] eLmaGus: either you play the game or you dont [2014-12-16 16:07:21] eLmaGus: if you let technology play for you eh [2014-12-16 16:08:25] ElGranJerry: I could finally beat boshy with turbo, that would be my only use [2014-12-16 16:10:36] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, in all honesty turbo has no set standards so on a comparison level it is just plain wrong, unless a standard turbo can be agreed on. [2014-12-16 16:10:45] DrunkenDraconian: I'd just like to save my controllers [2014-12-16 16:11:00] eLmaGus: you will never be able to save your controllers [2014-12-16 16:11:04] eLmaGus: even turbo controllers will die [2014-12-16 16:11:06] eLmaGus: : > [2014-12-16 16:11:31] DrunkenDraconian: luke meme-"that's impossibkle" [2014-12-16 16:12:58] ElGranJerry: my logitech controller will live forever [2014-12-17 0:22:07] Redslash: Dang, can't see a pattern for the guards... 1st one changes direction every 24-72 frames, 2nd one every 48-96 frames, from what I can tell [2014-12-17 2:50:29] eLmaGus: RNG hell [2014-12-17 2:51:06] eLmaGus: not only is the direction random but the framenumber on where they change (facepalm) why game [2014-12-17 3:07:58] Redslash: Yeah... I'll come back to it, I watched ~6000 frames... [2014-12-17 3:10:34] Redslash: I have a possible way to compensate for my turbo textboxes... found a bunch of translation patches, we gonna see which language gives us enough extra characters Kappa [2014-12-17 3:13:27] Redslash: For real tho I just want an excuse to play in French (crossing my fingers) [2014-12-17 16:01:26] ElGranJerry: 1:53:24 Magus [2014-12-17 16:01:30] ElGranJerry: what? [2014-12-17 16:01:41] ElGranJerry: 1:52 is definitively possible [2014-12-17 19:27:35] ElGranJerry: hmm low 1:52 Magus would be more like a really good start plus good rng, just rewatched most of my vod [2014-12-17 19:28:30] ElGranJerry: 25s lost on acid, 5 on not guilty. 5s on unequips at yakra, 20s at heckran... [2014-12-18 1:06:24] Redslash: CC WR 7:36 by EvilAsh, amazing stuff [2014-12-19 7:12:04] eLmaGus: i wanna play CC so bad but i have a sealed copy [2014-12-19 7:12:07] eLmaGus: its a dilemma [2014-12-19 7:12:12] eLmaGus: i dont want to open it up : ( [2014-12-19 8:36:13] eLmaGus: small reminder here aswell that we need to put Fast Force and Scrubathon Marathon runs on the Wiki at some point : ) [2014-12-19 11:34:35] ElGranJerry: fast force run was sooooo bad haha, lets put it in at the end and put a [bad] mark on it [2014-12-19 13:01:30] eLmaGus: no that wont work im sorry [2014-12-19 13:01:38] eLmaGus: we need it at the top in caps please [2014-12-19 14:55:19] eLmaGus: bombch.us/t-R <- this got published by rinimt the other day, Neerrm and I will try to spread the word and host people that are doing runs that support this at all times. we got a small banner for the cause aswell http://i.imgur.com/tidPKtm.png, there is a small list of people that want to help and/or support us and get on the host train: bombch.us/uC3 (Message me or Neerrm and we will add you) [2014-12-19 15:59:24] ElGranJerry: I'd help. Could plug the link on my stream tonight [2014-12-19 15:59:42] ElGranJerry: Will be my last stream before vacations [2014-12-19 15:59:49] eLmaGus: sweet! [2014-12-19 15:59:54] eLmaGus: when will you stream [2014-12-19 15:59:57] eLmaGus: aproximatley [2014-12-19 16:02:36] ElGranJerry: I am still waiting for the taxi to get home. 1-2 hours at the latest [2014-12-19 16:03:17] ElGranJerry: Will be streaming for 4-5 hours at least today [2014-12-19 16:03:30] ElGranJerry: Need that 3:01 [2014-12-24 15:12:49] Ottavino: I'm drunk, but I wish you a merry Christmas!! Sub 3 maybe next year! Chrono ftw! [2014-12-24 15:18:40] SnesWarrior: Hahaha! Cheers Ottavino!!! I'm working my way towards that state of mind myself ^_- Merry christmas!! Also, I should have a SoM cart waiting to be unwrapped in the morning. See you on that battlefield in 2015 hopefully =) [2014-12-24 15:20:02] DrunkenDraconian: Happy feast of Alvin to all [2014-12-24 15:30:37] ElGranJerry: Haha, merry christmas to you guys as well, or happy holidays if you dont celebrate it [2014-12-24 15:31:20] ElGranJerry: Sub 3 will happen [2014-12-25 16:36:47] ElGranJerry: Yo Ottavino, is there a trick for the 2 battle skips at the end of the Ocean Palace? [2014-12-25 16:37:00] ElGranJerry: cant seem to get them consistently [2014-12-25 16:57:31 | Edited 16:59:23] Ottavino: after activating the switch, walk down instead of running [2014-12-25 17:03:36] ElGranJerry: oooh, thats nice. Thanks man [2014-12-25 17:03:48] ElGranJerry: I seem to be getting it about 50% now, just gotta grind it for a while [2014-12-26 21:18:26] ElGranJerry: So I was watching Ottas run, comparing with stuff and I think 100% might be able to go down to around 4:45-4:47 atm [2014-12-26 21:18:42] eLmaGus: sub 4:40 easy [2014-12-26 21:19:15] ElGranJerry: haha, that would be amazing [2014-12-26 21:19:23] eLmaGus: *it is going to be amazing [2014-12-26 21:19:41] eLmaGus: it will take until summer next year [2014-12-26 21:19:44] eLmaGus: but its gonna happen [2014-12-26 21:19:54] eLmaGus: one of us will practice enough [2014-12-26 21:21:21] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-12-26 21:21:54] ElGranJerry: Sub 3 and sub 5:40. Lets go [2014-12-26 21:22:00] ElGranJerry: 4:40 [2014-12-26 21:22:01] ElGranJerry: lmao [2014-12-29 21:54:14] ElGranJerry: We don't talk to plant lady in 100%??? [2014-12-29 21:54:18] ElGranJerry: or am I missing something [2014-12-29 21:54:53] Redslash: Talk to her on 2nd visit, iirc [2014-12-29 21:54:55] eLmaGus: iirc its faster after zeal gets owned [2014-12-29 21:55:03] eLmaGus: because its not that far out of the wy [2014-12-29 21:55:03] ElGranJerry: aaaah [2014-12-29 21:55:07] ElGranJerry: i'm dumb [2014-12-29 21:55:11] ElGranJerry: makes sense [2014-12-29 21:55:15] ElGranJerry: thanks [2014-12-29 21:55:36] ElGranJerry: currently watching the run before I start practicing some more [2014-12-29 22:04:23] Redslash: 2015 is pretty enjoyable so far [2014-12-29 22:04:43] eLmaGus: what [2014-12-29 22:04:50] eLmaGus: the hell [2014-12-29 22:04:53] eLmaGus: did i sleep 3 days [2014-12-29 22:06:03] Redslash: Lol... I just feel like the "speedrun year" always starts early =) [2014-12-29 22:06:19] eLmaGus: oh [2014-12-29 22:06:20] eLmaGus: HEH [2014-12-29 22:06:21] ElGranJerry: haha, oh yeah [2014-12-29 22:06:27] eLmaGus: true though [2014-12-29 22:06:35] eLmaGus: i finished everything i wanted to do in 2014 2 days ago [2014-12-29 22:06:52] ElGranJerry: sweet! Congrats [2014-12-29 22:06:59] ElGranJerry: I failed in my only 2014 goal [2014-12-29 22:07:19] eLmaGus: : > [2014-12-29 22:07:30] eLmaGus: coincidentally thats my first goal for 2015 [2014-12-29 22:07:45] ElGranJerry: sub 3? PogChamp [2014-12-29 22:07:49] eLmaGus: yes [2014-12-29 22:07:56] eLmaGus: i have 3 projects 2015 [2014-12-29 22:08:00] eLmaGus: for the first 3 months [2014-12-29 22:08:12] Redslash: Awesome [2014-12-29 22:08:14] eLmaGus: any% sub 3, 100% learn and routing another game [2014-12-29 22:08:20] eLmaGus: oh and live life i suppose [2014-12-29 22:08:21] eLmaGus: KAPPA [2014-12-29 22:08:36] ElGranJerry: whats that live life? [2014-12-29 22:08:39] ElGranJerry: Never heard of that game [2014-12-29 22:08:53] ElGranJerry: no kapparoni [2014-12-29 22:09:04] eLmaGus: no i literally meant live my life [2014-12-29 22:09:07] eLmaGus: : > [2014-12-29 22:09:18] ElGranJerry: oh, haha [2014-12-29 22:09:51] Redslash: Speed Life [2014-12-29 22:10:12] eLmaGus: nah man [2014-12-29 22:10:17] eLmaGus: life is everything but a speedrun [2014-12-29 22:10:21] eLmaGus: gotta enjoy every moment [2014-12-29 22:10:50] ElGranJerry: amen [2014-12-29 22:11:16] ElGranJerry: Do you guys know why otta saved and reset before trying the 1st skip in earthbound village? [2014-12-29 22:11:31] eLmaGus: good question [2014-12-29 22:11:37] eLmaGus: maybe a setup thing [2014-12-29 22:11:39] eLmaGus: that works for him [2014-12-29 22:11:42] eLmaGus: to get the skip [2014-12-29 22:11:42] ElGranJerry: maybe it sets up the release B [2014-12-29 22:11:50] ElGranJerry: something like that [2014-12-29 22:11:56] eLmaGus: i know exactly what you are talking about i was wondering about that too [2014-12-29 22:12:19] Redslash: Oh yah, those are release B... let's see if wrote this down... [2014-12-29 22:12:45] eLmaGus: time to find setups for no reloaderino [2014-12-29 22:12:54] eLmaGus: save the frames [2014-12-29 22:13:12] Redslash: Prob could [2014-12-29 22:13:14] ElGranJerry: yeah, I will probably spend most of my time today there [2014-12-29 22:13:45] ElGranJerry: I loved how Otta got the mud imp fight skip so easily [2014-12-29 22:13:49] ElGranJerry: that diagonal running [2014-12-29 22:14:43] Redslash: Yup, they take a lot of practice, very impressive sequence there [2014-12-29 22:16:15] Redslash: Just learning through Ocean Palace felt pretty fulfilling, lol... [2014-12-29 22:16:26] ElGranJerry: oh boy [2014-12-29 22:16:35] ElGranJerry: that will be fun fun fun [2014-12-29 22:16:39] eLmaGus: im hype for ocean palace [2014-12-29 22:16:40] eLmaGus: not gonna lie [2014-12-29 22:16:47] ElGranJerry: me too [2014-12-29 22:18:10] Redslash: Oh yeah... don't sell Plasmagun in 100%... [2014-12-29 22:18:15] ElGranJerry: gonna close skype -_- [2014-12-29 22:18:20] ElGranJerry: Yeah, I read that [2014-12-29 22:18:40] Redslash: Ok, catch ya later dude [2014-12-29 22:18:58] ElGranJerry: my net is pretty bad here, i cant stream with anything open rofl [2014-12-29 22:26:38] Ottavino: Yeah in earthbound village, I found this setup with one release B [2014-12-30 0:31:19] Redslash: Added bright load for Golem Twins (in case of missing both skips) [2014-12-30 0:31:28] Redslash: I haven't gotten past Geno Dome yet =) [2014-12-30 21:56:17] ElGranJerry: I might have found a consistent setup for the 1st skip in earth village? [2014-12-30 21:56:24] ElGranJerry: Will make a video [2014-12-30 22:15:42] ElGranJerry: meh, obs doesnt record for some reason [2014-12-30 22:15:47] ElGranJerry: lame [2014-12-31 0:56:23] Redslash: Ahh, so Ocean Palace elixir was just to sell, and we don't need that anymore [2014-12-31 0:56:51] eLmaGus: well [2014-12-31 0:56:58] eLmaGus: i dont know where you get the other elixirs [2014-12-31 0:57:02] eLmaGus: but since this one is one theway [2014-12-31 0:57:05] eLmaGus: you might aswell grab it? [2014-12-31 0:57:07] eLmaGus: i suppose [2014-12-31 1:03:39] Redslash: That's true. The others picked up are Sunken Desert, 2 in Guardia basement. [2014-12-31 1:04:02] Redslash: Could skip all 3 of those, since Lavos Spawns and Tubster drop the rest [2014-12-31 1:05:56] Redslash: And I guess route notes reflected that, I wondered if they were just missing =) [2014-12-31 1:06:31] eLmaGus: i see [2014-12-31 1:08:33] Redslash: I'm excited for... Black Omen RNG elevators [2014-12-31 1:13:33] Redslash: Good dungeon in general [2014-12-31 1:14:44 | Edited 1:17:44] Redslash: Instead of buying Megablast, de-equip Airgun...? [2014-12-31 10:45:48] ElGranJerry: Interesting. Worth it to check the money route and how many items to buy before Black Bird, maybe it can be skipped completely? [2014-12-31 10:46:24] eLmaGus: what do you even buy [2014-12-31 10:46:39] eLmaGus: i cant imagine you are short on money at any point [2014-12-31 10:47:38] Ottavino: You need 60k for chrono clone [2014-12-31 10:47:48] ElGranJerry: For the clone [2014-12-31 10:47:54] ElGranJerry: But thats after BB [2014-12-31 10:48:10] ElGranJerry: I think we buy FT? [2014-12-31 10:48:20] eLmaGus: for the clone? [2014-12-31 10:48:21] ElGranJerry: Cant remember really [2014-12-31 10:48:25] eLmaGus: if you are really short on money [2014-12-31 10:48:28] eLmaGus: just do the minigame [2014-12-31 10:48:34] eLmaGus: thats like 20 seconds [2014-12-31 10:48:54] eLmaGus: if you can skip getting stuff it might be worth it anyways [2014-12-31 10:48:55] ElGranJerry: Might as well reset :( [2014-12-31 10:49:00] eLmaGus: yo what no [2014-12-31 10:49:14] eLmaGus: but if you start menuing a lot to save money [2014-12-31 10:49:20] eLmaGus: you might aswell play [2014-12-31 10:49:29] Ottavino: Before the captain skip, money route was precise, but now we keep the jerky [2014-12-31 10:49:47] ElGranJerry: True. Whats the lowest the price can go? [2014-12-31 10:49:59] eLmaGus: i got it for free before [2014-12-31 10:50:07] ElGranJerry: Oh, cool [2014-12-31 10:50:08] eLmaGus: 30k -> 20k -> 10k -> 5k [2014-12-31 10:50:13] eLmaGus: is what ive seen [2014-12-31 10:50:20] Ottavino: It starts at 60k [2014-12-31 10:50:27] eLmaGus: so i dont think you need all that much money [2014-12-31 10:50:38] Ottavino: Drops at 30k after 4 good answers [2014-12-31 10:51:27] Ottavino: Even if it says 30k, it's a typo, you need 60k [2014-12-31 10:52:40] ElGranJerry: I think its 60 if you lose. Even though it says 30 [2014-12-31 10:52:52] eLmaGus: well [2014-12-31 10:53:02] eLmaGus: i think thats because the game assumes you are not going to fail the first input [2014-12-31 10:53:03] eLmaGus: HEH [2014-12-31 10:53:20] ElGranJerry: Most likely lol [2014-12-31 10:53:20] Ottavino: And I just saw that my messages aren't sent [2014-12-31 10:54:02] eLmaGus: when do you get the clone [2014-12-31 10:54:15] eLmaGus: you do a lot of sidequests beforehand anyways dont youß [2014-12-31 10:54:29] ElGranJerry: :( [2014-12-31 10:54:44] ElGranJerry: You do some yup [2014-12-31 10:55:07] eLmaGus: so i dont get how money would ever be a problem [2014-12-31 10:55:18 | Edited 10:56:44] Ottavino: With this route, you need around 28-29k before starting quests [2014-12-31 10:56:34] ElGranJerry: I see. Makes sense [2014-12-31 10:56:41] eLmaGus: but why [2014-12-31 10:56:44] eLmaGus: i dont understand [2014-12-31 10:57:41] Ottavino: Because you need to revive chrono, so you need the clone, and the fastest to get the clone is to lose the minigame [2014-12-31 10:58:58] eLmaGus: doesnt make a lot of sense to worry about money to me still, you can sell stuff at the fair for example [2014-12-31 10:59:46] Redslash: Do you know how many inputs until the clone price decreases? Probably several, huh [2014-12-31 10:59:52] ElGranJerry: Otta said 4 [2014-12-31 11:00:17] ElGranJerry: To get it to 30 [2014-12-31 11:00:33] Redslash: Oh I missed it [2014-12-31 11:00:42] Redslash: Too many then [2014-12-31 11:00:51] Ottavino: 4 or 5, don't remember exactly [2014-12-31 11:01:16] ElGranJerry: Let me write it down. I will be getting there soonish [2014-12-31 11:02:18] ElGranJerry: Might be worth to time it? 4 inputs vs getting + selling stuff for those 30 [2014-12-31 11:02:45] Redslash: Already 1 or 2 is a lot of time, heh [2014-12-31 11:02:48] Ottavino: It's around 15sec [2014-12-31 11:02:55] ElGranJerry: True true [2014-12-31 11:04:32] Redslash: So, when do we give jerky now? Back when we get Hero Medal? [2014-12-31 11:04:54] Ottavino: Yeah I think [2014-12-31 11:05:11] ElGranJerry: That early? :o [2014-12-31 11:05:22] ElGranJerry: Sounds nice [2014-12-31 11:05:27] eLmaGus: its the most convenient [2014-12-31 11:05:38] ElGranJerry: For sure [2014-12-31 11:05:39] eLmaGus: no need to travel back and forth later [2014-12-31 11:05:56] ElGranJerry: Is it on the route atm? Or did I miss it [2014-12-31 11:06:02] Ottavino: Need to see if we get a better moment to get the taban suit [2014-12-31 11:07:28] Ottavino: My new year dinner is on the verge to begin, so Happy new year all! Have fun! [2014-12-31 11:07:53] ElGranJerry: Happy new year man. Enjoy your dinner [2014-12-31 11:07:55] eLmaGus: same to you have a good one! [2014-12-31 11:08:31] Redslash: Happy new year Otta =) [2014-12-31 11:19:36] ElGranJerry: So I am going to modify the route with this [2014-12-31 11:19:40] ElGranJerry: Remove the buy jerky [2014-12-31 11:19:48] ElGranJerry: and switch the give jerky to 600 after hero medal [2014-12-31 11:28:14] Redslash: I guess get Tabansuit after Hero Grave, warp directly to EoT [2014-12-31 11:28:21] Redslash: To test, of course [2014-12-31 11:30:10] eLmaGus: you need Taban Suit for Son of Sun? [2014-12-31 11:31:14] Redslash: Probably, for the Fire res [2014-12-31 11:31:31] eLmaGus: otherwise you could just get it before Yakra [2014-12-31 11:31:39] eLmaGus: but it would make sense to get it for Son of Sun [2014-12-31 19:35:45] ElGranJerry: run attempt with LSS http://www.twitch.tv/cha0stwitch [2014-12-31 22:22:06] Redslash: He freakin did it [2014-12-31 22:41:08] ElGranJerry: What time did he end with??? [2014-12-31 22:41:15] ElGranJerry: I missed it :/ [2014-12-31 22:47:56] Redslash: I think it was 3:45ish [2014-12-31 22:51:57] Redslash: Honestly don't remember, lol. I was like at the store watching when it happened X) [2014-12-31 23:00:14] ElGranJerry: Nicee... I managed to escape from dinner and he almost got it like 5 minutes in [2014-12-31 23:00:22] ElGranJerry: Had to leave after [2014-12-31 23:01:47] Redslash: I can't wait to watch the highlight =3 [2014-12-31 23:18:23] ElGranJerry: :) [2014-12-31 23:19:47] ElGranJerry: Jialora is still going strong in cc [2014-12-31 23:19:53] ElGranJerry: -4 [2015-01-01 2:14:49] eLmaGus: he got a 3:45 Console On - The End [2015-01-01 2:47:44] Redslash: Lol I'm gonna find out if that's true.. [2015-01-01 3:18:09] Redslash: 3:41:41 core kill [2015-01-01 3:19:43] Redslash: I just watched the highlight. He HAD it, 36 minutes earlier... that's insane, lol [2015-01-01 3:25:25] Redslash: At 4 minutes of attempts, or 8th try [2015-01-01 20:12:14] ElGranJerry: We will be seeing CT in February for the SRC marathon, I just got told. Get hype haha [2015-01-01 22:45:54] eLmaGus: yo sick [2015-01-01 22:49:17] ElGranJerry: pretty cool, Sub 3 in the marathon [2015-01-01 22:49:19] ElGranJerry: I can feel it [2015-01-01 23:00:50] eLmaGus: i feel like i submitted to that marathon [2015-01-01 23:00:53] eLmaGus: i cant remember though [2015-01-01 23:01:16] ElGranJerry: I can check if there is a accepted list [2015-01-01 23:02:13] ElGranJerry: eLmaGus Final Fantasy Mystic Quest any% 2:20:00 [2015-01-01 23:02:17] ElGranJerry: past 1st cuts [2015-01-01 23:02:27] eLmaGus: yo where do you get this insight [2015-01-01 23:02:36] eLmaGus: and why did i submit Mystic Quest [2015-01-01 23:02:44] ElGranJerry: Well Gamer told me about CT via skype [2015-01-01 23:02:48] ElGranJerry: I just found this http://goo.gl/fgVFGL [2015-01-01 23:02:52] ElGranJerry: in reddit lol [2015-01-01 23:03:24] eLmaGus: fuck my ass [2015-01-01 23:03:33] eLmaGus: now i have to play Mystic Quest again [2015-01-01 23:03:43] ElGranJerry: lmao [2015-01-01 23:03:52] ElGranJerry: it can still get cut [2015-01-01 23:04:07] eLmaGus: they better not or i will haunt them [2015-01-01 23:04:21] ElGranJerry: PogChamp [2015-01-01 23:05:02] ElGranJerry: I forgot I submitted as well [2015-01-01 23:05:20] ElGranJerry: Submissions were a long time ago iirc [2015-01-01 23:05:41] eLmaGus: yeah [2015-01-01 23:05:42] eLmaGus: kind of [2015-01-01 23:05:51] eLmaGus: that would explain why i didnt submit CT [2015-01-01 23:06:35] ElGranJerry: My PB was prolly the 3:17 then, hence the 3:30 estimate [2015-01-01 23:06:40] ElGranJerry: or the 3:11 [2015-01-01 23:06:52] eLmaGus: im not sure did i have a PB back then [2015-01-01 23:06:54] eLmaGus: HEH [2015-01-01 23:06:56] eLmaGus: good question [2015-01-01 23:07:21] ElGranJerry: it was after the Bonus game for the relay [2015-01-01 23:07:24] ElGranJerry: so you had that [2015-01-01 23:07:45] eLmaGus: i see [2015-01-01 23:07:52] ElGranJerry: Im trying to see if I can find the submissions [2015-01-01 23:07:53] eLmaGus: so probably my PB was something like 3:10 [2015-01-01 23:09:15] ElGranJerry: we should have submitted a race :/ [2015-01-01 23:10:05] eLmaGus: i feel like i might have submitted CT [2015-01-01 23:10:10] eLmaGus: i did to a couple of marathons [2015-01-01 23:10:13] eLmaGus: but i cant rememebr [2015-01-01 23:12:09] ElGranJerry: well if you wanna race we can prolly tell the organizers [2015-01-01 23:12:20] eLmaGus: when is this thing, february? [2015-01-01 23:12:26] ElGranJerry: yeah [2015-01-01 23:12:41] ElGranJerry: I guess timezones might be a bitch for this though [2015-01-01 23:12:45] eLmaGus: let me check some things i am part of [2015-01-01 23:13:43] eLmaGus: could probably race [2015-01-01 23:13:55] eLmaGus: the next thing i got is March the relay [2015-01-01 23:13:58] eLmaGus: and im not playing there [2015-01-01 23:14:03] eLmaGus: but its alright [2015-01-01 23:15:19] ElGranJerry: cool, I will message this dude when he comes online prolly tomorrow [2015-01-01 23:15:41] ElGranJerry: hopefully it's on the weekend since it's thursday-sunday [2015-01-01 23:15:58] eLmaGus: heh [2015-01-01 23:15:59] ElGranJerry: I got college from 7 to 7:30 those 2 days haha [2015-01-02 2:04:32] eLmaGus: did we ever try to unequip Crono's Armor at the Fair [2015-01-02 2:04:46] eLmaGus: because you can buy a Bronze Helm there and do that [2015-01-02 2:04:53] eLmaGus: i dont know if that would be any good though [2015-01-02 9:54:40] ElGranJerry: what for? Stronger Magic for DTank? [2015-01-02 9:55:14] eLmaGus: to be weaker everywhere [2015-01-02 9:55:19] eLmaGus: of course for more magic [2015-01-02 9:55:46] ElGranJerry: but I mean, only point it would be a factor would be DTank [2015-01-02 9:55:58] eLmaGus: not entirely [2015-01-02 9:56:21] eLmaGus: i have no clue if that could be a thing [2015-01-02 9:56:31] eLmaGus: but you could try to Fire Whirl Slimes [2015-01-02 9:57:52] eLmaGus: could also try to Fire Whirl R-Series i guess [2015-01-02 10:18:32] ElGranJerry: For RSeries Ive gone full unequip Crono and unfortunately still cant 1 hit [2015-01-02 10:18:57] eLmaGus: gotta get the Bolt Sword [2015-01-02 10:19:02] eLmaGus: actually [2015-01-02 10:19:03] eLmaGus: ACTUALLY [2015-01-02 10:19:07] eLmaGus: you could do that for 100% [2015-01-02 10:20:48] ElGranJerry: hmm, I know there is 1 in factory, I just cant remember exactly where [2015-01-02 10:20:58] ElGranJerry: and another in sewers [2015-01-02 10:21:01] eLmaGus: you have to solve the puzzle zZz [2015-01-02 10:21:03] eLmaGus: and yeah [2015-01-02 10:21:11] eLmaGus: since you have to do sewers anyways later [2015-01-02 10:21:17] eLmaGus: in 100% you could do it [2015-01-02 10:21:26] eLmaGus: if that 1 shots R-Series [2015-01-02 10:21:30] eLmaGus: that might actually be worth it [2015-01-02 10:21:55] eLmaGus: you would skip 1 million attack animations on R-Series [2015-01-02 10:22:16] ElGranJerry: if it 1 shots would be worth timing [2015-01-02 10:22:20] ElGranJerry: Might be a close one [2015-01-02 10:23:35] eLmaGus: not even close [2015-01-02 10:23:40] eLmaGus: the swag would be too much [2015-01-02 20:55:08] ElGranJerry: 5-7 second timesaver. Fadeou tool guy in 600 [2015-01-02 20:55:18] ElGranJerry: Just the 1st time [2015-01-06 23:52:50] Redslash: Weird, this may be because I did Sunken Desert first, but when I go to get Tabansuit he's already downstairs [2015-01-07 0:45:44] eLmaGus: huh [2015-01-07 0:45:55] eLmaGus: did you go to him earlier maybe and forgot? [2015-01-07 1:02:13] Redslash: Checked on any% file, it's Greendream. Taban scene would look odd with Lara walking around, lol [2015-01-07 1:03:29] Redslash: ...Her name looks weird when not in all caps [2015-01-07 3:07:39] Redslash: Man, with Doomsickle (damageX3 w/ 2 down allies, just takes 80 seconds to get), Berserk Magus really cleans up Black Omen until last 4 rooms [2015-01-07 9:35:05] eLmaGus: my favorite weapon in casual :P [2015-01-07 17:14:53] Redslash: Hastehelm seems good enough for Lavos Spawn, plus rng for no chaos... then menu glitch before Mammon may be helpful (saves no time tho) [2015-01-07 17:15:22] Redslash: Black Omen RTA could be a thing after all~ [2015-01-08 20:50:52] ElGranJerry: Kreygasm [2015-01-08 20:51:28] ElGranJerry: we should do more CT races [2015-01-09 0:42:41] Redslash: Jia was 8 minutes ahead of record, then last phase of Dragon God decides to do like 1200 damage to his party... it was totally incredible, no one's ever seen that before https://secure.twitch.tv/jialora/v/42157444 [2015-01-09 3:44:51] eLmaGus: i have seen that before [2015-01-09 3:44:52] eLmaGus: in casual [2015-01-09 3:44:58] eLmaGus: multiple times in fact [2015-01-09 4:02:29] Redslash: Well dang. I admit I don't understand what prevents it, but he didn't do anything different from usual. They were talking to Nero and he's stumped too [2015-01-09 4:06:11] eLmaGus: whats the final phases aspect? [2015-01-09 4:06:13] eLmaGus: red? [2015-01-09 4:06:16] eLmaGus: i forget [2015-01-09 4:06:23] eLmaGus: if it is the game might not have cleared the field [2015-01-09 4:06:26] eLmaGus: for some reason [2015-01-10 7:18:09] Redslash: Can't believe GDQ's almost over, and I'm almost out of things to research... so runs soon I guess [2015-01-10 7:18:30] eLmaGus: FINALLY [2015-01-10 7:18:31] eLmaGus: i mean [2015-01-10 7:18:34] eLmaGus: thats great : ) [2015-01-10 7:19:21] Redslash: lmao... yeah, should be good [2015-01-10 7:22:48] Redslash: Just a couple specific things I still wanna know: when exactly NG+ unlocks (kinda need to complete hundo...), and then data on EoT S/A [2015-01-10 7:25:06] eLmaGus: i think NG+ unlocks if you finish after crono died [2015-01-10 7:25:14] eLmaGus: or you kill lavos in OP [2015-01-10 7:30:40] Redslash: Oh, I'm pretty certain you need to be on Final Battle chapter, i.e. through Black Omen [2015-01-10 7:31:35] Redslash: But I want to know the exact moment it unlocks, like when you can reset after killing the core [2015-01-10 7:32:52] Redslash: Because, I feel that'll influence my idea of when our timing should stop. Or possibly not. =) [2015-01-10 7:36:28] eLmaGus: i see [2015-01-10 7:36:32] eLmaGus: i thought it unlocked earlier [2015-01-11 14:35:58] ElGranJerry: I finally got to doing the tutorial, if anyone is interested haha [2015-01-11 14:36:07] ElGranJerry: did start-rseries for now [2015-01-13 9:55:49] ElGranJerry: so i got my capture card but I didnt get any splitters (forgot) [2015-01-13 9:55:58] ElGranJerry: which kind should I get? There seems to be too many of them [2015-01-13 10:02:56] SnesWarrior: What cap card did you get? If it doesn't require specific splitters you should just be able to get any I believe, assuming they are the correct input/output you need of course [2015-01-13 10:10:06] ElGranJerry: easycap lol [2015-01-13 10:10:11] ElGranJerry: I can view it in my computer [2015-01-13 10:10:19] ElGranJerry: but no way to see it on the tv [2015-01-13 10:13:03] DrunkenDraconian: yeah you need a/some splitter/s [2015-01-13 10:13:56] SnesWarrior: You'll be wanting something that looks like this im pretty sure http://www.showmecables.com/product/S-Video-Splitter-with-AC-Adapter.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=47-100-010&zmam=49733141&zmac=5&zmas=1&zmap=47-100-010&gclid=CJ_gity7kcMCFe_m7AodF28AbA [2015-01-13 10:14:33] SnesWarrior: I have a noob elgato so it kind of has splitters built into it, so im not 100% for sure. But i think that should work [2015-01-13 10:14:57] DrunkenDraconian: you can just use a wire splitter, you don't need the emp [2015-01-13 10:15:36] DrunkenDraconian: are you playing on SNES or VC? [2015-01-13 10:17:14] DrunkenDraconian: and are you using the yellow RCA or s-video [2015-01-13 10:17:29] DrunkenDraconian: emp=amp [2015-01-13 10:18:40] ElGranJerry: atm I am connecting to n64 just to test it [2015-01-13 10:18:52] ElGranJerry: vc is in my sisters room so I will try that later [2015-01-13 10:20:15] DrunkenDraconian: yeah the amp is better for splitting, but by no means required. especially with using RCA [2015-01-13 10:21:21] DrunkenDraconian: i used 3x http://cdn.head-fi.org/1/1e/1e983023_37_split2.jpeg [2015-01-13 10:21:45] DrunkenDraconian: my new capture has lagless passthrough [2015-01-13 10:22:09] ElGranJerry: I've seen those, so I just get a few of them? I guess I should get one for audio and one for vido [2015-01-13 10:22:41] DrunkenDraconian: for mono or 3 for stereo [2015-01-13 10:23:20] DrunkenDraconian: you will get a better picture with s-video [2015-01-13 10:24:21] DrunkenDraconian: i've also have this http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00AB2FY8U?ref_=pe_1162070_123184310 [2015-01-13 10:24:55] SnesWarrior: Yeah S-video makes colors a lot sharper. It's nice [2015-01-13 10:25:02] SnesWarrior: Never had those back in the day lol [2015-01-13 10:25:22] DrunkenDraconian: and it splits the video into one rca(to TV) AND one S video(to cap) and then you just have to split the audio [2015-01-13 10:26:48] DrunkenDraconian: I'm not sure if the plug standard for Nintendo has changed after gamecube.... [2015-01-13 10:27:32] SnesWarrior: Mm, I dont think so. I think you can either go S-video or HDMI [2015-01-13 10:28:12] DrunkenDraconian: i jsut know the a/v output was the same from SNES to GC [2015-01-13 10:28:48] SnesWarrior: GC never went composite? [2015-01-13 10:29:45] DrunkenDraconian: the actual shape of the connector was the same at least [2015-01-13 10:30:08] DrunkenDraconian: SNES supported SCART on top, n64 did not, GC prob had composite enapled as well [2015-01-13 10:30:37] SnesWarrior: Ah, I was just curious, I skipped owning a GC/Wii, loving my Wii U now tho [2015-01-13 10:37:33] ElGranJerry: meh, it crashes on Windows 8 [2015-01-13 10:37:46] ElGranJerry: will need to partition to get Windows 7 [2015-01-13 10:37:51] ElGranJerry: w8 is a piece of crap [2015-01-13 10:38:19] SnesWarrior: Agreed. Pirated windows 7 for life : 3 [2015-01-13 10:38:51] ElGranJerry: I am going to format this shit from scratch and do Windows 7 [2015-01-13 10:38:55] DrunkenDraconian: I've just been using the same version and key for the last 7 years [2015-01-13 10:38:56] ElGranJerry: it's unbelievable [2015-01-13 10:39:29] SnesWarrior: I had vista until I got my elgato, then had to get 7 cause it wouldn't play on vista or XP [2015-01-13 10:39:34] DrunkenDraconian: one you get set up we should race nude**nudge [2015-01-13 10:39:43] DrunkenDraconian: umm oops [2015-01-13 10:39:47] DrunkenDraconian: nudge [2015-01-13 10:39:54] SnesWarrior: nude nudge lewd [2015-01-13 10:42:16] ElGranJerry: lol [2015-01-13 10:42:31] ElGranJerry: don't we all stream nude all the time? Kappa [2015-01-13 10:43:09] SnesWarrior: OF course thats why no controller cam ^_- [2015-01-13 10:43:36] SnesWarrior: Need to be "aerodynamic" for speedrunning [2015-01-13 10:44:41] ElGranJerry: exactlyy [2015-01-13 10:57:07] ElGranJerry: Also I got my NES working as good as new [2015-01-13 10:57:16] ElGranJerry: I'm so hyped about that [2015-01-13 11:20:39] DrunkenDraconian: I need a new 72 pin thingy [2015-01-13 11:30:47] ElGranJerry: I got a spare one [2015-01-13 11:30:51] ElGranJerry: come to mexico and it's yours [2015-01-13 11:30:58] ElGranJerry: lol [2015-01-13 11:34:32] DrunkenDraconian: See you in 2 weeks [2015-01-13 11:35:56] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-01-14 0:27:00] Redslash: I was playing 100% and put Lucca in the Groupie fight, to try for the Shelterless strat... [2015-01-14 0:28:18] Redslash: Because of that, Robo was 1 level down for Dalton+, and got HP digit 8 from Motherbrain... so sad, lol [2015-01-14 0:29:27] Redslash: But putting Robo in for Nereid+Krawlie would've fixed it. Lucca needs Plasmagun for the Groupies tho [2015-01-14 8:54:15] ElGranJerry: who do we swap out for nereid+krawlie? Ayla I guess? [2015-01-14 9:01:01] Redslash: Oh either one. Lucca's TP is fine, and these fights only amount to 36exp (because 75% outside the party) [2015-01-14 10:38:47] ElGranJerry: Would shelterless save more than the double team swap? [2015-01-14 10:38:53] ElGranJerry: Prolly it will [2015-01-14 18:52:08] ElGranJerry: I am puttinh Any% to rest for a while, only coming back for the SRC and sick kids marathon [2015-01-14 18:52:16] ElGranJerry: 100% all the way this next months [2015-01-14 22:39:33] ElGranJerry: hmm wtf? http://www.twitch.tv/altabiscuit/v/3690630 Wrong Warp between games?? [2015-01-16 10:05:11] ElGranJerry: If I add Robo for the 2 fights in 65mBC and use laser spin [2015-01-16 10:05:18] ElGranJerry: would that affect his hp digits later on? [2015-01-16 10:15:42] ElGranJerry: meh, its slower [2015-01-16 10:39:59] ElGranJerry: SHOUTOUTS to my internet provider [2015-01-16 10:40:05] ElGranJerry: now I have 1.3 upload [2015-01-16 10:40:13] ElGranJerry: feels like they are blocking me for some reason [2015-01-16 18:36:15] ElGranJerry: And there goes the run haha [2015-01-16 18:36:19] ElGranJerry: FailFish [2015-01-17 2:41:11] Redslash: Just wanna mention, de-equip Airgun at some point might be better than Megablast. Maybe when equipping Swallow. [2015-01-17 2:41:26] Redslash: Shelter there is good too instead of at Mt. Woe save, simply use Ether a bit earlier [2015-01-17 3:49:41] Redslash: I just noticed, with the Cursed Woods Nu, the other enemies sometimes (not always) move differently... thought my setup was perfectly safe, got caught anyway hah [2015-01-17 6:43:45] ElGranJerry: Interesting. Do we have an extra helmet to do the unequip at that point? [2015-01-17 6:44:31] ElGranJerry: I will actually check that. I have my save closeby, before BT FailFish [2015-01-17 6:48:14] ElGranJerry: Hmm you have the ceratopper right before BT (minimal timeloss) to grab [2015-01-17 6:48:52] ElGranJerry: Dont know if that messes up other unequips though [2015-01-19 19:28:40] ElGranJerry: hmm I only have 3 elixirs? I am one short :( [2015-01-19 19:28:58] ElGranJerry: I can't beat the game now [2015-01-19 19:29:20] DrunkenDraconian: yolo mammon machine [2015-01-19 19:29:25] ElGranJerry: Wondering where I actually got those 3, never picked any up [2015-01-19 19:29:36] DrunkenDraconian: or unequip for zeal fight [2015-01-19 19:30:21] ElGranJerry: yeah, I will yolo zeal [2015-01-19 19:30:31] ElGranJerry: Desert elixir isn't on the route, I missed that one [2015-01-19 19:30:42] ElGranJerry: will add that right now [2015-01-19 19:34:27] ElGranJerry: Hmm Otta, if I get into one of the battles in Guardia Castle do I mess up the rng? [2015-01-19 19:34:42] ElGranJerry: just curious about thatt [2015-01-19 21:17:26] Redslash: Should add another elixir too, either Guardia basement or Black Omen Nu room. The 3 you got were from Tubster, Lavos Spawn, and Goons, but it's not guaranteed you'll fight Goons.. [2015-01-19 21:17:44] ElGranJerry: oh [2015-01-19 21:17:46] ElGranJerry: I got 0 fights [2015-01-19 21:17:50] ElGranJerry: both times haha [2015-01-19 21:17:59] ElGranJerry: too bad it was practice [2015-01-19 21:18:16] Redslash: Right on. And you avoided the 2 little bats =) [2015-01-19 21:18:22] ElGranJerry: yup [2015-01-19 21:18:28] ElGranJerry: well... I was savestating [2015-01-19 21:18:34] ElGranJerry: they caught me a couple of times [2015-01-19 21:19:39] Redslash: Movement in Black Omen is pretty fun, lots to remember, heh [2015-01-19 21:22:07] Redslash: Oh and yeah, Yakra XIII requires avoiding those fights [2015-01-19 21:23:16] ElGranJerry: I seee [2015-01-19 21:23:21] ElGranJerry: good to know [2015-01-19 21:23:41] ElGranJerry: Black Omen is amazing, but it requires precisión, I am soooo rusty right now haha [2015-01-19 21:23:55] ElGranJerry: Also having problems with Retinite (Robo missing Uzzi Punch on core) [2015-01-21 14:07:34] Redslash: (secret 2015 stream) [2015-01-21 19:38:45] ElGranJerry: sexy stream red [2015-01-21 19:52:16] Redslash: X) Thanks man, I really enjoyed sharing a nice chill "secret" stream with everyone [2015-01-21 19:54:01] Redslash: That was really cool of you to tweet it though, for real. I was pretty surprised by that turnout, lol [2015-01-21 19:59:36] ElGranJerry: haha yeah unexpected [2015-01-21 19:59:54] ElGranJerry: It was a fun one, even if LSS never happened, for sure next run ;) [2015-01-21 20:20:53] Redslash: Yeah... I'm gonna have to put some serious time into this, to cut the ZWolf [2015-01-21 20:22:55] ElGranJerry: red please hahahha [2015-01-21 20:26:41] Redslash: Lol, yeah you're right. That run tho, oh boy... I need a runback asap X) [2015-01-21 20:28:33] ElGranJerry: :D [2015-01-21 20:32:12] ElGranJerry: there's someone learning CT [2015-01-21 20:32:24] ElGranJerry: Glitchless Any% SS [2015-01-21 20:32:29] ElGranJerry: whatever SS means [2015-01-21 20:32:43] ElGranJerry: http://www.twitch.tv/andyperfect [2015-01-21 20:32:46] ElGranJerry: should be fun to watch [2015-01-21 20:34:42] DrunkenDraconian: qq [2015-01-21 20:37:53] DrunkenDraconian: ss = stock settings? [2015-01-21 20:40:47] ElGranJerry: I wonder if he considers bird skip a glitch [2015-01-21 20:41:04] ElGranJerry: cause he know about rng manip, boss glitches eta [2015-01-21 20:41:07] ElGranJerry: etc [2015-01-21 20:42:01] DrunkenDraconian: half the fun is figuring thnigs out [2015-01-21 20:42:13] DrunkenDraconian: his mind will be blown when he finds out Crono doesn't have to ride the tele [2015-01-21 20:42:45] ElGranJerry: I think he knows [2015-01-21 20:42:55] ElGranJerry: he just considers it a "glitch"? [2015-01-21 20:44:02] ElGranJerry: yeah I am out, not even bs1 [2015-01-21 20:44:27] DrunkenDraconian: it's practice [2015-01-21 20:44:41] ElGranJerry: bs1 is a must :( [2015-01-21 20:44:56] ElGranJerry: idk, 5 just makes it slow and boring to watch/play [2015-01-21 20:44:57] ElGranJerry: imo [2015-01-21 20:45:21] DrunkenDraconian: I can't say things about wacky rules.. [2015-01-21 20:47:12] Redslash: Might have to route "glitchless" with RNG manip, just for funs [2015-01-21 20:48:11] ElGranJerry: yeah haha [2015-01-21 20:48:39] ElGranJerry: So far I've Heard puwexil wanted to do it at some point and so did Jialora [2015-01-21 20:48:59] DrunkenDraconian: would be a tight run [2015-01-21 20:49:32] ElGranJerry: But considering RNG Manip a glitch, that would be sillt [2015-01-21 20:49:33] ElGranJerry: y [2015-01-21 20:49:34] DrunkenDraconian: glitchless means longer battles and more headaches for scripting [2015-01-21 20:49:43] DrunkenDraconian: manip is ot a glitch [2015-01-21 20:49:50] DrunkenDraconian: not* [2015-01-21 20:49:53] ElGranJerry: I know [2015-01-21 20:50:51] ElGranJerry: that stream it just reminds me of this guy who "runs" Diddy Kong Racing No WW, no TT, No Resets cause he doesnt like other categories [2015-01-21 20:51:54] DrunkenDraconian: / wants to have fun [2015-01-21 20:52:05] DrunkenDraconian: my problem is that i like pain [2015-01-21 20:52:15] DrunkenDraconian: so fun is grinding [2015-01-21 20:52:31] ElGranJerry: I dont mind, but it's annoying when people come to your stream asking why you dont run that haha [2015-01-21 20:52:39] DrunkenDraconian: lol [2015-01-21 20:53:00] ElGranJerry: I would be up for the 100% no S&Q [2015-01-21 20:53:10] ElGranJerry: routing challenge [2015-01-21 20:56:13] ElGranJerry: have you advanced on that DD? [2015-01-21 20:56:56] DrunkenDraconian: not very far [2015-01-21 20:57:48] DrunkenDraconian: there is room to get the flea manip in it i'm sure [2015-01-21 20:58:03] DrunkenDraconian: also rpobably magus [2015-01-21 20:59:11] DrunkenDraconian: and maybe even elixir too, leave the shell and set up rng at some fight [2015-01-21 20:59:59] DrunkenDraconian: i've got plans, just nothing from them yet [2015-01-21 21:01:26] Redslash: I think I might take a look at it, start from Lavos and work backwards... see if just small changes could be made in some fights [2015-01-21 21:02:08] DrunkenDraconian: for 100% the window to survive the needle is a bit better [2015-01-21 21:02:24] DrunkenDraconian: opens things up some [2015-01-21 21:02:28] ElGranJerry: yeah [2015-01-21 21:06:47] Redslash: Recovery strats could be a headache, but very doable [2015-01-21 21:07:20] Redslash: Actually might be pretty fun to watch that [2015-01-21 21:07:57] DrunkenDraconian: you would know by the time you get to lavos if you are "on it" [2015-01-21 21:09:09] DrunkenDraconian: kick out Froge, bring in Bobo [2015-01-21 21:09:37] Redslash: Ah, like if a boss gets away from you, you have certain fights you can run from to get back on track [2015-01-21 21:10:59] Redslash: There are some special ones scattered around with fewer windows, gotta hunt those down [2015-01-21 21:11:44] Redslash: Bobo =0 For elixir? [2015-01-21 21:11:59] DrunkenDraconian: and also just figuring out where it is even worth it to try [2015-01-21 21:12:15] DrunkenDraconian: Bobo to omegaflare BC elixir strats failed [2015-01-21 21:13:19] DrunkenDraconian: knowing Sun of Sun RNG is big too, early sun stone is a powerhouse [2015-01-21 21:13:45] DrunkenDraconian: without redvest [2015-01-21 21:18:37] Redslash: Just to be clear, this only removes S/A skips and the reloads? [2015-01-21 21:19:13] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, in my mind at least [2015-01-21 21:19:27] ElGranJerry: yeah I think that as well [2015-01-21 21:20:49] Redslash: Because after Beast Nest, the 100% route would probably only need a few tweaks, could stay pretty intact I think [2015-01-21 21:21:11] DrunkenDraconian: i've been meaning to look over the new route [2015-01-21 21:21:24] DrunkenDraconian: but yeah [2015-01-21 21:24:45] Redslash: Kind of a tangent, but 100% would be a lot more interesting if you had to kill Magus =) [2015-01-21 21:25:05] DrunkenDraconian: Swag [2015-01-21 21:25:07] Redslash: He makes the rest of the game too easy [2015-01-21 21:25:11] ElGranJerry: That would be amazing [2015-01-21 21:25:17] ElGranJerry: I hate Magus [2015-01-21 21:25:27] Redslash: Lol [2015-01-21 21:25:36] ElGranJerry: not my man eLmaGus [2015-01-21 21:25:45] ElGranJerry: idk, I always killed magus on my casual playthroughs [2015-01-21 21:26:41] Redslash: Dang, that's cold son [2015-01-21 21:27:53] Redslash: Most people probably don't kill Magus, I think... ha ha [2015-01-21 21:29:04] Redslash: Well, we're onto something, just not sure what to call it yet [2015-01-21 21:29:45] ElGranJerry: Yeah, it depends I guess, if I knew he became a party member I might have let him live [2015-01-21 21:30:54] Redslash: Oh lol, yeah I think that's the first thing people do, then they find out and regret it [2015-01-21 21:31:25] ElGranJerry: sort of [2015-01-21 21:31:36] ElGranJerry: I still stand strong with my group [2015-01-21 21:31:40] ElGranJerry: Crono, Frog, Marle [2015-01-21 21:32:02] ElGranJerry: shame it sucks [2015-01-21 21:40:38] ElGranJerry: anyways, I got a long day tomorrow, Have a good night guys [2015-01-21 21:50:03] DrunkenDraconian: later [2015-01-21 21:50:33] Redslash: Goodnight =) [2015-01-22 16:39:08] ElGranJerry: Anyone wants to race in like 2 hours? [2015-01-22 16:39:08] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-01-22 16:43:54] DrunkenDraconian: I want to, but I have to be up early [2015-01-22 16:45:35] ElGranJerry: :/ [2015-01-22 16:45:39] DrunkenDraconian: the struggle is real [2015-01-22 16:45:55] ElGranJerry: I will just grind out a run and get WR then [2015-01-22 16:46:55] ElGranJerry: You are +2 from me so a race would end super late for you :( [2015-01-22 16:46:58] DrunkenDraconian: what did you want to race anyay? [2015-01-22 16:47:01] ElGranJerry: Screw timezones [2015-01-22 16:47:04] ElGranJerry: Any% [2015-01-22 16:47:32] ElGranJerry: Waiiit. Yakra RTA Kappa [2015-01-22 16:47:37] DrunkenDraconian: J any% to masamune [2015-01-22 16:49:35] ElGranJerry: Berserk Robo <3 [2015-01-22 16:50:07] DrunkenDraconian: i missed that, will watch right now [2015-01-22 16:50:38] DrunkenDraconian: The internet is always gonig out when it snows here in Canada [2015-01-22 16:53:09] ElGranJerry: Snow :O [2015-01-22 16:53:14] DrunkenDraconian: vod is muted, Anime music strikes again [2015-01-22 16:53:24] ElGranJerry: Hahahhaha [2015-01-22 16:54:08] DrunkenDraconian: Berserker is OP with manipulation [2015-01-22 16:55:58] ElGranJerry: Yeah. Effective+swag [2015-01-22 16:56:51] ElGranJerry: Gottandrive home [2015-01-22 16:56:51] ElGranJerry: hopefully traffic.is good [2015-01-22 17:02:37] Redslash: Only one anime song tho =) [2015-01-22 17:02:45] Redslash: I'm excited to see how much was muted, I was afraid it wasn't loud enough [2015-01-22 17:03:08] DrunkenDraconian: yeah just the start and the middle [2015-01-22 17:03:44] DrunkenDraconian: and for a casual stream, whatever [2015-01-22 17:04:20] DrunkenDraconian: sorry "secret" [2015-01-22 17:04:46] Redslash: Yep, but ya gotta go for that mute WR [2015-01-22 17:04:56] Redslash: (mute secret WR) [2015-01-22 17:05:17] DrunkenDraconian: ripvod%? [2015-01-22 17:07:30] Redslash: I do local recording anyway... but I guess I can just see what songs to take out [2015-01-22 17:08:05] DrunkenDraconian: it mutes a 30 min swath around the offending audio [2015-01-22 17:09:21] Redslash: Yeah, ended up looping a few times tho so I might be able to deduce [2015-01-22 17:14:05] Redslash: Eh, it's probably just the Kenshin song [2015-01-22 17:14:32] DrunkenDraconian: replace with some yoko kanno [2015-01-22 17:24:03] Redslash: Jeez, she's worked on a ton of stuff, never realized [2015-01-22 17:24:55] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, i'm mostly familiar with Cowboy Bebop [2015-01-22 17:30:17] Redslash: Ending to Porco Rosso, that's amazing. Honey and Clover also pops out at me, plus Sakamichi no Apollon which Watanabe directed [2015-01-22 17:30:52] Redslash: Yuki sings openings to those two~ [2015-01-22 17:31:05] DrunkenDraconian: I remember liking Porco Rosso [2015-01-22 17:40:29] DrunkenDraconian: aw man, she's way more than i thought [2015-01-22 17:42:01] DrunkenDraconian: prolific that is [2015-01-22 17:48:34] Redslash: Lol, yeah [2015-01-22 17:55:37] Redslash: Just thinking, I guess I'm an anime fan up until like, 2001... Spirited Away and before One Piece got long-winded [2015-01-22 17:56:26] Redslash: There's been good stuff since but nothing I'd recommend over the 90s X) [2015-01-22 17:56:52] DrunkenDraconian: I've seen everything that Blockbuster had Keepo [2015-01-22 17:58:01] DrunkenDraconian: I did buy and enjoy the Outlanders Manga [2015-01-22 18:08:00] Redslash: Right on, there is a lot of older stuff I'd like to see yet... Gundam Wing seemed amazing, until I saw Gundam 79 [2015-01-22 18:09:14] Redslash: Well, they're quite different X) [2015-01-25 9:46:30] SnesWarrior: Don't worry theres nothing better than the 90s anime anyways. Cowboy Bebop, Trigun and Yuyu Hakusho is all you need ;) [2015-01-25 9:48:36] SnesWarrior: And I'm kinda surprised Red's vod got muted... I was kinda hoping there'd be some song's that woulda flown under the radar. Friggin amazon [2015-01-25 11:04:13] Redslash: Ah yeah, well it was definitely just the one song. But I plan to experiment more [2015-01-25 11:07:15] Redslash: I remember when they aired Samurai Champloo and Trigun in a 1-hour block. Can't beat that [2015-01-25 11:09:50] SnesWarrior: The good ol' days [2015-01-25 11:10:48] SnesWarrior: 90's anime to me had better VA's as well... the dubs these days sound pretty meh [2015-01-25 15:24:22] ElGranJerry: why don't we use battle message speed 1? [2015-01-25 15:24:28] ElGranJerry: Or doesn't it matter [2015-01-25 15:30:45] ElGranJerry: I just timed it and it seems the same speed maybe that's why [2015-01-25 15:31:51] Redslash: Yeah. Just makes them get out of your way so you can see, lol [2015-01-25 15:32:23] Redslash: If I recall correctly [2015-01-25 15:34:08] Redslash: Oh, there were some pretty bad dubs in the 90s too... tho maybe these days there are more X) [2015-01-25 15:41:21] ElGranJerry: Be getting some messages about new runners [2015-01-25 15:41:28] ElGranJerry: Hopefully we get more like Will starting soon [2015-01-25 19:56:35] ElGranJerry: those speedtabs on Lucca made me realice puwexil is following the old route [2015-01-26 4:57:26] Redslash: Was thinking about glitchless some more... using the rats in Lab 16 seems like a glitch, doesn't it? But probably minor enough to pass [2015-01-26 6:43:53] ElGranJerry: Hmm never gave it much thought [2015-01-26 6:45:15] ElGranJerry: I think it's minor enough to pass, leaving a textbox open longer doesnt seem as a glitch? [2015-01-26 6:45:23] ElGranJerry: Hard to define haha [2015-01-26 6:48:08] Redslash: Lol, yeah. It's funny b/c it'd be easy enough to just not do it... Gonna go ahead and say it doesn't matter [2015-01-26 6:50:09] Redslash: I scripted Yakra and thought I had the perfect line for Dragon Tank... then the guards at the top of the stairs surprised me. Totally forgot about them FailFish [2015-01-26 6:50:48] ElGranJerry: Damn :/ [2015-01-26 6:51:02] ElGranJerry: Oh yeah, no fadeouts :( [2015-01-26 7:00:21] SnesWarrior: Yeah, I kind of considered the run away faster glitch... a glitch. But I think andyperfect is still using it. shrug [2015-01-26 7:01:01] Redslash: Haha, didn't think of that one [2015-01-26 7:02:11] Redslash: Maybe I'll just play around with no s+q for now, glitchless is a pain [2015-01-26 7:03:25] Redslash: Hmm [2015-01-26 7:04:04] DrunkenDraconian: glitchless adds a bunch of skippable mashing more than intersting gameplay for me. If i were to do "glichless" I'd use fadeouts to skip cutscenes but not bosses [2015-01-26 7:04:26] DrunkenDraconian: rip Ottavino ;/ [2015-01-26 7:04:53] SnesWarrior: I feel like he did that on accident.. maybe [2015-01-26 7:06:31] SnesWarrior: But yeah, glitchless is really annoyign if not just because of defining it. Kinda reminds me of why no one bothers with glitchless SoM [2015-01-26 7:07:10] SnesWarrior: Tho tbh, I always thought a glitchess run would be a fun blind thing to do with ppl in this group, cause it would be a semi-train wreck but I think we all know enough to make it to the end no matter what happens to us [2015-01-26 7:07:29] ElGranJerry: Otta :( [2015-01-26 7:08:10] DrunkenDraconian: I think a Magus race with no de-equip would be killer [2015-01-26 7:10:23] Redslash: We probably didn't realize how much Otta dislikes glitchless [2015-01-26 7:10:31] DrunkenDraconian: ha [2015-01-26 7:10:42] ElGranJerry: Lol [2015-01-26 7:10:53] SnesWarrior: hehe [2015-01-26 7:13:43] Redslash: Routing it I think would make the ultimate case for RNG manip, but... might not be worth it to me, lol [2015-01-26 7:15:21] ElGranJerry: RNG manip the game [2015-01-26 7:15:56] SnesWarrior: I was thinking about that the other day, and I always think about how bothersome scripting the acids/alks might be. But then I thought the easy way out might just be to figure out how many R-series fights there are and react on that instead [2015-01-26 7:16:49] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, you get 3 numbers from cyclone, shouldn't be too hard to get back on track [2015-01-26 7:19:29] Redslash: Looking at it now, you can make a full cycle through the RNG in like 5 fights (running away) [2015-01-26 7:19:41] Redslash: That's not too bad really [2015-01-26 7:20:48] SnesWarrior: Yeah, and im sure you could make it less by throwing in an attack here and there. [2015-01-26 7:24:30] Redslash: A berserk attack can get you more distance too, should keep that in mind [2015-01-26 7:25:05] SnesWarrior: Thats awesome, never noticed that one. [2015-01-26 7:27:12] Redslash: Still don't know the specifics of why that works, probably be investigating it a lot more for no s+q [2015-01-26 7:33:31] Redslash: Yeah dang, no saves seems really thrilling [2015-01-26 7:34:03] DrunkenDraconian: golem twins are scarry [2015-01-26 7:35:18] SnesWarrior: elixir glitch would be my only major concern. But I suppose you could just warp out, put yourself on the right string, then warp back in, though that seems kind of cheesy, heh. [2015-01-26 7:38:33] DrunkenDraconian: we were talking that, there mgiht be a string you can follow/get on that sets you up for it [2015-01-26 7:38:42] DrunkenDraconian: the needle window is much bigger [2015-01-26 7:39:51] SnesWarrior: Oh yeah, i didnt think about that, and maybe with the new leniency we've discovered with final shell, if it hit ayla the 2nd time that'd be ok as well [2015-01-26 7:40:01] SnesWarrior: Assuming we can get the same amount of Falcons in [2015-01-26 7:44:18] Redslash: And if we cannot make the Shell lead into Elixir glitch very well, there's always the Ocean Palace option [2015-01-26 7:45:46] Redslash: Might end up the better route for no s+q any% [2015-01-26 7:47:42] ElGranJerry: Swag ending [2015-01-26 7:50:39] ElGranJerry: Did the faster shell final phase for any% work out? [2015-01-26 7:50:50] ElGranJerry: I remember a discussion a long time ago but cant remember [2015-01-26 7:51:10] Redslash: It would be better for J, anyway. Fightin the shell's bad [2015-01-26 7:56:04] Redslash: J might be bad just because of Heckran and Zombor [2015-01-26 7:57:27] Redslash: Not even sure yet how to fight Zombor, tbh X) [2015-01-26 7:57:28] DrunkenDraconian: you can unequip for heckran [2015-01-26 7:57:53] Redslash: Yeah Heckran you'd want dat magic boost [2015-01-26 7:58:12] DrunkenDraconian: can kill him before he hides behind his arm [2015-01-26 8:00:12] DrunkenDraconian: I'm planning to whip out a run here tonight or tomorrow. A derust No SQ with saves [2015-01-26 8:00:24] Redslash: I assume Antipode/Fire is best on Zombor? [2015-01-26 8:00:40] Redslash: Oh dang, that'll be awesome [2015-01-26 8:00:43] DrunkenDraconian: lighting and fire [2015-01-26 8:01:41] DrunkenDraconian: i'm trying to remember.... [2015-01-26 8:03:01] Redslash: I bet Antipode is good on the head. Unless Robo is better [2015-01-26 8:03:19] DrunkenDraconian: you time it so lucca gets hit with mp buster after killing top(?) theso crono can lightning the bottom(?) [2015-01-26 8:03:34] DrunkenDraconian: or vice vera [2015-01-26 8:03:49] DrunkenDraconian: super rust :9 [2015-01-26 8:05:04] Redslash: Top absorbs light&fire, bottom absorbs ice&shadow [2015-01-26 8:05:45] Redslash: Had to look it up, heh. And Antipode is shadow btw (probably knew that) [2015-01-26 8:08:14] Redslash: Now that I've given up on glitchless, I guess I can proceed there for myself [2015-01-26 8:08:50] DrunkenDraconian: https://secure.twitch.tv/drunkendraconian/v/49285033 @1:09 [2015-01-26 8:13:09] Redslash: Righteous. [2015-01-26 8:13:38] DrunkenDraconian: that is unequiped and + guardian xp [2015-01-26 8:15:55] Redslash: Aw man... might have to contemplate Red Katana again [2015-01-26 8:22:50] Redslash: Lol, I'm gonna try Berserk Robo [2015-01-26 12:56:56] SnesWarrior: LOL so i know we arent the MMX community, but this is golden if you get in this channel before the song ends. They found a new glitch last night apparently http://www./hetfield90 [2015-01-26 12:57:09] SnesWarrior: Pretty game breaking, or level breaking at least [2015-01-26 13:28:28] Redslash: Wait a minute... was that the actual game? [2015-01-26 13:28:51] SnesWarrior: well he's in TAS mode right now, but he was RTA'ing it [2015-01-26 13:29:38] Redslash: I stuck around a bit and assumed it was a hack, lol. Didn't look normal at all [2015-01-26 13:29:39] SnesWarrior: but yea, he's basically phantom grabbing a platform, and it causes hardcore memory issues in the game if you don't despawn it [2015-01-26 13:30:25] Redslash: Ok I'll have to check it out again, pretty insane [2015-01-26 13:31:29] SnesWarrior: yea lol, and for a better explanation, a phantom grab is using the boomerang to grab an item and collecting that item on the same frame that an object spawns, therefore the item you collect turns INTO the item thats spawning, in this case, a platform that send you flying across the level [2015-01-26 17:03:23] *** ElgranJerry added ottavino *** [2015-01-26 18:23:27] Redslash: Mmm... I elixir-glitched Lavos core straight from the Shell fight, using Marle for both forms [2015-01-26 18:24:06] Redslash: Not very fast (better use BS8), but it's there lol [2015-01-26 18:28:53] DrunkenDraconian: you could route some speed tabs on her... [2015-01-26 18:31:22] Redslash: True. If you're coming from Black Omen you'll have a lot of options, since it throws tabs at you [2015-01-26 19:00:32] Redslash: Just kidding guys. Frog works. ='D [2015-01-26 19:00:50] Redslash: Put Berserker on both Crono and Marle tho, lmao...... [2015-01-26 19:01:59] Redslash: And that was BS5 [2015-01-26 19:22:47 | Edited 19:37:49] Redslash: (No Berserker) Crono atk right, Crono gets hit, Frog atk center [2015-01-26 20:07:49] ElGranJerry: for lavos or lavos core? [2015-01-26 20:13:16] Redslash: For the Core. Turns out this is 3-4 seconds slower than reloading, however [2015-01-26 20:13:35] DrunkenDraconian: oh no [2015-01-26 20:13:38] DrunkenDraconian: poor splits [2015-01-26 20:14:16] ElGranJerry: :/ [2015-01-26 20:14:52] Redslash: Oh wait a minute. I was comparing fight only, so... [2015-01-26 20:19:50] Redslash: Maybe 4 seconds gained then, not lost. Heh. [2015-01-26 20:35:57] ElGranJerry: does frog attack as soon as Crono gets hit? [2015-01-26 20:36:51] Redslash: Yeah, during that hit [2015-01-26 20:37:26] ElGranJerry: ok cool [2015-01-26 20:37:30] ElGranJerry: yeah I just tried it ouy [2015-01-26 20:37:38] ElGranJerry: if it's faster that's great [2015-01-26 20:38:44] ElGranJerry: 100% only? [2015-01-26 20:38:57] Redslash: Nope [2015-01-26 20:39:22] Redslash: Any% specifically, lol. I don't know the 100% shell RNG yet [2015-01-26 20:39:38] ElGranJerry: yeah my bad, my save is for any% [2015-01-26 20:39:48] ElGranJerry: just realized lol [2015-01-26 20:39:56] Redslash: Ah gotcha =) [2015-01-26 20:39:57] ElGranJerry: Snes9x please allow me to name savestates :( [2015-01-26 20:41:12] ElGranJerry: sub 3 is getting closer [2015-01-26 20:47:01] ElGranJerry: I am curious if the extra attack on Giga Gaia instead might mess up the RNG? [2015-01-26 20:47:10] ElGranJerry: I am thinking no, but who knows with this game [2015-01-26 20:50:11] Redslash: Nah, you start fresh with the final Shell fight. As long as you're in the window, it puts you on A3 [2015-01-26 20:51:07] Redslash: But, sure it's worth a double-check =) [2015-01-26 20:51:07] ElGranJerry: oh sweet, cool then :D [2015-01-26 20:51:17] ElGranJerry: Yeah, I am on my way to the bucket [2015-01-26 20:51:21] ElGranJerry: to try it out [2015-01-26 20:51:42] ElGranJerry: + get some Shell practice [2015-01-26 20:52:24] Redslash: Right on... hmm, I haven't seen a Shell fight in a while X) [2015-01-26 20:53:25] ElGranJerry: I know haha [2015-01-26 20:53:33] ElGranJerry: I haven't gotten to the Shell since my pb [2015-01-26 20:53:49] ElGranJerry: well, those 2 marathon urns [2015-01-26 20:54:44] ElGranJerry: Gotta stop resetting and finishing more runs [2015-01-26 20:57:35] Redslash: Hehe, I at least wanna see that sub-3 sum of bests (Krey) [2015-01-26 20:59:00] ElGranJerry: oh for sure [2015-01-26 20:59:16] ElGranJerry: I can gold my Shell Split by 40s according to Magus's best [2015-01-26 20:59:36] ElGranJerry: and I got some big timesavers on core and magus castle still [2015-01-26 21:00:08] ElGranJerry: It's gonna happen ]:) [2015-01-26 21:02:19] ElGranJerry: hmm I got a 30 dollar donation... [2015-01-26 21:02:22] ElGranJerry: I what [2015-01-26 21:02:41] DrunkenDraconian: internet monies!!!! [2015-01-26 21:02:44] Redslash: Wow, nice [2015-01-26 21:02:50] ElGranJerry: I feel really bad [2015-01-26 21:02:53] DrunkenDraconian: i should set up that shit :P [2015-01-26 21:02:57] ElGranJerry: I didn't get to see it when I was streaming [2015-01-26 21:04:16] ElGranJerry: I am pretty confident it was from will, at least I can contact him [2015-01-26 21:04:59] Redslash: Was there a name attached, or was it anonymous? [2015-01-26 21:05:20] ElGranJerry: William [2015-01-26 21:05:48] ElGranJerry: Mensaje: Jerry for SGDQ 2015 [2015-01-26 21:05:49] Redslash: Oh ok might be him then, heh =) [2015-01-26 21:05:51] ElGranJerry: lmao [2015-01-26 21:07:01] Redslash: Woohoo, Jerry for SGDQ confirmed? [2015-01-26 21:07:40] ElGranJerry: meh idk, if they make it in Texas I would think about it [2015-01-26 21:08:05] Redslash: Oh yeah... it could be in Texas. They haven't decided on location yet [2015-01-26 21:09:24] ElGranJerry: yup [2015-01-26 21:10:49] Redslash: But, I see it coming it'll be north, folks don't like the heat =/ [2015-01-26 21:11:12] ElGranJerry: yeah, it won't be in Texas haha [2015-01-26 21:11:34] ElGranJerry: I mean, flights atm are out of my way $$$ wise. But a roadtrip might work [2015-01-26 21:11:45] ElGranJerry: I just won't cross the whole country to run CT haha :/ [2015-01-26 21:14:29] ElGranJerry: but yeah, I can buy my CT cart now, and a friend has agreed to lend me his SNES [2015-01-26 21:14:51] ElGranJerry: So snes runs soonish I guess [2015-01-26 21:15:38] Redslash: Awesome =) [2015-01-26 21:16:29] ElGranJerry: oh yeah, forgot to mention my cap card got burnt [2015-01-26 21:16:35] ElGranJerry: so I need to get on that as well [2015-01-27 11:10:33] ElGranJerry: Only 55 minutes behind WR on that race DD lmao [2015-01-27 11:16:38] DrunkenDraconian: with practice i could get 20 min or so i think [2015-01-27 11:17:17] ElGranJerry: I will be happy with sub 1 [2015-01-27 11:17:24] ElGranJerry: lmao [2015-01-27 17:06:53] ElGranJerry: anyone has a save state, around the End of Time after RSeries? [2015-01-27 17:07:06] ElGranJerry: I saved over the one I was using for the tutorial yesterday rofl [2015-01-27 17:22:03] Redslash: This is for 1.51-rr... https://www.dropbox.com/s/z270juseyq0ofc3/Chrono%20Trigger%20%28U%29.000?dl=0 [2015-01-27 17:22:16] Redslash: Not sure if you're using that atm tho [2015-01-27 17:22:44] ElGranJerry: cool thx. I was using 1.53, but its no biggie [2015-01-27 17:22:51] ElGranJerry: i will switch [2015-01-27 17:22:53] ElGranJerry: Thanks man :D [2015-01-27 17:23:07] Redslash: Actually it could be compatible, worth a try [2015-01-27 17:23:43] Redslash: Oh the controls are probably switched, just a heads up lol [2015-01-27 17:25:10] ElGranJerry: LMAO [2015-01-27 17:25:22] ElGranJerry: k, thx man [2015-01-27 17:25:29] ElGranJerry: this is funny? [2015-01-27 17:25:35] ElGranJerry: let me recheck it before I tell you [2015-01-27 17:29:10] Redslash: I'm guessing not compatible =) [2015-01-27 17:29:15] ElGranJerry: hmm, so I opened in 1.51 (team in end of time). I opened on 1.53 (team outside of Factory) [2015-01-27 17:29:26] ElGranJerry: Then the 1.53 crash and yeah, it says it's not compatible [2015-01-27 17:29:27] Redslash: Whoa [2015-01-27 17:29:29] ElGranJerry: not on snesx image [2015-01-27 17:30:02] ElGranJerry: That was weird, I have no save in 2300 AD [2015-01-27 17:30:20] ElGranJerry: almost a succesful merge :/ [2015-01-27 17:30:37] Redslash: Maybe the state compression is different between 1.51 and 1.53. Uncompressed might work [2015-01-27 17:31:13] Redslash: They're like 1.5MB files tho [2015-01-27 17:31:44] ElGranJerry: maybe [2015-01-27 17:31:47] ElGranJerry: dude that was super weird [2015-01-27 17:32:18] Redslash: Try that one https://dropbox.com/s/9fxxi1swklqso0l/Chrono%20Trigger%20%28U%29.001?dl=0 [2015-01-27 17:32:38] Redslash: Oh I guess I could test it myself too [2015-01-27 17:32:49] ElGranJerry: Getting dropbox error [2015-01-27 17:32:52] ElGranJerry: on this one [2015-01-27 17:33:04] ElGranJerry: No encontramos lo que buscas. [2015-01-27 17:33:24] Redslash: Oops, may not have finished uploading [2015-01-27 17:33:45] Redslash: Oh wait [2015-01-27 17:34:08] Redslash: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jeibyjcnvl07dp5/Chrono%20Trigger%20%28U%29.001?dl=0 [2015-01-27 17:34:24] ElGranJerry: cool [2015-01-27 17:36:43] ElGranJerry: I will just do this for my saves next time. If it's one I really need I will copy paste it to a different folder and rename it [2015-01-27 17:36:52] ElGranJerry: Then when I need it I can just name it again and use it [2015-01-27 17:37:58] Redslash: Ah yeah, I don't rename the actual state files, but I copy the whole state folder once in a while and rename that [2015-01-27 17:38:11] ElGranJerry: oooh, makes sense [2015-01-27 17:47:22] Redslash: Yeah, I forgot to turn compression on when I started using this emu, so I have like 1GB of states... [2015-01-27 17:47:30] ElGranJerry: omg [2015-01-27 17:47:41] ElGranJerry: Dang [2015-01-27 17:56:47] Redslash: I'll probably start fresh and not switch in-game controls, so I can share more states [2015-01-27 17:57:31] ElGranJerry: It's fine man, not that hard to switch back :) [2015-01-27 17:57:36] Redslash: But by now, run and cancel on the same button feels really weird to me X) [2015-01-27 17:58:19] Redslash: Alright, I mean I'll just change my keyboard mapping instead, easy enough [2015-01-29 22:23:05] Redslash: Nice thing about fighting Flea with Robo is he has way more HP than Marle, never need to worry about getting Frog's HP low enough [2015-02-01 2:39:25] eLmaGus: so you dont have to use twitter [2015-02-01 3:55:56] Nihil922: welcome to the club [2015-02-01 5:07:41] Puwexil: danke [2015-02-01 7:04:18] SnesWarrior: Yo welcome Puwexil! Enjoy your stay [2015-02-01 7:25:34] ElGranJerry: Great idea :) [2015-02-01 7:27:26] ElGranJerry: welcome [2015-02-01 12:57:53] Puwexil: thanks guys :) [2015-02-01 17:51:48] Obdajr: so how current is ottovino's wr for 100% in terms of strats? I wanna start catching up a bit [2015-02-01 20:48:52] ElGranJerry: very current, major optimization after wr being the new Zombor skip and giving the jerky to the lady early [2015-02-01 20:49:17] ElGranJerry: some changes to RNG manip and backups for certain fights like Golem Twins [2015-02-01 20:49:38] ElGranJerry: The route on chrono.wikidot has the latest changes reflected :) [2015-02-02 19:33:31] ElGranJerry: hmmm, apparently doing Hero Grave and getting Taban Suit after that saves 1s over getting the suit before lmao [2015-02-02 19:33:56] ElGranJerry: probably not worth changing the route for [2015-02-02 19:34:05] ElGranJerry: .5-1s [2015-02-02 19:37:46] Redslash: Haha, yeah that's the conclusion I came to as well [2015-02-02 19:41:16] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-02-02 19:41:35] ElGranJerry: Going through the route, will try a run tomorrow [2015-02-02 19:44:30] Redslash: I almost have a no-save Elixir glitch for any%, need to be on D3+ though (normally D1)... so gotta Spincut-Catattack or something [2015-02-02 19:46:17] ElGranJerry: oh sweet [2015-02-02 19:46:35] ElGranJerry: cat attack - spincut you mean for LS final phasE? [2015-02-02 19:46:59] Redslash: Yeah, in place of a Falcon. There might be another way. [2015-02-02 19:47:13] ElGranJerry: I see [2015-02-02 19:47:25] ElGranJerry: well you got some crits stored that might replace that? [2015-02-02 19:47:31] ElGranJerry: Crit + Cat Attack at the end [2015-02-02 19:47:46] ElGranJerry: still a bit short of the FH damade though [2015-02-02 19:54:55] Redslash: The damage is good, you only need 800. Getting first attack to be a crit doesn't look feasible though [2015-02-02 19:57:19] ElGranJerry: :/ [2015-02-02 19:57:41] ElGranJerry: sucks [2015-02-02 20:09:04] Redslash: Yep, ah well... but there's the solution for Any% No S+Q [2015-02-02 20:10:05] Redslash: Route ends up not changing much at all, lol. Few extra run aways in Heckran Cave, depending on your Alkaline fight [2015-02-02 20:13:54] ElGranJerry: oh sweet, interesting [2015-02-02 20:14:24] Puwexil: does any% no s+q allow stuff like yakra skip? [2015-02-02 20:15:23] Redslash: Nope, wouldn't get save-anywhere at all [2015-02-02 20:15:39] Puwexil: wow, interesting [2015-02-02 20:24:48] ElGranJerry: can't even sabe so if you die say to golem twins it's gg [2015-02-02 20:24:52] ElGranJerry: Happened to DD once :( [2015-02-02 20:24:59] ElGranJerry: save* [2015-02-02 20:25:06] ElGranJerry: in 100% that is [2015-02-02 20:26:45] Redslash: Golem Twins are bad. I wonder how much a speedtab on Lucca would help there [2015-02-02 20:27:40] Redslash: I also forgot about the 3 speedtabs in Black Omen for Lucca. Can skip one of those at least, if you go for Geno Dome tab [2015-02-02 20:30:22] ElGranJerry: hmm, could probably help a lot [2015-02-02 20:30:50] ElGranJerry: for that fight [2015-02-02 20:45:17] DrunkenDraconian: golem twins are easy with pussy strats :P [2015-02-02 20:48:26] DrunkenDraconian: big snow day in my city tomorrow, mgiht go for active ATB durdles [2015-02-02 21:00:26] Redslash: Nice, DD [2015-02-02 21:00:58] Redslash: I should get some playthroughs going, at least to practice... even though I've made no progress on LSS [2015-02-02 21:05:24] Redslash: Driving me kinda nuts tbh, but maybe the cure for that is to play the game [2015-02-02 21:11:37] Redslash: Anyhow, catch you guys tomorrow =) [2015-02-02 21:12:26] ElGranJerry: cya man, gnight [2015-02-03 0:48:29] eLmaGus: please its worth changing the route for 1s, get on it [2015-02-03 7:06:59] SnesWarrior: Hey Red, for the no s+q elixir glitch what damage number takes place with Crono? I'd like to test it out, because elixir glitches can vary on VC. Might not need to add a spincut/cat attack, or it has a possibility of being even later down on the string which would suck. [2015-02-03 7:07:10] SnesWarrior: *on Crono, rather [2015-02-03 10:50:17] Redslash: Works with 2047, 2045, 2036, 2041... values D3-FF all seem to play out the same- wait for Ayla to get hit by the lightning bolt, then Frog attack [2015-02-03 11:02:57] SnesWarrior: Awesome, interesting stuff. In a normal any% if I dont proc a miss with crono during the last hits on shell I get 2045 always with my strats so this might be neat. You have to get a 2050 on VC for the one we did before. Hopefully this one doesn't need tweaking. [2015-02-03 11:25:05] Redslash: Wait whoa~! I forgot I already solved D1, last week. Probably more excited about the mash load and didn't write it down. So if you get 2037, need to attack right bit with Crono quickly, wait for Lavos, then Frog attack (center) [2015-02-03 11:27:24] Redslash: I remember now I was really tired when I found that, trying out Berserker and stuff [2015-02-03 11:38:14] SnesWarrior: That's awesome dude, so early is taken care of, and normal/late are both pretty much the same method. Good stuff. Is early faster than a S+Q still? Or would that be single segment strats only? (Though i suppose if you risked it in any% and it was early it'd be faster to just continue rather than reload anyways) [2015-02-03 11:45:54] Redslash: The early one where Crono has to attack, I believe it's still ~3 seconds faster than reloading [2015-02-03 11:46:14] SnesWarrior: Bleh, ok, i only have a save after shell, so a D3-FF load would be the 7.5 flea backup right? [2015-02-03 11:46:20] SnesWarrior: (Sorry I suck at hex =P ) [2015-02-03 11:50:13] SnesWarrior: Or.. it looks like it'd be 7.5-8.0 i think. I'm looking at http://pastebin.com/W8ckby5h but I'm thinking you made another rng chart that I guess I didn't bookmark >< [2015-02-03 11:57:01] SnesWarrior: Yo!! Awesome, just tested 2045, works perfect on VC [2015-02-03 11:57:04] Redslash: There's an up-to-date one on the wiki. But no, this is actually another weird half-window case, like the "61-72" window from before [2015-02-03 11:57:23] Redslash: Nice, right on~ [2015-02-03 11:57:53] SnesWarrior: Ah I see, I counted to 12 and got it first try luckily, and my counts are close to half-seconds I guess [2015-02-03 11:59:12] SnesWarrior: Also, that lightning bolt doing 4k+, get rekt Ayla [2015-02-03 12:02:01] Redslash: Ha ha, yup [2015-02-04 0:34:23] Puwexil: guessing fadeout to skip the masamune powerup cutscene in 100% has been tried and doesn't work? [2015-02-04 0:46:35] Redslash: Yeah, don't think there's a way to skip it. That's definitely a long one too... [2015-02-04 0:49:28] Redslash: The first time you talk to the carpenter to do repairs, you can fade him to save a few seconds ~ [2015-02-04 0:52:01 | Edited 1:00:35] Redslash: Oh yeah, you might try this trick, it removes the need to mash B during fadeouts... if you press Start+B you exit the menu first possible frame (if you hold it the whole time, you see only black) [2015-02-04 0:53:31] Redslash: It might be a little awkward, but I think it also helps a bit with getting better timed fadeouts [2015-02-04 17:26:21] ElGranJerry: rip OoT [2015-02-05 0:33:24] Puwexil: [Wednesday, February 04, 2015 0:51] Redslash: [2015-02-05 0:33:24] Puwexil: <<< Oh yeah, you might try this trick, it removes the need to mash B during fadeouts... if you press Start+B you exit the menu first possible frame (if you hold it the whole time, you see only black)is there a recommended grip for doing that or is it just personal preference? [2015-02-05 0:34:06] Puwexil: so far I've mostly been using my forefinger for B and my middle finger for X during fadeouts, but that doesn't give me much of a way to press start unless I use my left hand [2015-02-05 0:41:41] Redslash: Forefinger on Start and ring on B, using middle for X, would be similar to what I do [2015-02-05 0:42:33] Redslash: I use switched controls (and run on L) so I have it a bit different [2015-02-05 0:45:50] Puwexil: I'll give that a try - it's decently comfortable if I tilt the controller a bit away [2015-02-05 0:47:05] Puwexil: using left forefinger for start and index for d-pad might work too, if I can hit diagonals reliably enough [2015-02-05 0:48:11] SnesWarrior: Yo, found a seemingly pointless glitch. You can open your item menu during the melchoir masamune forging cutscene. (you can also open your swap menu), and if you stick Marle in place of Robo, the game forces to call on Marle's text, and since she has none for that moment in time, she queues her dialogue for when melchoir isn't there. Longer text, still calls on the normal forge text too, but skips the masamune from ever showing up. [2015-02-05 0:50:10] Redslash: Ha ha, I saw that for the first time ever on Essentia's stream tonight. She found the Masamune forging thing in the first place so I suppose she's played with that quite a bit =) [2015-02-05 0:50:48] Puwexil: yeah, I remember seeing her showing it to obda at SGDQ a while back [2015-02-05 0:51:39] SnesWarrior: Nice, looks like I shoulda been watching essentia stream =P [2015-02-05 0:55:40] SnesWarrior: Hmm, if you did the back in time glitch.. i wonder what text the game would call if you had magus or ayla in the party? no dialogue? or something special? =o [2015-02-05 1:00:25] Redslash: Aw man... that'd be fun to try. I didn't catch all of what happened either, I need to see it again.. [2015-02-05 1:01:07] SnesWarrior: Did essentia swap chars "during" the cutscene or during the fadeout when the screen turns white then black? [2015-02-05 1:01:41] Puwexil: she used the front door instead of the stairs, and switched while outside [2015-02-05 1:02:29] SnesWarrior: Ahh ok, what im doing is a little different then, its swapping the chars for the cutscene after the forge. [2015-02-05 1:04:26 | Edited 1:04:55] SnesWarrior: So Lucca or Robo is needed to actually "show off" the forged masamune. Since Marle can't do that, but shes swapped into the position of the character who is suppose to show it off (Lucca/Robo) it forces the closest relevant textbox for her... so i'd assume some sort of dialogue would get called from Magus, etc [2015-02-05 1:04:36] SnesWarrior: or a softlock =P [2015-02-05 1:05:58] SnesWarrior: It might actually depend on whether you get the masamune in your inventory after the downstairs cutscene, or during the "showing off" cutscene [2015-02-05 1:06:25] SnesWarrior: Would anyone happen to have a back-in-time savestate? =) [2015-02-05 1:06:58] Redslash: I'm not even sure of where that Marle text naturally occurs, heh... [2015-02-05 1:07:30] SnesWarrior: It's when you visit Melchoir, but you haven't talked to frog or tata yet. Pretty sure [2015-02-05 1:07:49] SnesWarrior: So melchoir isn't there for you to get the red rock hint [2015-02-05 1:09:44] Redslash: I can't imagine "needing Melchior" until you've got the hilt from Frog, and I think that has to come last... maybe I'm misremembering how muddled that chapter of the game could get [2015-02-05 1:11:34] Redslash: I wish I had a later state, I just have Otta's smv of setting up the Factory [2015-02-05 1:12:44] SnesWarrior: Im guessing the smv doesn't have any later party members in it [2015-02-05 1:23:45] Redslash: I was almost clever, but can't find the bit to toggle for that cutscene [2015-02-05 1:27:23] SnesWarrior: It's cool, maybe Otta has a smv or something we can snag from him when he wakes up. [2015-02-05 1:29:08] SnesWarrior: It's not like it'd do anything relevant anyways, but it would be neat if it forced some strange Magus dialogue, like before fighting Frog or something, lol [2015-02-05 1:32:22] Redslash: Or, you know, it calls the textbox that gives you the Greendream... Kappa [2015-02-05 1:32:41] Redslash: I doubt it's coded that badly but... dang... doesn't hurt to look [2015-02-05 1:33:38] SnesWarrior: Haha, in before "If my fate is to die here... I must simply laugh" "THE END" trigger [2015-02-05 1:34:11] Redslash: Yeah!! Lol... [2015-02-05 1:34:28] Redslash: This's the best part, getting our hopes up X) [2015-02-05 1:34:42] SnesWarrior: It always is =P [2015-02-05 1:34:56] Redslash: But we gotta check literally everything using back-in-time now, heh heh [2015-02-05 1:36:30] SnesWarrior: Sadly i've never played with it at all. I'm sure it has a lot of side affects during cutscenes, like the prehistoric party and stuff. [2015-02-05 1:41:19] SnesWarrior: Dang, tried looking up DD's run of Magus vs. Magus but it only has the magus fight highlight. darn you twitch and limited past broadcasts... [2015-02-05 1:42:45] Redslash: Ahh yeah. And new streamers don't know you need to turn em on, I don't like that either [2015-02-05 1:43:56] Redslash: I'm thinking I need to thoroughly reread the Tasvideos thread, I think I skimmed a lot last time when I went through it [2015-02-05 1:52:29] SnesWarrior: Oh yeah, since your here, I tried my hand at trying to route prehistory elixir today, and couldn't even find the dang thing through trial and error. What hole puts you in the correct room that leads towards the elixir? >< [2015-02-05 1:53:59 | Edited 1:54:18] SnesWarrior: Though looking at the time it can take for first digs in general it looks like it may not be worth doing unless you've got a really sick time already. [2015-02-05 1:54:20] Redslash: Oh, you go top right, then once you're down the hole you have to wait for one of the two weevils to dig again [2015-02-05 1:54:52] SnesWarrior: Hmm, ok, so the one that leads to the mid-ether then I think [2015-02-05 1:55:14] Redslash: Or unless you can manipulate them to dig faster than they would normally, which I have had limited success with [2015-02-05 1:55:32] Redslash: I.e. I don't know how it works, but sometimes it does =P [2015-02-05 1:56:23] SnesWarrior: Yeah, i remembered you mentioning that and tried it out, particularly in the room with the mid-ether, that im guessing led to the elixir. He wouldn't dig for me at all which would explain why i never found it [2015-02-05 1:56:40] SnesWarrior: I found it wierd that you couldn't manipulate the top weevils movement and only the bottom [2015-02-05 1:58:18] Redslash: If I recall, there's 2 places you can enter the Midether room, you can land up above the Weevils or down in the bottom left [2015-02-05 1:58:44] Redslash: And I think landing above means it won't dig, have to be below... [2015-02-05 1:59:01] SnesWarrior: Ahh, now that would make some sense. [2015-02-06 7:04:48] Ottavino: just testing the swap character after the forge, putting marle instead of lucca saves ~1s, with less text for marle at melchior's hut and at the end of frog's cutscene [2015-02-06 7:12:58] Ottavino: .smv file here if you want: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwYWQ0XzRKOVI1Wnc/view?usp=sharing [2015-02-06 10:02:57] SnesWarrior: Woohoo! 1 second, thank you Ottavino =) I didn't think about the text when bringing her to Frog. [2015-02-06 10:18:36] SnesWarrior: Oh and Ottavino, we found out that if you switch Marle in place of Robo/Lucca during that scene, she says dialogue from when Melchoir isn't there. We were wondering if Magus or another party member would say something really weird if put in that position. Would you happen to have a back-in-time glitch smv or savestate to test that out with? [2015-02-06 10:35:06] DrunkenDraconian: can't you game genie him in to see? [2015-02-06 10:39:12] SnesWarrior: Probably, never used one in my life tho. Depending on how the text gets summoned it might change what happens. Unsure on that since we don't know exactly how the programming grabs what text to use. [2015-02-06 17:25:35] Ottavino: I think you can't repair the masamune with the back in time glitch, because melchoir's text is at end game [2015-02-06 21:43:12] Puwexil: for the 3x scouter battles before golem twins, how do I get back out after pressing the switch? [2015-02-06 21:45:46] ElGranJerry: ok so, touch the switch without triggering the fight (a bit to the sides) [2015-02-06 21:46:05] ElGranJerry: Then when you click the switch walk down, hold right (or left) and when you're past them run down [2015-02-06 21:46:11] ElGranJerry: the key is walking [2015-02-06 21:48:10] ElGranJerry: ^ will [2015-02-06 21:48:15] Puwexil: that's more or less what I've been trying (enter room, step to right, move up and get forced onto the bridge) [2015-02-06 21:48:53] Puwexil: getting to the switch every time, but when I try to get back out, even if step down and walk right to be on the last pixel, I still get stuck against the scouter as it splits [2015-02-06 21:49:24] ElGranJerry: hmm [2015-02-06 21:49:45] ElGranJerry: try hugging the right wall before walking down [2015-02-06 21:50:08] ElGranJerry: It can be tricky but the walking part makes you be able to get past it [2015-02-06 21:51:01] Will: sup [2015-02-06 21:51:08] Will: hi fellas [2015-02-06 21:51:21] Redslash: Yes, you can really take your time. Once you're far enough to the left/right, then run down (might even trigger the fight as you're transitioning) [2015-02-06 21:51:33] Redslash: Will hype, what's up man [2015-02-06 21:51:36] ElGranJerry: ^^ [2015-02-06 21:51:38] ElGranJerry: Welcome [2015-02-06 21:51:58] Puwexil: got it - wiggling the d-pad a bit after getting stuck let me break out and then run [2015-02-06 21:52:00] Puwexil: thx guys [2015-02-06 21:52:58] ElGranJerry: cool, glad you got it :) [2015-02-06 21:53:13] ElGranJerry: Those fight skips are honestly IMO the hardest skips in 100% [2015-02-06 21:55:31] Puwexil: are they both the same for hitboxes? [2015-02-06 21:55:53] Puwexil: I'm having a harder time getting the east one [2015-02-06 21:56:11] ElGranJerry: hmm yeah I think they are the same [2015-02-06 21:56:20] ElGranJerry: I have a harder time getting the west one :/ [2015-02-06 22:17:32] Puwexil: it's feeling like the hitbox is looser on the right side for the west one and the left side for the east one [2015-02-06 22:17:43] Puwexil: getting stuck less easily going those directions [2015-02-06 22:33:03] ElGranJerry: oh I see, never thought of it that way [2015-02-06 22:33:07] ElGranJerry: gotta try it out [2015-02-06 23:09:04] Redslash: That's interesting, I've had success sticking to the "inside", but I figured it was more psychological X) [2015-02-07 0:42:54] Puwexil: masamume powerup cutscene doggedly refuses to be skipped [2015-02-07 0:43:31] Puwexil: guessing it's because the game doesn't check if frog is in your party and it should trigger the cutscene until after you've closed the text box from examining cyrus' grave [2015-02-07 1:57:40] Will: Jerry, this is gonna sound nuts but I want to do a TAS of this game. [2015-02-07 18:47:26] SnesWarrior: So, just discovered why some of us might have more trouble with R-Series than others. [2015-02-07 18:48:32] SnesWarrior: I dunno how big the window is, but there is a battle value where it is 100% impossible to beat R-series with 4 cyclones, or 4 cyclones and flame toss/normal attack. [2015-02-07 18:48:55] SnesWarrior: Window starts at "10" [2015-02-07 18:51:32] SnesWarrior: Or if you were in an actual run, the R-series attack you in this order, and that signals the bad RNG: Crono- 32dmg, 30dmg, 31dmg. [2015-02-07 18:54:03] SnesWarrior: You might could find a way to win by throwing in a Crono attack somewhere but after trying a bunch of combinations that don't involve that I gave up. =P [2015-02-07 19:11:19] Will: interesting [2015-02-07 19:20:35] Will: will probably throw up a hangout/tas editing stream soon [2015-02-07 20:56:12] Will: hey, in the beginning, does anyone know the trigger box for the candy dialogue? in another words, I'd like to skip it [2015-02-07 21:08:11] SnesWarrior: I think you just dodge it by going up-right, up-left. I heard it was frame perfect so you gotta be really precise. Might be worth it to google a New Game Plus run and watch how they do it. [2015-02-07 21:10:05] SnesWarrior: Actually lol, here you go, https://secure.twitch.tv/redslash/v/50244768 [2015-02-07 21:12:21] Will: trying to recreat it in TAS [2015-02-07 21:13:06] Will: up-right, pause, up-left [2015-02-07 21:13:17] Will: any reason for the pause? [2015-02-07 21:14:33] SnesWarrior: I think that was RTA, since its frame perfect he had a 1/60 window to hit. Might be diff on J. Not for sure. [2015-02-07 21:18:00] Will: yeah, timing is super strict. couldn't even hit it with programmed input [2015-02-07 21:18:43] SnesWarrior: Yep, frame perfect is as hard as it gets lol [2015-02-07 21:21:37] Will: I wish Inichi or even Keylie was on irc so I can bug em [2015-02-07 21:24:29] Will: I don't know how you could use this but [2015-02-07 21:25:16] Will: you have 3 frames after the last character prints in a dialogue to close the window. I know there's a faster way (TAS) [2015-02-07 21:27:10] DrunkenDraconian: I'd imagine candy skip is the same as heckran and captain and yackra. the pause is like release B trick, getting that extra frame of movement [2015-02-07 21:28:52] DrunkenDraconian: any time i've done it on console the pause is done with d-pad though [2015-02-07 21:29:04] DrunkenDraconian: not release b [2015-02-07 21:29:57] Redslash: Yeah, it isn't frame perfect... 0xa101 did it at AGDQ '14, hah [2015-02-07 21:31:14] SnesWarrior: That's good to know then, dunno why I thought it was [2015-02-07 21:31:20] Redslash: I'm interested also in whatever you learn about textboxes =0 [2015-02-07 21:32:31] Will: yeah, seems like across the game, 3 frames after the last char print is the close window. menuing can be done in 2 frame pairs. I know this is humanly possible! [2015-02-07 21:34:01] Will: also, run gives crono some weird momentum. i just noticed that [2015-02-07 21:41:23] Puwexil: isn't candy skip useless outside of NG+ because you get the cutscene when you come back? [2015-02-07 21:43:00] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, in theory it saves some movement, like 2-5 tiles [2015-02-07 22:00:50] Will: Redslash, this is a long shot but, is there some resources for character/encounter hitboxes? [2015-02-07 22:02:06] Will: are* [2015-02-07 22:03:04] Will: nevermind, got it [2015-02-07 22:16:48] Redslash: You got one? [2015-02-07 22:17:07] Redslash: Because I'm not aware one exists [2015-02-07 22:24:49] Will: working on one [2015-02-07 22:51:39] Will: it's going to be rough and will need testing [2015-02-07 23:13:10] Will: I have some memory addresses to look for that trigger enemy battles [2015-02-07 23:15:56] Will: some gee whiz knowledge if you're interested [2015-02-08 0:29:08] Redslash: Ye. I've only found x,y coordinates for enemies, no size information, but I wonder if their sizes are always 1 tile square [2015-02-08 0:31:16] Will: that's the impression I'm getting [2015-02-08 0:31:56] Will: what do you mean by x,y coordinates? [2015-02-08 0:32:20] Will: I'm looking at events and see enemy spawn x,y coordinates, but not much in the way of tiles that trigger them [2015-02-08 0:33:37] Redslash: What needs to be reconciled is how you can run past a sprite very near to them, but when directly approach them you can't get that near. So Crono's hitbox works in a unique way. [2015-02-08 0:35:06] Redslash: Would be related to how you can stand still and have enemies walk all around you, and only movement can trigger them [2015-02-08 0:39:28] Will: I think there's a few things that happen in that situation [2015-02-08 0:41:55] Will: I'm scrubbing through the events and I don't see any events that check priority [2015-02-08 0:42:22] Will: but there are around I suppose 15 memory locations it checks for data [2015-02-08 0:43:25] Will: and there are events that coordinate placement of enemies once triggered [2015-02-08 0:46:15] Redslash: I think I can say at least, there's no enemies that trigger without you moving into them [2015-02-08 0:46:52] Redslash: That might be bold, but standing in Truce Canyon between the guys kicking the Roly, I'm pretty comfortable saying it [2015-02-08 0:47:02] Will: I believe ya [2015-02-08 0:53:03 | Edited 0:53:29] Redslash: I already think I'm wrong =) But that's the vast majority, and I'm really curious because the coding must be very simple, it's just with my limited experience I can't imagine what it looks like [2015-02-08 0:57:51] Will: I'm trying to find that text file [2015-02-08 1:02:32] Redslash: Maybe you'd be down to check out 7E1010-1040 sometime, the "object script processing"... I feel that manipulating some of those cycles into phase must be the key to LSS, but it's a bit overwhelming X) [2015-02-08 1:06:48] Will: yes, I'm down for that [2015-02-08 1:07:27] Will: 7F021X is the address checked for pretty much all enemy encounters [2015-02-08 1:11:44] Will: http://imgur.com/iOA6WTZ [2015-02-08 1:15:02] Redslash: You posted this? [2015-02-08 1:17:00] Will: yeah [2015-02-08 1:17:25] Will: this is an example of a controller object [2015-02-08 1:17:57] Will: and how flux details enemies [2015-02-08 1:17:57] Will: http://imgur.com/sDM41IU [2015-02-08 1:20:47] Redslash: That CT font tho, it's too good [2015-02-08 1:21:13] Will: oh snap, I forgot I had that [2015-02-08 1:21:22] Redslash: I never had a lot of success with Flux, but I should check it out again X) [2015-02-08 1:22:09] Will: I don't feel it's complete [2015-02-08 1:22:33] Will: however, it's nice to use [2015-02-08 1:25:08] Will: also, something I looked into is the cutscene for 600 AD in the imp house with the edible cake [2015-02-08 1:27:00] Will: "medina portal" that's it! [2015-02-08 1:28:57] Will: ah well, nevermind [2015-02-08 1:52:00] Will: I exported all the events but they were exported in the wrong order. [2015-02-08 1:52:08] Will: ***** (devil) [2015-02-08 3:46:46] SnesWarrior: Okay... finally done. There were quite a few more fights for R-Series than I anticipated. I may have missed some, but I don't think there could possibly be many more. But this should help a lot for single segment as kind of a base concept. If anyone wants to point out weird stuff or correct anything feel free. If there is more than one pair of 3 attacks its because you can get that many different results depending on what frame you input your first cyclone. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cm33sSu5vgpJkzik5BflWifVFAf3YzkKXu8Ow706xV8/pub [2015-02-08 3:51:26] SnesWarrior: Will probably use that to generalize some basic rules on when and when not to go for 4 cyclone, since its way too much to remember. If someone wants to go ahead and attempt to organize some of it please do. [2015-02-08 12:20:22] SnesWarrior: New and Improved with colors representing the things to look out for https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cm33sSu5vgpJkzik5BflWifVFAf3YzkKXu8Ow706xV8/pub [2015-02-08 17:04:23 | Edited 17:05:13] Redslash: That is some great work, SW. So basically the whole ED-34 range is problematic and requires attention... I was experimenting with Alkalines a bit and could only catch the end of 5C-66 by doing a perfect all greens fight, so I think we're rather safe from that one. As long as you don't get any extra encounters, ED is pretty hard to reach too [2015-02-08 17:09:42] Redslash: 9E-B2 kinda corresponds to a slow fight, actually. That's probably the danger right there [2015-02-08 17:13:30] SnesWarrior: Thanks man, I'm just happy theres actually so many good patterns to pick up on. That way we don't have to get really specific with memorizing stuff.. you could pretty much just memorize the Color rules and be done with it. Also it's great that 4 cyclones works as many times as it does. [2015-02-08 17:16:17] Redslash: Yeah absolutely. I'd say based on this, you don't need to consider the atk/Flametoss unless you get an extra encounter [2015-02-08 17:17:21] SnesWarrior: I probably could have been more efficient time-wise if I knew the windows by heart, instead I actually save stated at the menu and went 1 frame at a time and hit every change in 7ED00 or whatever it is [2015-02-08 17:17:45] SnesWarrior: And yeah, or a super slow Acid/Alk fight, which I sadly get pretty often. I always get low damage rolls =/ [2015-02-08 17:18:28] Redslash: This might be obvious, but the sooner you reduce the number of slimes from 5 to 4 to 3, etc (instead of spreading out the damage), the better. That's because the more slimes on screen the more the battle value is increasing every second [2015-02-08 17:19:20] SnesWarrior: Totally did not pick up on that, that is some good information.. lol [2015-02-08 17:19:34] Redslash: When there's one left it doesn't increase at all, except from attacks. With 5 it's like 6 per second just from them roving around [2015-02-08 17:22:29] Redslash: Yeah that's something I noticed for the first time today. Also, the windows for battles where you have 1 or 2 characters are a bit different from the battles with 3 characters. I could've given those to you, but your results are surprising in a few places, looks like you found some half-windows [2015-02-08 17:25:15] SnesWarrior: Yeah that was kind of an experiment. I wanted to see if any of the battles actually felt different any different depending on the value it landed on within that window. I figured there mighta been quite a few that may not even have a chance at appearing. [2015-02-08 17:27:01] SnesWarrior: What I found cool is if you look at the ones with 3 outcomes. If you opened the menu on the first couple frames, there attack pattern would be an exact mirrror [2015-02-08 17:27:11] SnesWarrior: Happened on like two or three of them iirc [2015-02-08 18:28:32] Will: watching puwexil get into the birdbell encounter in denadoro mtn made me think.. the tile he ran into I think was in the event list [2015-02-08 20:00:29] ElGranJerry: renaming Epoch wouldn't save time I guess [2015-02-08 20:00:55] ElGranJerry: I think Magus might not be worth it either but idk. Will check it out [2015-02-08 20:13:28] Will: the millennium fair candy scene skip is moot it seems. for some odd reason I thought you could skip it twice in tas. [2015-02-08 20:13:59] ElGranJerry: unfortunately not man, triggers on the 1st frame on the way back [2015-02-08 20:28:11] DrunkenDraconian: but it does save frames [2015-02-08 20:28:24] DrunkenDraconian: like 12 of em [2015-02-09 9:16:36] DrunkenDraconian: so for son of sun, the real flame is based on battle rng? [2015-02-09 18:19:34] ElGranJerry: DA CHOKES [2015-02-09 18:19:38] ElGranJerry: lmao [2015-02-09 18:52:17] Will: um jerry [2015-02-09 18:52:31] Will: is it possible to skip the teleporter demo in the beginning? [2015-02-09 18:54:16] Puwexil: you don't have to get into the teleporter yourself if that's what you're asking [2015-02-09 18:54:25] Puwexil: you talk to lucca and then marle [2015-02-09 18:55:17] Will: oh gotcha [2015-02-09 18:57:40] Will: thanks man, didn' tknow that [2015-02-09 19:06:43] ElGranJerry: 1:52:30 Magus, lmao 1:51 is def possible [2015-02-09 19:06:54] ElGranJerry: golded almost everything cause of the renaming characters I guess [2015-02-11 8:33:54] ElGranJerry: Why not put Robo in our team for the 4 Juggler fight and do RocketRoll? [2015-02-11 8:34:43] Puwexil: if that does enough that crono/frog can kill with non-criticals, sounds good [2015-02-11 8:35:49] ElGranJerry: would prolly mess up the rng though, going to play around with it. Also see if Lucca is greatly affected by losing that xp and tp [2015-02-11 8:36:56 | Edited 8:37:25] Puwexil: use lucca for flea? [2015-02-11 8:39:49] ElGranJerry: Flea gives only 2 tp less so maybe [2015-02-11 8:40:15] ElGranJerry: for 100% that might be a choice, gotta see if it does enough damage 1st though + maybe messes up the double TPs, etc... [2015-02-11 8:41:50] Puwexil: flea is 500XP, 10TP according to the chrono wiki [2015-02-11 8:42:32] Puwexil: 4x juggler is 512XP, 12TP [2015-02-11 8:57:45] ElGranJerry: yeah it doesn't work :/ [2015-02-11 8:57:51] ElGranJerry: you get hit a couple of times [2015-02-11 8:58:00] ElGranJerry: rocket roll deals 260ish [2015-02-11 8:58:43] Puwexil: equipping magic scarf an option? [2015-02-11 8:58:57] ElGranJerry: crono already has it on [2015-02-11 8:58:59] Puwexil: k [2015-02-11 9:00:30] ElGranJerry: laserspin doesn't work either RIP [2015-02-11 9:00:36] ElGranJerry: best attack in the game goes unused [2015-02-11 11:53:00] ElGranJerry: Is there anyway to delete a thread on SDA? [2015-02-11 11:53:12] ElGranJerry: I created one but apparently it got posted twice [2015-02-11 11:54:16] ElGranJerry: not apparently, it created it twice lol [2015-02-11 11:54:47] Nihil922: its so awesome it deserves doubble threads (cool) [2015-02-11 11:56:59] ElGranJerry: lol [2015-02-11 12:00:11] ElGranJerry: (cool) [2015-02-14 17:34:53] Will: hold up jerry, I'm going to punch in a quick tas for more accurate time readings on the renaming lucca thing [2015-02-14 18:52:40] Will: renaming lucca to one-blank space vs. a 5-character name saves 12f everytime it's printed on screen [2015-02-14 18:54:00] Will: time reference MOM:_ takes 1f per character printed on screen [2015-02-15 15:51:22] ElGranJerry: Any ideas on what messed up my rng for Black Tyranno? [2015-02-15 15:52:10] ElGranJerry: Did the different fights in Magus castle /aka extra hits have something to do? [2015-02-15 15:52:32] ElGranJerry: Or does it has something to do with me opening the menu during the 2 flying thing fight in Dactyls nest [2015-02-15 15:54:30] SnesWarrior: I don't think you messed anything up before the fight itself. Tyranno or Azala might have just gotten an attack inbetween your inputs where they normally wouldnt. That normally changes their attack pattern [2015-02-15 15:56:01] ElGranJerry: oh, I meant for the crits sorry [2015-02-15 15:56:04] ElGranJerry: the ayla crits [2015-02-15 15:56:45] Redslash: Likely you ended Magus on 0C instead of 0D, which is easy to do. You can watch the Dactyl's movement to tell you which you got [2015-02-15 15:56:51] Redslash: Don't need to be fast when running from them [2015-02-15 15:57:01] eLmaGus: dun dun dun [2015-02-15 15:57:07] ElGranJerry: :/ [2015-02-15 15:57:13] ElGranJerry: I need to practice that then [2015-02-15 15:57:17] ElGranJerry: I can't take that shit lol [2015-02-15 15:57:17] eLmaGus: i think they are supposed to be looking left and coming at you [2015-02-15 15:57:20] eLmaGus: if you are on the right shit [2015-02-15 15:57:30] SnesWarrior: ah, yeah, thats the danger of being too quick on the magus fight [2015-02-15 15:57:35] eLmaGus: correct me if im wrong [2015-02-15 15:57:54] SnesWarrior: Yep, and they tend to stack on one another [2015-02-15 15:57:59] Redslash: And if you're on the early one, I believe that is Ayla atk, then both Crono and Marle attack, then Ayla will crit [2015-02-15 15:58:11] ElGranJerry: Ah k [2015-02-15 15:59:31] Redslash: Also, when's no reload elixir glitch? ; ) [2015-02-15 15:59:59] eLmaGus: you have to show him how to do it in a marathon setting first ;) [2015-02-15 16:00:34] ElGranJerry: Is it possible? I remember it just being a thouhght? [2015-02-15 16:00:38] ElGranJerry: Or am I dumb [2015-02-15 16:00:42] eLmaGus: i thought it was a thing now [2015-02-15 16:00:54] eLmaGus: like i saw sneswarrior and redslash talking like its a thing in both versions [2015-02-15 16:01:33] Redslash: That was a really funny night, Jerry tweeted it and said "Redslash for president" in IRC [2015-02-15 16:01:40] Redslash: And then we promptly forgot all about it [2015-02-15 16:01:46] Redslash: I remembered it like a week later, lol [2015-02-15 16:02:23] ElGranJerry: Oooooh yeahhh [2015-02-15 16:02:30] eLmaGus: btw any objections on adding essentia? if she wants to that is, since she will have a couple of questions in the upcoming weeks i assume [2015-02-15 16:02:31] ElGranJerry: Lmao [2015-02-15 16:02:41] ElGranJerry: Dude add it to the route? [2015-02-15 16:03:18] ElGranJerry: I bonestly dont remember thow to do that [2015-02-15 16:03:26] ElGranJerry: No objections here [2015-02-15 16:03:31] Redslash: Sure, I'll add it [2015-02-15 16:03:39] Redslash: And yeah, invite her if she'd like =) [2015-02-15 16:03:50] eLmaGus: i'll just add her, dunno if she uses skype much [2015-02-15 16:05:11] eLmaGus: well im smart [2015-02-15 16:05:14] eLmaGus: i dont even have her on skype [2015-02-15 16:05:15] eLmaGus: HEH [2015-02-15 16:05:24] ElGranJerry: :) Thanks red. Sorry I forgot about that haha :/ [2015-02-15 16:10:06] Redslash: It's all good =) [2015-02-15 16:14:34] Redslash: That was a great run Jerry. Don't even be embarrassed about the Desert, that was a powerful demonstration of how much the RNG matters [2015-02-15 16:15:06] eLmaGus: yup actually kind of fortunate [2015-02-15 16:15:09] Redslash: I really forgot how deadly those guys are [2015-02-15 16:15:18] eLmaGus: because people realized that RNG manip is very tricky [2015-02-15 16:15:27] eLmaGus: Sunken Desert is the worst man [2015-02-15 16:15:42] ElGranJerry: dude I kept missing [2015-02-15 16:15:45] ElGranJerry: and they killed in 2 shots [2015-02-15 16:15:48] ElGranJerry: it was brutal [2015-02-15 16:15:56] ElGranJerry: but yeah I know, SD is the worst [2015-02-15 16:16:01] ElGranJerry: I blame SW new start [2015-02-15 16:16:06] ElGranJerry: JK [2015-02-15 16:16:08] ElGranJerry: my b [2015-02-15 16:21:48] Redslash: Oh yes and thanks for the shoutouts too, lol [2015-02-15 16:22:10] Redslash: Who was running the SRC channel, posting in the chat? [2015-02-15 16:22:21] ElGranJerry: Domey [2015-02-15 16:22:29] ElGranJerry: gamerdomey [2015-02-15 16:30:14] Redslash: I'm also gonna put noob Desert load in the route: 1.5-2.1 and miss Bird skip =P [2015-02-15 16:33:51] Ottavino: sunken desert load is safe with the two saves scrolling tech [2015-02-15 16:40:02] Redslash: No one believes in science =( [2015-02-15 16:40:12] Redslash: I just need to make a tutorial for it. Or do more runs. [2015-02-15 16:40:28] eLmaGus: i have never seen or read about that load [2015-02-15 16:40:41] eLmaGus: so either i am completley ignorant or nobody has done it on stream [2015-02-15 16:40:42] ElGranJerry: Same [2015-02-15 16:40:51] eLmaGus: 1 is probably the right option here [2015-02-15 16:40:56] ElGranJerry: But I trust red on this [2015-02-15 16:42:17] Redslash: Yeah we're just talking about the scrolling technique [2015-02-15 16:42:41 | Edited 16:42:58] Redslash: But that 1.5-2.1 load is there too. It's slow though so it's not a serious one. [2015-02-15 16:50:53 | Edited 16:51:22] Ottavino: i used this tech (the two saves scrolling) in my pb [2015-02-15 16:53:09] ElGranJerry: I dont feel comfortable with scrolling but probably ita cause Ive never practiced it [2015-02-15 16:54:13] eLmaGus: well dude [2015-02-15 16:54:24] eLmaGus: honestly i think everybody should have "his" method of doing things [2015-02-15 16:54:30] eLmaGus: because i cant watch a timer for example to load [2015-02-15 16:54:34] eLmaGus: literally impossible [2015-02-15 16:54:40] eLmaGus: whereas for you that works [2015-02-15 16:54:46] eLmaGus: its just a matter of practice + confidence [2015-02-15 16:57:36] Redslash: Please don't steal my method Kappa [2015-02-15 16:59:21] eLmaGus: i mean im using 2 "methods" basically [2015-02-15 16:59:26] eLmaGus: the "feel" load and scrolling [2015-02-15 16:59:36] eLmaGus: basically what i practiced most [2015-02-15 17:00:37] Redslash: Right on [2015-02-15 17:01:26] Redslash: I mean, I did the calculations so I'm content with that. Don't care a whole lot that people use it, unless they try it and it helps [2015-02-15 17:01:38] eLmaGus: thats the main thing [2015-02-15 17:01:41] Redslash: Or if they have a problem with it, so I can find a way to explain it better [2015-02-15 17:01:43] eLmaGus: you can get your stuff out there [2015-02-15 17:01:50] eLmaGus: but if it works for people or not, its on their end [2015-02-15 17:01:57] eLmaGus: you either practice and it works or you dont [2015-02-15 17:03:14] Redslash: Maybe if I get a WR people would be curious about the tech I use [2015-02-15 17:03:45] Redslash: Which isn't gonna happen because of LSS, ha ha ha [2015-02-15 17:03:46] eLmaGus: oh yeah people are retarded that way [2015-02-15 17:03:58] eLmaGus: "what you dont have WR? get out i dont need your advice" [2015-02-15 17:04:13] eLmaGus: thats one of my secrets btw [2015-02-15 17:04:18] eLmaGus: im taking any advice unlike other people [2015-02-15 17:04:28] eLmaGus: thats why i learn games faster than others [2015-02-15 17:04:35] Redslash: I mean, I notice the tendency to try to learn from WR videos, instead of like, reading the route [2015-02-15 17:04:42] eLmaGus: exactly [2015-02-15 17:04:56] eLmaGus: and these days most people are "give me notes, i dont want to practice, i just want to read notes" [2015-02-15 17:05:09] eLmaGus: back in the day i used to watch 3-4 different runs and take my own notes [2015-02-15 17:05:14] eLmaGus: that seems outdated these days [2015-02-15 17:05:30] Puwexil: I get most of my stuff from nico runs I have to screencap in realtime using xsplit [2015-02-15 17:05:44] Puwexil: lol @ finding current notes for most RPGs [2015-02-15 17:05:56] eLmaGus: people demand them though [2015-02-15 17:05:59] eLmaGus: "where can i get notes" [2015-02-15 17:06:02] eLmaGus: i dont understand [2015-02-15 17:06:23] Puwexil: I personally find asking for notes to be in poor taste [2015-02-15 17:06:47] Puwexil: it's basically a way of saying 'I'm not interested in doing the work to learn how the game and speed tech works - do it for me please' [2015-02-15 17:07:27] Redslash: Hm, I guess I see both sides of it [2015-02-15 17:07:50] Redslash: I tend to be in communities that are very helpful and feel insulted when no one asks about the notes, lol [2015-02-15 17:08:21] eLmaGus: notes and pointers are obviously helpful if you know how to use them, but most people dont put in the work like puwexil said [2015-02-15 17:09:07] eLmaGus: i like to help people aswell, but only if i see they actually want to learn [2015-02-15 17:09:19] eLmaGus: and not just ask for notes to have notes and do 1 wannabe playthrough and then toss it aside [2015-02-15 17:09:50] ElGranJerry: Hmm asking for notes makes me laugh. Like there is a route + runs. [2015-02-15 17:10:21] Redslash: Well, right. That's what I mean about notes, the route we all collaborated on [2015-02-15 17:10:27] ElGranJerry: I dont have many notes though, just the route [2015-02-15 17:10:27] ElGranJerry: Aaahhhh [2015-02-15 17:10:34] Puwexil: if I do use notes someone else published, the 1st thing I do is rewrite them to my preferred format [2015-02-15 17:10:35] ElGranJerry: I dont mind about thay [2015-02-15 17:10:49] Ottavino: jerry, are you still playing on emu or did you switch on snes or vc? [2015-02-15 17:10:50] Puwexil: main value I get is backup strats or other stuff you can't get from watching a video [2015-02-15 17:11:09] Puwexil: well, 1 video [2015-02-15 17:11:23] eLmaGus: yeah exactly, 1 video doesnt provide every scenario of what can happen [2015-02-15 17:11:28] ElGranJerry: emu Otta. Apparently the ezcap I got was not a real ezcap and it doesnt work rofl [2015-02-15 17:11:53] Puwexil: I'd recommend a IoMedia GV-USB2 - $40-50 USD on amazon [2015-02-15 17:12:10] Puwexil: best USB SD capture device I know of [2015-02-15 17:12:14] eLmaGus: Dazzles dont exist anymore? i heard people had trouble getting them lately [2015-02-15 17:12:28] Puwexil: I've heard that too [2015-02-15 17:12:42] ElGranJerry: Yeah Puwexil, that's the one I've vbeen recommended. That or dazzle [2015-02-15 17:12:55] ElGranJerry: I am saving up for that + ct cart [2015-02-15 17:13:12 | Edited 17:13:21] Puwexil: GV-USB2 is better than dazzle anyway IMO - only real drawback is the manual/CD being in Japanese and there being a bit of extra delay if you use it as a direct input source without going through AmarecTV [2015-02-15 17:13:35] eLmaGus: yeah i just got a dazzle because it was 30$ cheaper at the time [2015-02-15 17:13:59] ElGranJerry: Ah I see [2015-02-15 17:14:24] Ottavino: ok, because on vc masamune fight is a little different, he can attack chrono before chrono's second attack and the strat doesn't work... on emu it never happens... [2015-02-15 17:14:25] Puwexil: oh, and the GV has a shorter cable, so you need a USB extension cable if your console isn't close to your streaming PC [2015-02-15 17:15:11] SnesWarrior: I played around with that a little Otta, I think its like a 4-8 frame window for that to happen. [2015-02-15 17:15:25] SnesWarrior: on the antipode attack ofc [2015-02-15 17:15:29] ElGranJerry: Dang, for 19 or 25 hp? [2015-02-15 17:15:42] ElGranJerry: Thks puwexil. Will write that down and keep it in mind [2015-02-15 17:16:29] Redslash: (Crono's 2nd crit right at the start) [2015-02-15 17:16:40] ElGranJerry: Aaah [2015-02-15 17:16:46] ElGranJerry: Dang [2015-02-15 17:17:07] Ottavino: yeah sw, did you find a setup do avoid that? i use audio to enter this antipode but it's not consistant [2015-02-15 17:18:41] SnesWarrior: Theres a really safe way iirc, you can spam the button and get into her menu before lucca gets her turn and then close and open it again. But I don't like that. Otherwise just try to hit the button as soon as I see Marles ATB go white. That usually gets Lucca's menu open. [2015-02-15 17:19:19] Ottavino: i tried this earlier, chrono get attacked before [2015-02-15 17:19:49] Ottavino: the spamming strat :) [2015-02-15 17:20:44] SnesWarrior: Hmm, try delaying it a little extra than just as soon as lucca's turn maybe? I know the window is like Good for for the first few frames, then bad, then good again. It's really weird [2015-02-15 17:21:28] Ottavino: yeah exactly [2015-02-15 17:22:29] Ottavino: i also tried the delaying but it's not safe either [2015-02-15 17:22:34] Ottavino: anyway i will have a new laptop in a few days, so i can test on dolphin [2015-02-15 17:23:03] Ottavino: (thanks to Puwexil for the testing dolphin idea) [2015-02-15 17:23:04] ElGranJerry: Noice [2015-02-15 17:23:22] SnesWarrior: Oh man, that'll be nice. That's way better for VC. [2015-02-15 17:26:51] SnesWarrior: But yeah, I guess there's not a really safe way to do it then. I wanna say the first 8 frames or so are probably good. I'll try the mashing thing again just to be sure. I'm using WiiU's Wii mode for VC but I don't think that should really matter [2015-02-15 19:37:25] Ottavino: maze skip with save anywhere glitch, maybe save time for tas: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwSDZFVUVNbTVtY2s/view?usp=sharing [2015-02-15 19:44:05] Will: thanks ottavino! I'll look into it this week [2015-02-15 19:52:34] Redslash: Looks amazing Otta. I'll see if it saves time on J, since the S/A from EoT is easy =) [2015-02-15 19:52:57] Will: which version of snes9x are you using? it's saying file is corrupt on 1.53 [2015-02-15 19:53:05] Ottavino: 1.51rr [2015-02-15 19:53:25] Redslash: Re-Recordable, only way to go ; ) [2015-02-15 19:53:41] eLmaGus: woops [2015-02-15 19:53:50] eLmaGus: remove the first add [2015-02-15 19:53:56] eLmaGus: that was an accident [2015-02-15 19:56:06] eLmaGus: anyways welcome essentia [2015-02-15 19:57:23] Ottavino: welcome essentia! [2015-02-15 19:57:57] Will: hi essentia [2015-02-15 19:58:28] ElGranJerry: welcome [2015-02-15 20:12:37] EssentiaFour: Hi everyone! :) [2015-02-15 20:16:42] Redslash: Hi, welcome =) [2015-02-15 20:18:32] Redslash: Aww... well Otta, S/A to 65M there isn't easy after all, but a good TAS find [2015-02-15 20:33:15] ElGranJerry: I wish the moving after falling animation in denadoro was possible when you open the chest in the 1st plataform [2015-02-15 20:33:25] ElGranJerry: I can't get it to work meh [2015-02-15 20:33:42] Redslash: I don't think it saves time =) [2015-02-15 20:34:21] ElGranJerry: Might as well save a few seconds, since you don't need to wait for marle and lucca to fall? [2015-02-15 20:34:24] ElGranJerry: idk though [2015-02-15 20:35:32] Redslash: Once they're down you need to wait for them to "regroup", gather together with Crono, before you can move again [2015-02-15 20:35:53] Redslash: So I think it's exactly the same, timewise [2015-02-15 20:36:19] ElGranJerry: I see what you mean now, yeah most likely [2015-02-15 20:36:36] eLmaGus: i was about to say [2015-02-15 20:36:43] eLmaGus: i wouldve noticed if you didnt have to regroup [2015-02-15 20:39:49] ElGranJerry: How should I call the Robo Shine and Enhasa "glitches" [2015-02-15 20:39:59] ElGranJerry: just label them as text cancelling? [2015-02-15 20:40:14] Redslash: It's text cancelling [2015-02-15 20:40:18] eLmaGus: well its not a glitch, i would call it text cancel [2015-02-15 20:40:19] eLmaGus: yeah [2015-02-15 20:40:47] ElGranJerry: true true [2015-02-15 20:41:12] Redslash: It's funny to call the Enhasa one that, but... I guess the same principle [2015-02-15 20:41:31] ElGranJerry: yeah [2015-02-15 20:41:38] ElGranJerry: you can actually open the menu at any time [2015-02-15 20:41:39] eLmaGus: whats funny to me is that we used the basic technique before [2015-02-15 20:41:47] ElGranJerry: saves 1.2 seconds [2015-02-15 20:41:50] eLmaGus: but never bothered to check in other places [2015-02-15 20:44:07] Redslash: Dang, it isn't even text-cancelling for Enhasa, that's just running with dialogue open. [2015-02-15 20:44:37] Redslash: That's even more basic, lol. How didn't we find that X) Shops are funny [2015-02-15 20:44:45] eLmaGus: well to be fair [2015-02-15 20:44:52] eLmaGus: we shop 3 times in 3 hours [2015-02-15 20:45:21] ElGranJerry: they are indeed [2015-02-15 20:47:34] Redslash: And you know, there was a point where 1.5 seconds in this game meant nothing, so alright [2015-02-15 20:48:18] ElGranJerry: yeah [2015-02-15 20:48:30] ElGranJerry: and we've been racking up those small tmesavers lately [2015-02-15 20:48:42] ElGranJerry: it all adds up to our common goal [2015-02-15 20:49:08] eLmaGus: thats correct, the route was far more important than finding small timesavers like that for the longest time [2015-02-15 20:51:15] Redslash: You guys are making me wanna play English again [2015-02-15 20:51:27] Redslash: LSS is a jerk at the moment [2015-02-15 20:51:38] eLmaGus: stay vigilant [2015-02-15 20:51:48] eLmaGus: you can get a good LSS run and then return ;) [2015-02-15 20:53:07] Redslash: Ok =) It's gonna be a grind, but bring it on [2015-02-15 20:53:15] eLmaGus: nah man [2015-02-15 20:53:18] eLmaGus: you got this [2015-02-15 20:53:51] eLmaGus: it would have been nice if the people that said they are going to run JP would give you a little motivation [2015-02-15 20:53:56] eLmaGus: but as expected nobody followed through [2015-02-15 20:54:57] Redslash: Eh, I believe Claude will, the year's young. And Cereth is doing a CT playthrough currently [2015-02-15 20:55:28] Redslash: I don't need a lot of motivation lol, streaming just isn't really my element X) [2015-02-15 20:55:49] eLmaGus: claude wont trust me [2015-02-15 20:56:03] Redslash: Lol, dang [2015-02-15 20:56:10] ElGranJerry: I <3 your streams red [2015-02-15 20:56:23] eLmaGus: or lets put it that way [2015-02-15 20:56:38] eLmaGus: it would surprise me immenseley if he actually did [2015-02-15 20:56:55] Redslash: I mean he's a smart dude. LSS isn't solved yet, I'd be surprised if anyone went with it, ha ha [2015-02-15 20:57:06] eLmaGus: he is lazy though [2015-02-15 20:57:14] eLmaGus: and when i say lazy, i mean extreeeeeeeeeeeeemeeeeeeeeely lazy [2015-02-15 20:57:23] eLmaGus: which is not a good thing with CT [2015-02-15 20:57:48] eLmaGus: unless he is hooked to the game he wont put much work into it [2015-02-15 20:58:31] Redslash: Lol... I believe LSS can be solved, but that's blind faith on my part. I don't have the know-how to solve it. [2015-02-15 20:59:05] Redslash: I'll say this, if you try the J route now, you're crazy =) But it is fun [2015-02-15 20:59:16] eLmaGus: correct me if i didnt understand LSS [2015-02-15 20:59:26] eLmaGus: but i thought you "solved" it and its just hard to pull off [2015-02-15 20:59:32] eLmaGus: and a little RNG of course [2015-02-15 21:00:53] Redslash: I thought I did, ha ha. I solved it for 1 outcome tree, but I didn't realize there were others. I don't know how to get that outcome tree. [2015-02-15 21:01:05] eLmaGus: ooooooohhhhhhh i see [2015-02-15 21:01:09] eLmaGus: thats interesting [2015-02-15 21:01:29] eLmaGus: but yeah thats just a little more theoretical work [2015-02-15 21:01:31] eLmaGus: i think [2015-02-15 21:01:35] eLmaGus: im sure you can solve it [2015-02-15 21:04:07] Redslash: Yup, maybe. I know someone will solve it anyway. [2015-02-15 21:04:44] eLmaGus: one can only hope [2015-02-15 21:04:59] Redslash: There is another thing I can try, you reminded me [2015-02-15 21:05:11] eLmaGus: im considering it solved [2015-02-15 21:06:43] Redslash: Right, it may not get more solved than it is already is, but we can't prove that yet ; ) [2015-02-15 21:08:26] Redslash: Gaspar has a different dialogue if Frog's in your party. 1 textbox instead of a chain of 3. Might simplify things... [2015-02-15 21:08:42] eLmaGus: oho [2015-02-15 21:11:22] Will: LSS? I'm going for that mid-frame memory corruption. :\ [2015-02-15 21:13:34] Redslash: Yo GL! Not sure that's humanly possible, but there are gods among us [2015-02-15 21:14:14] Redslash: Ah Gaspar's Frog dialogue is just shorter [2015-02-15 21:15:07] DrunkenDraconian: has anyone tried that? smash the reste button to try and corrupt on a real system? [2015-02-15 21:15:53] eLmaGus: sounds like something i dont want to do [2015-02-15 21:16:07] eLmaGus: especially with Chrono Trigger [2015-02-15 21:16:08] Will: I remember reading a remark on how easy it was to do that in every other RPG but CT [2015-02-15 21:16:15] DrunkenDraconian: seems risky with a 100$ bill [2015-02-15 21:16:38] Will: kudos to the brave souls willing to try it [2015-02-15 21:17:44] Redslash: Work on LSS with me =) [2015-02-15 21:20:03] Redslash: This speedrun is founded on documents full of frame data [2015-02-15 21:22:33] Redslash: That's the ideal, anyway. I wish to solve LSS but I'm out of time [2015-02-15 21:23:02] Redslash: I'm gonna grind runs this week, then that's probably it for me. Maybe pick it up again later this year. [2015-02-15 21:23:34] Will: sure thing. as long as JP route isn't too radically differnet [2015-02-15 21:29:48] Redslash: It's remarkably similar. Definitely get a good handle on English first though =) [2015-02-15 21:33:07] Will: Couldn't hurt to learn a little katakana, hiragana too [2015-02-15 21:33:32] eLmaGus: nah red has everything in his google doc [2015-02-15 21:33:42] eLmaGus: the descriptions are the best [2015-02-15 21:33:47] Redslash: Katakana great alphabet, would recommend [2015-02-15 21:33:49] eLmaGus: (rofl) [2015-02-15 21:34:17] Redslash: Elmagus... [2015-02-15 21:34:41] eLmaGus: oh im not talking about your insane work on everything, talking about the CTJ route [2015-02-15 21:34:56] eLmaGus: that one doc that you made with a couple of other people is just nuts [2015-02-15 21:35:29] Redslash: Route I made with a couple other people? [2015-02-15 21:35:41] eLmaGus: no the katakana pastebin or whatever [2015-02-15 21:35:52] Redslash: That's entirely my work OpieOP [2015-02-15 21:35:55] eLmaGus: nuts [2015-02-15 21:35:59] eLmaGus: nutsssssssss [2015-02-15 21:37:02] Redslash: I'm working on an IRC bot for spaced-repetition flashcards, for the purpose of learning kanji [2015-02-15 21:38:01] eLmaGus: nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuts [2015-02-15 21:38:13] Redslash: Freakin...... [2015-02-15 21:38:21] eLmaGus: anyways check the CT JP route on the wiki and you will know what "descriptions" im talking about [2015-02-15 21:39:30] Redslash: Please, it's a visual alphabet http://lerskanji.com [2015-02-15 21:42:05] Redslash: Remember my kanji pastebin? Lol... [2015-02-15 21:42:12] Redslash: Wait maybe that's what you meant [2015-02-15 21:42:22] eLmaGus: yeah i read through that for 2 hours actually [2015-02-15 21:42:28] eLmaGus: and yes [2015-02-15 21:42:34] Redslash: Oh damn [2015-02-15 21:42:57] Redslash: What'd you think? :> [2015-02-15 21:43:08] eLmaGus: well first of all [2015-02-15 21:43:12] eLmaGus: when i opened it [2015-02-15 21:43:15] eLmaGus: i was like [2015-02-15 21:43:19] eLmaGus: "why" [2015-02-15 21:43:24] Redslash: Ah yeah [2015-02-15 21:43:27] eLmaGus: obviously impressed [2015-02-15 21:43:34] eLmaGus: and quite interesting [2015-02-15 21:43:38] eLmaGus: i shared it everywhere too [2015-02-15 21:44:55] Redslash: You're talking about this one? http://pastebin.com/rP7j36kH [2015-02-15 21:45:00] Redslash: I don't even have the link anymore, lol [2015-02-15 21:45:14] Redslash: I assume that's the up-to-date one [2015-02-15 21:45:43] eLmaGus: yes that one [2015-02-15 21:45:50] Redslash: Look how coherent it is, oh my =0 [2015-02-15 21:47:04] Redslash: But yeah it better be good, I spent a lot of time on it. Hope turning it into flashcards will be nice [2015-02-15 21:51:03] Will: I like it. [2015-02-15 21:51:23] Will: Housed Punk = Doom? [2015-02-15 21:51:52] Redslash: Kinda like jailed [2015-02-15 21:52:02] Redslash: Thanks for looking at it, hah [2015-02-15 21:52:04] Will: interested in seeing how much different kanji is from its chinese roots [2015-02-15 22:09:07] Redslash: It's a little bit different. I initially spent time finding differences, but it's neglible [2015-02-15 22:09:22] Redslash: Chinese is to Japanese as Latin is to English, basically [2015-02-15 22:11:20] Redslash: What's great tho, is this is completely off-topic, text doesn't matter in a speedrun =) [2015-02-15 22:12:11] Redslash: But perhaps it could help for routing, and that kind of thing [2015-02-15 22:15:12] Will: In case I have to improvise. [2015-02-15 22:18:23] Redslash: I've thought about using CT as a tool for introducing kanji, heh. There are 507 kanji used in this game =) [2015-02-15 22:21:39] Redslash: I've made this Skype group so weird, lol. I'm sorry [2015-02-15 22:21:50] Will: I think immersion is best [2015-02-15 22:22:31] Will: just my opinion [2015-02-15 22:24:53] Redslash: Agreed. I think for native Japanese it's a subconscious thing. but 1-1 correspondences can really benefit non-native learners, I feel [2015-02-16 0:35:51] Puwexil: is there any good resource for enemy AI scripts for CT? [2015-02-16 0:43:34] Redslash: First thing that comes to mind is http://datacrystal.romhacking.net/wiki/Chrono_Trigger/Enemy_AI_Documentation [2015-02-16 0:43:46] Redslash: Though, it hasn't been fully deciphered yet [2015-02-16 0:48:05] Puwexil: main thing I'm after right now is learning how lavos core ticks, and which of his moves are counters [2015-02-16 0:48:15] Puwexil: ie crying heaven spam [2015-02-16 0:49:52] Redslash: Ooh, ok [2015-02-16 0:52:42] Redslash: I've only used this doc to confirm that Slash begins his counter phase at 592hp [2015-02-16 0:54:02] Redslash: But now I can't even see that, it's telling me 560 now? Better sleep on it, heh [2015-02-16 0:55:01] Puwexil: it's too bad the chrono wiki doesn't have as much stuff as the FF one - it has AI scripts for every monster/boss in FF6/7 (ex: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kefka_(Final_Boss) ) [2015-02-16 0:58:10] Redslash: CT fans care too much about the lore to be bothered with that [2015-02-16 0:59:27] Redslash: Right, 592 would be 50 02, little endian. There it is [2015-02-16 1:33:47] Puwexil: zeal II is another one I'm curious about [2015-02-16 1:34:06] Puwexil: if hallation/MP buster are scripted based on HP/# of rounds or something, or just 'random' like most other things [2015-02-16 7:24:58 | Removed 7:32:06] Will: This message has been removed. [2015-02-16 7:31:20 | Removed 7:31:58] Will: This message has been removed. [2015-02-16 11:41:27 | Edited 11:42:02] Nihil922: tried the elixir glitch without reloading, made no misstake against the shell, didnt work. cronos atb never filled to allow him to attack. anyone know what went wrong? [2015-02-16 11:47:32] SnesWarrior: Do you remember what damage number Crono took during the laser move? [2015-02-16 11:50:17] SnesWarrior: 2047, 2045, 2036, 2041 should all work. Anything else and you are either in the earlier or later window. [2015-02-16 11:51:38] SnesWarrior: Also dont attack with anyone during phase 1, during core fight wait for Ayla to get lightning bolted, then attack with Frog [2015-02-16 11:57:52] Nihil922: dont remember the damage, but thanks for the numbers, im gonna add them to my notes [2015-02-16 11:59:29] Nihil922: i guess i missread the notes, thought the attack was on 1st pahse [2015-02-16 11:59:40 | Edited 12:01:26] Nihil922: thats probably why it didnt work :P [2015-02-16 12:03:15] SnesWarrior: NP man, just passing it along from Redslash, he found all the numbers. [2015-02-16 12:10:28] ElGranJerry: Noice, I need to get practicing that [2015-02-16 12:13:24 | Edited 12:18:42] Will: (redacted) [2015-02-16 12:30:13] DrunkenDraconian: can't seem to find the 3rd battle rng address, my old HD is dead [2015-02-16 12:30:26] DrunkenDraconian: i have 0026 and 29ad [2015-02-16 12:34:58] SnesWarrior: You wanting the one for watching values at the start screen? Or wait.. probably B3E6 critical value [2015-02-16 12:35:53] DrunkenDraconian: yeah that sound right [2015-02-16 12:36:17] DrunkenDraconian: i lost my collection of info :( [2015-02-16 12:37:49] DrunkenDraconian: thanks [2015-02-16 12:39:42] SnesWarrior: np, i know how that is. I've got a folder with a crapload of notes for FF4/SMRPG/SoM and stuff I would be ticked if I lost. Been backing stuff up on google docs though since I discovered that a few months ago. [2015-02-16 12:40:17] DrunkenDraconian: makes sense [2015-02-16 12:40:53] Will: 29AD/0026 [2015-02-16 12:41:33] Will: red, I have some more TAS addrs if you're interested [2015-02-16 12:42:56] Will: and all the mem locs as well [2015-02-16 12:56:26] Nihil922: wait... do we use ayla for no reload lavos? [2015-02-16 12:57:39] Nihil922: or did SW just misspell [2015-02-16 12:59:27] SnesWarrior: Doesn't matter what character is in that slot, iirc. I think Ayla might've been slightly faster than switching out Marle or something. [2015-02-16 13:00:40] SnesWarrior: Feel free to double check me on that though. [2015-02-16 13:00:46] Nihil922: will do [2015-02-16 13:06:18] Nihil922: both seems to work. [2015-02-16 13:06:18] Nihil922: however crono takes 2037 damage in the first phase, and crono also gets attacked in the second phase instead of ayla or marle. [2015-02-16 13:06:46] Nihil922: it works out as intended anyway [2015-02-16 13:11:38] SnesWarrior: Huh, thats strange. Wouldn't of expected it to change damage numbers on the other characters. I wonder if that makes some of the other values between D3-FF to not work. [2015-02-16 13:12:24] Nihil922: is there a vod of anyone using the no reload strats? i want to check up on something [2015-02-16 13:13:47] SnesWarrior: Nah I don't believe so. [2015-02-16 13:14:14] ElGranJerry: nop [2015-02-16 13:14:33] Nihil922: :( [2015-02-16 13:14:51] ElGranJerry: I just got reminded by Red yesterday about that [2015-02-16 13:15:02] ElGranJerry: I'll do a video soon I guess [2015-02-16 13:15:11] ElGranJerry: Still need to try it myself though haha [2015-02-16 13:17:00] Nihil922: so... if you manage to get a good shell fight, will it always give us the correct rng? or is it possible it can fail? [2015-02-16 13:18:04] Nihil922: just so i know if i should make a save before the core fight, or if i can just go for it [2015-02-16 13:18:45] SnesWarrior: From what I read it sounds like it has a fair chance to fail if you don't get specific crits you want at the end [2015-02-16 13:20:14] SnesWarrior: I don't know how tight it is though honestly, i've never pulled up ramwatch on the final shell fight and watched what windows you normally fall into. [2015-02-16 13:23:52] SnesWarrior: I do actually think it may be easier to pull off on VC. My last 4 attacks seem to consistently be Crit, normal,normal, Crit. And that always gives me a 2045 for Crono later. I'm pretty sure my final shell isn't the most optimal either. (I wanna say Ithink Red found a way to do it in 3 attacks at the end?) [2015-02-16 13:24:52] ElGranJerry: which 4 attacks? I am so lost lmao [2015-02-16 13:25:24] SnesWarrior: Last 4 attacks on shell [2015-02-16 13:25:41 | Edited 13:26:42] Redslash: The strat I posted on the route is for B9-D2 (the natural 10 Falcon shell). The Ayla getting bolted strat is for D3-FF (using attacks on shell) [2015-02-16 13:26:24] SnesWarrior: Ah yeah... I probably should have mentioned that.. ><' [2015-02-16 13:27:20] ElGranJerry: Does the one for the 10FH on final phase accounts for 10FH on Giga gaia or 9 + attacks [2015-02-16 13:27:45] ElGranJerry: seems like that could throw it off [2015-02-16 13:28:46] Redslash: You can do either, you finish Gigagaia in the 61-87 window [2015-02-16 13:29:38] Redslash: 2037 is correct damage for the strat posted, btw [2015-02-16 13:30:18] Ottavino: which strat is faster? [2015-02-16 13:32:31] Ottavino: and what is the new shell strat? [2015-02-16 13:39:29] Nihil922: so there is optional shell strat where you finish it with attacks? [2015-02-16 13:42:25] ElGranJerry: I got no idea, it was discussed a while ago but I don't really remember [2015-02-16 13:44:49] Redslash: I don't remember precisely how that strat went, it was an idea we were experimenting with [2015-02-16 13:45:15] Nihil922: interesting [2015-02-16 13:45:45] Redslash: The one thing I do recommend though, is skipping the Haste on Marle. The outcome is the same, and is actually safer, I believe [2015-02-16 13:46:13] SnesWarrior: Yeah, thats the fundamental strat to it. Hasting Ayla and Crono only. [2015-02-16 13:46:44] Nihil922: i see, did you time which strat is faster? [2015-02-16 13:47:09] Redslash: Only difference being one less Haste animation =) [2015-02-16 13:47:39] Nihil922: well, i guess thats something [2015-02-16 13:47:59] Nihil922: if the strat is safer that is awesome [2015-02-16 13:48:36] ElGranJerry: I guess the timings change a lil bit if you skip the haste [2015-02-16 13:48:52] ElGranJerry: But nothing major, sounds good [2015-02-16 14:08:35 | Edited 14:35:55] Redslash: It's mostly the same, but you don't hesitate the first Haste: Falcon, Haste Crono, Lapis and Heal; Haste Ayla, Falcon, Revive+Fulltonic Crono, Falcon, Falcon, Marle uses Fulltonic on Ayla (wait for rains) Revive+Lapis, Falcon (wait for quake)... then 5 more Falcons like normal [2015-02-16 14:08:50] Redslash: It's not too hard on BS3 imo, but BS4 is pretty good [2015-02-16 16:01:33] Redslash: Looks like Lavos core center bit (enemy CE) has no counter actions... left bit is ED and right bit is EF... [2015-02-16 16:08:28] Redslash: You can see left bit's counter block starts with 04 00 CE 01 ("check if CE is alive") [2015-02-16 18:57:15] Redslash: I turned the above notes into Boss Fights Guide format, if you wanna check it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lqD9UQE9CsjzRlohzYqhYkHtU8bITs_L2RCwBC1WJeA/edit [2015-02-16 18:57:33] ElGranJerry: You need permission [2015-02-16 18:57:47] ElGranJerry: Your request for access has been sent. [2015-02-16 18:57:47] ElGranJerry: You will receive an email if and when the owner of this item approves your request. [2015-02-16 18:57:48] ElGranJerry: :D [2015-02-16 18:57:56] Redslash: Lol, pls X) [2015-02-16 18:58:11] Redslash: ok there [2015-02-16 18:59:24] ElGranJerry: cool [2015-02-16 18:59:50] ElGranJerry: Wanna incorporate it into the other one? [2015-02-16 19:00:04] ElGranJerry: I made it public to everybody, forgot it was not before [2015-02-16 19:02:36] ElGranJerry: Nice timesavers incorporated into the route [2015-02-16 19:02:44] ElGranJerry: sub 3 sub 3 sub 3 sub 3 sub 3 sub 3 [2015-02-16 19:03:34] Redslash: Heh heh, yeah [2015-02-16 19:06:53] Redslash: Not too sure I wanna mess with your notes though, Jerry =X [2015-02-16 19:07:12 | Edited 19:07:29] Redslash: Does the (^) and (v) seem helpful? Telling you where on the menu you are [2015-02-16 19:07:28] ElGranJerry: yeah I <3 cake [2015-02-16 19:07:44] DrunkenDraconian: the cake is a lie [2015-02-16 19:07:55] Redslash: Hmmm wut [2015-02-16 19:08:09] SnesWarrior: Nothing better than some Cake and Envy [2015-02-16 19:08:12] SnesWarrior: lmao [2015-02-16 19:08:28] Redslash: Oh <3, lol [2015-02-16 19:09:24] Redslash: Only one man can truly <3 Chrono Trigger [2015-02-16 19:10:12] Redslash: Or, who will be the first to [2015-02-16 19:11:15] ElGranJerry: Any reason Ayla is doing the revives now? [2015-02-16 19:11:32] ElGranJerry: does it setup better [2015-02-16 19:12:57] Redslash: Well, Ayla gets her turn first, seemed awkward to switch to Crono for all the items [2015-02-16 19:13:19] ElGranJerry: oh yeah, makes sense [2015-02-16 19:13:34] Redslash: Kinda wastes a turn too, doing Revive-Falcon-Fulltonic-Falcon [2015-02-16 19:13:51] Redslash: Not a big diff, it's preference really [2015-02-16 19:22:51] ElGranJerry: glad battle speed 4 is a thing now [2015-02-16 19:27:28] Redslash: Thanks for trying it out, yo =) [2015-02-16 20:20:36] ElGranJerry: Thanks for bringing it up [2015-02-16 20:20:43] ElGranJerry: I just did it 3 more times flawlessly [2015-02-16 20:21:04] ElGranJerry: the elixir glitch #1 is kind of tight now but you shouldn't really miss it [2015-02-16 20:35:06] ElGranJerry: So aparently someone added part of the leaderboards to speedrun.com [2015-02-16 20:36:28] ElGranJerry: I don't really care but it would be better if someone who was a part of the community handled that [2015-02-16 20:48:08] Redslash: Yeah, I dunno. Looks like T3tsuya has added a bunch of games to the site. Not really how it's intended to work, but... [2015-02-16 20:48:57] Puwexil: kind of lame to have a leaderboard that's not kept up to date by the community [2015-02-16 20:49:05] ElGranJerry: I already sent an email [2015-02-16 20:49:08] ElGranJerry: yeah [2015-02-16 20:49:31] ElGranJerry: Lots of the times are missing [2015-02-16 20:49:40] ElGranJerry: If you are going to do it at least do it right... imo [2015-02-16 20:51:15] ElGranJerry: I was avoiding joining into speedrun.com because srwatcher and evilash put a nice amount of work into the chrono.wikidot page [2015-02-16 20:51:32] ElGranJerry: But now with speedrun.com merging with livesplit I feel we need to get there for sure [2015-02-16 20:56:27] Redslash: Speedrun.com looks like an easier way to post times too, instead of messing around with markup tables... We could keep the route notes on Wikidot though, maybe make that the main page. I really like them there. [2015-02-16 20:57:29] ElGranJerry: yeah, posting times seems easier [2015-02-16 20:57:40] ElGranJerry: We could add times there and redirect to Chrono.wikidot for strats [2015-02-16 20:57:48] ElGranJerry: I feel that would be the best thing to do [2015-02-16 20:58:18] ElGranJerry: but what do you all think? [2015-02-16 20:58:40] Redslash: We could invite Srwatcher and Evilash to mod the speedrun.com page too, if they'd like [2015-02-16 20:59:10] ElGranJerry: for sure [2015-02-16 20:59:48] ElGranJerry: I really like the wikidot page, but speedrun.com is becoming really big and it's what people see first for a game [2015-02-16 20:59:57] ElGranJerry: We could use it as a way to boost the other page as well [2015-02-16 21:03:49] Redslash: Hold up. That "include emulator" checkbox... [2015-02-16 21:04:22] Redslash: Is that feature removable? lol... because that's silly [2015-02-16 21:04:24] Puwexil: it hides emulated runs if you uncheck it [2015-02-16 21:05:44] ElGranJerry: it's very silly. Obviously console is better and for some games 100% necessary because of differences [2015-02-16 21:05:56] ElGranJerry: but basically discarding all I don't agree with either [2015-02-16 21:06:29] Redslash: I mean, you click it and voila, Elmagus ranks first with the gold =) [2015-02-16 21:06:35 | Edited 21:07:28] Redslash: I'm having second thoughts, ha ha [2015-02-16 21:08:03] ElGranJerry: magus run was on emu though [2015-02-16 21:08:10] ElGranJerry: I know he got a cart now :D [2015-02-16 21:09:08] Redslash: Of course, that too. It's weird either way. [2015-02-16 21:09:37] ElGranJerry: It's a piece of shit lol [2015-02-16 21:16:20] Redslash: So, if that's not removable, I'm not down with moving. What a bizarre feature [2015-02-16 21:20:57] Redslash: It's like the designers heard people joke about "console WR" and thought it was serious, lol [2015-02-16 21:24:34 | Edited 21:24:50] Redslash: Replace it with a checkbox that subtracts 30 second from emu times, because it's a major handicap. That'd be useful, by contrast [2015-02-16 21:28:46] ElGranJerry: yeah lol [2015-02-16 21:40:47] Redslash: But ok, I can just believe it's ironic... sorry for the pop-off, lol [2015-02-16 21:40:56] Redslash: Exposure definitely isn't a bad thing =) [2015-02-16 21:42:18] ElGranJerry: <3 [2015-02-16 21:48:38] Redslash: Omg, I have emotes on my phone Skype. I wasn't asking about cake or green guy I was asking about "( v )" and "( ^ )" [2015-02-16 21:49:29] Redslash: And rip my "Who will truly < 3 Chrono Trigger" joke X) [2015-02-16 21:49:39] ElGranJerry: I know you did haha [2015-02-16 21:49:41] ElGranJerry: oooooooohhhhhhh [2015-02-16 21:49:51] ElGranJerry: I just got the joke now rofl [2015-02-16 21:50:06] ElGranJerry: shoutouts to emotes [2015-02-16 21:57:50] ElGranJerry: I am gonna attempt a 24 hour stream soon. RIP me [2015-02-16 21:58:55] Puwexil: do 3 chrono cross runs [2015-02-16 22:00:11] ElGranJerry: I doubt I would finish the game once (Never played it) [2015-02-16 22:00:22] ElGranJerry: But that might be a good idea, blind playthrough [2015-02-16 22:00:46] Puwexil: it's a good game - not as good as CT in my opinion but still a very solid playstation RPG [2015-02-16 22:01:55] ElGranJerry: I see, yeah I've heard that a lot. With as well comments of this game sucks lol [2015-02-16 22:02:26] ElGranJerry: it being PS made me not be able to play it before but this laptop can handle the emu finally [2015-02-17 6:35:45] DrunkenDraconian: I can help you fill out time with a race or 2 Jerry. Escape midgar FF7, disc 1 FF9 etc. [2015-02-17 8:39:48] ElGranJerry: noice. We should do some SMW WR attempts [2015-02-17 8:39:51] ElGranJerry: no kapparoni [2015-02-17 8:42:34] eLmaGus: did somebody say Chrono Trigger Race for 24h stream [2015-02-17 8:42:49] eLmaGus: also please dont mind speedrun.com [2015-02-17 8:43:42] ElGranJerry: I am up for a race [2015-02-17 8:44:15] eLmaGus: when are you planning to do that [2015-02-17 8:44:19] eLmaGus: 24h stream that is [2015-02-17 8:44:28] eLmaGus: the next weeks are insanely busy for me [2015-02-17 8:44:43] DrunkenDraconian: 100% active atb [2015-02-17 8:44:50] ElGranJerry: ^ :O [2015-02-17 8:44:56] ElGranJerry: Probably on March 6-7 [2015-02-17 8:45:05] eLmaGus: i got a little thing on March 7 [2015-02-17 8:45:11] eLmaGus: i might be able to race you on 6 [2015-02-17 8:45:15] eLmaGus: no guarantees though [2015-02-17 8:45:57] ElGranJerry: cool [2015-02-17 8:46:15] ElGranJerry: I still need to confirm the dates, exams and stuff might pop up [2015-02-17 9:15:21] ElGranJerry: I have a holiday on Monday March 16 [2015-02-17 9:15:36] ElGranJerry: so it's probably better for me to do it that weekend [2015-02-17 9:16:00] eLmaGus: im on vacation there i think [2015-02-17 9:16:07] eLmaGus: aka not available [2015-02-17 9:17:18] ElGranJerry: rip the dream :( [2015-02-17 9:38:18 | Removed 9:42:45] Will: This message has been removed. [2015-02-17 10:50:25] ElGranJerry: So targetting the part of Zombor that dies in Shell with Lucca fire makes for a 1s faster shell lmao [2015-02-17 10:50:43] ElGranJerry: Only difference being Nizbel's stomp animation vs hitting Crono [2015-02-17 10:51:10] ElGranJerry: it's not even a second really, .6-.7 [2015-02-17 10:51:15] ElGranJerry: I just rounded up lmao [2015-02-17 10:53:28] ElGranJerry: Also, wait for Lucca's fire to fill up on zombor and wait for the last FH for MasaMune so you can input 2 attacks at once [2015-02-17 10:54:09] ElGranJerry: should save a few frames [2015-02-17 11:01:23] Ottavino: for zombor: chrono slash, chrono falcon hit! it leads to a better nizbel fight ;) [2015-02-17 11:03:49] Ottavino: just think to do 2 lightings then 2 slash in heckran [2015-02-17 11:04:18] ElGranJerry: what makes the nizbel fight different? [2015-02-17 11:04:35] ElGranJerry: Yeah the current heckran strat has 2l and 2s + the antipodes [2015-02-17 11:04:49] Ottavino: lucca menu is up at the beginning, you don't have to wait for it [2015-02-17 11:05:14] Ottavino: so you can input flame kick much faster [2015-02-17 11:05:17] ElGranJerry: that's sexy [2015-02-17 11:06:05] ElGranJerry: Thing is though there would be no crit for Giga Gaia the slash +FH [2015-02-17 11:06:39] Ottavino: crit for giga gaia depends on BT fight [2015-02-17 11:08:47] ElGranJerry: hmm, interesting. I've tried everything there to get the crit with the current strat and never could [2015-02-17 11:09:04] ElGranJerry: targetting the different zombor part made me get it 100% of the times [2015-02-17 11:09:10] ElGranJerry: Might be coincidence idk [2015-02-17 11:21:39] ElGranJerry: Slash + FH saves 2.5 seconds on that fight over FH+Fire. Sweet [2015-02-17 11:23:13] ElGranJerry: wait, 1.5-2s. I was doing Ayla FH [2015-02-17 19:54:05] ElGranJerry: Anyone wants to fill for me running CT Any% at the sickkids marathon? Run is Sunday 8, 4:15 EST [2015-02-17 19:54:29] ElGranJerry: I am getting flown for a job interview that weekend so I can't make it sadly [2015-02-17 20:00:59] eLmaGus: sounds like fun [2015-02-17 20:01:15] DrunkenDraconian: job HYPE [2015-02-17 20:01:59] ElGranJerry: you up for it Magus? [2015-02-17 20:02:22] ElGranJerry: Yeah, literally I just got a call 20 minutes ago lol [2015-02-17 20:02:55] eLmaGus: sigh [2015-02-17 20:03:00] eLmaGus: i doubt anybody else here would [2015-02-17 20:03:01] eLmaGus: so sure [2015-02-18 16:01:42 | Edited 16:38:24] Redslash: Looking at Zeal's AI... Normally she uses nothing-Light-Light-Hexagon-Light-Light-Darkgear. Under 50% health, it's Hallation-MPBuster-Light-Light-nothing. [2015-02-18 16:02:20 | Edited 16:38:35] Redslash: There's a 3rd condition that's checked... If she is hit once total (?), she uses Hexagon-Darkgear-Light... this might mean if you attack too fast before she begins her normal routine, not sure [2015-02-18 17:00:30] Redslash: Huh, nope. She runs the "normal" routine once, then is stuck in Hexagon-Darkgear-Light. Seems that Hallation-MPBuster interrupts at <10,000HP and just happens once [2015-02-18 17:26:03] DrunkenDraconian: that sounds right [2015-02-18 17:27:11] DrunkenDraconian: hey red, do you have on hand the earliest battle value you get after the random slime fight? [2015-02-18 17:28:43] DrunkenDraconian: I've been usually ending around A? [2015-02-18 17:29:32] DrunkenDraconian: but it seems possible to get like 8? [2015-02-18 17:36:47] Redslash: You mean Ax/8x? With a perfect all greens I think I got 6x, so probably 6A-87 earliest window [2015-02-18 17:37:08] DrunkenDraconian: awesome thanks [2015-02-18 17:37:55] DrunkenDraconian: i'm just going to start playing windows of r-series to heckran and see if i can tie some stuff together for SS [2015-02-18 17:38:54] DrunkenDraconian: I've managed to line up DT crits too :P [2015-02-18 17:51:29] ElGranJerry: that's sexy man [2015-02-18 17:53:40] DrunkenDraconian: i still want to mess with it a bit, if i can get a few more crits on yackra i can skip frog's iron sword [2015-02-18 17:54:13] Redslash: Do you know the value you finish Yakra at? [2015-02-18 17:54:56] DrunkenDraconian: DE or DF [2015-02-18 17:56:15] Redslash: Hmm, and you kill off Lucca quickly and stuff? I finish him at A9 somehow [2015-02-18 17:56:35] DrunkenDraconian: i run from the fight just before yackra to set up crits and advance enough to hit A4 [2015-02-18 17:56:41] DrunkenDraconian: er 4A [2015-02-18 17:56:48] Redslash: Ahh makes sense [2015-02-18 17:57:29] DrunkenDraconian: and if that fight saves 30 seconds it's worth it [2015-02-18 17:58:36] Redslash: We should compare fights =) With A9, I just run from Blue Eaglets after getting Marle, and I'm on track for any% DT [2015-02-18 17:59:56] Redslash: 4A does look pretty slick tho [2015-02-18 18:00:56] DrunkenDraconian: compare yackra fights? [2015-02-18 18:02:46] DrunkenDraconian: i get 71 when i run from the nagaette hench before yackra and it snaps to A3 in yackra fight [2015-02-18 18:03:34] Redslash: Oh yah I see now. Found your VOD [2015-02-18 18:05:17] DrunkenDraconian: i overkill him by 33 hp, but it's -60ish dmg if i don't pick up his sword [2015-02-18 18:05:34] DrunkenDraconian: but it's more about skipping his retaliation [2015-02-18 18:06:00] DrunkenDraconian: feels like 60 if not 80% [2015-02-18 18:07:45] DrunkenDraconian: but frog only has 2 non crits, am i greedy to ask for more? [2015-02-18 18:21:39] Redslash: Yeah, 71 looks great, smart move. I didn't really consider Flametoss, I was able to get the 1st needle hit her... may or may not be possible on that seed [2015-02-18 18:22:26] DrunkenDraconian: seems to always be frog [2015-02-18 18:24:28] DrunkenDraconian: smart/lucky, first thing I tried and got 71, looked at the crit table and decided to go with it [2015-02-18 18:26:33] DrunkenDraconian: in the fight you get when you do any% it is easy to have it hit lucca [2015-02-18 18:26:53] DrunkenDraconian: there were a fair amount of windows where he did not counter either [2015-02-18 18:40:26] Redslash: Yeah, it'll hit Lucca if you do some waiting around, but that Flametoss damage is sweet [2015-02-18 18:41:35] DrunkenDraconian: getting 3 off seems like a good run, then she dies and you wail [2015-02-18 18:46:29] Redslash: Glad you don't whale... though I hear waling works too [2015-02-18 18:50:55] DrunkenDraconian: I just picture Frog and Crono blubbering while they crit the shit out of Yackra [2015-02-18 18:51:02] DrunkenDraconian: Lucca Why? [2015-02-18 18:52:48] Redslash: Ha ha, dang... BibleThump [2015-02-18 18:54:33] Redslash: I have an idea for leading up to Masamune, but... I have no idea if the any% script will still work [2015-02-18 18:54:41] Redslash: Would have to play up to there and check it [2015-02-18 18:56:12] DrunkenDraconian: i need to level out beforehand [2015-02-18 18:56:27] DrunkenDraconian: there are 10 battles in my route before masamune [2015-02-18 18:57:00] Redslash: Ah I see... Are you fading out Zombor, btw? [2015-02-18 18:57:19] DrunkenDraconian: how? [2015-02-18 18:57:27] DrunkenDraconian: don't you need to save? [2015-02-18 18:57:45] DrunkenDraconian: oh wait i see [2015-02-18 18:57:56] DrunkenDraconian: never tried that yet [2015-02-18 18:58:04] DrunkenDraconian: that's a lot of fading out [2015-02-18 18:58:19] ElGranJerry: it's a fun fadeout ;) [2015-02-18 18:59:11] DrunkenDraconian: 7 battles then [2015-02-18 18:59:46] DrunkenDraconian: must be faster [2015-02-18 19:00:05] DrunkenDraconian: as long as you don't mess up [2015-02-18 19:01:09] ElGranJerry: I think it might be faster to do the first fights? [2015-02-18 19:01:39] ElGranJerry: idk though [2015-02-18 19:05:08] DrunkenDraconian: so you can do all 3? [2015-02-18 19:05:49] ElGranJerry: idk really, just guessing [2015-02-18 19:05:56] ElGranJerry: Never tried doing all [2015-02-18 19:19:02] Redslash: Yep, all 3 [2015-02-18 19:58:32] ElGranJerry: Kreygasm [2015-02-18 20:10:02] Redslash: So, hmm... why did we start using the bucket to make the Old Man say "Hey"? [2015-02-18 20:10:30] Redslash: It's a bit closer, but you can't move back towards him immediately, lol [2015-02-18 20:10:59] ElGranJerry: hmm iirc someone told me it was faster [2015-02-18 20:11:09] ElGranJerry: I used to go to the door to the gates [2015-02-18 20:13:36] Redslash: Same. Bucket just looked so cool I didn't even question it [2015-02-18 20:13:55] ElGranJerry: so is it slower? [2015-02-18 20:14:08] ElGranJerry: :O [2015-02-18 20:18:44] Redslash: Oh weird. It would be slower but he can say the wrong dialogue if you don't go far enough toward the pillars. So never mind [2015-02-18 20:19:35] ElGranJerry: what about towards epoch [2015-02-18 20:19:38] ElGranJerry: I've never tried that one [2015-02-18 20:20:20] Redslash: Doesn't trigger him, since nothing there yet [2015-02-18 20:20:51] ElGranJerry: ah k, makes sense [2015-02-18 20:58:08] Redslash: Masa script still works, confirmed =) But the Antipode must be last for both branches [2015-02-18 21:00:48] DrunkenDraconian: did you force it or get there from battles? [2015-02-18 21:01:44] DrunkenDraconian: that is one step closer to manipulation for early son of sun and elixir glitch [2015-02-18 21:12:41] Redslash: If you can beat slimes in the range 6A-B2 (R-Series beaten FB-0C), you're on that Masa track [2015-02-18 21:14:53] Redslash: Fully de-equip Crono and Marle for Heckran, right? [2015-02-18 21:15:43] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2015-02-18 21:16:16] DrunkenDraconian: i'm brainstorming stuff to work on tomorrow for the snowstorm [2015-02-18 21:16:46] DrunkenDraconian: do you have a flowchart or battles or something [2015-02-18 21:17:38] DrunkenDraconian: i know i'm supposed to "work backwards" but it's still confusing [2015-02-18 21:18:37] DrunkenDraconian: or do the windows just funnel down to that [2015-02-18 21:18:40] DrunkenDraconian: or.. [2015-02-18 21:18:48] *** *** [2015-02-18 21:19:17] DrunkenDraconian: is this the on on the webpage? [2015-02-18 21:19:32] ElGranJerry: idk, red sent this a few months ago [2015-02-18 21:19:33] Redslash: Huh, when did I post that [2015-02-18 21:19:56] Redslash: Hehe, it's just really messy X) [2015-02-18 21:20:03] Redslash: I'm thinking of ways to make it easier to use [2015-02-18 21:20:41] ElGranJerry: October 1, 2014 [2015-02-18 21:20:53] eLmaGus: btw [2015-02-18 21:20:59] eLmaGus: are the speedrun.com leaderboards fixed yet? [2015-02-18 21:21:43] ElGranJerry: I got supermod there, whatever that is [2015-02-18 21:21:46] DrunkenDraconian: like, is there a rule of after x battles there are x possible outcomes? [2015-02-18 21:21:49] ElGranJerry: and did minor changes, not that many [2015-02-18 21:21:54] eLmaGus: SUPERMOD :O [2015-02-18 21:22:06] ElGranJerry: I can add any of you guys to change stuff if you want [2015-02-18 21:22:09] Redslash: Oh baby [2015-02-18 21:22:20] Redslash: Hold on DD, I'll show you what kind of thing I use... [2015-02-18 21:22:22] eLmaGus: nah man [2015-02-18 21:22:26] eLmaGus: i dont use speedrun.com [2015-02-18 21:22:44] ElGranJerry: neither do I. I just fixed the mistakes [2015-02-18 21:22:53] ElGranJerry: Like the Sidequests listed for 100% were not complete [2015-02-18 21:22:55] ElGranJerry: stuff like that [2015-02-18 21:23:24] ElGranJerry: plugged in the wikidot page there [2015-02-18 21:23:46] DrunkenDraconian: I've always wanted to pour the beer on tata's grave for 100% [2015-02-18 21:24:45] ElGranJerry: or just fadeout the cutscene :O [2015-02-18 21:28:59] DrunkenDraconian: and get the Nagaette pin up poster lol [2015-02-18 21:29:26] ElGranJerry: lmao [2015-02-18 21:39:54] Redslash: So, ahem... I use this kind of sheet https://www.dropbox.com/s/98vycnpvxvpwl2v/RNG_E-0218.xls?dl=0 [2015-02-18 21:40:18] Redslash: It's kind of flowchart-y if you add highlights [2015-02-18 21:41:59 | Edited 21:48:41] Redslash: Black numbers are what the value gets initialized to, blue numbers (row beneath) is where the value ends (sometimes approximate) [2015-02-18 21:44:29] DrunkenDraconian: oh dude [2015-02-18 21:44:38] DrunkenDraconian: DDgasm [2015-02-18 21:50:43] DrunkenDraconian: scientist indeed [2015-02-18 21:54:58] ElGranJerry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf31t7A_cj0 <-- cool song [2015-02-18 22:02:31] Redslash: very nice [2015-02-18 22:07:18] DrunkenDraconian: tomorrow's snowstorm will be very productive [2015-02-18 22:07:31] DrunkenDraconian: that info is amazing [2015-02-18 22:12:14] Redslash: Yay, I'm glad =) [2015-02-18 22:12:44] ElGranJerry: w000t [2015-02-18 22:13:04] ElGranJerry: we never get snow here :( [2015-02-19 6:43:37] DrunkenDraconian: be glad about that Jerry, my city is entombed in 4 ft of solid ice [2015-02-19 7:43:38] ElGranJerry: yeah I guess, but a change from the usual 40 degree temperatures would be nice :P [2015-02-20 13:38:07] ElGranJerry: Hey Red, congrats on the PB! [2015-02-20 13:38:10] ElGranJerry: WR hype [2015-02-20 13:56:00] Redslash: Aw thanks dude. Feels good putting a time up finally X) [2015-02-20 13:56:12] Redslash: Hoping to get a better one tonight but we'll see [2015-02-20 13:57:09] ElGranJerry: where can the big timesavers come from? [2015-02-20 13:57:17] ElGranJerry: I missed it sadly, watching some bits atm [2015-02-20 13:58:11] ElGranJerry: btw. Twitch Announcement: Chrono Trigger is the only game that can be streamed on Twitch. Confirmed. No kapparoni [2015-02-20 14:11:57] Redslash: Lol... my Desert was dumb, tried to be patient with the load but was taking it too fast. Mmm bunch of other stuff [2015-02-20 14:16:05] Redslash: I guess 1.5 min to Desert, 1 min to bad Masa backup, 30 sec around reviving Lucca at R-Series, compared to my sum of bests (3:03) [2015-02-20 14:19:02 | Edited 14:19:14] Redslash: (Sum of bests counting from Wednesday, heh) [2015-02-20 14:25:46] ElGranJerry: noice [2015-02-20 14:28:53] ElGranJerry: hopefully I can catch your future runs. 2:59 hype [2015-02-20 14:31:32] Redslash: Yeah... I'll be at this like another week, and then I'm moving. That's what brought this on X) [2015-02-20 15:47:33] ElGranJerry: Oh I see. Good luck with that mate [2015-02-20 15:47:48] ElGranJerry: And hopefully sub 3 before that #believe [2015-02-21 0:14:03] Redslash: Have this idea to set Frog's menu to Item when running from Lizardactyls... I'll try it tomorrow [2015-02-21 0:14:22] eLmaGus: for what [2015-02-21 0:14:53] Redslash: For... any% [2015-02-21 0:15:01] eLmaGus: yeah but why would you do that [2015-02-21 0:15:30] Redslash: So you don't have to worry about it at Magus shell form [2015-02-21 0:15:35] eLmaGus: l o l [2015-02-21 0:16:08] eLmaGus: i mean suit yourself [2015-02-21 0:18:36] Redslash: I just might [2015-02-21 0:19:01] eLmaGus: i heard its a common issue that people forget, personally i never did before [2015-02-21 0:20:17] Redslash: Or if you're too slow / not sure if it's gonna die [2015-02-21 0:20:53] eLmaGus: uuuhhh is there a scenario where you arent sure? [2015-02-21 0:21:27] Redslash: Always. Or, your first run. Lol [2015-02-21 0:21:39] eLmaGus: loooool [2015-02-21 0:21:58] eLmaGus: i mean it doesnt make a difference where you do it i guess [2015-02-21 0:22:05] eLmaGus: unless you mess up running away ;) [2015-02-21 0:22:37] Redslash: Well, you're supposed to not use menu there to run away, so you can read their movement [2015-02-21 0:22:41] Redslash: Seems pretty convenient [2015-02-21 0:23:58] eLmaGus: you could also do it at magus HEH [2015-02-21 0:24:26] eLmaGus: would be kind of funny to do it there so you have it setup for the refight [2015-02-21 0:25:40] Redslash: Set it during Ozzie maybe [2015-02-21 0:26:55] eLmaGus: huh right you only do X anyways [2015-02-21 0:27:11] eLmaGus: plenty of possibilities [2015-02-21 0:27:35] Redslash: Ahh but having it set to Attack on Magus is good, in case you wanna mash A [2015-02-21 0:27:45] eLmaGus: yeah thats what i usually do [2015-02-21 0:27:50] eLmaGus: since ATB is kind of bad in that fight [2015-02-21 0:28:00] Redslash: So Lizards it is [2015-02-21 0:28:25] eLmaGus: just put on the bottom of every fight "set frog to item", in one of those fights you will do it [2015-02-21 0:28:31] eLmaGus: ; ) [2015-02-21 11:11:50] Will: Hey Red, I found something about the Acid fights not sure if you already got it. [2015-02-21 11:12:43] Will: Once the start fights, RNG will create a value in 7F020C, if that value is less than 80, it spawns a certain amount of Acids, but it's guaranteed to spawn at least one acid. [2015-02-21 11:13:42] Ottavino: acids and alkaline are determined by adress 7E1425, 1427, 1429, 142B and 142D [2015-02-21 11:14:08] Ottavino: their values are set on the frame you enter the room [2015-02-21 11:14:30] Will: oh interesting [2015-02-21 11:14:52] Ottavino: 6 is an acid, 7 is an alkaline [2015-02-21 11:15:03] DrunkenDraconian: O.o? [2015-02-21 11:16:21] Will: I will look out for those addresses; I am probably wrong [2015-02-21 11:17:10] Ottavino: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=141023#141023 that's what inichi found, but it's not minute, it's second [2015-02-21 11:18:06] Will: thanks, this helps a lot [2015-02-21 11:20:40] Ottavino: but there are maybe other adresses, because if with cheats i force these adresses to all 7, it doesn't change the enemys [2015-02-21 11:25:25] Will: very interesting [2015-02-21 11:25:42] Will: maybe if I play around with 7F020C and those addresses I hope I can get something [2015-02-21 11:26:24] Ottavino: if you find a way to manipulate this battle, it's awesome :) [2015-02-21 11:29:09] DrunkenDraconian: it sounds like the 6s and 7s are derived from the same thing as the mix instead of being the source of it [2015-02-21 11:45:54] Will: found something, if 7F020C = 55h, then all the acid values turn to 7 meaning all alkaline (green) [2015-02-21 11:47:06] Will: I will be looking further into this; according to the event list, as long as that address is below 80, should be all green. Hrmm. [2015-02-21 12:33:10] Will: so alkaline have the same value every minute, taking that into consideration, I've found 3 values in 7F020C that correspond to all green: 55, 85, 46 (2-bit unsigned) [2015-02-21 12:36:35] Will: 2-byte unsigned, sorry. 37h, 55h, 2Eh in 2-byte hex [2015-02-21 12:40:25] Ottavino: if it can help: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxejRfWEtJZnlfblU/edit [2015-02-21 12:41:13] Ottavino: found on http://geigercount.net/crypt/index.html [2015-02-21 12:43:04] Will: thanks ottavino, I get some addresses from there [2015-02-21 13:33:53 | Edited 13:34:46] Redslash: Using the frame during that room transition (7e0400), 7e14xx is a substring from this sequence: 66777776 76667767 67666766 67776666 76767766 66666776 76676677 77676677 [2015-02-21 13:34:11] Redslash: That's as far as I got, would be amazing if there's more to it =) [2015-02-21 13:44:51] Will: which frame do you use to count? I've been counting the frame right before lag frames [2015-02-21 13:45:21] Redslash: 7e0400 is the gametime frame [2015-02-21 13:45:55] Will: gotcha [2015-02-21 14:30:01] Ottavino: with ram Watch, it seems you can't watch all the values 7f020c takes when you enter the room, but with a trace logger, here what i get: 6C, 5A, 71, 2E and 55 [2015-02-21 14:30:17] Ottavino: for 5 alkalines [2015-02-21 14:35:36] Will: interesting find [2015-02-21 14:36:09] Will: great find actually [2015-02-21 14:38:17] Ottavino: and it confirms it's part of a sequence, because if i enter 1 frame after, i get 5A, 71, 2E, 55 and D6 [2015-02-21 14:39:00] Will: yep, you are right [2015-02-21 14:50:23] Ottavino: lol first line of the critical table: B1 CA EE 6C 5A 71 2E 55 D6 00 CC 99 90 6B 7D EB 4F [2015-02-21 14:50:39] Redslash: oh wow [2015-02-21 14:52:27] Ottavino: i always wondered where inichi found this values [2015-02-21 14:52:46] Ottavino: finally an answer :) [2015-02-21 15:12:06] Ottavino: cycle begins on CA EE 6C 5A 71 on frame 1, it's at 60 B5 9D 7F 45 on frame 60, and it loops... too bad it loops here, because after in this table there is 7F 45 37 50 44 78 04 19 2C which are all alkalines :( [2015-02-21 15:17:44] Redslash: Makes sense that it's an all-purpose "random value" table... maybe the guards use too [2015-02-21 15:18:58] Redslash: Bummer that we can't get those greens =( [2015-02-21 18:48:37] ElGranJerry: :( RIP THE DREAM [2015-02-21 19:00:55] eLmaGus: well dang [2015-02-22 13:22:37] Puwexil: for the slash fight, what's the reason for crono using the 2nd mid tonic instead of robo? [2015-02-22 13:22:51] Puwexil: I just tried having robo do it and the rest of the fight seemed to play out the same [2015-02-22 13:24:41] Ottavino: did you wait for slash attack before using the mid tonic? [2015-02-22 13:27:10] Puwexil: for him to attack frog? no [2015-02-22 13:27:27] Puwexil: I had robo use the mid tonic and then held X so crono would attack before slash attacked frog [2015-02-22 13:27:48] Puwexil: 2nd practice fight I took too long and slash attacked frog before crono attacked him, but that didn't change the rest of the fight [2015-02-22 13:28:23] Ottavino: what system do you use? snes or vc? [2015-02-22 13:28:45] Puwexil: SNES console normally - using bizhawk emulator to practice [2015-02-22 13:30:18] Ottavino: because this fight is different between snes/emu and vc. iirc originally it was robo who gave the mid tonic, but it didn't work on vc, so i changed to chrono to get a fight working on both versions [2015-02-22 13:31:04] Puwexil: ah, ok [2015-02-22 13:31:25] Puwexil: I'll try it on console quick to make sure the robo midtonic works there too [2015-02-22 13:46:25] Puwexil: worked fine on console too - I'm resetting before entering magus' castle if that matters [2015-02-22 13:55:07] Ottavino: reset doesn't matter [2015-02-22 13:55:20] Ottavino: i'll test on dolphin [2015-02-22 13:55:39] Ottavino: (it's long, i'm at the trial) [2015-02-22 15:28:25] Ottavino: ok i remember why i didn't chose this strat, the timing for the mid tonic is too precise, even if you got it on frog, chrono need to attack before slash or the end of the fight is messed up (robo attacks instead of chrono and chrono takes the 1st yes indeed) [2015-02-22 15:32:06] Ottavino: also i didn't find a way to put robo cursor on item, so you need to do up and A to throw the mid tonic. if someone has an idea to get his cursor on item before this fight, we'll have a new strat much safer [2015-02-22 21:01:34] ElGranJerry: What does touching the loading zones and going back do? [2015-02-22 21:01:46] ElGranJerry: reduce lag? [2015-02-22 21:01:55] ElGranJerry: I see the tas does it and red did it yesterday [2015-02-22 21:02:04] ElGranJerry: or a couple days ago [2015-02-22 21:02:08] DrunkenDraconian: swag [2015-02-22 21:02:13] Ottavino: fun [2015-02-22 21:02:47] ElGranJerry: No time for swag in speedrunning [2015-02-22 21:02:51] ElGranJerry: Kappa [2015-02-22 21:04:16] DrunkenDraconian: just look at the fade out like an autoscroller [2015-02-22 21:04:44] Ottavino: fun fact: getting the pendant upgraded is not enough for the swallow, you need to get through the cutscene who blocks -12k [2015-02-22 21:06:55] Ottavino: I hacked chrono position to get away from zeal palace after upgraded the pendant, and i can open sealed chest but nothing happens at the pyramid [2015-02-22 21:07:42] ElGranJerry: oooh, that's interesting [2015-02-22 21:08:15] ElGranJerry: and why the 12k? [2015-02-22 21:08:26] Ottavino: antiquity [2015-02-22 21:08:41] Ottavino: sorry i call it -12k [2015-02-22 21:08:51] ElGranJerry: no problem, I got it now [2015-02-22 21:08:58] ElGranJerry: I was thinking money [2015-02-22 21:09:36] ElGranJerry: http://www.twitch.tv/tasattack Has been streaming the CT TAS for a while [2015-02-22 21:09:51] ElGranJerry: I watched it yesterday and again today lol [2015-02-22 21:11:50] Puwexil: are they using kilaye's TAS at least? [2015-02-22 21:12:04] Puwexil: they almost did a horribly outdated FF4 TAS a few weeks ago [2015-02-22 21:12:22] Ottavino: right now it's kilaye's one [2015-02-22 21:12:25] ElGranJerry: yeah they are [2015-02-22 21:12:27] Puwexil: (y) [2015-02-22 21:12:34] ElGranJerry: They have a lot of outdated ones I've noticed [2015-02-22 21:12:59] ElGranJerry: Or maybe they just have a lot of them, including older ones, idk [2015-02-22 21:14:40] ElGranJerry: Good run btw puwexil, congrats again [2015-02-22 21:14:53] Puwexil: thx :) [2015-02-22 21:15:12] Puwexil: tons of stuff to get better at, but not bad for a 1st full run [2015-02-22 21:16:06] ElGranJerry: for sure :) [2015-02-23 13:17:25 | Edited 13:17:50] Redslash: Mammon Machine elixir glitch is very mysterious to me... opening any menu before the attack happens, makes it fail [2015-02-23 13:18:32] Puwexil: I haven't been able to do it even with savestates [2015-02-23 13:18:44] Puwexil: only elixir glitch I've seriously attempted [2015-02-23 13:23:02] Redslash: I'm trying to think of something not obvious you might be missing... your speed must be good, and equipment... [2015-02-23 13:23:21] Puwexil: I hacked my file to remove some extra speed/magic tabs I'd used, just to make sure [2015-02-23 13:24:00] Redslash: Battle Speed probably needs to be precise too, I'll double-check [2015-02-23 13:24:15] Puwexil: damage #'s from mammon machine's energy release match ottavino's video, but if I open the menu and select the elixir afterwards, nothing special happens [2015-02-23 13:24:19] Puwexil: was using BS4 [2015-02-23 13:24:49] Redslash: Hmm... [2015-02-23 13:26:38] Redslash: You pointed to the elixir and pressed A,X,X? [2015-02-23 13:27:29] Puwexil: I tried many things, mostly A-(any d-pad input)-A [2015-02-23 13:28:12] Puwexil: the only in-depth elixir glitch writeups I could find were for any%, which didn't sound any more involved than selecting the elixir, changing the target to the enemy, and confirming [2015-02-23 13:30:12] Puwexil: I talked to Essentia and she just added that once you've selected the elixir the wait battle mode gets messed up and you have to confirm the target before getting attacked [2015-02-23 13:31:25] Puwexil: but even that isn't happening for me - magus is the only valid target and the mammon machine doesn't get any more turns until I exit the menu completely [2015-02-23 13:33:52] Redslash: The first A of the elixir glitch input returns you to the Attack-Tech-Item selection (though it's invisible), so ATB is counting again. The XX is actually for the purpose of attacking. In place of XX you could hit down (moving from Item to Attack) then AA. [2015-02-23 13:34:31 | Edited 13:39:19] Redslash: If Magus is being targetted that's still a problem, but that's explanation of the inputs [2015-02-23 13:36:52] Puwexil: think I spent about 2 hours trying pretty much every input sequence that made any kind of sense, both before and after the 'mammon machine stands still' message [2015-02-23 13:37:47] Puwexil: assuming that nothing really matters before you select the elixir, since in most videos I've seen the runner fumbles around in the menu looking for the elixir for a few seconds [2015-02-23 13:40:44] ElGranJerry: are you waiting for the double Haliation in the Queen Zeal fight before the last omega flare? [2015-02-23 13:41:00] Puwexil: yes [2015-02-23 13:41:00] ElGranJerry: That's the only thing I can think about that might be messing it [2015-02-23 13:41:11] ElGranJerry: :/ [2015-02-23 13:41:23] Puwexil: unless BS requirement is different between SNES and VC [2015-02-23 13:42:06] Redslash: I guess it's true this hasn't been done on SNES before... heh [2015-02-23 13:42:31] Puwexil: also assuming nothing that happens in the battles before zeal 1 affect it because of resetting after 5x panel, and that your HP doesn't matter because of hallation [2015-02-23 13:47:01] Redslash: But you're trying on emulator anyway... which version? [2015-02-23 13:47:08] Puwexil: bizhawk 1.9.1 [2015-02-23 15:02:13] Redslash: Lol I've been attacking the wrong Diablos... FailFish [2015-02-23 16:26:04] Redslash: Wow, Ayla's base crit rate is 23 like Frog, not 20 like Marle/Lucca... so she crits on green numbers =P [2015-02-23 16:27:32] Redslash: Unless! wait a minute... [2015-02-23 16:28:59] Redslash: Yeah seems to be the case [2015-02-23 16:42:23] Redslash: For Mammon Machine elixir, it even matters the precise character order. Lucca-Robo-Magus not Robo-Lucca-Magus... [2015-02-23 16:53:25] Redslash: Gloom Cape / Terra Arm doesn't seem to matter tho [2015-02-23 17:11:47 | Edited 17:16:54] Redslash: Holy smokes, moving the cursor at all before the Machine attacks (besides up/down), makes it fail. Once it attacks though you have all the time in the world, even elixir glitch during Point Flare =P [2015-02-23 19:16:47] ElGranJerry: you can skip the little flashback talks before getting epoch by using SA [2015-02-23 19:16:59] ElGranJerry: I was hoping it would do something more cool, kinda useless this [2015-02-23 19:17:49] ElGranJerry: I don't think we have SA when coming into the future in 100% [2015-02-23 19:18:30] Puwexil: I think last time before that is the beasts' nest [2015-02-23 19:20:22] ElGranJerry: yeah, and there is really no quick way to get SA in 2300 AD, so rip [2015-02-23 19:20:47] ElGranJerry: I did Arris Dome FadeOut, took like 2 minutes lmao [2015-02-23 19:21:20] Puwexil: is there a save in the sewers? I forget [2015-02-23 19:21:39] ElGranJerry: hmm, not sure really [2015-02-23 19:21:43] ElGranJerry: There's the fake one [2015-02-23 19:22:02] Puwexil: yeah, which doesn't even work if you do the fight IIRC [2015-02-23 19:22:29] ElGranJerry: yup [2015-02-23 19:27:18] ElGranJerry: I didn't know you can't open the menu in Death Peak [2015-02-23 19:27:24] ElGranJerry: In the 1st screen [2015-02-23 19:27:43] Puwexil: me neither, though I can see that being there to keep you from trying to mess with the wind physics [2015-02-23 19:28:00] Puwexil: maybe try changing controls? :P [2015-02-23 19:28:07] DrunkenDraconian: ^ [2015-02-23 19:28:20] ElGranJerry: worth a shot :) [2015-02-23 19:28:57] ElGranJerry: :( [2015-02-23 19:29:00] ElGranJerry: Doesn't work [2015-02-23 19:30:21] Redslash: Fadeout Guardian was intended, I'm tellin ya [2015-02-23 19:30:54] ElGranJerry: Also tried to do something with the PTab text, nothing :/ [2015-02-23 19:31:04] ElGranJerry: I am starting to think that too Red [2015-02-23 19:32:03] DrunkenDraconian: you can almost tell that certain events that should be the same effectively were programmed by different people or at different stages of development [2015-02-23 19:32:55] ElGranJerry: oooh, that would actually make sense [2015-02-23 19:33:05] Redslash: In Japanese, the rat even says "Careful, if you changed your controls the password will be different" Lol... [2015-02-23 19:33:16] DrunkenDraconian: what, lol [2015-02-23 19:33:20] ElGranJerry: no way [2015-02-23 19:33:22] ElGranJerry: really? [2015-02-23 19:33:24] ElGranJerry: wow [2015-02-23 19:33:55] DrunkenDraconian: btw what are your binds red? just curious [2015-02-23 19:34:25] Redslash: Switched X and A, and dash on L [2015-02-23 19:35:02] Redslash: I feel dash on L makes it easier to "snipe" chests, as I'm running by [2015-02-23 19:35:45] ElGranJerry: How much does getting SA from EoT to 2300 take? This SA in Keeper's saves 18 seconds [2015-02-23 19:36:11] ElGranJerry: I am guessing it's not worth it lol [2015-02-23 19:36:48] DrunkenDraconian: i remeber a save by the exit of the sewers, can't place it exactly.. too far? [2015-02-23 19:37:06] ElGranJerry: hmmm [2015-02-23 19:37:17] ElGranJerry: There's the fake one we go through, but I can't remember another one [2015-02-23 19:37:24] ElGranJerry: The SA doesn't deactivate when I go through there [2015-02-23 19:45:53] Redslash: But yeah, I think developers during this time added little shortcuts for themselves for testing, and left some in just for fun =) [2015-02-23 19:46:03] Redslash: Maybe to see if playtesters could find them before launch, lol [2015-02-23 19:47:48] Redslash: I mean, why would you be disallowed from opening the menu there, it makes no sense. So it must be a hint [2015-02-23 19:51:48] DrunkenDraconian: maytbe it was too easy to bypass the gate early [2015-02-23 19:52:24] DrunkenDraconian: all that would happen is getting wrecked by spawns [2015-02-23 19:53:09] DrunkenDraconian: i assume it would be THE place to power level early [2015-02-23 19:54:21] Redslash: Oh... maybe. I wonder how hard the fight is. [2015-02-23 19:54:51] DrunkenDraconian: even the regular fights give like 30TP [2015-02-23 19:55:53] DrunkenDraconian: and super sweet gear [2015-02-23 19:57:33] Redslash: Ohhh you mean Lavos Spawns, I was still on Guardian room "spawns" [2015-02-23 19:57:55] Redslash: So I was confused a bit haha [2015-02-23 19:58:17] DrunkenDraconian: yeah sorry lol [2015-02-23 19:59:12] Redslash: If you could get up there that early... dang... [2015-02-23 19:59:37] DrunkenDraconian: also the Magus spoil [2015-02-23 20:07:04] Redslash: Man, it's not fair is it? The 2nd tree is right there [2015-02-23 20:07:43] ElGranJerry: Yeah :/ You get so close go it [2015-02-23 20:10:54] Redslash: Now I'm trying stuff like walking down when the wind blows, lol... let me up there [2015-02-23 20:14:23] ElGranJerry: Same dude. I am there atm lmao [2015-02-23 20:14:29] Redslash: There must be 1 tile somewhere where you can menu X) [2015-02-23 20:14:35] ElGranJerry: We need to make it! [2015-02-23 20:20:42] Redslash: LRA must be the key, yo [2015-02-23 20:21:24] ElGranJerry: Yo [2015-02-23 20:21:36] ElGranJerry: Kreygasm [2015-02-23 20:27:29] ElGranJerry: I feel the power tab could come into play somehow [2015-02-23 20:27:47] ElGranJerry: Idk though. Probably impossible [2015-02-23 20:43:37 | Edited 20:43:50] Redslash: It's neat how the doll has 4 tiles around it that aren't slippery (before/after you create the tree), but when you return it's all slippery again. Anyway, giving up [2015-02-23 21:16:39] ElGranJerry: :/ [2015-02-23 21:18:08] ElGranJerry: what about standing on the tiles where the doll is supposed to be, maybe the doll is invisible there rofl [2015-02-23 21:18:13] ElGranJerry: anyways I give up as well haha [2015-02-23 21:18:17] ElGranJerry: thinking nonsense now [2015-02-23 21:39:30] DrunkenDraconian: guys I can start playing CT again! I finally beat Isaac: Rebirth [2015-02-24 1:33:31] Redslash: Huzzah! X) DD hype [2015-02-24 1:37:34] Redslash: Today I lost a pretty good run. Kinda went south after Magus, basically. Gotta practice Ret and Shell a bit [2015-02-24 1:54:13] Redslash: When I saw only had 1 Ether 1 FE before Gigagaia, I thought I was still fine... and I was, I could've done 8 Falcons... but during the fight I forgot the FE existed. That was the goof. [2015-02-24 5:13:03] Redslash: Got my shell straightened out... and that menu glitch isn't so bad, 4.5 seconds after "Ayla no give up!" [2015-02-24 11:58:35] Will: does anyone know if there is a timing thing for Marle to cast haste on herself during the beginning of Lavos Shell Final Form? [2015-02-24 14:00:34] Will: disregard [2015-02-24 22:18:54 | Edited 22:21:23] Redslash: 3-tap Captain skip... I'm a believer now [2015-02-24 22:20:26] Redslash: One tap on the right, double-tap on the left, it's too good =/ [2015-02-24 22:22:55] Puwexil: captain skip? [2015-02-24 22:26:56 | Edited 22:27:57] Redslash: 1st part of "Zombor skip" but I don't find Zombor the key player in it, just my opinion X) [2015-02-25 3:30:29] Ottavino: NEW WR!!! SUB 3!!!! HYPE!!! [2015-02-25 4:01:35] Redslash: <3 https://secure.twitch.tv/redslash/v/41247553 [2015-02-25 4:02:58] Will: Yeah?! [2015-02-25 4:03:03] Will: Congrats! [2015-02-25 4:11:59] Will: awesome man! congrats, all the hardwork definitely paid off [2015-02-25 4:15:13] Redslash: Thank you! Couldn't have done it without everyone's help =) Glad to show off all the cool things we've worked on [2015-02-25 4:22:10] Redslash: I feel very satisfied with the late game tho I did take my time, I guess the middle was good, and I'm really sorry about the 1st hour, lol [2015-02-25 4:26:19] Redslash: But ok it was solid. Amazing guards and stuff actually [2015-02-25 6:05:39] Redslash: Welp, for Magus backup you can do Tata load (1s) and run from the bats... costs 10 seconds but yeah... [2015-02-25 6:07:35] Redslash: Let's get hard loads outta the route, they ain't fun =P [2015-02-25 6:12:42] Redslash: (I'll go for 2.5 Desert load again, eventually) [2015-02-25 6:37:26] DrunkenDraconian: always when I'm sleeping :) WOW sub 3!! [2015-02-25 6:43:22] DrunkenDraconian: jeez man -4 min [2015-02-25 7:06:55] Redslash: Magus says the bikerace is the best part... this run tried so hard to die, lol [2015-02-25 7:40:27] SnesWarrior: Siiick dude just woke up to an inch of snow and a new CT WR. Even cut the 2:59, gratz dude! [2015-02-25 7:54:33] ElGranJerry: Amazing man, congrats :) Super well deserved :D [2015-02-25 7:54:44] ElGranJerry: So sad I missed it though :/ [2015-02-25 7:56:42] SnesWarrior: Same. Rewatching it now though. Gotta look for that splice! Kappa b [2015-02-25 8:00:25] ElGranJerry: haha [2015-02-25 8:21:14] ElGranJerry: 2:58:57 at last input Red ;) [2015-02-25 9:43:43] ElGranJerry: Do I need to have multiple irc clients open to be connected to srl and twitch chats at the same time? [2015-02-25 9:43:53] ElGranJerry: super noob irc user here [2015-02-25 9:44:20] Puwexil: the client I use (icechat) lets you have multiple server connections [2015-02-25 9:46:03] ElGranJerry: oh, that's cool. I will look into it :) Thanks [2015-02-25 20:37:40] Will: hey Redslash, I'm kinda puzzled on the whole loading screen scrolling tech, can you elaborate? [2015-02-25 21:07:12 | Edited 21:09:08] Redslash: Ah yo. In fact, since the only real major loads now are the 1sec (#4) and 2sec (#5), I might simplify it again... If you're counting "point-5-and-1, point-5-and-2, point-5-and-3, point-5-..." the "and-3, point-5" makes a full scroll. For the next 2 beats ("and-4") you can press Right-A to land #4 [2015-02-25 21:09:54] Redslash: Or continue pressing Up for "and-4, point-5", and press Right-A on the "and-5" to get #5 [2015-02-25 21:10:39 | Edited 21:13:03] Redslash: All that's left then is the mash load, the bright, and the "double-bright" (as I would call Truce Canyon load) [2015-02-25 21:13:39] Redslash: (Don't scroll for Truce Canyon, changed my mind =] ) [2015-02-25 21:15:19] Will: thanks, I'll give it a try. for the m.mune fight, that's up to 6? want to make sure I have it right [2015-02-25 21:15:48] Will: 6+ rather [2015-02-25 21:16:14] Redslash: Masamune is #5, same for Magus Castle backup, and the safe Desert load I did [2015-02-25 21:16:42] Will: ohh gotcha, was looking at the wrong graph [2015-02-25 21:19:35] Will: I feel this is going to help me out a ton [2015-02-25 21:20:55] DrunkenDraconian: i usually time my loads on the visual cue of the screen fading in [2015-02-25 21:21:45] Will: usually that works for me, for the bright loads, but for tata and desert lately, I can't nail it down [2015-02-25 21:21:58] ElGranJerry: Will, you gave me a great idea. I found my old watch [2015-02-25 21:22:08] ElGranJerry: Every time I press start I will start the stopwatch [2015-02-25 21:22:12] ElGranJerry: can't fail [2015-02-25 21:23:20] Puwexil: that's basically what I've been doing for the Mt.Woe load [2015-02-25 21:23:20] Will: man, that's what I need too. maybe something like a voice activated timer too [2015-02-25 21:23:24] ElGranJerry: gotta say it works like a charm [2015-02-25 21:23:31] Puwexil: with a separate timer program on my PC [2015-02-25 21:24:09] ElGranJerry: noice. that's a good idea puwexil [2015-02-25 21:24:48] ElGranJerry: I gotta dig into that. Tired of missing the 2.5-2.75 load [2015-02-25 21:39:15] Will: might have to settle on a simple phone app for the timer [2015-02-25 21:52:05] Redslash: Guess what I'm practicing.... [2015-02-25 21:52:42] Will: Low% ice beam? [2015-02-25 21:54:44] ElGranJerry: all endings? [2015-02-25 21:55:02 | Edited 21:55:13] Redslash: Loool... no, it looks like multiples of 3 hits on Johnny (including 0) is safest. 3n+1 is like guaranteed failure for me [2015-02-25 21:55:45] ElGranJerry: oooh, interesting [2015-02-25 21:57:05] Will: Is it me or is his bumping behavior different after so many meters? [2015-02-25 21:59:05] ElGranJerry: hmm, I've never noticed [2015-02-26 2:55:52] Redslash: Metronome for scrolls, how about that [2015-02-26 7:28:53] Will: hrmm [2015-02-26 7:32:58] SnesWarrior: Metronome is pretty reliable, i've never used one, but thats probably the closest to the method I use. And I'm pretty consistent at loads. Just practice counting to 6 or 7 at the same pace every time and then memorize where you should press the button within that count. Everyone kind of has their own method, but that one definitely works best for me. [2015-02-26 7:33:12] SnesWarrior: As well as just doing up/down presses for very short loads. [2015-02-26 7:34:11] Will: that's an excellent method, thanks for bringing it up [2015-02-26 16:01:28] Redslash: 164bpm seems perfect. If you close title screen on "1", then Tata skip is 9, Magus castle 11, Magus backup 12, and good Desert 13 [2015-02-26 16:12:06] Redslash: Maybe even 148bpm, one beat less for each [2015-02-26 16:13:58 | Edited 16:15:56] Redslash: Calculated to hit near the center of the window, and all that [2015-02-26 16:18:56] Redslash: This morning I was like, Where can I find a metronome, maybe my brother still has one... forgot we're in the digital age [2015-02-26 16:20:23] SnesWarrior: I actually start count as the save files appear. By the time the screen is fully bright thats the end of one, and a perfect retinite load for me in my count is right in the middle of "six" I have no clue what my bpm really is though since I just learned it with natural timing and not a clock or anything [2015-02-26 16:20:29] Ottavino: yeah, i know i use an app on my phone with my students [2015-02-26 19:48:09] ElGranJerry: So interesting what all of this has lead to [2015-02-26 19:48:14] ElGranJerry: The metronome works amazing lmao [2015-02-26 20:03:55] Redslash: I might be on #TeamFrog, guys... the way he saves those frames... [2015-02-26 20:35:40] EssentiaFour: hey guys, any tips for the Atropos skip? I'm having trouble getting it consistently [2015-02-26 20:38:22] ElGranJerry: Release B, can't remember for how long tough :/ Kinda rusty [2015-02-26 20:38:39] Puwexil: I've had the most luck standing on the left half of the green puddle on the ground and moving up into the wall, then holding up+left and mash A [2015-02-26 20:39:15] Puwexil: still fail it occasionally though - need to dig into it more [2015-02-26 20:39:36] Redslash: I found you don't have to press A at all, just run at it... there's a certain spot to start running though [2015-02-26 20:40:02] Ottavino: there is a consistant setup, i will make a image [2015-02-26 20:40:33] Redslash: Been a long time since I've done it =) [2015-02-26 20:40:58] EssentiaFour: that'd be great, ottavino [2015-02-26 20:44:43] Redslash: I dunno, all I do is stand against the slime puddle wall, facing up, and hold run+up+left... maybe there's a condition where that doesn't work [2015-02-26 20:47:20] Redslash: Ok yes, there's something missing [2015-02-26 20:48:07] Puwexil: I failed it 1st try in my PB because of hitting the switch before the cutscene trigger [2015-02-26 20:48:56] Puwexil: then did basically the same inputs 2nd try and got it [2015-02-26 20:49:21] EssentiaFour: yeah, I think that's what's been happening to me [2015-02-26 20:50:35] Puwexil: https://secure.twitch.tv/puwexil/v/3823168?t=4h00m30s if anyone wants to see how I tried to line it up [2015-02-26 20:51:00] Puwexil: 1st time i've failed because of hitting the switch too early - the last time I missed it was because of just hitting the cutscene trigger and losing control [2015-02-26 20:51:43] Ottavino: the run+up+left doesn't work on all frames [2015-02-26 20:55:44] Ottavino: 1 frame on 4 the cutscene doesn't trigger [2015-02-26 20:56:17] Ottavino: (and i realize that it was in fact my setup) [2015-02-26 20:57:09] Puwexil: would going to the far right wall to align, left, then up+left on the green puddle work any differently, or is it just random? [2015-02-26 20:58:59] Redslash: There is some way to do it. I was getting it on every frame, so it must be an even/odd pixel thing [2015-02-26 21:01:54] Redslash: If you run up the right side of the slime wall, you can get "odd" pixel and it works every frame [2015-02-26 21:02:02] Puwexil: in which case there should be some wall/corner you can run into to align [2015-02-26 21:02:29] EssentiaFour: hmm, well I just tried Puwexil's setup, and I got it 5 times in a row [2015-02-26 21:02:51] Puwexil: the one I did in my PB or going to the right wall? [2015-02-26 21:02:59] EssentiaFour: in your PB [2015-02-26 21:04:37] EssentiaFour: it's working a lot better for me now [2015-02-26 21:06:13] Puwexil: yeah, I just loaded my savestate and got it 6-7 times - didn't mash A this time either [2015-02-26 21:06:33] EssentiaFour: yeah, I wasn't mashing A either [2015-02-26 21:06:59] Puwexil: robo's animation isn't consistent - sometimes he's actually jumping and sometimes he's just flying up while facing left [2015-02-26 21:07:11] Puwexil: (which I hope happens in live runs :) ) [2015-02-26 21:07:58] EssentiaFour: I also discovered you don't have to go into the menu with X afterward [2015-02-26 21:08:06] EssentiaFour: you can still move around, even though the camera is messed up [2015-02-26 21:08:15] EssentiaFour: you get to see Atropos laser guard :) [2015-02-26 21:09:11] Puwexil: just got 2 failures, though for both of those I started on the right half of the puddle instead of left [2015-02-26 21:11:02 | Edited 21:12:44] Redslash: Yeah, as Otta said there's 1/4 chance of failure, if you have even pixel. Since running always moves you 2 pixels per frame, you need to either *walk straight into a left wall, or run upward against a right slope =) [2015-02-26 21:11:41] Ottavino: 1/4 [2015-02-26 21:11:44] Redslash: Er, right slope. Get pushed right while doing it. [2015-02-26 21:12:11] Redslash: My bad, meant 3/4 success [2015-02-26 21:13:53] Puwexil: hmm, running into the right side of the wall and then down and around is giving me 100% failure now [2015-02-26 21:14:52] Redslash: And sorry, I'm only talking about X-pixel... could be odd Y-pixel or something that does that, let's see... [2015-02-26 21:16:10] Ottavino: there is a setup like truce canyon skip: align robo with the center of the square and press run+up [2015-02-26 21:18:21] Puwexil: if I run up and let the wall left of the puddle push me left I'm just hitting the top wall without triggering either the switch or cutscene [2015-02-26 21:21:11] Redslash: Run up right side of the slime wall, is what I meant. =) [2015-02-26 21:21:23] Redslash: Better way though is to walk straight left after the Laserguard fight [2015-02-26 21:21:40] EssentiaFour: hmm, I haven't failed it since I started lining up with the left of the puddle and holding up+left [2015-02-26 21:21:48] EssentiaFour: but maybe I'm just being lucky [2015-02-26 21:22:51 | Edited 21:23:29] Ottavino: put robo here then run+up: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwNE1VQkEybV9WSW8/view [2015-02-26 21:25:31] EssentiaFour: that's working for me too, ottavino [2015-02-26 21:25:46] Puwexil: same, if I don't step too forward and trigger the cutscene [2015-02-26 21:27:48] EssentiaFour: thanks for the help - I'm getting the skip pretty much every time now [2015-02-26 21:30:26] Puwexil: haha, I just went into mother brain's room during the cutscene and part of her sprite spawned but no face [2015-02-26 21:33:45] Puwexil: fighting the final laser guards with the poyozo dolls already on the switches is pretty good too [2015-02-26 21:40:32] Redslash: Didn't imagine you could just walk past them, that's really cool [2015-02-26 21:41:07] Puwexil: sadly not looking like placing the dolls during the cutscene will actually save time though, because you have to go back to keep the cutscene moving [2015-02-26 21:42:16] Puwexil: also tried to see if I could 'store' the mother brain cutscene and get it to trigger immediately after atropos, but no dice [2015-02-26 22:17:44] Redslash: Anyway sorry if even/odd was confusing. Same principle determines waterfall skip at Denadoro, though =) [2015-02-26 22:24:46 | Edited 22:25:17] Redslash: You can see X coord at 7E1802, but generally right wall (also your default) is even, left wall is odd... Y never seems to matter [2015-02-26 22:27:23] Puwexil: cool, good to have [2015-02-26 22:27:36] Puwexil: what's the Y coord value out of curiocity? [2015-02-26 22:42:05] Redslash: Actually there must be a better address, this depends on the room... X/Y is at 1802/1882, or 1804/1884, or 1806/1886, etc =P [2015-02-27 3:09:49] Redslash: Welp, I tried X) Sold my 1 Fulltonic like an idiot (don't sell the final 4 things, I should've drilled that) [2015-02-27 3:10:50] Redslash: I lost 30s around Zombor tho, so it wasn't the run anyhow [2015-02-27 7:51:30] ElGranJerry: dang [2015-02-27 7:51:36] ElGranJerry: Skipping Enhasa Kreygasm [2015-02-27 9:48:51] Will: http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayssquaresoft [2015-02-27 9:48:59] Will: time to speedrun CT through twitch chat. [2015-02-27 11:24:27] ElGranJerry: lmao [2015-02-27 11:24:31] ElGranJerry: DD has the WR for that [2015-02-27 12:42:43] DrunkenDraconian: about 4 days [2015-02-28 2:31:27] Redslash: I updated RNG paste with the 148bpm, could use a lookover? http://pastebin.com/pn4nZsCw [2015-02-28 2:36:09] Redslash: Email will prob be best to contact me, while I'm on vacation: stlafreniere@gmail.com [2015-02-28 2:36:45 | Edited 2:36:56] Redslash: But yo if someone bops me, then I'm coming straight home ; ) [2015-02-28 2:41:40] Redslash: Your turn now, SW. FUNgineer [2015-03-01 14:54:36] SnesWarrior: Hehe, have a good vacation man. I think your record'll be safe for awhile unless Jerry binges some attempts.. Haven't had the urge to do any for a few days. Will probably subside once I finish learning the basics for this other game or find a job, one of the two to get some motivation. lol [2015-03-01 17:40:08] ElGranJerry: Have a good one red [2015-03-01 17:40:40] ElGranJerry: Your record is safe haha. I got a 3:01 in a practice run and I am happy with it, keeping that until I can play on a console [2015-03-01 17:41:12] ElGranJerry: 3:01:59, possible early split but whatever [2015-03-02 22:17:35] ElGranJerry: Will be doing 24 hour strum Saturday March 14 (only day I can really do it) If someone wants to race saturday afternoon/night it would be great [2015-03-02 22:17:40] ElGranJerry: either any or 100% [2015-03-02 23:16:23] Will: yay! [2015-03-02 23:59:13] Will: any tips on how to do the 600 ad pillar storage? no idea how to do that. [2015-03-03 7:42:47] SnesWarrior: If you mean getting the save anywhere glitch from end of time then its a a very low chance of working even when you do everything "correctly"(On English version anyways). I'd reccomend watching Kilaye's TAS and just mimic his exact movements. On the other hand. I would also suggest experimenting with other ways to get it to work. For instance on VC at least, it seems more consistent when you go to the savepoint and save/reset and attempt it from there. But if you were to do that in a run - save and quitting would cut out a lot of the time gain you would get. [2015-03-03 11:59:12] Will: I'm attempting it on JP :) [2015-03-03 12:26:00] SnesWarrior: On J version Redslash has the best setup and its a lot different than E version, you run to the lower-right corner or something like that. If you look up any of his LSS runs it should be in there. Luckily according to Red J version setup is 75% chance [2015-03-03 12:52:37] Redslash: Ahh forgot to highlight that run. You store 600 and mash in front of 1999 bucket (75% chance to get "600" prompt first, with a fast mash), and hold A thru both prompts. Then you zip past Spekkio's door - there's a sweet spot to switch party, such that you can run straight down-left to save [2015-03-03 13:00:07] Redslash: Oh and P3 needs to be far enough away, so yes I approach the bucket by starting in the bottom-right corner of the room and doing like an up-right/up run [2015-03-03 23:00:32] Obdajr: I can't get double crit to work very consistently at the start of tyrano lair... can anyone talk me through a couple things? [2015-03-03 23:00:58] Obdajr: ie; what i'm looking for finishing off magus [2015-03-03 23:03:01] Obdajr: also is there a backup load before tyrano lair at all? [2015-03-04 8:12:34] ElGranJerry: The no double crit thing happens when you kill Magus too fast (I don't know the exact values but I think you want 4D there and it's easy to get 4C) [2015-03-04 8:12:58] ElGranJerry: I've been skipping a Robo RocketPunch turn and been getting the crits 100% of the time now [2015-03-04 8:13:16] ElGranJerry: and no, there is no backup load before TL atm :/ [2015-03-04 8:14:35] ElGranJerry: For the reptite fight if ayla doesn't crit it's Ayla Attack, Chrono Slash, marle attack and ayla will crit the 2nd one [2015-03-04 9:59:34] eLmaGus: Jerry i can has race with you on 14th if you want [2015-03-04 10:27:11] ElGranJerry: cool <3 [2015-03-04 10:27:34] ElGranJerry: what time suits you best? I can start the stream any time from 3pm (my time) onward [2015-03-04 12:34:58] SnesWarrior: Yo Obda, a back up load after Magus and before Tyrano Lair is just before entering mountains to get the pterodactlys, save on the world map before entering and do a "bright load" (same as lavos shell backup at end of time) [2015-03-04 12:35:07] SnesWarrior: So you can practice TL with the crits =) [2015-03-04 12:38:43 | Edited 12:39:48] SnesWarrior: Also, here is the general rule of thumb about how your fights should go on Magus. If you are going for Shelterless Magus strats, get 3 lightnings with Crono before he starts charging for Dark Matter, because technically shelterless strats skip a robo punch. And if you DONT do shelterless, I always aim for only 2 lightnings with Crono. That pretty much assures you wont beat it too fast. And you'll most likely skip the 2nd dark matter. (But you get the crits even if he casts dark matter twice so thats cool) [2015-03-04 12:43:35] ElGranJerry: ^ I was testing earlier and I found that instead of doing the "extra" lightnings in you can change them for slash and so far I've gotten 100% consistency on crits [2015-03-04 12:44:23] ElGranJerry: Probably a million approaches to the fight lol [2015-03-04 12:44:42] SnesWarrior: Oh nice, gonna have to test that out. That's with using the shelter correct? [2015-03-04 12:44:54] ElGranJerry: Without [2015-03-04 12:45:14] ElGranJerry: Shelterless ftw [2015-03-04 12:45:23] SnesWarrior: Oh, thats even more surprising if your not getting dark mattered twice, that's awesome [2015-03-04 12:45:26] ElGranJerry: To be honest I only didn2 attempts [2015-03-04 12:45:31] ElGranJerry: Did* [2015-03-04 12:45:58] SnesWarrior: Watch it be an insanely tight window... that would actually be pretty cool [2015-03-04 12:46:44] ElGranJerry: Yeah, I was pretty excited when I got em, hopefully it does work and not because I got lucky or something [2015-03-04 12:46:50] ElGranJerry: Consistrntly that is [2015-03-04 12:50:27] ElGranJerry: My reasoning was it deals just a tad less damage than lightning so maybe that slows the fight enough [2015-03-04 12:52:58] ElGranJerry: For reference this was done with my 100% file. Still need to do it with the any% one [2015-03-04 12:55:00] SnesWarrior: Ah I see. NP. I don't think that should matter... maybe. lol. I need to educate myself on 100% sometime. [2015-03-04 12:56:16 | Edited 12:57:07] ElGranJerry: It's the same. Just that Robo has the Flea + (2 outlaw + 2 groupie) fight on him [2015-03-04 12:56:30] ElGranJerry: Crono and frog do exactly the same [2015-03-04 13:00:39] SnesWarrior: I see then, That would make sense that you could skip lightnings in 100% then if Robo has an extra level to output some more damage. Will still test it sometime for any% just to make sure. [2015-03-04 14:14:47] Obdajr: thanks for the info guys! [2015-03-04 14:15:17] Obdajr: how important is the double crit seed for the tyrano fight? [2015-03-04 14:16:20] Obdajr: everything between tyrano and reloading for mud imp doesn't really seem to matter, but is the tyrano fight seed dependant, or is it ok just to wing it a little with the right strategy [2015-03-04 14:17:17] Obdajr: also im looking at 100% stuff just fyi (I know most of the any% strats arepretty interchangeable) [2015-03-04 14:17:20] Puwexil: tyrano fight doesn't seem like it even benefits that much from manipulation [2015-03-04 14:17:30] Obdajr: that's my current impression [2015-03-04 14:17:36] Puwexil: is there much besides not having to heal ayla before fire breath? [2015-03-04 14:18:00] Obdajr: he might kill lucca off early with pretty bad luck iirc [2015-03-04 14:18:33] Obdajr: which is really only another item of time wasted [2015-03-04 14:19:36] Obdajr: my main concern I guess is that with one less speed tab used than i'm used to, killing him in time is possibly an issue [2015-03-04 14:20:19] Obdajr: although that's something im going to practice tonight [2015-03-04 16:00:39] ElGranJerry: He might kill off crono or lucca early with really bad luck, that's the only thing [2015-03-04 16:01:14 | Edited 16:02:19] ElGranJerry: fight plays out a lil bit differently depending if he kills Crono, Ayla or Lucca after the reviving but it's not a big deal [2015-03-04 16:02:53] ElGranJerry: if you get super bad luck and crono/lucca die early you can always heal ayla before 2nd fire breath and go for a 3rd "cycle" [2015-03-04 16:04:28] ElGranJerry: and the timing is not that tight, I've killed him on a "3" once but 90% of the times you get him at "2". [2015-03-04 19:11:28] Obdajr: is that on bs2 or bs1? [2015-03-04 19:12:23] Obdajr: good to hear it's not too hard though [2015-03-04 21:14:49] ElGranJerry: bs2 [2015-03-05 11:42:57] Puwexil: {{deleted}}http://www.twitch.tv/puwexil/v/3863821?t=3h31m22s - at my wits end with this dumb glitch [2015-03-05 11:43:38 | Edited 11:48:20] Puwexil: gotten the yakra one a few times, but it still randomly fails with no warning (in the basement fights), because of magus crit'ing marle on his 2nd attack [2015-03-05 15:18:57] Ottavino: did you try with the raven armor instead of gloom cape on magus? [2015-03-05 15:21:03] Puwexil: think so [2015-03-05 15:41:38] Ottavino: yeah, just tried with your Equipment (doomsickle and gloom cape) on emu, it works [2015-03-05 15:43:09] Ottavino: maybe it works on emu (snes9x) and vc but not on snes, but it will be the first time snes9x isn't accurate with snes [2015-03-05 15:43:43] Puwexil: I was doing emu (bizhawk 1.9.1) in my video [2015-03-05 15:44:26] Ottavino: do you have a savestate on bizhawk? [2015-03-05 15:45:31] Puwexil: yeah, I'll upload one to dropbox when I get home in 30-40 min [2015-03-05 15:45:47] Ottavino: thanks! [2015-03-05 15:54:30] Redslash: I kept this to myself cuz I thought I overlooked something... on Snes9x 1.51, Slash behaves like on VC (right?), but on 1.53 he appears to behave like on SNES... [2015-03-05 15:57:03] Redslash: There are major glitches currently used (e.g. in Super Metroid) that don't work on newer SNES's, because of different chipset... would be funny if this was something similar [2015-03-05 16:02:36] Redslash: Version 7 svn 225, anyway. Not sure about 147 [2015-03-05 16:03:28] Ottavino: just tried on bizhawk, it doesn't work (7E06DB=1); on snes9x, 7E06DB=0, and it works [2015-03-05 16:08:31 | Removed 16:16:49] Ottavino: This message has been removed. [2015-03-05 16:14:01 | Edited 16:21:30] Redslash: Oh man, well there you go. It's so sensitive to the cursor tho, maybe there's a funny way to make it work [2015-03-05 16:16:34 | Edited 16:21:47] Redslash: But I guess maybe not.. [2015-03-05 16:31:18] Ottavino: ok, it seems to work on BS2, but with hard reset after the save (not with soft reset) [2015-03-05 16:34:30] Puwexil: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57190963/Chrono%20Trigger%20%28USA%29.Performance.QuickSave2.State [2015-03-05 16:34:59] Puwexil: wow, really? I wondered that at one point, but I know elmagus has done any% elixir glitch on bizhawk [2015-03-05 16:37:16] Puwexil: could have sworn I tried on console and had similar problems, but it wouldn't have been more than 1-2 tries [2015-03-05 16:40:56] Puwexil: if it's really that picky maybe it doesn't work on my flash cart either [2015-03-05 16:43:30] Puwexil: thanks for checking though - guess I'll have to just get a file set up on my actual CT cart, since that's what I use for runs [2015-03-05 16:53:05] Ottavino: no, finally it's not that, it works sometimes but not consistant for now [2015-03-05 16:53:58] Puwexil: oh, so like my yakra video, where sometimes it would fail even with same battle actions/damage #'s in the basement? [2015-03-05 16:57:39] Puwexil: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57190963/Chrono%20Trigger%20%28USA%29.Performance.QuickSave1.State if you want a yakra state [2015-03-05 17:08:25] Ottavino: for mammon m., this setup is inconsistant on bizhawk, it dépends on the frame you close the last textbox of zeal [2015-03-05 17:22:48] Ottavino: at 3:47:22 on your vod, you're not on the right rng, frog always attacks for 329 dmg [2015-03-05 17:24:46] Ottavino: it seems you pressed X a little late [2015-03-05 18:02:40] EssentiaFour: for what it's worth, I can get all the elixir glitches pretty consistently on SNES console [2015-03-08 17:38:13] Obdajr: yakra13 load seems to be pretty picky; I get the same damage rolls but varying crits in the fights leading up to the boss [2015-03-08 18:22:18] DrunkenDraconian: In the first fight that would make sense, i assume it would normalize after that. are you running away the same way each time? I'm unsure of that elixir glitch as i have not done it, but if the varying crits are the result of different end values of a battle that might be it. [2015-03-08 18:29:13] Redslash: I haven't tested that a lot but if you do the 1st fight by holding X for 2 attacks, then you're on A8 meaning for 2nd fight.. [2015-03-08 18:37:02 | Edited 18:37:16] Redslash: I'll check how Naga-ettes impact the value, but killing them by holding X should get you in there, no matter the crits in those 2 fights [2015-03-08 18:43:57] Redslash: Oh btw I'm pretty much back... I've missed testing... X) [2015-03-08 18:44:18] ElGranJerry: <3 [2015-03-08 21:22:03] Redslash: The enemies seem ok... All I have is, make sure to hold X soon enough. In either fight, you cannot let your 2nd attack target the same enemy, else you get that jump [2015-03-08 22:05:54] Obdajr: ok good to know [2015-03-08 22:06:29] Obdajr: should I be worried at all of magus critting a teammate while chaos'd in the boss fight? [2015-03-08 22:33:41] ElGranJerry: not really (at least has never happened to me) [2015-03-08 22:34:15] Redslash: I think basically any crit there would break the setup, but crits are pretty far away... [2015-03-08 22:34:26] ElGranJerry: If he crits a teamate the fight would go bad [2015-03-08 22:34:29] ElGranJerry: ^^ [2015-03-08 22:38:49] Redslash: I guess this segment is odd because the "whatever" enemies are definitely scripted~ [2015-03-10 16:21:34] ElGranJerry: after 1 hour of not getting Zombor skip I finally got it + discovered what was going wrong [2015-03-10 16:21:40] ElGranJerry: 50 consecutive skips check [2015-03-10 16:22:01] ElGranJerry: obviously first run = me failing it [2015-03-10 16:57:18] Redslash: So Jerry, naturally your 24-hour stream will be in celebration of 20 Years of CT, yeah? I'm kinda tempted today to make a nice thread on the Compendium that summarizes CT speedrunning over the last couple years, and close by inviting folks to your upcoming deal, if that's ok with you =) [2015-03-10 18:04:48] ElGranJerry: not really lol, but we can make it about that :P [2015-03-10 18:05:02] ElGranJerry: Sounds like a good idea though [2015-03-10 19:22:24] Redslash: 20th Anniversary seems like a good ocassion to me, to try to bring communities together (may as well see what happens). Compendium has stayed pretty out of the loop, they link to SDA and that's it [2015-03-10 19:38:08] ElGranJerry: Sounds good [2015-03-10 19:38:27] ElGranJerry: Will derust my commentary skills so I can actually explain stuff :P [2015-03-10 19:40:27] ElGranJerry: Also wil prolly bust a 100% on Friday so I can actually practice the elixir glitches lmao. Never done them RTA yet [2015-03-10 20:25:04] Will: Jer, can I request some SM64? [2015-03-10 20:28:24] ElGranJerry: Haha I can try. But I'm super rusty [2015-03-10 20:29:22] ElGranJerry: If I can get the emu to work I will add it to the stream [2015-03-10 20:30:55] ElGranJerry: Got 17 hours covered with CT, 4 for escape goat race and 3 for some other stuff [2015-03-10 20:37:33] Will: Zelda is gonna be in there right? [2015-03-10 20:41:41] ElGranJerry: Sure. [2015-03-10 20:42:05] ElGranJerry: I am really liking Zelda 1. Awesome speedgame [2015-03-11 7:01:28] Will: Happy Birthday, Crono :) [2015-03-11 7:30:45] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-03-11 8:54:30] Obdajr: wow 20 years, that's kinda crazy [2015-03-11 14:50:34] Redslash: Dang, I made a cool input display, but it won't read movie inputs... [2015-03-11 14:50:50] Will: doing it through snes9x? [2015-03-11 14:51:06] Redslash: Yup [2015-03-11 14:51:57 | Edited 14:52:03] Redslash: I at least have a Battle Value display that shows which window you're in (and how close you are from the end of it) [2015-03-11 14:52:17] Redslash: Here it is so far https://www.dropbox.com/s/731r4zcc60jkxyk/CToverlay.lua?dl=0 [2015-03-11 14:53:04] Will: Config -> Emulator -> Display : Input Display is set? [2015-03-11 14:53:43] Redslash: Yeah, but I wanted a controller diagram with colors and stuff, so that's what I made [2015-03-11 14:54:24] Will: damn man, that's impressive [2015-03-11 14:54:30] Redslash: The button color changes from red to yellow according to how long it's been pressed, lol [2015-03-11 14:54:34] Redslash: But I can't even use it X) [2015-03-11 14:55:13] Will: gotcha [2015-03-11 14:56:42] Will: snes9x 1.51v7 -- colors not changing for me [2015-03-11 15:00:07] DrunkenDraconian: everything works fine for me, some super sexy stuff man holy cow [2015-03-11 15:02:35] Will: gotcha, was confused. it works on input [2015-03-11 15:04:49] Will: and it's lookin' good [2015-03-11 15:08:06] Redslash: It's complete accident that the buttons go transparent btw, I was just trying to make blue go negative, thought it would count FF to 00, lol [2015-03-11 15:10:24 | Edited 15:10:58] Redslash: I'm proud of the value display, it checks if you're in battle or the load menu so it only reads the address that's relevant [2015-03-11 15:43:30] Redslash: Needs a crit preview thing now [2015-03-11 15:45:34] ElGranJerry: does it work on 1.53? [2015-03-11 15:45:39] ElGranJerry: I can't seem to turn it on :P [2015-03-11 15:46:42] Redslash: Might be a version of 1.53 that has Lua capability, normal one doesn't tho.. [2015-03-11 15:46:43] ElGranJerry: okay okay let me refresh [2015-03-11 15:46:50] ElGranJerry: I don't know where to turn it on [2015-03-11 15:47:02] Redslash: I don't think so anyway [2015-03-11 15:50:09] Redslash: I'm gonna use 0-7 for crits, should high numbers mean good (everyone crits) or bad (no one crits)? [2015-03-11 15:50:49] Will: hey jerry, try it on 1.51v7 if you have it. File -> Lua Scripting -> new Lua Script Window [2015-03-11 15:51:53] ElGranJerry: ah I see, sweet [2015-03-11 15:51:57] ElGranJerry: looks nice [2015-03-11 15:52:15] ElGranJerry: I couldn't find the option to turn it on in 1.53 (not that it didn't work) [2015-03-11 15:54:28] Will: i'm not seeing it either :\ [2015-03-11 15:58:11] ElGranJerry: gonna do a run :) [2015-03-11 16:59:56] Redslash: =0 [2015-03-11 17:04:36 | Edited 17:05:58] Redslash: I added next crits preview (7 is everyone, 6+ for Lucca/Marle, 5+ Frog/Ayla, 4+ Swallow, 3+ Wondershot, 2+ Heromedal, 1 Rainbow only) [2015-03-11 17:12:51] Will: wonder if I can add that in there [2015-03-11 17:42:25] Redslash: And there, input display is off by default, hold start+select to toggle it on =P [2015-03-11 17:55:11] Ottavino: this input display, awesome! [2015-03-11 18:04:41] eLmaGus: guys big any% race in 10-30 minutes [2015-03-11 18:04:43] eLmaGus: get ready [2015-03-11 18:06:41] eLmaGus: alright scratch that [2015-03-11 18:06:49] eLmaGus: Saturday big Race apparantly [2015-03-11 18:07:38] Ottavino: yeah saturday will be good, i'm up since 7h30 and been working for 12h [2015-03-11 18:11:05] eLmaGus: we got a race channel up though for now if somebody is interested [2015-03-11 18:16:47] ElGranJerry: wanna open a skype call? [2015-03-11 18:17:16] eLmaGus: sure [2015-03-11 18:17:54] ElGranJerry: K [2015-03-11 18:18:04] ElGranJerry: I'll let you start the call I don't have Bich [2015-03-11 18:18:08] ElGranJerry: on skype [2015-03-12 10:43:00 | Edited 10:43:06] Nihil922: nice race, 5 forfeits [2015-03-12 10:43:26] Nihil922: might join the saturday race if im home [2015-03-12 10:43:52] Nihil922: what time will it start? [2015-03-12 11:57:31] eLmaGus: [16:21] i was wondering if you could talk to the other CT guys about whether we should rename 100% to all characters + sidequests [16:22] or put it in parenthesis or whatever [2015-03-12 11:57:34] eLmaGus: thoughts? [2015-03-12 11:58:17] Puwexil: I prefer 100% and plan to call it that whatever other people do [2015-03-12 11:58:54] eLmaGus: yeah the middle ground is 100% (All Char + SQ) [2015-03-12 11:59:22] Puwexil: that's what I generally say in my stream titles [2015-03-12 12:12:02] SnesWarrior: I think 100% is fine atm, till someone gets crazy and does CT like Xerokynos-style or something [2015-03-12 12:12:11] Redslash: All SQ seems sufficient, recruiting Magus is the fastest option... [2015-03-12 12:13:07] Nihil922: 100% is kind of a wierd category for any game without a % gauge since most people seem to have different opinions on whats really 100% completion. [2015-03-12 12:13:23] Redslash: But I don't like the abbreviation cuz it looks likes S+Q ~ [2015-03-12 12:13:41] Nihil922: But i think its fine to keep it for now, maybe add the parenthesis thing [2015-03-12 12:14:04] Puwexil: 100% (All Sidequests) is how I usually describe it [2015-03-12 12:14:10] eLmaGus: well i added the abbreviation [2015-03-12 12:14:20] Puwexil: with a list of the sidequests and victory conditions in my FAQ if anyone cares [2015-03-12 12:14:21] eLmaGus: watchers idea was "All Characters + Sidequests" [2015-03-12 12:14:52] SnesWarrior: Could you call it "All Bosses" ? Since the only boss skipped that I can think of is "Spekkio"? [2015-03-12 12:14:58 | Edited 12:15:06] Nihil922: its definitely more descriptive of the category [2015-03-12 12:15:05] Puwexil: 'all bosses' would imply no boss skips to me [2015-03-12 12:15:11] SnesWarrior: Ah true, true [2015-03-12 12:16:09] DrunkenDraconian: i don't feel "all sidequests" is even right, it needs the extra info of "given by the guru of time" there are still a few quests still not completed [2015-03-12 12:16:11] Redslash: Reminder that reviving Crono isn't technically a sidequest (by the Gaspar definition) =) [2015-03-12 12:16:24] eLmaGus: oh you guys [2015-03-12 12:16:46] Puwexil: don't you have to revive crono to even get the list of the other ones? [2015-03-12 12:16:54] eLmaGus: i dont think so? [2015-03-12 12:17:08] eLmaGus: i think once you have done one sidequest he will spit out the others? [2015-03-12 12:17:11] eLmaGus: something like that [2015-03-12 12:17:15] Puwexil: thought gaspar only talks about death peak and the chrono trigger until you revive crono [2015-03-12 12:17:32] eLmaGus: its been a while [2015-03-12 12:17:38] DrunkenDraconian: perhaps 100% should be defined by the ending that plays. you need to complete al the sidequests to get the moonlight parade [2015-03-12 12:17:39] eLmaGus: either could be true [2015-03-12 12:17:51] ElGranJerry: what DD said [2015-03-12 12:18:09] Puwexil: isn't the parade ending just winged epoch? [2015-03-12 12:18:23] Puwexil: so you could crash the epoch right after getting it and win [2015-03-12 12:18:25] eLmaGus: we are going in circles here [2015-03-12 12:18:36] Redslash: Yeah, you have to revive him to trigger the sq dialogue, so I mentioned Fated Hour as part of the requirement [2015-03-12 12:18:46] ElGranJerry: I don't think it should be moved from 100% [2015-03-12 12:18:50] ElGranJerry: that's my opinion [2015-03-12 12:18:52] Redslash: "given by Gaspar in Fated Hour" [2015-03-12 12:18:56] ElGranJerry: 100% (All Sidequests) sounds good [2015-03-12 12:19:12] SnesWarrior: Yeah, everything else seems way too technical/confusing [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: this is how I defined the sidequests in my FAQ if anyone cares: [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: Hero's Grave (Receive the upgraded Masamume) [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: Sunken Desert (Receive the GreenDream) [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: Sun Palace (Receive the WonderShot/Sun Shades) [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: Geno Dome (Defeat Mother Brain) [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: Giant's Claw/Guardia Castle (Defeat Yakra XIII) [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: Death Peak (Revive Crono) [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: Ozzie's Fort (Watch or skip the final Ozzie cutscene) [2015-03-12 12:19:37] Puwexil: Black Omen (Defeat Queen Zeal) [2015-03-12 12:20:54] eLmaGus: well i told him either not to rename it or make it 100% (All Sidequests) [2015-03-12 12:21:08] eLmaGus: i hope i didnt overlook anybody here [2015-03-12 12:24:10] Redslash: That's close to what I wrote up, Puwexil http://chrono.wikidot.com/info [2015-03-12 12:25:01] Redslash: I wanted to remove as many "defeat boss" goals as possible, but the dang prismhelms/etc are optional =P [2015-03-12 12:25:27] Puwexil: speaking of categories, I think obda said he timed all endings by 'the end' on the final ending rather than the final lavos core kill [2015-03-12 12:25:35] Puwexil: to account for the fact that you can do the endings in different orders [2015-03-12 12:25:43] eLmaGus: smart [2015-03-12 12:26:20] Redslash: Hmm, true [2015-03-12 12:26:56] Redslash: Well, he didn't do that in the WR run, unless I missed something [2015-03-12 12:27:19] eLmaGus: well [2015-03-12 12:27:24] eLmaGus: is there somebody that cares [2015-03-12 12:27:32] eLmaGus: i mean like somebody that woudl run that category [2015-03-12 12:27:37] eLmaGus: i dont think so [2015-03-12 12:27:48] eLmaGus: if somebody really cared could just retime [2015-03-12 12:28:06] Redslash: I guess the point would be to... watch all the endings [2015-03-12 12:29:24] Puwexil: listing the 12 endings wouldn't hurt either (to make it obvious that only 1 version of the parade ending is needed), but that's also assuming people actually want to take it seriously :D [2015-03-12 12:30:58] Redslash: Now's my chance to contend that the "Crono is dead" ending ("#2" according to the Playstation remake) isn't a separate ending =) [2015-03-12 12:31:55] Redslash: Since in-game it is mentioned that there are 10 endings, and you could take that as meaning in addition to unlocking NG+ [2015-03-12 12:32:10] Puwexil: yeah, there's 4 main versions of the parade ending IMO - with/without epoch and with/without crono [2015-03-12 12:32:18] Puwexil: + the little variations like lara [2015-03-12 12:32:34] Puwexil: with/without purple cat :P [2015-03-12 12:32:46] eLmaGus: different ending for every Cat [2015-03-12 12:32:48] eLmaGus: oh man [2015-03-12 12:32:50] eLmaGus: the dream [2015-03-12 12:33:44] Redslash: It would be a lot more fun to route without "#2", because you would never need to face Lavos with just Crono+Marle, at all [2015-03-12 12:34:05] Redslash: Oh wait a minute [2015-03-12 12:34:26] Puwexil: the 'fun' of all endings to me would be getting to skip the boss rush completely [2015-03-12 12:34:27] Redslash: I've got it mixed up with a different one [2015-03-12 12:34:46] Puwexil: I'd crash the epoch to get the parade ending, then do the NG+ ones [2015-03-12 12:35:26] Redslash: Have to boss rush to unlock NG+ ='( [2015-03-12 12:35:37] Puwexil: (n) [2015-03-12 12:35:42] eLmaGus: well its Grinding vs No Grinding [2015-03-12 12:35:51] eLmaGus: basically [2015-03-12 12:36:00] eLmaGus: because im pretty sure you could "cheese" all endings without grinding [2015-03-12 12:36:24] Puwexil: if someone routed elixir overflows for each party you can use it'd be pretty cheesy [2015-03-12 12:36:53] eLmaGus: im pretty sure Redslash got most covered [2015-03-12 12:37:32] Redslash: I had it mixed up though, you'd skip crashing the Epoch by defining Crono dead as non-unique. It would just make it flow better (could tackle Black Omen asap) [2015-03-12 12:38:06] Puwexil: I don't ever plan to run all endings, but fwiw I'd say crono alive/dead doesn't matter [2015-03-12 12:38:15] Puwexil: since it's just a variation of the parade ending [2015-03-12 12:38:51] Redslash: =) [2015-03-12 12:38:52] eLmaGus: but...... but.... the feels ;( [2015-03-12 12:39:37] Redslash: In NG+ you don't have Greendream, but I want to find out if Crono-Marle-Robo's Lifeline can have the same effect. Would be awesome [2015-03-12 12:40:09] eLmaGus: pretty sure it works [2015-03-12 12:40:20] eLmaGus: would just need to find a setup [2015-03-12 12:40:28] eLmaGus: which is a bit more tricky [2015-03-12 12:40:29] Puwexil: probably would, though it'd be a lot more complicated if you had to kill 2 characters twice, before the 3rd [2015-03-12 12:42:06] Redslash: Yes. But at least it'd mean you can get away with skipping a bunch of sidequests, hehe [2015-03-12 12:42:38] Redslash: Current run just does 100%, then cleans up in NG+ [2015-03-12 12:43:00] eLmaGus: if i would ever do all endings i would clean up as much as possible in the "first" playthrough [2015-03-12 12:43:08] Puwexil: it'd certainly be more interesting if you did unique stuff exclusive to the category [2015-03-12 12:43:52] DrunkenDraconian: isn't the back in time glitch usefull for all endings? [2015-03-12 12:45:04] Redslash: Hmmm... wow never thought of that [2015-03-12 12:45:28] ElGranJerry: now, using BiT would make all ending interesting [2015-03-12 12:45:38] Puwexil: what is that glitch anyway? [2015-03-12 12:45:49] DrunkenDraconian: same thing as magus vs magus [2015-03-12 12:46:23] DrunkenDraconian: resets story counter [2015-03-12 12:47:17] Redslash: Oh I guess we did think of it, a long time ago [2015-03-12 12:47:43] ElGranJerry: Fadeout Factory cutscene and when you return to it it triggers and resets the story counter back to that poing [2015-03-12 12:47:54] ElGranJerry: point [2015-03-12 12:48:08] Puwexil: the one when you first enter the factory? [2015-03-12 12:48:24] DrunkenDraconian: the one after XABY code [2015-03-12 12:48:28] ElGranJerry: the one where Robo keeps the door open for you [2015-03-12 12:48:32] Puwexil: ah [2015-03-12 12:48:44] ElGranJerry: it requires a lot of save anywhere [2015-03-12 12:49:02] Redslash: But... you'd have the Greendream.... [2015-03-12 12:49:58 | Edited 12:51:12] Redslash: If "Future Skip" were something similar that could preserve a cutscene, that'd be the ultimate [2015-03-12 12:50:42] Redslash: You could get the "We're Back" ending probably, which otherwise requires Crono+Marle only team [2015-03-12 12:58:57 | Edited 12:59:13] Redslash: Then you could do the whole run w/o NG+ or boss rush, lmao... [2015-03-12 12:59:26] Puwexil: lol [2015-03-12 13:03:43] Redslash: Err, j/k tho... you need the telepod gate X) [2015-03-12 13:08:04] Redslash: Hmm or heck if I know. Gotta get Future Skip then see what there is to work with [2015-03-12 13:10:24] Obdajr: You can't carry over the green dream with newgame plus [2015-03-12 13:10:33] Obdajr: oh yeah it got mentioned [2015-03-12 13:12:58] Obdajr: another way to classify 100% (although im not sure if it works) is to call it by the save file text "the final battle" which requires you have beaten all of the sidequests iirc [2015-03-12 13:18:09] Redslash: It's Final Battle after Black Omen no matter what =) [2015-03-12 13:18:39] Obdajr: oh ok [2015-03-12 13:22:07] Redslash: Dunno if I mentioned it here or IRC, but NG+ unlocks like 50 seconds after Lavos dies, when it fades to black with the character silhouettes. Cool bit of info [2015-03-12 13:27:01] Redslash: Getting closer to having input display work for movies, though Snes9x won't allow it... I'm just having Lua read the smv file and interpret it for itself X) [2015-03-12 13:30:23] ElGranJerry: Sweet [2015-03-12 13:30:38] ElGranJerry: I've been using iton the 1.51, it looks cool [2015-03-12 13:30:51 | Edited 13:31:17] Redslash: Thing is, there's no movie.framecount(), so you must load movie on the first frame of loading the ROM because I'm gonna use emu.framecount(), lol [2015-03-12 13:46:43] Redslash: It's weird trying to script in this b/c it seems like an older version of Lua, also each Snes9x version changes the usage so it's hard to get good info [2015-03-12 16:26:11] Redslash: Oh baby, we're in there [2015-03-12 17:13:05] SnesWarrior: Decided to derust a bit for the race Saturday and stumbled upon a possible small time save, havent tested it but just thought i'd share it here anyways in case someone wants to take a look at it. But anyway, basically it seems as if you can speed up the Chancellor turning into Yakra by walking into him similar to the way we do Melchoir during the forge cutscene. However, releasing the real chancellor directly after being forced to group up means you have to close two textboxes - and gets a little messy.... running into yakra too long can speed up the chancellors dialogue, lock you in place and start the battle immediately. Although it may be a good thing for a no skip run, it can also lock yakra in his starting position with Crono on top of him, and it's just close enough to Frog to not counterattack it seems. But making it a time save in any%/100% might take some figuring out. [2015-03-12 17:15:14] DrunkenDraconian: yeah starting inside Yackra is sweet ;P [2015-03-12 17:18:07] SnesWarrior: I like how it increases his spin speed dramatically when running into him lol [2015-03-12 17:19:52] DrunkenDraconian: never noticed it lol. I was more focused on how lucca moves in relation to chrono so both would be directly inside him [2015-03-12 17:22:18] SnesWarrior: Yeah that makes sense hehe, my Lucca was up north almost off-screen and got wrecked as soon as the fight started [2015-03-12 17:33:56] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, i think the text cancel takes priority over that [2015-03-12 17:44:29] DrunkenDraconian: also, what time saturday is the race going to be around? [2015-03-12 17:51:12] Redslash: I'll try to join that too [2015-03-12 17:52:53] DrunkenDraconian: i'm doing a little practice and something wierd happened... [2015-03-12 17:53:18] DrunkenDraconian: chrono has 109 hp during the 3x bugger fight? [2015-03-12 17:55:57] DrunkenDraconian: wow super odd [2015-03-12 17:56:11] DrunkenDraconian: text background tiling changed too [2015-03-12 17:56:27] DrunkenDraconian: might be your overlay i was trying out? [2015-03-12 17:58:54] Redslash: Whoa.. load a J state into E or something? [2015-03-12 17:59:32] DrunkenDraconian: i may have also had background input on, so who knows lol [2015-03-12 18:01:27] Redslash: Btw, overlay is working for movies =D I was wrong about having to load movie 1st frame possible, just do it normal [2015-03-12 18:03:19] Redslash: I only updated it in the TAS package... recommend redownloading the TAS anyway since it wasn't compressed enough for this, not sure =P [2015-03-12 18:04:41] Redslash: That's at http://bombch.us/uk_ [2015-03-12 18:06:41] DrunkenDraconian: what TAS is this? [2015-03-12 18:06:58] DrunkenDraconian: any% theory? [2015-03-12 18:07:21] Redslash: Yeah, the 2:25 [2015-03-12 18:08:37] Redslash: Script doesn't like files over 1MB atm, luckily it's a quick run.. [2015-03-12 18:11:48] Redslash: Guess what's next though guys... reading subtitle files (add some comments to your movie Krey) [2015-03-12 18:30:44] SnesWarrior: As far as time on the race goes I think its just a play it by ear thing. Probably just when the majority of us are around. Although we could do as many as Jerry has stamina for technically.. since it'll during his 24hr stream [2015-03-12 20:02:54] Redslash: Oh, I did a dumb... it only loads movies called "Chrono Trigger (J).smv", will fix soon =P [2015-03-12 22:32:51] Puwexil: huh, just managed to skip the fight trigger in front of nizbel II's room - basically the same way as the last battle before ozzie's room in magus' castle [2015-03-12 22:33:10] Puwexil: it's REALLY precise and probably doesn't save any time because of the TP, but still kind of cool [2015-03-12 22:36:53] SnesWarrior: Yeah it's still a good one to know too, just in case you mistime a fadeout and end up outside. An easy setup for it is going all the way to the bottom and going to the left as far as you can on that balcony area. Then running up. [2015-03-12 22:37:47] Puwexil: ah, cool [2015-03-12 22:51:00] ElGranJerry: Guys I wanted to ask you about the race start time [2015-03-12 22:51:27] ElGranJerry: I was thinking of starting my stream with the race at 9 EST [2015-03-12 22:51:33] ElGranJerry: Want it to be earlier? [2015-03-12 22:52:03] ElGranJerry: Earlier I cam start is 7 EST which would be 5 my time [2015-03-13 10:02:06] Ottavino: am or pm? [2015-03-13 10:24:54] SnesWarrior: Well I know what a few hours of my day today will be spent doing thanks to based Puwexil, lol [2015-03-13 10:25:03] Puwexil: (devil) [2015-03-13 10:25:18] ElGranJerry: pm [2015-03-13 10:27:21] Puwexil: yeah, since my practice last night I've been trying to think of ways to get away with skipping learning rollo kick before BT [2015-03-13 10:29:04] Puwexil: even if the TP route doesn't work for any%, it probably would for 100% since you get FH before giga gaia pretty easily [2015-03-13 10:39:11] SnesWarrior: Also.. just realized it saves some time on menuing, but keeping berserk on Ayla means you have to run away really fast on the two fights before the "grind" fights. If your on correct RNG that is. I believe the first one is 8 frames, and the second one is a 4 frame window. [2015-03-13 10:40:07] DrunkenDraconian: so what happened exactly? [2015-03-13 10:40:56] SnesWarrior: Puwexil came up with an idea for 100% for Black Tyranno that uses Berserk Ayla, and when Magus tested it in any% route, BT died at "4" was it? [2015-03-13 10:41:23] DrunkenDraconian: hmmm cool [2015-03-13 10:41:29] SnesWarrior: So not for certain if huge speedup, or the atttack animations may make it slower. still highly untested [2015-03-13 10:42:00] DrunkenDraconian: slashes spincuts and fires as well i assume [2015-03-13 10:42:36] SnesWarrior: Magus used Flame Sword - attacks for Azala, Lightning + Fire may do more damage though [2015-03-13 10:43:02] DrunkenDraconian: right [2015-03-13 10:44:26] DrunkenDraconian: now to manipulate crits and skip his fire attack all together, lol [2015-03-13 10:45:22] SnesWarrior: Yeah, I was thinking we have two choices for manipulation. Either manipulate all Ayla attacks on Azala or just abandon that and go for crits on BT [2015-03-13 10:45:32] SnesWarrior: Crits is probably the obvious choice [2015-03-13 10:49:33] Redslash: Don't have Spincut/Firesword either, if you skip one of those fights ~ [2015-03-13 10:49:51] eLmaGus: actually you do have spincut [2015-03-13 10:52:15] Redslash: Sure about that? [2015-03-13 10:52:28] eLmaGus: i got spincut in the first fight [2015-03-13 10:52:30] eLmaGus: just now [2015-03-13 10:52:44] eLmaGus: in fact i got spincut on the bird fight i got in because i suck [2015-03-13 10:52:54] eLmaGus: so even before the 2 fights [2015-03-13 10:53:08] eLmaGus: the big problem for any is Marle [2015-03-13 10:53:10] eLmaGus: in this scenario [2015-03-13 10:53:24] eLmaGus: for 100 though it could work otu [2015-03-13 10:53:41] ElGranJerry: you get spincut in the 2nd fight, I am 100% sure [2015-03-13 10:53:44] Redslash: Should be 36 from Spincut, after Magus... [2015-03-13 10:53:59] eLmaGus: well you dont =) [2015-03-13 10:54:00] ElGranJerry: unless extra battles or w/e [2015-03-13 10:54:19] DrunkenDraconian: might as well just berserk Crono too :P [2015-03-13 10:54:37] ElGranJerry: you do, at least in my pb and otta's you learn it there [2015-03-13 10:55:11] eLmaGus: did you have crono dead somewhere [2015-03-13 10:55:42] ElGranJerry: no [2015-03-13 10:55:48] ElGranJerry: red WR also gets it in 2nd fight [2015-03-13 10:56:46] eLmaGus: red also lost the race# [2015-03-13 10:56:54] eLmaGus: im not learning from that PB DansGame [2015-03-13 10:57:07] ElGranJerry: haha [2015-03-13 10:57:11] Puwexil: what about the double TP glitch? if you skip more fights in the tyrano lair, you could probably gain more TP from the 1st sunken desert fight [2015-03-13 11:00:47] ElGranJerry: yeah, that could be a thing [2015-03-13 11:01:05] ElGranJerry: first SD fight gives 60 TP iirc [2015-03-13 11:04:22] Redslash: You'd learn both Rollokick and Catatk from that fight, hah [2015-03-13 11:04:38] Redslash: I guess TP would triple then, not sure [2015-03-13 11:04:41] Puwexil: lol, so would the glitch apply twice then? [2015-03-13 11:07:00] Redslash: But ok.. you'd have to kill those guys w/o Rollo/Drillkick [2015-03-13 11:07:36] ElGranJerry: First thing is first, time BT and see if it's faster [2015-03-13 11:07:38] DrunkenDraconian: maybe the the math is exponetial? [2015-03-13 11:07:43] ElGranJerry: then come out and do this stuff [2015-03-13 11:07:51] DrunkenDraconian: 4x [2015-03-13 11:08:05] ElGranJerry: at least that's the approach I'd suggest for it [2015-03-13 11:08:35] Redslash: I like that idea DD [2015-03-13 11:09:02] DrunkenDraconian: that might mean there is a way to cascade TP into learning everything Kappa [2015-03-13 11:11:22] Redslash: But that's with neither of the 2 Volcano fights; with 1 you learn stuff from BT, which is ok too.. skip the Lucca one [2015-03-13 11:12:13] Puwexil: skipping the 2nd volcano fight would take longer than the 1st [2015-03-13 11:12:20] Puwexil: if you use the bottom balcony to line it up [2015-03-13 11:12:45] Redslash: You can get back in the door very fast, walk left a step and run up [2015-03-13 11:13:42] Redslash: And that's close to 100% instead of 75% [2015-03-13 11:16:26] Redslash: *can be [2015-03-13 11:18:12] Redslash: But I don't imagine BT is faster even with Spincut, I think you just get more attacks in X) [2015-03-13 11:18:23] Redslash: Gotta test anyway [2015-03-13 11:20:01] Puwexil: how much of a difference do power tabs make? makes me curious if power tabbing ayla would do much [2015-03-13 11:46:48] Redslash: Powertabs raise her attack 1.75 (so say 2), which is about +4 damage to normal defense enemies (8 on crit), or +6 damage with Berserk (12 on crit) [2015-03-13 11:48:10] Redslash: I think Berserk is x1.5, looks close to that [2015-03-13 11:50:54] Redslash: I don't know the random additions work. Beginning of the game damage doesn't vary too much, like it adds 0-9, but end game it's big like 0-19 [2015-03-13 11:52:35] Redslash: Maybe that range is just based on attack power [2015-03-13 11:53:05 | Edited 11:53:23] Puwexil: trying to brainstorm ways to squeeze more DPS out, though getting the kill before fire breath feels like a longshot, even if you manip crits [2015-03-13 11:54:49] SnesWarrior: Lol yeah.. thats what I was just trying to do. Those Ayla crits pump out a lot of damage. Both Lucca and Crono are dying at breath for me even with Silver Earring [2015-03-13 11:54:50] Puwexil: if it's possible, lucca wouldn't need the silver earring and you could use magic scarf or speed belt instead for DPS [2015-03-13 11:55:45] Puwexil: or give crono something else and mid ether him after azala dies [2015-03-13 11:55:49] Obdajr: maybe a taban equip would help luccaa survive? [2015-03-13 11:56:49] Puwexil: ah true, you can get the taban vest right after heckran's cave, can't you? [2015-03-13 11:56:52] SnesWarrior: Tested magic scarf on lucca, earring on Crono, and unequipped Ayla to dish out attacks after breath and that didnt work... not for sure if a power scarf or speedbelt/stud would help too much =/ [2015-03-13 11:57:13] Obdajr: yeah that would mess up the shopping after the bridge though [2015-03-13 11:57:17] SnesWarrior: Problem with vest is you'd have less magic damage too [2015-03-13 11:57:41] Obdajr: acually you would need to unquip everyone before getting it even [2015-03-13 11:58:21] Puwexil: vest shouldn't affect it since lucca's already unequipped and no one else can equip it [2015-03-13 11:59:22] Puwexil: how much magic does unequipping give again? 10? [2015-03-13 12:00:54] Obdajr: good point [2015-03-13 12:01:05] Obdajr: I think 10 yea [2015-03-13 12:01:53] Obdajr: 8 if you supplement magic scarf over earring [2015-03-13 12:02:06] Obdajr: -8 overall * [2015-03-13 12:02:24] Puwexil: could get extra tabs too - the mountains are nice guy and flea's tab aren't too bad [2015-03-13 12:03:08] Obdajr: yeah if they lead to at lease 1 less attack [2015-03-13 12:05:28] Puwexil: getting the taban vest wouldn't be too big of a detour in 100% since you'd be getting the taban/lara cutscene out of the way, but for any% it'd be more of a thing [2015-03-13 12:05:45] Obdajr: yeah [2015-03-13 12:06:06] Obdajr: this whole endeavour isn't really an any% plausible idea though right? [2015-03-13 12:06:40] Puwexil: sounds like it still might be, if the BT fight itself is faster because of less roars and spincut animations [2015-03-13 12:06:46] Obdajr: oh right [2015-03-13 12:06:52] SnesWarrior: If it worked you might could fish about 5 or more seconds out of it - thats my prediction [2015-03-13 12:07:30] Obdajr: does anyone know when the taban helm becomes available? more just curious than anything [2015-03-13 12:08:10] Puwexil: after nizbel according to the chrono wiki [2015-03-13 12:08:43] Obdajr: not really a great time to go get it [2015-03-13 12:09:18] Obdajr: you could... get the masamune, run through the enemyless Heckran cave to Lucca's house and exit via fairgrounds lol [2015-03-13 12:09:33] Puwexil: the taban vest giving +2 speed does sound kind of attractive [2015-03-13 12:10:07] Obdajr: yeah definitely, that would increase her dps more than 8 magic would probably [2015-03-13 12:10:41] Puwexil: 50% fire resistance too - definitely guarantees fire breath survival without earring [2015-03-13 12:11:17] Obdajr: does it give magic resist on top of that? or am I thinking of something like the dark mail [2015-03-13 12:11:46] Puwexil: it's the helm that gives magic resist, +10 [2015-03-13 12:11:57] Obdajr: ah nah it doesnt [2015-03-13 12:12:02] Obdajr: ah yeah [2015-03-13 12:13:08] Obdajr: I wonder if the vest is enough to fight son of sun [2015-03-13 12:13:18] Puwexil: it's the same fire protection [2015-03-13 12:13:28] Obdajr: just 1 less speed [2015-03-13 12:13:35] Puwexil: suit is 50% too - you just get more regular defense and speed [2015-03-13 12:14:03] Obdajr: not having to fly to Lucca's house with the epoch would save 15-29 seconds [2015-03-13 12:14:09] Obdajr: 20* [2015-03-13 12:14:11] Puwexil: yeah, that's actually pretty big [2015-03-13 12:14:23] Puwexil: especially since you don't need to buy/use the jerky any more then [2015-03-13 12:14:29] Obdajr: yeah [2015-03-13 12:15:00] Puwexil: my 100% route gives lucca 1 more speed tab than ottavino's too, and gets the geno dome speed tab for magus [2015-03-13 12:15:17] Obdajr: I like that [2015-03-13 12:15:45] Puwexil: geno dome tab is like 5-6 seconds - you just have to wait around after getting the doll that's past the switch puzzle [2015-03-13 12:15:51] Obdajr: bah gotta go back to work [2015-03-13 12:16:02] Puwexil: "can't work now, chrono'ing" [2015-03-13 12:16:06] Obdajr: lol [2015-03-13 12:16:16] Obdajr: more on this later! exciting [2015-03-13 12:16:51] Puwexil: yeah, I'll test son of sun with taban vest tonight if no one else has by then [2015-03-13 12:18:36 | Edited 12:18:46] Puwexil: if the taban suit ends up being needed for the black omen, it'd be more convenient to pick up after getting the crono clone [2015-03-13 15:32:04] Redslash: Smv comments is working~ I've written a bunch of movement notes and not even to Cathedral yet... [2015-03-13 15:34:17] Redslash: Just feels wrong to have too much space between comments, heh [2015-03-13 15:36:22] Redslash: Before I spend too much time there, this really needs a hitbox viewer... [2015-03-13 17:12:48] Puwexil: taban suit isn't cutting it for son of sun [2015-03-13 17:13:16] Puwexil: looks like the wiki was wrong - taking twice as much damage from flare with the vest, so the suit must have 75% fire resist instead of 50% [2015-03-13 18:21:10] Obdajr: oh yeah [2015-03-13 18:21:12] Obdajr: darn that sucks [2015-03-13 19:39:30] Redslash: Dang... [2015-03-13 19:47:20] Redslash: Getting carried away... comment can specify a RAM value to show (for duration of a boss fight, etc) [2015-03-13 19:48:48] Redslash: And print them anywhere, as many as you want, should be fun =P [2015-03-13 19:55:14] Will: going LUA crazy. I like it :) [2015-03-13 20:26:26] Redslash: Yeah, just wish I could upload progress... I'll try the tethering thing if it becomes necessary [2015-03-13 21:23:09] Redslash: If we dug into the AI more, we could give enemies a lil' thought bubble w/ next move + timer X) [2015-03-14 1:30:42] Redslash: Ok I have the way to get onscreen coords, not just absolute coords. Hitbox viewer coming shortly [2015-03-14 12:58:23] Obdajr: 100% lavos double kill is giving me problems... does anyone know the conditions for it? [2015-03-14 13:00:35] Obdajr: loading at 6X (1.8 seconds after screen appears / 3.8 seconds after pressing A on pendulum) crono lvl 33 (100% vid at lvl 34 because of elevator) 430 hp (vid has 330 hp) 40 mp (vid has 32 mp) 13 speed rainbow rock helm green dream [2015-03-14 13:04:20] Obdajr: battle speed 5 [2015-03-14 14:01:14] Redslash: Let's see... with Crono the window had to be 1.5-1.8, with Frog it's 1.5-2.1 [2015-03-14 14:04:42] Redslash: And not quite +2 seconds from title screen, but about +1.7 [2015-03-14 14:09:42] Redslash: Also did you hear about 148bpm, Obda? If you close pendulum screen on beat "1", then beat "10" will get you in there on 0x75 (Frog only) [2015-03-14 14:10:01] Redslash: Metronome OP [2015-03-14 14:58:56] eLmaGus: man i first learned with metronome [2015-03-14 14:58:58] eLmaGus: it aint for me [2015-03-14 14:59:06] eLmaGus: i just scroll 3 times and i am happy [2015-03-14 14:59:49] Ottavino: race in one or two hours? [2015-03-14 14:59:58] eLmaGus: im waiting [2015-03-14 15:00:17] eLmaGus: it depends when our mexican runner finished his siesta [2015-03-14 15:00:29] Ottavino: :) [2015-03-14 15:02:06] DrunkenDraconian: I'm going to do so bad... lol. [2015-03-14 15:02:19] eLmaGus: dont worry [2015-03-14 15:02:23] eLmaGus: i got last place locked up [2015-03-14 15:05:38] SnesWarrior: If it makes you feel any better if I finish this would be my first actual run done without getting up to take a break or anything - plus its a race so sure to do something dumb. Will probably get trolled on Johnny finally [2015-03-14 15:06:09] eLmaGus: oh man [2015-03-14 15:06:18] eLmaGus: do you smoke or something? [2015-03-14 15:06:27] eLmaGus: because if you never finished a run thats gonna be fun for you [2015-03-14 15:07:15] SnesWarrior: hahaha, yes, but more than that I have a lot of nuances that happen. But i mean i've "finished" a few just not full game. [2015-03-14 15:07:50] SnesWarrior: I do a lot of intro - magus then BT- end runs [2015-03-14 15:08:17] eLmaGus: let me tell you [2015-03-14 15:08:25] eLmaGus: the last hour without break (aka smoke) [2015-03-14 15:08:28] eLmaGus: are literally hell [2015-03-14 15:08:35] eLmaGus: because you wont be able to focus 100% [2015-03-14 15:08:57] ElGranJerry: Yes Ottavino, 1-2 hours :) [2015-03-14 15:09:08 | Edited 15:09:28] SnesWarrior: Eh, theres a Marle cutscene for that ^_- [2015-03-14 15:10:43] SnesWarrior: Only thing i need to do is remember blue mail after Ret and Green Dream, and i'll be good lol... thats happened a few too many times [2015-03-14 15:10:48] Ottavino: Yeah i smoke too, it's hard :( [2015-03-14 15:11:40] eLmaGus: oh man [2015-03-14 15:11:50] eLmaGus: yeah i dont smoke where i play [2015-03-14 15:11:59] eLmaGus: otherwise it would be ezpz [2015-03-14 15:12:18] Puwexil: smoking in homes not allowed in europe? [2015-03-14 15:12:23] eLmaGus: oh its allowed [2015-03-14 15:12:29] eLmaGus: i jsut dont like to have my room filled with smoke [2015-03-14 15:12:31] Puwexil: it's banned in public buildings in most states in the US, but most smokers do it in their own homes [2015-03-14 15:12:45] eLmaGus: im working at my PC etc [2015-03-14 15:12:50] eLmaGus: so eh [2015-03-14 15:12:54] eLmaGus: really not a fan [2015-03-14 15:13:09] eLmaGus: i'd rather polute my kitchen/balcony instead [2015-03-14 15:13:43] eLmaGus: but for germany soon we might not be allowed to smoke at home anymore [2015-03-14 15:13:52] eLmaGus: it depends couple of things are going down in jurisdiction atm [2015-03-14 15:13:56] eLmaGus: not sure whats gonna happen [2015-03-14 15:13:58] SnesWarrior: woah really? thats crazy [2015-03-14 15:14:17] eLmaGus: yup [2015-03-14 15:14:31] DrunkenDraconian: i can see it with childern in the house [2015-03-14 15:14:43] DrunkenDraconian: ;) [2015-03-14 15:14:43] eLmaGus: i dont think the children next door care if i smoke or not [2015-03-14 15:14:54] eLmaGus: cause they cant see it [2015-03-14 15:15:08] eLmaGus: i generally dont smoke in front of kids though anyways [2015-03-14 15:15:30] DrunkenDraconian: elmagus, blinding children to smoke since 199x [2015-03-14 15:15:37] eLmaGus: lul [2015-03-14 15:15:50] eLmaGus: i dont think i ever smoked in front of a child before [2015-03-14 15:15:58] eLmaGus: and im smoking for over 10 years now [2015-03-14 15:16:13] eLmaGus: not counting underaged kids at bars of course [2015-03-14 15:16:14] eLmaGus: HEH [2015-03-14 15:17:55] DrunkenDraconian: I can see it affecting focus though [2015-03-14 15:18:11] DrunkenDraconian: i get the same way with food, ha [2015-03-14 15:18:26] eLmaGus: yeah its almost the same feeling like "im hungry" [2015-03-14 15:18:29] eLmaGus: "i wanna smoke" [2015-03-14 15:18:35] eLmaGus: pretty much the same [2015-03-14 15:18:36] eLmaGus: for me at least [2015-03-14 15:19:59] DrunkenDraconian: I don't mind eating cookies in my room, winning [2015-03-14 15:20:17] eLmaGus: dude you are gonna laugh but i wouldnt eat cookies at my PC either [2015-03-14 15:21:59] DrunkenDraconian: haha, whyy?? [2015-03-14 15:22:02] ElGranJerry: I just stocked on cookies for the 24 hour :p [2015-03-14 15:22:48] Puwexil: I eat pretty much all meals in front of my PC, lol [2015-03-14 15:23:07] eLmaGus: dunno eating at my PC seems wrong to me [2015-03-14 15:23:50] Puwexil: I probably wouldn't if I lived with other people [2015-03-14 15:24:12] eLmaGus: well it depends i can seperate TV / PC [2015-03-14 15:24:21] eLmaGus: if i had to watch TV on my PC i would probably eat there too [2015-03-14 15:26:26] DrunkenDraconian: yeah the kitchen is always too busy here in my 8 person household [2015-03-14 15:26:35] eLmaGus: 8 PERSON? [2015-03-14 15:26:43] eLmaGus: may the lord have mercy on your soul [2015-03-14 15:26:58] eLmaGus: i dont think i could take that for over a motnh [2015-03-14 15:27:43] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I can't wait to be done school [2015-03-14 15:45:11] Obdajr: ok I got it now, thanks [2015-03-14 15:45:32] Obdajr: so hp and level and such doesn't factor in to these ones? [2015-03-14 15:45:57] Obdajr: also don't have a metronome, do have a x-split lul [2015-03-14 15:52:54] Redslash: Yeah, that doesn't factor in. Can always find a metronome app =) [2015-03-14 15:53:17] Obdajr: nah this works just fine [2015-03-14 15:56:17] Redslash: Cool, cool [2015-03-14 15:57:07] Obdajr: k I think im ready to do acual attempts now [2015-03-14 15:57:16] Obdajr: you guys made this game really hard lol [2015-03-14 15:57:41] Obdajr: and I couldn't be happier [2015-03-14 15:57:57] eLmaGus: perfect i heard there was a race soon that you can test your new found skill in [2015-03-14 15:58:02] eLmaGus: can neither confirm nor deny [2015-03-14 15:58:22] Redslash: Obda goin in on that hundo Kreygasm [2015-03-14 15:58:35] Obdajr: yeah... I suppose I can learn the sunken dessert and any% lavos in like an hour.... [2015-03-14 15:58:48] Obdajr: would just be relearning [2015-03-14 15:58:59] eLmaGus: its really simple [2015-03-14 15:59:00] eLmaGus: dont die [2015-03-14 15:59:02] eLmaGus: done [2015-03-14 15:59:06] Obdajr: got it [2015-03-14 15:59:07] eLmaGus: (y) [2015-03-14 15:59:19] Obdajr: ill delete the 3 pages of notes and replace with that [2015-03-14 15:59:29] eLmaGus: sounds like a plan [2015-03-14 16:00:04] Obdajr: unfortunately I think ill pass, its Pi day and im baking pies [2015-03-14 16:00:19] Obdajr: soooon though [2015-03-14 16:00:39] eLmaGus: (bandit) [2015-03-14 16:00:51] Obdajr: gl in the race though [2015-03-14 16:24:01] ElGranJerry: K, I am all setup [2015-03-14 16:24:10] ElGranJerry: race whenever you guys want [2015-03-14 16:32:23] eLmaGus: aiyaaaah [2015-03-14 16:32:33] eLmaGus: lets Rocket Roll [2015-03-14 16:32:37] eLmaGus: i mean Rock'n Roll [2015-03-14 16:33:27] Ottavino: last cigarette and go! [2015-03-14 16:33:34] eLmaGus: same [2015-03-14 16:33:39] ElGranJerry: gonna create the channel on srl [2015-03-14 16:36:00] Nihil922: to late for me, good luck to you guys [2015-03-14 16:41:24] eLmaGus: its never too late [2015-03-14 16:41:29] eLmaGus: tomorrow is sunday [2015-03-14 16:41:35] eLmaGus: or today HEH [2015-03-14 16:42:39] Nihil922: hm... [2015-03-14 16:43:23] Nihil922: what the hell, lets do this, but im gonna drop out if i get to tired [2015-03-14 16:43:33] eLmaGus: thats my plan aswell [2015-03-14 16:43:53] ElGranJerry: Kreygasm [2015-03-14 16:48:08] *** Group call *** [2015-03-14 16:50:58] Redslash: Good luck everyone! [2015-03-14 16:50:59] SnesWarrior: can you guys hear me in the call? [2015-03-14 16:51:12] ElGranJerry: nop [2015-03-14 16:51:25] ElGranJerry: check in options your mic is selected [2015-03-14 16:51:28] ElGranJerry: Thanks Red! [2015-03-14 20:48:42] SnesWarrior: Awesome race guys, enjoyed every minute of it. =) [2015-03-14 20:49:15] ElGranJerry: <3 we should do more of em [2015-03-14 20:49:46] Ottavino: yeah [2015-03-14 20:49:49] SnesWarrior: Def - maybe not a weekly or anything, but I think I could get down with a monthly or something more like that [2015-03-15 19:47:01] ElGranJerry: [6X = 1.8 seconds] = 1.5-1.8? or 1.8-2.1? [2015-03-15 19:47:39] Redslash: 1.8-2.1 [2015-03-15 19:47:55] ElGranJerry: well fuck [2015-03-15 19:48:09] ElGranJerry: that explains my loads not working lmao [2015-03-15 19:49:18] ElGranJerry: I also couldn't get son of sun to work in my 100%. Is there a trick to it? A slight delay somewhere? [2015-03-15 19:49:26] ElGranJerry: Ayla died with the beam always [2015-03-15 19:49:46] ElGranJerry: I got a 43 minute son of sun split, yay :) [2015-03-15 19:51:09] Redslash: Sorry, I focused on the 2.1... 1.5-2.1 =P [2015-03-15 19:54:10] Redslash: Dang, that's tough man. I really wanted to watch but, no internet... [2015-03-15 19:54:38] ElGranJerry: that sucks :/ [2015-03-15 19:54:47] ElGranJerry: I was surprised I was on pace to cut my pb even with that [2015-03-15 19:54:54] ElGranJerry: but I lost 10 minutes on the final elixir glitch lol [2015-03-15 19:57:27] Redslash: Yowch [2015-03-15 19:57:58] ElGranJerry: 1.5 didn't work for me.. I am about to rewatch my vod [2015-03-15 19:58:35] ElGranJerry: I couldn't be that off for 10 minutes, when I switched to 2.1, 1st try [2015-03-15 19:59:17] ElGranJerry: or maybe I was haha [2015-03-15 20:00:25] ElGranJerry: Puwexil on the run Kreygasm [2015-03-15 20:01:31] Redslash: Man... I am a loser missing this stuff =) [2015-03-15 20:01:50] Redslash: But, I have a hitbox viewer [2015-03-15 20:02:13] ElGranJerry: ooooh, nice man! [2015-03-15 20:03:26] ElGranJerry: looking fwd for that [2015-03-15 20:03:38] ElGranJerry: I've been using the input display lately, pretty cool :) [2015-03-15 20:10:32] Redslash: I improved that a bit too. And well, the hb viewer is still buggy, but definitely a start [2015-03-15 20:12:34] Redslash: I added a movie feature where holding Space at the end of a fight, replays it... lol [2015-03-15 20:12:56] ElGranJerry: swag [2015-03-15 20:13:29] ElGranJerry: It helped me solve some Zombor issues for me, get my timing down better [2015-03-15 20:17:32] Redslash: Hb viewer doesn't show the Zombor stuff, kinda sad. And the whole Future uses a different trigger system, ah well [2015-03-15 20:20:16] ElGranJerry: :/ [2015-03-15 20:21:05] Redslash: Zombor's priority when I start hacking together the rest [2015-03-15 20:21:38] ElGranJerry: ah, sick [2015-03-15 20:21:49] ElGranJerry: 5:12:08 for Puwexil btw. Sad I missed it :( [2015-03-15 20:46:26] Redslash: Ok, I'm gonna type the script out on my phone here... j/k finding wifi [2015-03-15 20:46:53] Redslash: I mean, I guess that wouldn't take long [2015-03-15 21:52:31] Redslash: Ok (same link) http://bombch.us/10G [2015-03-15 22:13:17] Redslash: Of course, I have to post it late at night, so it's a present when u wake up [2015-03-16 0:54:14] Redslash: I think I could truly solve LSS now, with auto creating inputs... just take some time to set up [2015-03-16 8:52:19] ElGranJerry: Yooo, amazing man [2015-03-16 8:52:27] ElGranJerry: Gonna try it out for a while, looks neat [2015-03-16 8:52:42] DrunkenDraconian: what are the numbers in the squares? [2015-03-16 8:54:13] ElGranJerry: hmm idk yet lol [2015-03-16 8:55:04] DrunkenDraconian: how long did you make it Jerry? [2015-03-16 8:55:35] DrunkenDraconian: 20-21h? [2015-03-16 8:55:47] ElGranJerry: 21 [2015-03-16 8:56:05] ElGranJerry: Interestingly I didn't go to bed after that [2015-03-16 8:56:09] ElGranJerry: But I was super hungry lmao [2015-03-16 9:01:53] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, gotta unwind a bit [2015-03-16 9:02:02] ElGranJerry: It was fun dude [2015-03-16 9:02:06] ElGranJerry: I might do it more often [2015-03-16 9:02:13] ElGranJerry: but like 12-16 [2015-03-16 9:02:20] ElGranJerry: 24 is another level [2015-03-16 9:02:50] DrunkenDraconian: a streamer i watch used to do a 24 every week, but got sick from it [2015-03-16 9:15:03] ElGranJerry: dang [2015-03-16 9:15:06] ElGranJerry: it's rough dude [2015-03-16 9:15:15] ElGranJerry: but I improved from my 1st attempt which died at 18 [2015-03-16 9:15:58] DrunkenDraconian: Chinese food is like a sleeping pill for me ;) [2015-03-16 9:47:22] Redslash: Number is address (0A00+n, 1800+n, ...), to try and dig up what makes something a trigger, too much red rn [2015-03-16 9:50:10 | Edited 9:50:36] Redslash: 24 hours is incredible lol, even 21, 16... I guess might be "easier" to stick it out if you have 1 challenge you're intent on finishing... [2015-03-16 9:53:26] Redslash: I'd still like to try Pink Nu... doesn't take too much concentration, heh [2015-03-16 9:53:53] Puwexil: geno dome conveyor belt all day all night? [2015-03-16 9:59:59] Redslash: I always used a nice spot on Death Peak (3rd screen, 3 eggs and a ghost) where I could just zone out: left, right, mash, repeat [2015-03-16 10:00:45] Redslash: Falling eggs is prob better (although you don't win an ether) [2015-03-16 10:04:25] Redslash: Shelter at 3rd screen save is the way to go [2015-03-16 19:29:16 | Edited 19:29:40] Redslash: Sounds like the boy Jackafur might pick up CT soon (well, he's been interested for a while). I'm excited =) [2015-03-16 19:30:55] Redslash: He saw my bikerace, lmao [2015-03-16 19:33:00] Redslash: Also asked why we don't play J. Yo man, we're working on it X) [2015-03-16 20:47:17] ElGranJerry: sweeet [2015-03-16 20:52:19] ElGranJerry: I am searching for a good priced CT cart atm, will order that and the capture card this weekend [2015-03-16 20:52:58] ElGranJerry: I will be borrowing a friends snes to do runs for a while, so I will only be able to do runs 1 time a week [2015-03-16 20:53:02] ElGranJerry: maybe 2 at the most [2015-03-16 20:53:43] ElGranJerry: but I am excited :) [2015-03-16 21:23:42] Redslash: Wow, I forgot to check the leaderboards in a while. Congrats Otta, SW and DD on the PBs from the race! =) [2015-03-16 22:08:17] eLmaGus: hello speedfriends [2015-03-16 22:09:59] eLmaGus: so somebody in chat asked for a CT any% runner for Saturday either 7AM or 8PM EST. Its benefitting Down Syndrome International, anybody interested in running? [2015-03-16 22:12:12] eLmaGus: please dont answer all at once :> [2015-03-16 22:13:39] Redslash: =) I think I would volunteer if I could [2015-03-16 22:14:32] ElGranJerry: I have class in the morning :( [2015-03-16 22:14:42] ElGranJerry: hmm let me check about the night one [2015-03-16 22:15:14] eLmaGus: i would run myself but im still at the house at that time [2015-03-16 22:15:17] eLmaGus: : < [2015-03-16 22:16:05] ElGranJerry: looool I can't at night, I am best man at my friends wedding lmao [2015-03-16 22:16:09] ElGranJerry: Damn, it's march already [2015-03-16 22:16:13] eLmaGus: looool [2015-03-16 22:16:13] eLmaGus: nice [2015-03-16 22:16:24] ElGranJerry: need to rent the suit or w/e shit [2015-03-16 22:16:30] ElGranJerry: brb [2015-03-16 22:18:54] Redslash: Lol... I used a wedding as an excuse already in November, dang... have one coming up in May tho [2015-03-16 22:19:51] ElGranJerry: sweet [2015-03-16 22:19:53] ElGranJerry: free drinks [2015-03-16 22:20:00] ElGranJerry: Kappa [2015-03-16 22:21:50] Redslash: Guess so. Maybe enjoy this one more since I'm not flying to opposite U.S. coast this time [2015-03-16 22:25:34] Redslash: Although was still fun [2015-03-16 22:26:03] Redslash: Last night I ordered... a mic... [2015-03-16 22:26:32] ElGranJerry: :O [2015-03-16 22:29:06] Redslash: Nice cheap clip-on, but apparently anything's better than headset mic [2015-03-16 22:29:42] Redslash: Found this here blog http://streambig.net [2015-03-16 22:32:47] ElGranJerry: Normally yeah [2015-03-16 22:33:54] ElGranJerry: dang, the pie blog [2015-03-16 22:37:46] Redslash: If this starter mic he recommends is the one he used, that'd be cool, loved how he sounded with it. Might not be tho [2015-03-16 22:45:05] Redslash: I'm really taking my time tuning up this LSS solver, it'll be good... Leave no variable unturned, but let the results be readable too [2015-03-16 22:46:58] Redslash: I'll jam on it tomorrow. Goodnight fellas =) [2015-03-16 22:47:33] ElGranJerry: have a good night man [2015-03-17 13:43:58] Puwexil: just had a thought - would selling the jerky in any% be useful at all, either for affording more stuff or skipping other items sold for cash in the endgame? [2015-03-17 14:22:42] Redslash: Maybe for safety, though hard to say whether buying a Sightcap for Marle or something would be beneficial... and 10k isn't a whole lot, would still need a bit more~ [2015-03-17 14:24:19] Redslash: Actually, if it's faster than picking up the stuff in lower Desert room... maybe yes [2015-03-17 14:24:52] Puwexil: jerky's probably 10-15 sec if you sell it after getting the hero medal? [2015-03-17 14:24:55] Redslash: I think that stuff's worth a ton tho [2015-03-17 14:25:30] Nihil922: how much money do we save from skipping enhasa? [2015-03-17 14:26:50] Redslash: That's close to 10k too, if we say 700*14=9800 [2015-03-17 14:27:03] Nihil922: might be enough then? [2015-03-17 14:27:49] Redslash: What was down there exactly, hmm... [2015-03-17 14:29:34] Puwexil: think the aeon suit and helm are both down there [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: Lapis (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: Full Ether (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: Elixir (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: Aeon Suit (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: Full Tonic (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: 5000 G (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: HyperEther (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: Aeon Helm (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: Memory Cap (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:29:43] Nihil922: Full Ether (Sunken Desert Chest) [2015-03-17 14:30:09] Nihil922: dunno which are where [2015-03-17 14:30:55] Redslash: Bottom floor: 5K, Hyper+Fullether, Memory+Aeonhelm [2015-03-17 14:31:41] Redslash: Important stuff (Aeonsuit, Elixir) top floor [2015-03-17 14:38:19] Redslash: Oh and the Fulltonic, left that out. Bottom floor stuff is worth: 5k + Helms 14k + Ethers 8k = 27k... [2015-03-17 14:38:59] Redslash: I guess depending on the spawn you'd grab 1 or 2 things [2015-03-17 14:47:53 | Edited 14:48:14] Redslash: Ah, wouldn't be enough to make selling Jerky faster. But with skipping Enhasa, you could skip the bottom-right chest (Aeon 4k) and... one of the other 2 right-side ones (Hyperether 5k) [2015-03-17 14:51:03] Redslash: And maybe Otta does that, heh... I need to watch all those runs as soon I can =P [2015-03-17 14:55:12] Redslash: Lol, forgot you use Fullether [2015-03-17 15:04:28] Redslash: So 24k, that's awfully close, you can take any 1 chest, after the Fulltonic & Fullether. With good movement however, I think getting all the chests is still faster [2015-03-18 9:26:04] ElGranJerry: Anyone has a any% save state near Magus Castle? I accidentally saved over mine... again :/ [2015-03-18 9:26:19] ElGranJerry: Want to continue the tutorial today :) [2015-03-18 12:58:00] Puwexil: did anyone look into manipulating crits for the berserk ayla BT strat? still curious if that has any potential in either category [2015-03-18 13:15:16] SnesWarrior: I messed around with it for about an hour or two. Couldn't get the kill before the first flame breath. Best I got was a kill on "3". Never did time it or anything though. [2015-03-18 13:16:21] Puwexil: Could have sworn magus got the kill on 4 in his fight [2015-03-18 13:16:30] SnesWarrior: Manipulating crits is a little fishy there though, you'd have to save where you can run into the last grind fight again to set your crit table [2015-03-18 13:20:17] SnesWarrior: Although im not 100% sure how an "unset" crit table works, if it just chooses crits randomly or if it just has a chance to be on the correct value or not. If it has a fair chance of working w/o setting it - that might be worth it. I remember a long time ago people resetting and running straight to Nizbel without setting it. [2015-03-18 13:21:33 | Edited 13:21:45] SnesWarrior: I think you might be right, was he also on BS1? I was on 2 pretty sure. Might have to look into that, these strats might be better on 1? Or I was just really bad. [2015-03-18 13:22:19] SnesWarrior: (Most likely the 2nd option =P ) [2015-03-18 14:39:53] Puwexil: https://secure.twitch.tv/elmagus/v/40963860 is magus' test fight [2015-03-18 15:00:51] Ottavino: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-saCrIdAUwMnNMclZsbVVSYlU/view?usp=sharing magus castle save file (it's a movie file) [2015-03-18 15:02:24] Ottavino: fot BT, you learn spincut with 2 battles before nizbel 2, so the berserk ayla strat doesn't skip a battle before nizbel II [2015-03-18 15:03:53] Ottavino: for now, berserk ayla strat is 15 sec longer than the regular strat [2015-03-18 15:06:28] Puwexil: :( [2015-03-18 15:41:57] ElGranJerry: Thanks Ottavino <3 Gonna work on the tutorial some more [2015-03-18 16:04:17] Ottavino: for the repair masamune cutscene at melchior, no need to open characters swap after the cutscene, just put chrono marle lucca in this order during the fadeout trick [2015-03-18 16:09:25] Ottavino: for those who have troubles to start this cutscene, it's really weird, but it's because you need to talk to melchioir TWICE to trigger the dialog [2015-03-18 16:13:20] SnesWarrior: Ahhh! No wonder I thought I was noticing "lag" there lol. That info helps a lot [2015-03-18 16:13:38] SnesWarrior: No telling how many times i've just tried to use one input not realizing that [2015-03-18 16:14:43] Ottavino: so now i go to him, press A, then start the fadeout trick [2015-03-18 16:16:21] Redslash: That's true for waking up Gaspar too actually, if you're standing still. But running against him you only have to hit A once [2015-03-18 16:16:36] Redslash: It's weird. Might be different for Melchior [2015-03-18 16:17:16] Ottavino: it's maybe a result of the first cutscene skip [2015-03-18 16:27:24] Redslash: I'm running a script which collects the LSS pillars in all different ways. Doesn't work with fast-forward, so it'll take quite while [2015-03-18 16:30:52] Redslash: If the triggers are a 28-frame cycle, then I want to try (28 frames * 16 x-positions) ^ 2... and each takes 30 seconds. Probably there's a bit smarter way [2015-03-18 16:45:11] Redslash: Doesn't need to run to completion to start seeing patterns, at least [2015-03-18 17:57:44] Redslash: Phew... too many variables [2015-03-18 18:04:38] Redslash: Even the frame talking to Gaspar.. =( [2015-03-18 18:28:33] ElGranJerry: dang [2015-03-18 18:28:45] ElGranJerry: that's gonna take some time [2015-03-18 18:59:55] Redslash: I need to just study triggers more, I bet they don't need to be tested so much. And I could add visuals for the hitbox viewer too [2015-03-18 19:03:48] Redslash: What's wrong with the Bridge and 1000AD Forest is some overworld junk stays in the object coordinate area and messes up the calculation. The Hetakes have a funny hitbox, it's on their upper-right (still only 16x16) [2015-03-18 19:05:32] Redslash: Even the big Omnicrones in the room before Slash- that's another one I need to fix so you can see [2015-03-19 8:20:14] ElGranJerry: So.. I got the capture card and the splitters ready to ship... anything else I would need to take into account before I hit order? [2015-03-19 8:21:27] Puwexil: if you're getting a GV-USB2 I'd recommend s-video capture - makes the picture on stream a lot sharper [2015-03-19 8:22:01] Puwexil: it's fine if your TV doesn't support it - can just connect the composite video to TV and s-video to GV-USB2 (which is what I do for most of my consoles) [2015-03-19 8:23:28] ElGranJerry: like this one? http://www.amazon.com/Gameplay-SNES-GameCube-N64-S-Video-Audio/dp/B0085ME19Q [2015-03-19 8:24:14] Puwexil: yeah, gamecube and SNES use the same cable [2015-03-19 8:25:11] ElGranJerry: so, that goes into the capture card and then I split the signal to tv and computer? [2015-03-19 8:25:19] ElGranJerry: Still a bit lost here lol [2015-03-19 8:26:45] Puwexil: the way I'd set it up is: [2015-03-19 8:26:45] Puwexil: s-video - directly to capture card [2015-03-19 8:26:45] Puwexil: composite video - directly to TV [2015-03-19 8:26:45] Puwexil: L/R audio - to splitter (then to TV and capture card or PC) [2015-03-19 8:27:20] Puwexil: the s-video and composite video are separate cables, so you don't need to split them [2015-03-19 8:30:00] ElGranJerry: aaah, cool. Makes sense now. [2015-03-19 8:30:03] ElGranJerry: Thanks for explaining [2015-03-19 8:30:09] Puwexil: no problem [2015-03-19 8:30:53] ElGranJerry: I will order that in a bit then :) 2 1/2 weeks shipping time though [2015-03-19 8:30:59] ElGranJerry: but it's free so I can't complain [2015-03-19 9:47:02] Redslash: I spent a bit more and got an S-video that doesn't have yellow composite, because I read having both makes signal weaker like it's being split. But it's probably not huge, and both seems more useful anyhow [2015-03-19 9:50:59] Puwexil: not needing an s-video splitter + cables is pretty nice [2015-03-19 9:51:32] Puwexil: or a CRT TV that supports it [2015-03-19 9:51:54] Redslash: S-video captured and RF going to TV is pretty good, if you don't mind the quality you yourself see =) [2015-03-19 9:54:33] Redslash: But yeah, a CRT with composite-out is great, unfortunately I've only seen it on big ones that aren't in good shape X) [2015-03-19 10:08:22] Puwexil: I got my CRT new when I moved into my 1st apt in 2004, so it's basically fully loaded for being like a 29" or 32" [2015-03-19 10:08:47] Puwexil: use the audio out so I don't need an audio splitter, and the composite video out for NES stuff [2015-03-19 10:36:49] Redslash: That's rad, I might look around for a good one, since mine is kinda beat up... I wonder if S-video out exists, heh [2015-03-19 11:59:10] ElGranJerry: the CRT I have is 12" or something rofl, thinking about using the lcd tv or something while I find a better one [2015-03-19 12:35:32 | Edited 12:38:00] Redslash: Dang, hardcore, I think mine's 14"... The picture sits crooked relative to the box so I prop the right side up~ [2015-03-19 12:40:57] Redslash: =0 I sped up LSS solver by 4x. Just can't frame skip while Crono/Lucca pass through the pixel I'm watching [2015-03-19 12:51:53] ElGranJerry: sweet Kreygasm [2015-03-19 15:30:39] Redslash: My laptop is enjoying running 8 solvers at once... Better get more computers [2015-03-19 15:33:01] Redslash: Each instance uses a different savestate so they don't conflict, hehe [2015-03-19 18:13:43 | Edited 18:15:20] Redslash: Ok, I realized a while ago that "moving triggers" don't actually move but just cycles as a whole... I forgot. I can scrap the position testing [2015-03-19 18:59:23 | Edited 18:59:31] Redslash: Even 0xA101's playing US, lmao... yo they smell that blood Johnny drew [2015-03-19 18:59:44] ElGranJerry: yeah, pretty hype [2015-03-19 19:00:04] ElGranJerry: and jackafur has been messaging me a bit as well... we are getting more runners :O [2015-03-19 20:58:18] Puwexil: been wondering lately if the silver stud/earring are really worth the detour in 100% [2015-03-19 20:58:30] Puwexil: stud is only used for BT and giga gaia, and earring only for son of sun [2015-03-19 21:14:59] Redslash: I noticed that too, about the Earring. But Ayla also uses Stud for Gigagaia/OP... lot of Falconhits there [2015-03-19 21:16:11] Puwexil: giga gaia shouldn't be an issue because lucca can mid-ether ayla - golem twins might be a bigger deal [2015-03-19 21:17:34] Puwexil: actually they shouldn't - only need 6 FH's [2015-03-19 21:18:32 | Edited 21:18:59] Redslash: Yeah, let's see... if we can survive SoS w/ Earring we could be in business... might be pretty tough [2015-03-19 21:18:56] Puwexil: I was able to do it just now by having her full tonic herself on the 2nd round [2015-03-19 21:19:12] Puwexil: you have a spare action before the 3rd roulette would occur anyway [2015-03-19 21:19:23] Puwexil: went on and was still able to kill the rubbles in giant's claw consistently [2015-03-19 21:19:53] Redslash: Hmm, ok. I wonder then! [2015-03-19 21:20:25] Puwexil: I guess it's also debatable if she even needs to survive son of sun - she's basically done after that except for yakra xiii (if you're using elixir strats) and regular fights in the black omen [2015-03-19 21:37:42] Redslash: Cool... yeah she will be 1 level lower for the rest of the game. Seems great, I wasn't very solid on SoS to try it before [2015-03-19 21:44:49] Redslash: I just saw Crono zip straight down from the Lavos bucket. Wonder if that'll ever happen again [2015-03-19 21:47:08] Redslash: Omg what is happening [2015-03-19 21:49:22] ElGranJerry: BT without stud is ridiculous, just tried it. You run out of mp way before the 1st cycle of BT even ends [2015-03-19 21:49:46] ElGranJerry: Might work with better planning though, but idk [2015-03-19 21:49:52] Puwexil: it's working OK for me [2015-03-19 21:50:17] Puwexil: crono has barely enough MP for each phase, if I sub a mid-ether for a slash between the phases [2015-03-19 21:53:33] ElGranJerry: I can see how it works though, it just becomes tighter [2015-03-19 21:55:34] ElGranJerry: would be interesting if it worked, wouldn't be a major timesave but a timesave at least :) [2015-03-19 21:56:18] Puwexil: looking like 20-25 sec minus whatever extra stuff you have to do to make up for not having the items [2015-03-19 21:57:01] ElGranJerry: yeah, 23-26 is what I've been getting from skipping the items [2015-03-19 22:01:56] ElGranJerry: mid ether animation takes 2s [2015-03-19 22:02:02] ElGranJerry: + menu time or we [2015-03-20 0:13:34] Redslash: If you run through pillars just right (while holding A), you won't pick it up...? Eventually I won't have to supervise this, I hope =P [2015-03-20 0:19:53] Redslash: I think part of the problem is just Snes9x breaking. I've had frame-advance stop working many times before, better start fresh often... [2015-03-20 22:11:26] Redslash: So, looks like everything I tested has no effect... which is pretty neat... [2015-03-20 22:16:11] Redslash: My script is now useless =) Lot of junk out of the way tho, now we can test more practical things [2015-03-21 12:42:31] Redslash: All the CT right now =0 GL y'all [2015-03-21 13:18:24] Will: yo yo, noob question on JP Mr. Redslash [2015-03-21 13:18:41] Will: For the DT fight, does Lucca have to die? [2015-03-21 13:19:34] Redslash: Yo! Nah, she has to live [2015-03-21 13:19:54] Will: drats, that RNG is tricky. I'm getting the crits but DT just wipes her out [2015-03-21 13:21:56] Redslash: There's the one tricky input where she waits for Crono's ATB to fill, have to react immediately to it [2015-03-21 13:22:33] Redslash: Kind of a tight battle [2015-03-21 13:24:27] Will: gotcha. I think that's where I was running into trouble. [2015-03-21 13:27:21] Redslash: You'll get the feel. Wait there with your cursor already on the head [2015-03-21 13:29:20] Will: I got it! Crono gets the laser instead of Lucca after the Fwhirl [2015-03-21 13:34:51] Redslash: Huh... I dunno, lol. Crono has 1hp for me when I do Fwhirl [2015-03-21 13:35:45] Redslash: I believe laser is a counter, so whoever inputs the tech [2015-03-21 13:39:30] Will: I think I might've gotten lucky, but that waiting cursor did the trick instead of just mashing right+x [2015-03-21 14:01:31] Will: oh and if anyone is interesting, I have pillar storage and LSS from Redslash's theory tas [2015-03-21 14:01:57] Will: mp4 format [2015-03-21 14:12:01] DrunkenDraconian: when is the script for sub 2 Any%? Kappa [2015-03-21 14:15:19] Redslash: Sweet, glad that helped [2015-03-21 14:17:36] Redslash: Eh-heh... what's neat is LSS isn't possible w/o Tyrano crater gate [2015-03-21 14:18:21] Will: http://bit.ly/1EE7KeM LSS tas [2015-03-21 14:18:49] Will: interesting [2015-03-21 14:20:33] Will: might have to bother you some more on the pillar storage [2015-03-21 14:21:25] Redslash: I think I'm onto something too, loading EoT from any gate sets the "subpixel" in your coordinate, which never changes otherwise and I never imagined it'd be important [2015-03-21 14:21:43] Redslash: Seems to make the difference though... [2015-03-21 14:22:10] Redslash: And yeah man, ask away [2015-03-21 14:26:27] Redslash: Sub-pixel increments 5 per frame during the zip though, lol... dat fractional speed [2015-03-21 16:14:21] Redslash: It's the little wooden gate, I just know it. The 10th gate [2015-03-21 16:25:35] Redslash: Notice how P2 & P3 don't line up with Crono anymore after opening it? I've been overlooking this [2015-03-21 16:33:58] Puwexil: so what does getting Locked in the 1st sunken desert battle mean for the load (early/late)? [2015-03-21 16:35:04] Redslash: Late, usually (spincut 592) [2015-03-21 16:39:21] Puwexil: I've usually been getting 596 [2015-03-21 16:40:23] Puwexil: with the easier setup (reset after getting swallow, fail bird skip) [2015-03-21 16:44:28] Puwexil: worked pretty consistently in practice, but this time marle got locked instead of missed, and I couldn't get the backup load (599 spincut + crono getting locked) [2015-03-21 16:46:12] Redslash: I guess your power is higher to add 7, 596 should be good... did you Rollokick quickly? [2015-03-21 16:46:29 | Edited 16:46:44] Redslash: On 592(599) Crono gets locked [2015-03-21 16:47:59] Puwexil: on the 596 I waited for the mohavor, which usually misses marle, but locked her instead [2015-03-21 16:48:56] Redslash: Yeah, it'll be 50% chance to lock (every other frame) [2015-03-21 16:49:23] Puwexil: ah, is there any recovery from that or do I have to reset and try the harder load? [2015-03-21 16:49:24] Redslash: If you Rollokick before, it'll be 100% miss [2015-03-21 16:49:28] Puwexil: oh [2015-03-21 16:49:59] Puwexil: so no waiting then? just spincut, rollokick, ice at 1st opportunity? [2015-03-21 16:50:16] Redslash: Rollokick, wait Ice [2015-03-21 16:52:59] Redslash: Usually the guy misses pretty soon, so you don't have to worry about that, but waiting so that you can go Ice-Spincut together is really good actually [2015-03-21 16:57:30] Puwexil: k, guess I was misreading the guide because my spincut numbers were never lining up [2015-03-21 16:59:31 | Edited 16:59:52] Redslash: Yeah. I'll add 596 and maybe more as being good. There's only 2 possible damages for spincut, the rest miss [2015-03-21 17:01:53 | Edited 17:02:38] Redslash: Except for 587 at DC-E2 (full second late), and 590 at 0D-2D (never see that either) [2015-03-21 17:02:47] Puwexil: so can a 599 with the 2.5-2.75 load work, or is that just a bad seed? [2015-03-21 17:04:03] Redslash: 592/599 will always be 50% chance to lock =( But if you do make it, you're good to go [2015-03-21 17:04:26] Puwexil: I think I got crono locked like 3-4 times before I gave up and just drill kicked everything [2015-03-21 17:04:35] Puwexil: though I always waited for the mohavor instead of rollokicking right away [2015-03-21 17:07:14] Redslash: It might even be worse than 50%, not sure though. What that is is the 2.75-3 window, btw. 2.5-2.75 gives 589/596 [2015-03-21 17:08:30] Redslash: Once again +7 b/c of extra level, I'm assuming =) [2015-03-21 17:13:43] SnesWarrior: Also Puwexil, in the small chance you ever end up in that 1 lapis situation again, pick up the mega elixir in the castle when you go to pick up the normal elixir. Although that was a really good 1 lapis attempt though hehe [2015-03-21 17:14:23] Puwexil: oh lol, didn't realize there was one there - inner-east tower? [2015-03-21 17:14:52] SnesWarrior: Yep, where Marle's room is. [2015-03-21 17:15:22] Puwexil: cool, good to know [2015-03-21 19:05:20] DrunkenDraconian: you can check my vod for a backup. 1 lapis happened to me in the race, there is time to use 2 full tonic [2015-03-21 19:09:17] DrunkenDraconian: wait i was on BS6 [2015-03-21 20:55:47] Redslash: LSS is "solved" FUNgineer [2015-03-21 20:55:56] Redslash: We got that 50-50 [2015-03-21 20:56:04] Ottavino: yeah! [2015-03-21 20:56:35] ElGranJerry: Kreygasm [2015-03-21 20:56:39] ElGranJerry: RED IS THE BOSS [2015-03-21 20:58:51] SnesWarrior: GG J version [2015-03-21 21:00:31] Redslash: Now I have to work out how to stream again. Practice only for a while [2015-03-21 21:11:41] Redslash: Yeah, feels good. Taking that journey with Lua was fun, it planted me right back where I started, ha ha. And then, just a couple lucky finds [2015-03-21 21:12:24] ElGranJerry: I am expecting a video called "LSS for Dummies" [2015-03-21 21:12:39] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-03-21 21:14:34] Redslash: I'm gonna work it into the hitbox viewer, hehe [2015-03-21 21:14:54] ElGranJerry: :O [2015-03-21 21:20:16] Redslash: I'm also going to make it so you can "rewind" the smv, by saving an internal state automatically every room transition... [2015-03-21 21:21:25] Redslash: I think 32 is good, ~ size of a big dungeon [2015-03-22 13:34:16] Redslash: Ahh I know what to do with time display. Your duration of individual rooms/fights [2015-03-23 12:58:28] SnesWarrior: http://blog.twitch.tv/2015/03/important-notice-about-your-twitch-account/ Reset your passwords.... FailFish [2015-03-23 12:59:06] ElGranJerry: I don't know if Twitch just doesn't care [2015-03-23 12:59:11] ElGranJerry: the website is going to shit lately [2015-03-23 13:00:06] SnesWarrior: Yep, they've definitely had a few issues lately [2015-03-23 13:00:15] ElGranJerry: how can I change my password though lmao [2015-03-23 13:00:18] ElGranJerry: I can't login anymore [2015-03-23 13:00:34] SnesWarrior: Make sure to reconnect your Xsplit/OBS to your stream as well, they forced stream key resets =/ [2015-03-23 13:01:03] SnesWarrior: It should prompt you to automatically reset your password on login now - unless they are having more problems now [2015-03-23 13:02:30] ElGranJerry: Twitch will send reset instructions to the email address associated with your account [2015-03-23 13:02:35] ElGranJerry: sure... lol [2015-03-23 13:03:23] SnesWarrior: Main thing that scares me is them saying to reset anything that's connected to your Twitch if it uses a similar password... how much info did they get?... hopefully they're just being cautious. [2015-03-23 13:03:27] ElGranJerry: meh whatever, I will just wait [2015-03-23 13:03:42] ElGranJerry: prolly YT, twitter [2015-03-23 13:05:03] Redslash: I think they just mean anywhere you use similar name+password combo. Good advice =P [2015-03-23 13:06:10] ElGranJerry: ah, I reseted twitter and yt anyways [2015-03-23 13:06:17] ElGranJerry: even though I never use the same pass lol [2015-03-23 14:40:54] DrunkenDraconian: hey Red, mind re-posting that spreadsheet of the RNG flowchart-like thing [2015-03-23 15:05:56] Redslash: I think this's it https://www.dropbox.com/s/98vycnpvxvpwl2v/RNG_E-0218.xls?dl=0 [2015-03-23 15:06:18] DrunkenDraconian: yup thanks [2015-03-23 17:19:09] Redslash: Lol, wait a minute... Otta's Lavos elixir glitch w/ Frog in slot 2 works for the mash loads as well! [2015-03-23 17:19:32] Redslash: rip 1.5-2.1... [2015-03-23 19:38:49] ElGranJerry: oh nice [2015-03-23 19:38:57] ElGranJerry: so the first 6 frames one? Like Yakra [2015-03-23 20:05:59] Redslash: Yeah. P3 will either get bolted, or hit by the right bit with the spinning color thing [2015-03-23 20:17:04] Redslash: I haven't gotten any email notifications from Twitch since that deal earlier, dang [2015-03-23 20:17:37] DrunkenDraconian: mine was in my junk mail [2015-03-23 20:20:58] Redslash: Oh, I mean for when streams go live [2015-03-23 20:23:04] Redslash: It's the bare minimum of staying informed, lol... I don't wanna sign in [2015-03-23 20:25:33] Redslash: Ok yeah they turned it off, lame.... [2015-03-23 22:27:38] ElGranJerry: Frog attcks during the bolt animation? [2015-03-23 22:47:37] Redslash: Yessir [2015-03-24 7:55:28] ElGranJerry: mid? [2015-03-24 8:52:11] Redslash: I attack left guy, save some frames [2015-03-24 9:11:19] Will: you guys ever heard about the disappearing frog glitch? it happens when you return the masamune to frog. basically just rearrange your characters and he disappears. [2015-03-24 9:15:52] Redslash: Happened to me a couple times when I forgot to switch out Robo after Masa fight, it's a nice little time-waste [2015-03-24 9:18:07] Will: going to see if it works on DS too [2015-03-24 16:49:45] Redslash: Making progress on showing *location comments (detects room you're in), on the overlay [2015-03-24 16:51:45] Redslash: Already though, Heckran shares the same map with 2 other rooms, and the Tyrano Lair outside areas lumped together will be rough too, lol... [2015-03-24 16:54:52] Redslash: Getting the door you entered from would work... ok, why not [2015-03-24 20:16:41] Redslash: Remember how we determined you can't Cyclone the Bluebirds on Denadoro? You can with a bright load, and it puts you on 57 (required for Berserk Robo). What a lucky backup, lmao [2015-03-25 15:19:08] Redslash: I was so excited about mash backup for Elixir glitch... Turns out 06,07,08 and ONLY 0C work, which is the value in 09-0C that I happened to try FailFish [2015-03-25 15:22:00] SnesWarrior: Do those all come out to the same damage number for Crono during Breast Lasers? I'm getting it seemingly consistent with damage number 2048 [2015-03-25 15:28:45 | Edited 15:29:03] Redslash: Well, just now 6,7,8 give me 35 for last phase which is good, 9,A,B give 37 which is bad, 0C gives 35 again. 3 different damages for Crono (on JP atm tho) [2015-03-25 15:36:13] Redslash: 2039 and 2046 good, Frog gets bolted with 2048... [2015-03-25 15:37:09] SnesWarrior: For 2048, are you waiting for the first bolt before attacking? [2015-03-25 15:37:42] SnesWarrior: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lwlbyuqvzix2ue2/MashElixir2048.smv?dl=0 [2015-03-25 15:37:49] SnesWarrior: That's what I get on 2048 for english [2015-03-25 15:46:31] Redslash: No I wasn't. Cool, it works. You can also start the fight (both 35&37) by holding X with Crono, then Frog can attack on Lavos' 1st move (more time for elixir that way) [2015-03-25 15:47:42] SnesWarrior: Okay, so I get this straight, for 2039 and 2046, you attack during Lavos/Bits first move? And for 2048 you just wait for lightning [2015-03-25 15:48:46] Redslash: You can wait until the move after the heal, for both [2015-03-25 15:50:20] Redslash: Waiting for the bolt makes the elixir pretty tight, on BS4. Ah well [2015-03-25 16:02:07] SnesWarrior: Thats ok though, you can just hope to get 2039/46 and just know if you get the 48 you gotta be fast. [2015-03-25 16:02:26] SnesWarrior: Hopefully you dont have to even bother with the backup though [2015-03-25 16:13:11] Redslash: True. But, it's my main for LSS too, so I panicked a bit =) [2015-03-25 16:13:32] SnesWarrior: ooo, right right [2015-03-25 16:20:08] Redslash: So troll though, why would 0C be different, ha ha... [2015-03-25 16:22:30] SnesWarrior: That makes me wonder if back when I was digging around at R-series if the loads I did that you said might've been "mid-frame" ones aren't just possibly "troll" values as well [2015-03-25 16:24:17] SnesWarrior: Hmmm and actually that makes me wonder if VC Masamune isn't just the cause of a value like that [2015-03-25 16:25:45] Redslash: Well, I guess it's a "half-window," but the window is so dang small to start with it's unbelievable. [2015-03-25 16:27:35 | Edited 16:28:12] Ottavino: for VC masamune, this battle always starts with the same value (75 for masa & mune, B7 for masamune) [2015-03-25 16:29:00] SnesWarrior: I see, so I guess it is just some weird lag then when your 2nd antipode gets input on a certain frame, =/ thats so lame [2015-03-25 16:29:01] Ottavino: i couldn't reproduce it on dolphin, so i think it's a bug relative to wii vc [2015-03-25 16:35:04 | Edited 16:35:14] Redslash: I was thinking I had that one happen to me before, but now I'm not sure. An older JP strat I used had a pretty high chance to fail at the start, even though it was just holding X [2015-03-25 16:36:41] Redslash: It was like 1 in 4 frames, lol [2015-03-25 16:37:04] Ottavino: depending on when you hit X? [2015-03-25 16:39:26] Redslash: I think so. I'll try to find it again and see. [2015-03-25 16:43:19] Ottavino: CT race sunday 5pm est! Hype! [2015-03-25 16:46:26] DrunkenDraconian: o.O? [2015-03-25 16:47:11] Redslash: I'm gonna try to join. Pretty sure I can. [2015-03-25 16:47:59] Ottavino: cool! [2015-03-25 16:51:11] SnesWarrior: I got family coming in this weekend, but maybe I can sneak it in [2015-03-25 16:51:23] SnesWarrior: If not i'll be cheering you all on at least [2015-03-25 18:17:55] ElGranJerry: yeah, Jack said he would be joining as well. So 3 entrants atm hype! [2015-03-25 18:20:05] Will: If willing and able, I'll join as well. [2015-03-25 21:45:41] DrunkenDraconian: I'm a maybe [2015-03-25 23:35:59] Redslash: Will hype! [2015-03-25 23:36:09] Redslash: DD hype! [2015-03-26 0:45:56] eLmaGus: i will try to join but 5PM EST conflicts with my sleep schedule atm [2015-03-26 0:46:13] eLmaGus: we will see [2015-03-26 1:05:07] Redslash: Magus hype! [2015-03-26 1:18:12] Redslash: So specifically EST not EDT, right? But Europe changes to daylight on Sunday anyhow... March is hard to schedule, lol [2015-03-26 1:19:03] eLmaGus: well 5PM EST/EDT doesnt matter its conflicting with me 8) [2015-03-26 1:19:26] eLmaGus: its either 10/11PM for us [2015-03-26 1:19:38] eLmaGus: which both suck [2015-03-26 1:21:22] Redslash: Dang... well for me, 1 or 2pm. Guess I'm asking for myself~ [2015-03-26 1:21:44] eLmaGus: yeah timezones are whack [2015-03-26 7:55:25] ElGranJerry: If you want to change the time go ahead. I wont be able to join if its later but if more can at a dif.time the change it :) [2015-03-26 7:55:43] eLmaGus: oh please dont change it just for me [2015-03-26 7:55:53] eLmaGus: im probably the only idiot who goes to sleep early these days [2015-03-26 7:57:51] DrunkenDraconian: I wish I could go to sleep early, damn sim city [2015-03-26 8:18:42] ElGranJerry: I go to sleep early as well :) But dif timezone lol [2015-03-26 8:21:19] Puwexil: skipping silver stud/earring is a go for my next 100% run - I tested all of the impacted battles last night and all that needed to change was mid-ethering crono during BT and ayla during giga gaia [2015-03-26 8:22:13] Puwexil: didn't seem to matter whether I gave crono the magicscarf or powerglove for BT - either way the extra damage made up for losing a slash between BT phases becuase of the mid ether [2015-03-26 8:23:46] Puwexil: did 1 test fight with the taban vest too, and it was about 25sec slower that my test fight without it [2015-03-26 8:26:16] Puwexil: probably worth more testing, but not looking obviously better right now [2015-03-26 10:18:28] ElGranJerry: sounds great, looking fwd to seeing that [2015-03-26 11:16:47] Redslash: Dang, awesome. So the cats diverge even earlier now [2015-03-26 11:17:47] Redslash: .... I should try it for JP =0 [2015-03-26 11:27:09] Redslash: JP allowed in the race? Heh heh... really want to play that, but I'm stoked to practice any CT at all [2015-03-26 11:31:38] Redslash: (Need to work on US anyway, lol) [2015-03-26 11:32:01] eLmaGus: i really hate that people use the save SD load now [2015-03-26 11:32:07] eLmaGus: why did you have to show them [2015-03-26 11:32:11] eLmaGus: all the excitement is gone [2015-03-26 11:35:55] Redslash: lmao [2015-03-26 11:36:09] eLmaGus: dont laugh its true [2015-03-26 11:36:18] eLmaGus: >: -( [2015-03-26 11:36:20] Nihil922: what load? [2015-03-26 11:36:24] eLmaGus: NOOOOOO [2015-03-26 11:36:27] eLmaGus: you heard nothing [2015-03-26 11:36:30] Redslash: I know, that's why it's funny [2015-03-26 11:36:58] eLmaGus: you can load after getting the Swallow and fail birdskip on purpose [2015-03-26 11:36:58 | Edited 11:37:03] Redslash: It's on the route, heh [2015-03-26 11:37:08] eLmaGus: and SD will be cakewalk [2015-03-26 11:37:10] eLmaGus: its 1.5-2.1 [2015-03-26 11:37:12] eLmaGus: or some shit [2015-03-26 11:37:15] eLmaGus: easymode [2015-03-26 11:37:50] Nihil922: oh [2015-03-26 11:38:00] Redslash: If you mess up you gotta do it the hard way, or start all the way back. Still exciting : > [2015-03-26 11:38:07] eLmaGus: please [2015-03-26 11:38:13] eLmaGus: you can just save and load before SD [2015-03-26 11:38:17] eLmaGus: if you mess up that bit [2015-03-26 11:38:47] ElGranJerry: I am never doing safe load there [2015-03-26 11:38:50] ElGranJerry: I live for that load [2015-03-26 11:38:56] ElGranJerry: 2.5-2.75 go [2015-03-26 11:38:56] Nihil922: ^ [2015-03-26 11:39:27] Redslash: I dunno metronome makes it easy anyway, hehe [2015-03-26 11:39:38] eLmaGus: i have a decent scrolling setup [2015-03-26 11:39:43] Nihil922: i just count :D [2015-03-26 11:39:48] eLmaGus: but this redslash guy goes for the easy load anyways [2015-03-26 11:39:50] ElGranJerry: ^ same [2015-03-26 11:40:07] eLmaGus: because he wants to teach the world the easy way to do things [2015-03-26 11:40:10] eLmaGus: >: -( [2015-03-26 11:40:31] eLmaGus: i really have to get around to learn switched controls so i can fadeout faster [2015-03-26 11:40:46] eLmaGus: i physically cant do fast fadeouts with X as menu [2015-03-26 11:41:23] Redslash: I did think of metronome immediately after doing the run with "safe load", actually never doing it again, so~ [2015-03-26 11:41:33] eLmaGus: thats my boy [2015-03-26 11:41:37] eLmaGus: alright you have redeemed yourself [2015-03-26 11:41:45] eLmaGus: now we just have to erase every trace of that load [2015-03-26 11:43:54] Redslash: It's ok, no one will do it anymore when metronome is in WR X) [2015-03-26 11:44:19] eLmaGus: why do i doubt that [2015-03-26 11:44:26] eLmaGus: nobody is failing races on purpose [2015-03-26 11:44:30] eLmaGus: (devil) [2015-03-26 11:47:37] Redslash: hope they at least learn if you fail you gotta reset the screen, by walking into the lab and back [2015-03-26 11:47:56] eLmaGus: heh [2015-03-26 11:51:48] Redslash: But yeah, I can't wait for mad at metronome ; ) It's like no effort, imo [2015-03-26 11:52:16] eLmaGus: well [2015-03-26 11:52:21] eLmaGus: i would have to buy a metronome [2015-03-26 11:52:24] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-03-26 11:53:42] Redslash: Lots of free metronome programs, heh [2015-03-26 11:54:17] eLmaGus: eh i dont trust myself with that [2015-03-26 11:54:27] eLmaGus: randomly close it on accident, wait to reopen it [2015-03-26 11:54:35] eLmaGus: i like to have a "physical" copy of one [2015-03-26 11:54:39] eLmaGus: i'd * [2015-03-26 11:54:50] eLmaGus: watching jack it seems really nice [2015-03-26 11:55:46] Redslash: Didn't even know he's doing that, dang. Gj Jack [2015-03-26 11:56:08] eLmaGus: confirmed not watching stream [2015-03-26 11:56:14] Redslash: I like the one on my phone, pretty easy to use [2015-03-26 11:56:20] eLmaGus: how did you not hear the metronome [2015-03-26 11:56:22] eLmaGus: lol [2015-03-26 11:56:32] Redslash: Uh yeah confirmed no internet, lol [2015-03-26 11:56:41] eLmaGus: you were in his strim this morning [2015-03-26 11:57:14] Redslash: I was actually driving home, lmao... [2015-03-26 11:57:20] eLmaGus: lul [2015-03-26 11:57:28] Redslash: I would never miss a Jack stream if I had internet [2015-03-26 11:57:33] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-03-26 11:58:15] eLmaGus: well next time you watch him (i assume the runback is tomorrow), its pretty neat [2015-03-26 11:58:25] eLmaGus: works perfectly for every load [2015-03-26 11:58:32] eLmaGus: he nailed magus backup [2015-03-26 11:59:10] Redslash: And he does safe Desert tho? [2015-03-26 11:59:50] ElGranJerry: I fell asleep and didn't watch the desert yesterday [2015-03-26 11:59:56] eLmaGus: he does do safe Desert [2015-03-26 12:00:01] ElGranJerry: DansGame [2015-03-26 12:00:08] Redslash: Aight, I'll talk to him about that then lol [2015-03-26 12:00:17] eLmaGus: hahaha dude he is new [2015-03-26 12:00:26] eLmaGus: i can somewhat justify him using that one [2015-03-26 12:00:29] ElGranJerry: he got a solid run yesterday [2015-03-26 12:00:30] eLmaGus: because SD is scary [2015-03-26 12:00:31] eLmaGus: if you are new [2015-03-26 12:00:33] eLmaGus: please [2015-03-26 12:00:35] eLmaGus: 4 hours [2015-03-26 12:00:57] ElGranJerry: saved 2:30 hours [2015-03-26 12:01:01] ElGranJerry: 2nd run, not bad [2015-03-26 12:01:09] eLmaGus: well.... [2015-03-26 12:01:36] Redslash: If you're actually using metronome there's totally no worry [2015-03-26 12:01:48] eLmaGus: probably [2015-03-26 12:01:56] eLmaGus: but if you are new everything in the game is scary [2015-03-26 12:02:03] eLmaGus: even for seasoned pro's, everything is scary [2015-03-26 12:02:29] Redslash: Nu in Cursed Woods is scariest [2015-03-26 12:02:34] eLmaGus: agreed [2015-03-26 12:02:47] Redslash: Never know when that guy's gonna pop out at ya [2015-03-26 12:04:53] Redslash: I guess physical metronome is probably cheap anyway, huh. And you get to put stickers on it... tempting [2015-03-26 12:05:28] eLmaGus: lololol [2015-03-26 12:05:34] eLmaGus: yeah shouldnt be tooooo expensive [2015-03-26 12:08:51] Redslash: My cart had a happy face sticker a long time ago, we'd play it so much it'd heat the glue and slide around [2015-03-26 12:12:50] eLmaGus: lol [2015-03-26 12:19:34] ElGranJerry: lol [2015-03-26 16:30:55] Redslash: Oh brother.. for JP BT, Magicscarf Crono does exactly enough damage to Azala, to cut out a cycle [2015-03-26 16:34:30] Redslash: I'm about due to make a whole new theory TAS already [2015-03-26 17:07:55] Will: Oh! :o [2015-03-26 17:49:43] Ottavino: for giga gaia in lavos boss rush, switch to bs1, it saves ~2.5 sec [2015-03-26 18:55:38] Redslash: Nice... and shell BT is somewhat doable too on BS1, might be thrilling to try [2015-03-26 23:55:53] Redslash: Messing around on console tonight, I discovered that 1999-first isn't required for LSS, succeeded with 2300 first.... =P [2015-03-27 10:53:31] ElGranJerry: Kreygasm [2015-03-27 10:53:36] ElGranJerry: that's sweet [2015-03-27 11:02:15] Redslash: Yeah, means we made a huge assumption, lol... We probably did test it, but not on the magic pixel [2015-03-27 16:06:51] Redslash: Can't seem to replicate it though, interesting [2015-03-28 0:05:48] Redslash: I want early Wallet so bad... imagine getting it right after Heckran. Crono level 1, Marle 4, Lucca 7. And, so much easier to route... [2015-03-28 0:19:59] Redslash: I think a low% would be better and more fun without low-level being part of it. Then you could actually pick up less things than any% =P [2015-03-28 0:28:11] Redslash: Still minimize total Exp/TP/money collected, just disregard who gets it. Would be pretty unique, no berserker ha ha... [2015-03-28 11:19:39] Redslash: Already regretting this at DTank. Need at least the lodesword... no powerglove means de-equip is off the table X) [2015-03-28 11:23:53] Redslash: When Frog gets Masamune is prob the true chance to de-equip, with his 2nd weapon [2015-03-28 11:28:07] Puwexil: takes a rare RPG to have a low% category that's actually interesting to do and watch, vs. just a slower/grindier any% [2015-03-28 11:45:08] Redslash: Yeah, fights do take a bit longer... I'm trying to justify the Rolyrider fights since 25exp is nothing in the end, Nagaettes are awful otherwise... [2015-03-28 12:16:07 | Edited 12:16:15] Redslash: Maybe remove Exp constraint, just make it items. It'd also mean skipping fights that drop them~ [2015-03-28 12:17:36] Redslash: (i.e. everything in Tyrano Lair) [2015-03-28 14:38:00] Redslash: At Masa, only thing collected is Lodesword. You need that or Powerglove for the Tank since it'd be more than 1 midtonic to survive.... and I really should've chosen the glove [2015-03-28 14:50:07] Will: ah, sounds like my ds strats [2015-03-28 15:04:10] Redslash: Hehe, the Tank is hard, man... R-Series was a flametoss puzzle since they took an extra hit. If I used the glove, I'd have to bring Marle... I forgot the other option though, just leveling... =P [2015-03-28 15:49:22] DrunkenDraconian: with flea manipulation, what was the hp requirement again? 3rd character just has to have more hp than frog? [2015-03-28 15:49:40] Ottavino: yes [2015-03-28 15:55:42] DrunkenDraconian: and does wrong rng cause flea to "break out" or the hp? [2015-03-28 16:00:12] DrunkenDraconian: must have been my load [2015-03-28 16:00:33] Puwexil: has anyone tested if skipping the 2x nereid battle in the sewers is worth it? [2015-03-28 16:01:09] Ottavino: frog also need to be level 10, if you have extra battles before, frog is one level higher, does extra damage so flea strat isn't working [2015-03-28 16:01:35] Ottavino: the first battle in sewers? [2015-03-28 16:01:52] Puwexil: yeah, the only unavoidable one [2015-03-28 16:02:12] Puwexil: was wondering if it was worth my time to test/time skipping or if someone else already had [2015-03-28 16:02:16] Ottavino: i think it's slower to skip it with a fadeout trick, Red thinks it's faster :) [2015-03-28 16:03:10] Puwexil: wouldn't be by much if it was - would mostly just let you equip the swallow during the fadeout and postpone sheltering until the beast's nest [2015-03-28 16:03:57] Ottavino: yeah you can shelter in mt doe [2015-03-28 16:05:07] Puwexil: if you fight the nereids you need to swallow to kill both before they attack, and so far I've been doing that on the overworld so I can shelter in the same menu [2015-03-28 16:10:49] DrunkenDraconian: oh wow, so the fight i got into when frog wasn't in the party lvl'd him [2015-03-28 16:11:57] DrunkenDraconian: oh wait I see, marle lvl'd to 11 and that forced frog to 11 [2015-03-28 16:13:48] Ottavino: yeah, when frog quits the team after yakra, he is still considered as a character not in your party so he takes 75% exp of your battles [2015-03-28 16:17:11] Puwexil: so far, not counting any menuing differences I'm getting through the 1st sewers room about 5 sec faster by fighting the nereids instead of skipping [2015-03-28 16:17:29] Puwexil: mostly because of how slowly you move down the ladder while fade-outing [2015-03-28 16:20:19] ElGranJerry: it's faster to fight em, the closer I got was 2s difference [2015-03-28 16:20:29] ElGranJerry: then again my fadeouts are not that good [2015-03-28 16:20:31] Ottavino: me too [2015-03-28 16:20:47] ElGranJerry: shelter is not necessary until mt woe or whatever, so theres no menu there [2015-03-28 16:20:50] Puwexil: yeah, I fadeout very slowly on emulator because I'm not used to the lag [2015-03-28 16:21:04] Puwexil: so you fight the nereids without the swallow? [2015-03-28 16:21:13] Puwexil: I tried that once and almost died [2015-03-28 16:25:46] ElGranJerry: I can't remember honestly, I don't have my notes with me [2015-03-28 16:26:06] ElGranJerry: but shelter appears in the route before sewers niw, interesting [2015-03-28 16:26:09] ElGranJerry: I missed something then [2015-03-28 16:26:24] ElGranJerry: now* [2015-03-28 16:27:57] Ottavino: for any% no reload elixir glitch: i suggest to target with frog the middle instead of the left core, because if you take a little time to throw your elixir: with the middle targeted, frog gets 5mp absorbed, time warp, frog throws elixir; with the left core targeted, frog gets 5mp absorbed, hidden blow, death. [2015-03-28 16:28:26] Ottavino: it's 20f slower but way safer [2015-03-28 16:29:10] Ottavino: yeah just checked the route, i don't remember putting shelter with swallow, but indeed, it's faster [2015-03-28 16:47:19] Redslash: Oh, good catch Otta, I'll target middle then instead. I should check the mash load and see if it's a similar deal [2015-03-28 17:37:36] Redslash: I guess my question the other day was: for the race tomorrow, 5pm US-EST or Mexico-EST? [2015-03-28 17:52:59] Redslash: Er, I guess actual EST... Real question if Jack knows it =P [2015-03-28 17:54:04] Redslash: Oh he's on now, I can even ask in a bit [2015-03-29 12:07:58] Redslash: I won't be able to make the race anyway it seems =( Gonna try setting up at a friend's to play some anyhow, but yeah it'll be a bit later [2015-03-29 12:09:57] SnesWarrior: Nice, i'll have something to watch tonight while finishing up Kirby, woot. [2015-03-29 13:15:10] Ottavino: wow, i was in a practice run and when i went to 2nd melchior, i didn't have to speak to him twice, dialog started after the first A input [2015-03-29 13:21:48] DrunkenDraconian: so who is all racing? [2015-03-29 13:41:00] Will: hey guys, GL on the race, I'll be out and about. [2015-03-29 13:55:37] Ottavino: Jerry won't join [2015-03-29 13:59:09] Redslash: Actually I'm nearly set up... would just need a few more minutes [2015-03-29 14:04:12] DrunkenDraconian: I'm almost ready as well [2015-03-29 14:04:18] DrunkenDraconian: no Jerry Thump [2015-03-29 14:05:11] DrunkenDraconian: except livesplit ate my splits :( [2015-03-29 14:10:39] Ottavino: damn my capture card is gone :-( [2015-03-29 14:11:42] DrunkenDraconian: from this mortal coil? [2015-03-29 14:12:13] Ottavino: get a black screen [2015-03-29 14:12:32] Ottavino: it's a easycap at 10$ [2015-03-29 14:15:43] Ottavino: good luck to all racers [2015-03-29 14:16:11] DrunkenDraconian: am i missing it? where is this happening? [2015-03-29 14:17:46] Ottavino: my capture card doesn't work, so i will not join, i think only Red and you are available [2015-03-29 14:17:57] DrunkenDraconian: Kappa [2015-03-29 14:18:10] DrunkenDraconian: not fair [2015-03-29 14:20:15] Redslash: Hmm... X) [2015-03-29 14:21:05] DrunkenDraconian: Well I plan to do a run at some point tonight, race or not, no pressure here man [2015-03-29 14:21:22] DrunkenDraconian: no need to wipe the floor with me [2015-03-29 14:21:28] Redslash: Nice, same [2015-03-29 14:21:30] Redslash: Lol [2015-03-29 14:22:19] Redslash: Should we reschedule? Heh [2015-03-29 14:25:49] Redslash: I kinda did a rush job setting up and stuff, I could use some real prep time... then try some runs =) [2015-03-29 14:49:06] ElGranJerry: Guys I am at the airport still, they lost my luggage [2015-03-29 14:49:14] ElGranJerry: Sorry about that :/ [2015-03-29 14:49:30] Will: NP, hope alls going well for you [2015-03-29 14:50:10] ElGranJerry: Hopefully they find it soon [2015-03-29 14:50:10] ElGranJerry: i have no clothes but the ones I am wearing lmao [2015-03-29 14:50:28] ElGranJerry: Nice way to start holiday week [2015-03-29 14:51:31] Will: Awe man [2015-03-29 14:53:08] ElGranJerry: It's fine man. Things will turn out alright [2015-03-29 14:53:11] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-03-29 15:14:03] Redslash: Lol what, I caught Retinite, and the boss music started... but he burrowed back down and I was walking around with the music playing 0_o [2015-03-29 15:14:35] Redslash: Then he popped up in the same spot and the fight started without me having to go to him [2015-03-29 15:16:02] Redslash: Dang I'm mad I wasn't recording, what if that was Retinite skip, loool... [2015-03-29 15:20:38 | Edited 15:20:50] SnesWarrior: It'd be interesting to see if S/A somehow stored the fact that you trigger the battle on the next resurface, at the least [2015-03-29 18:15:11] Will: {{broken}}http://www.twitch.tv/technicallywill/c/6431175 [2015-03-29 18:16:29] Will: was messing around with changing characters during Melchior + Masamune cutscene [2015-03-29 18:16:53] Will: also, if you need to, you can menu during the fadeout [2015-03-29 18:17:40] Will: it's probably useless and probably saves not so many frames [2015-03-29 18:18:39] SnesWarrior: Oh haha, yeah I found that not too long ago, its pretty funny. Ottavino found out if you just swap marle in the other slot it saves 1 second, probably have to be fairly fast in the swap screen though [2015-03-29 18:19:56] SnesWarrior: We were going to try back-in-time glitch with other characters, trying to call weird dialogue, but i think that scene is uncompletable or something with back-in-time [2015-03-29 18:20:39] Will: cool, I figured someone messed around with it [2015-03-29 18:21:03] Will: maybe if there were other cutscenes where you could switch out characters [2015-03-29 18:21:55] Will: tried playing around magus' castle with S/A too. no luck [2015-03-29 19:44:32] ElGranJerry: Gg puwexil. Congrats!!! [2015-03-29 19:45:25] Puwexil: thanks :) [2015-03-29 19:46:06] Puwexil: guess it's finally time to learn to manipulate the guardia forest fights and naga-ettes [2015-03-29 19:46:29] ElGranJerry: It is time yup [2015-03-29 19:46:41] ElGranJerry: I wasnt able to watch much, but did the no silver stud/erng strat work as intended? [2015-03-29 19:47:02] Puwexil: yup - probably going to full ether instead of mid ether on BT next time, for a bit of extra safety [2015-03-29 19:47:37 | Edited 19:47:48] Puwexil: and ottavino said using napalms on giga gaia might be useful if I'm using 2 midethers- guessing to replace 1 falcon hit or something [2015-03-29 19:48:35] ElGranJerry: I guess it's so you dont need to use a 2nd midether there, replace the fh with napalms [2015-03-29 19:48:46] Puwexil: makes sense [2015-03-29 19:49:09] Puwexil: I'll have to time it and see if the extra animations make any difference [2015-03-29 19:49:51] Puwexil: I'll have to look back at the video, but I think I somehow ended up with enough MP on crono for golem twins without needing to mid-ether [2015-03-29 19:50:36] ElGranJerry: No mid ether during the elevair fight you mean? [2015-03-29 19:50:44] ElGranJerry: elevator [2015-03-29 19:50:47] Puwexil: yeah [2015-03-29 19:51:07] Puwexil: crono would have had 24 instead of 22 after the 6x scouter battle [2015-03-29 19:51:42] ElGranJerry: Thats pretty cool [2015-03-29 19:51:49] ElGranJerry: I will be watchig the vod tomorrow for sure [2015-03-29 23:26:40] Redslash: That's a great time, Puwexil, congrats. So cool to see 100% really heating up [2015-03-29 23:41:39] Redslash: After tonight, I decided I'll be focusing on JP, actually get a decent run there... But I do still really want a better US time. I don't like to make a division based just on version, but the reality is, with developments like EoT S/A now on both versions, US would dominate in a "No LSS" category... [2015-03-30 0:14:09] Redslash: I mean, I don't how we'd call them, but I'd be down with separate cats [2015-03-30 16:08:07] Will: dumb question, has anyone tried to S/A during the fadeout the cutscene when Melchior repairs masamune? [2015-03-30 16:11:57] SnesWarrior: Just restarts the cutscene i believe [2015-03-30 16:11:59] Will: *during the fadeout [2015-03-30 16:12:12] Will: whoops, should've put that in there [2015-03-30 16:12:17] Will: yeah? [2015-03-30 16:15:07] SnesWarrior: I think since it's a transition you never get to actually save at the actual end of the scene ending, and the game apparently doesn't know how to store being in the middle of a cutscene, at least in that area, so it just starts at the beggining =/ [2015-03-30 16:15:54] SnesWarrior: If you could somehow open the menu on fade-in, that'd be interesting, but normally you can only do that during lag frames in transitions [2015-03-30 16:17:02] SnesWarrior: actually thats not even a fade-in still either, technically a fadeout I guess [2015-03-30 16:19:58] SnesWarrior: I don't think anyone has tested it for the transition Jerry found though, as far as I know anyways. The menu glitch when entering the shell [2015-03-30 16:22:12 | Edited 16:22:36] Will: fade-in meaning black screen to normal screen? [2015-03-30 16:24:56] Will: {{broken}}http://www.twitch.tv/technicallywill/b/643371181?t=7m57s is this what you mean? [2015-03-30 16:25:37] SnesWarrior: Yeah but I dont think thats possible, I was thinking during a transition you might could when entering Lavos since I thought when loading it you'd end up starting the falling animation... but im not sure if im just thinking I tested that or if i actually tested it >< [2015-03-30 16:26:04] Will: gotcha [2015-03-30 16:27:39] SnesWarrior: Oh hmm, and that actually does "look" like you open the menu on fade-in, but I think thats just because doing a menu-glitch during a transition removes a lot of the black screen loading [2015-03-30 16:28:30] SnesWarrior: I encourage playing with it though, you can do a lot of weird things at Melchoir, spent awhile there for some reason [2015-03-30 16:29:04] SnesWarrior: I'm sure you've probably already found the goofy stuff that happens when you swap characters repeatedly during the actual forging cutscene =) [2015-03-30 16:31:46] Will: it's definitely a fun area to tinker around in. thanks! [2015-03-30 17:15:35] Redslash: Been rethinking the equipment on JP today, actually realized that de-equipping Marle & Ayla is pointless, lol... I give Frog the Goldsuit =) [2015-03-30 17:39:53] Redslash: Dang, maybe even Lucca... let's see what Tyrano says... [2015-03-30 17:51:52] Redslash: Even better I can probably cake skip now [2015-03-30 20:10:15] Will: oh yes, I wanted to ask about the setup for EoT S/A [2015-03-30 20:16:23] Redslash: Ok, well for the coordinate I found, when you double-tap at the bucket the 2nd tap has a nice 3-frame window: when Gaspar's text is completely gone, and the 2 frames before. To get this coordinate... [2015-03-30 20:19:16] Redslash: It's wiggling into the corner while walking. So wiggle, then run to the wall and back, wiggle (make sure you let go of run first) again [2015-03-30 20:20:52] Redslash: (And the "pause buffer" is so your running will be both up+right every frame, and both down+left every frame) [2015-03-30 20:25:14] Redslash: Btw, US-only setup =P [2015-03-30 21:18:12] Redslash: rip cake skip, it's impossible [2015-03-30 21:21:35] ElGranJerry: why would you skip cake DansGame [2015-03-30 21:21:45 | Edited 21:27:29] ElGranJerry: Crono is so skinny without that cake he is RIP [2015-03-30 21:38:56] Redslash: Lmao... true that [2015-03-30 21:41:17] Redslash: Can't even take a lil dino electricity [2015-03-30 21:44:34] Redslash: No-D/E Lucca is a go though, Tyrano's just a bit tricky~ [2015-03-30 21:45:21 | Edited 21:45:31] Redslash: So only Robo takes his armor off now, sorry folks Kappa [2015-03-31 16:20:58] DrunkenDraconian: anyone notice that you can buffer the run inputs (L+R) long before a battle starts but not x for attack? wonder why that is [2015-03-31 16:30:30] Ottavino: red, have you the value of the coordinate for EoT S/A? [2015-03-31 17:01:55] Redslash: Let's see... X positions (for all 3 members) are 18F0 1A10 1BF0, and Y positions 1369 1249 1069 [2015-03-31 17:03:51] Redslash: I was wrong about simply walking the 2nd time, you have to let go of run and walk down,left,down... left,down only isn't it =P [2015-03-31 17:22:52] Ottavino: thanks! [2015-03-31 21:35:19] Puwexil: how tight is the window for the mashing load during the yakra skip, for setting up dragon tank? [2015-03-31 21:35:35] Puwexil: I tried to do it in my run last weekend, but was off before I even got through truce canyon [2015-03-31 21:40:53] ElGranJerry: First 6 frames [2015-03-31 21:42:11] Puwexil: weird - looking at the video it was probably 2nd or 3rd frame [2015-03-31 21:45:27] Puwexil: do you know what it means if lucca gets attacked in the truce canyon battle instead of crono? [2015-03-31 21:47:41] ElGranJerry: late load [2015-03-31 21:47:51] ElGranJerry: iirc [2015-03-31 21:49:51] Redslash: Shoot, yeah if you get 1st or 2nd frame, she gets attacked, I did not catch that [2015-03-31 21:50:25] ElGranJerry: oh damn, but it still worked with those frames right? [2015-03-31 21:50:29] Redslash: That check isn't needed unless you think you were really late, should delete =/ [2015-03-31 21:51:55] Puwexil: so getting attacked in the imp/rolly fight set up the 57 on the prison guard? [2015-03-31 21:56:40] Redslash: Hmm, getting attacked doesn't change anything... [2015-03-31 22:02:21] Puwexil: I got attacked twice, if that matters [2015-03-31 22:02:42] Puwexil: must have exited the menu a few frames too early or something [2015-03-31 22:04:58] Redslash: If Lucca got hit by the first attack, wouldn't matter. But if Crono got hit 1st, then yes, actually... [2015-03-31 22:05:41] Puwexil: I don't really see anything wrong in the video, but when I exited the menu, both enemies attacked before I ran [2015-03-31 22:06:16] Redslash: Crono hit first? [2015-03-31 22:06:29] Puwexil: lucca, then crono [2015-03-31 22:07:24] Puwexil: http://www.twitch.tv/puwexil/v/3965445?t=18m25s [2015-03-31 22:12:40] Redslash: Was damage on Crono 14? 12 would mean late. Sorry I can't watch =X [2015-03-31 22:13:10] Puwexil: it was 5 on lucca then 12 on crono [2015-03-31 22:13:21] Puwexil: was definitely 2nd or 3rd frame load though - no way it was over 6 [2015-03-31 22:14:00] Puwexil: so sounds to me like the load was good, but the canyon battle messed it up [2015-03-31 22:21:42] Redslash: Gah, 12 can appear in the good window, that's weird [2015-03-31 22:23:22] Redslash: So, not sure really... I can look tomorrow though [2015-03-31 22:30:59] Puwexil: getting attacked twice in that fight probably isn't something I should be allowing to happen anyway [2015-03-31 22:35:37] Redslash: Yeah, don't do the check, it's old and bad =) But it'd take like 7 attacks to throw you off there... normally [2015-03-31 22:46:56] ElGranJerry: 2 are before the title screen even appears then when the screen appear its 4 frames there [2015-03-31 22:48:08] Puwexil: yea, I've thought of a load where the save screen never appears as a '1st frame load' [2015-04-01 8:56:58] DrunkenDraconian: I've been working on retinite for a bit, not 100% sure, but it looks like if you kill him early, if you let 2 attacks in at the truce canyon fight you can skip reloading for shell [2015-04-01 12:14:21 | Edited 12:14:59] Redslash: Ah yeah DD, you're right. And actually if you put Robo in Marle's spot instead of Ayla's after Retinite (keep Ayla in), beating the fight is faster than running~ [2015-04-01 12:16:37] DrunkenDraconian: i always wanted to kill those dicks lol [2015-04-01 12:21:49] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, not once in 15 times playing retinite did i get an ending value of E3+, it was always earlier [2015-04-01 12:23:02] Redslash: Ah wow. Ever earlier than E1? [2015-04-01 12:23:26] DrunkenDraconian: i don't think so, it was almost always E1 [2015-04-01 12:24:27] DrunkenDraconian: the atb never lined up to have ayla and crono at the same time to get the jump [2015-04-01 12:25:00] Redslash: Cool, cool. Cuz E0 you couldn't recover from. And E1 means Crono doesn't crit =) [2015-04-01 12:26:02] DrunkenDraconian: I wasn't going to fret over it though, beating retinite the first time will cut 15 min on my PB lol [2015-04-01 12:27:21] DrunkenDraconian: I'll get E0 when I'm -10 [2015-04-01 12:27:21] Redslash: Hehe, awesome. [2015-04-01 12:28:38] Redslash: Oh jeez. Hm, maybe I'll see how possible it is [2015-04-01 12:28:57] DrunkenDraconian: i was thinking of paying attention to the dmg rolls in truce canyon fight as a guage of whether to reload [2015-04-01 12:31:17] Redslash: Oh yeah, that might work [2015-04-01 12:32:32] DrunkenDraconian: is there still a copy of your crit table pic online anywhere? [2015-04-01 12:33:26] Redslash: Linked on rng notes http://imgur.com/bCwAGHG [2015-04-01 12:33:51] DrunkenDraconian: wow, ypu blind [2015-04-01 12:35:46] Redslash: Btw I guess I was wrong about Ayla's rate being higher... unless it does increase at certain levels... might be why so many "Fist" items exist in the game [2015-04-01 12:42:04] Ottavino: Yes, ayla crit rate is 20% at lvl 18-23, 25% at lvl 24-47 and 30% at lvl 48-71 ( http://chrono.wikia.com/wiki/Ayla ) [2015-04-01 12:44:18] Redslash: Oh, nice! I was just looking up how many there are, I think items 44,45,46 are Fist [2015-04-01 12:46:01] Ottavino: For retinite top phase, I wait each time for chrono and ayla atb up (it allows to input cat attack during spincut animation) [2015-04-01 12:46:53] Ottavino: Be sure that ayla target the top instead of the core during the last spincut and you will get F5 [2015-04-01 12:48:27] Redslash: "Exclusive to the DS release"? Heh... [2015-04-01 12:49:01] DrunkenDraconian: ok that makes sense ottavino, i'll try that next practice session [2015-04-01 12:51:09] Ottavino: In the 3rd battle in sunken desert, if ayla targets not the default enemy you will end at 3b: you can save time in the 4th battle by replacing the second cat attack by a ayla critical [2015-04-01 12:53:24] Redslash: Whoa! 4th fight gets even better. I need to try this... [2015-04-01 12:53:55] SnesWarrior: That's awesome [2015-04-01 12:57:20] Ottavino: On https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Trigger_FAQ.html it doesn't seem to be only ds version... We need to check this! :-) [2015-04-01 13:00:41] Ottavino: Too bad we can't replace another ayla tech by a another crit; if it'd be possible, no need to mid ether ayla before retinite [2015-04-01 13:04:36] DrunkenDraconian: that'd be nice [2015-04-01 13:05:17] DrunkenDraconian: so in the 4th battle i need to attack with marle to have crono hit his spincut after the crit right? it' [2015-04-01 13:05:20] DrunkenDraconian: it' [2015-04-01 13:05:29] DrunkenDraconian: it's the only way i can get it to work [2015-04-01 13:06:38] ElGranJerry: If you cat attack fast you can then cat attack right enemy then spincut [2015-04-01 13:06:49] ElGranJerry: Or have marle miss yup [2015-04-01 13:08:15] DrunkenDraconian: i'm trying ottavino's new strat, the window seems small for the x input [2015-04-01 13:09:29] ElGranJerry: Ah kk [2015-04-01 13:09:29] Ottavino: Marle attack to get chrono spincut hit is the safe strat, like jerry said, if you input the first cat attack very quickly, enemys take a different pattern and you have time to crit with ayla before getting hit [2015-04-01 13:10:06] DrunkenDraconian: yeah just pulled it off, that is tight though [2015-04-01 13:10:43] DrunkenDraconian: i was x targeting default [2015-04-01 13:10:55] DrunkenDraconian: xrx makes it very tight [2015-04-01 13:12:53 | Edited 13:13:46] Ottavino: Quickly cat attack, then ayla crit and chrono spincut (make sure you target the other enemy with chrono spincut or it will miss iirc) [2015-04-01 13:15:03] DrunkenDraconian: ohhhh it works like that [2015-04-01 13:15:53] DrunkenDraconian: gotchya [2015-04-01 13:16:11] DrunkenDraconian: change targets is the key [2015-04-01 13:17:01] Ottavino: :-) [2015-04-01 13:17:08] Redslash: Oh I didn't realize that either [2015-04-01 13:17:38] DrunkenDraconian: yeah that shaves some frames for sure [2015-04-01 13:18:10] DrunkenDraconian: skipping midether would be amazing [2015-04-01 13:18:32] DrunkenDraconian: i always forget it, luckily marle is idle to use one [2015-04-01 13:21:30] Redslash: There's gotta be a way, heh.... [2015-04-01 13:23:07] SnesWarrior: Mid Ether Ayla during BT? lol...maybe not [2015-04-01 13:24:13] SnesWarrior: Crono has an extra turn sometimes, but I'm not sure if it would save time.. it would definitely make the fight a little riskier too [2015-04-01 13:25:37] Redslash: Shelter before Desert ; ) [2015-04-01 13:25:46] SnesWarrior: oh.. duh [2015-04-01 13:26:11] SnesWarrior: kk ill be quiet and go back to kirby now P: [2015-04-01 13:26:13] SnesWarrior: rofl [2015-04-01 13:27:03] Redslash: But, if Ayla got just 70 more exp before Desert somehow, her max MP (44 instead of 42) would be just about enough, hah [2015-04-01 13:27:26] SnesWarrior: Can't Marle just use one in the 4th battle? [2015-04-01 13:28:49] DrunkenDraconian: yeah it's in the menu before retinita [2015-04-01 13:29:33] DrunkenDraconian: but it means less time in the menu and not picking up one (prob dactyl's nest or magus castle) [2015-04-01 13:31:31] Redslash: Huh, I think I skip a Midether just by using an Ether in the Shell fights, I don't get the Dactyl Nest one... [2015-04-01 13:32:04] SnesWarrior: I use a Ret strat where you only have to menu before Ret to use that Mid Ether so it might actually save me some time to use it in the 4th fight instead I guess? [2015-04-01 13:32:31] DrunkenDraconian: i'm sure there are some crits to abuse in retinite too ^_^ [2015-04-01 13:33:09] Redslash: Or, oh! I was looking at getting Dactyl Nest instead of 1 of the Fiona Midethers, those texts take a while to clear [2015-04-01 13:33:10 | Edited 13:33:43] SnesWarrior: But my strat saves time from the Item command being on Revive from BT already -_- [2015-04-01 13:34:22] Ottavino: Has marle enough time to mid tonic herself after the two ices in retinite? [2015-04-01 13:34:44] SnesWarrior: Probably [2015-04-01 13:35:17] Redslash: Yeah she has time, sometimes I just have her Midtonic Crono =P [2015-04-01 13:36:18] SnesWarrior: I just like to let her nap for awhile, its tough being a princess ;> [2015-04-01 13:36:57 | Edited 13:37:09] Ottavino: So marle can ether ayla in the 4th fight then mid tonic herself in refinite, and no menu needed, right? [2015-04-01 13:38:26] SnesWarrior: Sounds like it would work. Do you think the Mid Tonic would be faster than the revive though? I feel like I save a little time just because of cutting out an input for getting off of Marle's menu [2015-04-01 13:38:29] SnesWarrior: Maybe not enough though [2015-04-01 13:39:51] Redslash: Oh... I fadeout the Retinite appearing scene anyway, lol [2015-04-01 13:40:08] SnesWarrior: pfffff [2015-04-01 13:40:08] Ottavino: It's risky because you need to fight retinite at his first appearance or chrono wouldn't have enough HP to survive [2015-04-01 13:40:08] SnesWarrior: GG [2015-04-01 13:40:10] Redslash: No menu skip for me X) [2015-04-01 13:41:05] SnesWarrior: Ah true. [2015-04-01 13:42:36] SnesWarrior: How many spots can he pop up in, is it 4 or 5? [2015-04-01 13:44:10] SnesWarrior: If it's 4 and he has the same % to appear in each spot then it's a 50/50 chance, im down with that [2015-04-01 13:47:32 | Edited 13:48:47] Ottavino: I didn't check each frame (retinite spawn is defined on the frame you enter his room), but with all my tries I rarely see him appear at the top left place [2015-04-01 13:55:20] Redslash: I like to wait against the middle of the left side of the island, seem able to reach all 4 spots ok from there [2015-04-01 13:58:45] Redslash: That thing where you see his sprite wrap around to the top of the screen even though he's at bottom, that's annoying tho [2015-04-01 13:59:23] SnesWarrior: Oh really? I dont think I ever tested the two on the right, but i did notice you could get to the left 2 from the middle-left [2015-04-01 13:59:42] SnesWarrior: Pretty awesome, I assume you gotta figure out where the sand zips you and take advantage of that [2015-04-01 14:00:34] SnesWarrior: Also the thing where you run into Retinite and it speeds up his animation and doesn't trigger the battle.... dont really know how that keeps happening [2015-04-01 14:02:19] Redslash: Yeah I kinda wiggle around at the edge of him, don't actually want to touch him I think [2015-04-01 14:05:23] Redslash: Still need to find out how it was that I triggered the fight but he burrowed again... [2015-04-01 14:10:05] SnesWarrior: Did you get to him like last second? Sounds like you sped up his burrowing animation and triggered the fight simultaneously. [2015-04-01 14:11:48] Redslash: No idea, I wish I was paying more attention, lol... didn't even try to off-screen him [2015-04-01 14:14:22] SnesWarrior: I'm thinking you somehow sped him up a ton, because I've actually had the battle music trigger, but he just resurfaced in the same spot (unless it was just chance that he picked the same spot twice?). [2015-04-01 14:15:11] Redslash: Oh, could've been chance, I didn't consider it [2015-04-01 14:15:37] Redslash: I could definitely move around the room with the music though, it took him a while [2015-04-01 14:17:35] Redslash: If he could be skipped on JP... oh baby [2015-04-01 14:18:01] SnesWarrior: Yeah that didn't happen in mine, I was locked in place untill he popped up again, but he was only underground for like 2s.... thats pretty cool though. Sounds kind of similar to other spots where you can regain control [2015-04-01 14:21:05] Redslash: Just hoping the fight will start without the camera panning over, if I know anything about boss skips [2015-04-01 14:30:45] SnesWarrior: Would it be super hard to pinpoint exactly where the trigger is for Fiona recognizing that you beat Retinite? It'd be a pretty good sign if it was just the fact that you initiated the battle (AKA battle music) instead of actually having to kill him [2015-04-01 14:56:49] DrunkenDraconian: silence then retinite skip??? [2015-04-01 15:01:16] Redslash: Lol, once I can reproduce that thing, I guess we'll know right away [2015-04-01 15:02:22] DrunkenDraconian: yeah it happened to me 3 times earlier, can't do it now [2015-04-01 15:02:44] DrunkenDraconian: it was top right for at least 2 of the if that helps [2015-04-01 15:03:59] Redslash: Oh dang, the one I had was lower left [2015-04-01 15:07:02] Redslash: Whoa, sleeping at Dorino Inn gives you a Power Meal? ... Now that's an item to experiment with [2015-04-01 15:08:10] DrunkenDraconian: can it be used instead of elixir? [2015-04-01 15:08:12] Redslash: (Hm, does it though? Lol) [2015-04-01 15:08:42] Redslash: It's "random" HP/MP, apparently.... [2015-04-01 15:10:37] Redslash: Could really be like Wondershot-random =P I've never really used them before. Got healed 1hp and decided it was just a joke item (stole it from Dalton) [2015-04-01 15:38:54] Redslash: Oh Marle has to be in your team to get one, neato [2015-04-01 15:44:02] Redslash: Chance to recover full HP, must be like elixir... but you can't use it in battle lmao [2015-04-01 16:07:34] Redslash: Maybe I did push Retinite... I'm always careful with upper right spawn but not really the others [2015-04-01 16:27:53] Redslash: Sorry for spam but the JP name for Hexapod just caught my attention (I don't fight any): Lalacargot... Lala like Lucca's mom? Why... [2015-04-01 16:28:13] Ottavino: lol [2015-04-01 16:29:24] Redslash: Well I guess it's another hint, hah [2015-04-01 16:30:00] Ottavino: does cargot mean something in japanse? [2015-04-01 16:32:00] Redslash: Pretty certain they were just going for escargot =) [2015-04-01 16:35:51] Puwexil: Rarakarugo sounds kind of like a la carte to me [2015-04-01 16:40:21] Redslash: Feel like there must be some meaning behind "Lala"... well, I guess "La" does mean "fire" and all... [2015-04-01 16:50:29] Redslash: I can't even find a place to push on lower-left Retinite [2015-04-01 16:51:34] DrunkenDraconian: hmm, i feel that the trigger is in the textboxes saying "fiona will be happy" [2015-04-01 16:54:21] Redslash: But I bet we could get those though, if the fight would engage offscreen [2015-04-01 16:55:26] DrunkenDraconian: break it dude, I Believe [2015-04-01 16:56:23] DrunkenDraconian: it'll be all the rage(quit) [2015-04-01 16:56:50] DrunkenDraconian: pixel accurate walking in a room full of coveyores [2015-04-01 16:57:14 | Edited 16:57:24] Redslash: Lol... I might need to figure out first why hitbox viewer doesn't work in the Desert, then I'll get more insight [2015-04-01 16:59:12 | Edited 17:00:22] Redslash: Lower-right spawn's trigger is huge, like 3 tiles to his left, I never realized before [2015-04-01 17:00:33] Redslash: *lower-right, whoops [2015-04-01 17:02:00] DrunkenDraconian: yeah i noticed, i felt like i was getting close on hte upper right. if you place youself at the top of the island walk sort of place yourself to sort of allign with ret's middle, you can run up and speed him up, i just cant trigger it at the same time [2015-04-01 17:02:16] DrunkenDraconian: you can even press up and tap b and keep a steady position [2015-04-01 17:02:57] DrunkenDraconian: -one sort of lol [2015-04-01 17:08:31] Redslash: I tried top-right for a bit too... maybe it wasn't a push after all, but I guess I haven't tried every pixel =P [2015-04-01 17:09:18] Redslash: Maybe the fadeout has some effect too... it kinda bugs out a little but I'm not sure what happens exactly [2015-04-01 17:10:53] Redslash: Like sometimes, reentering the room he'll be above ground already.. I think it messes with his timing some.. [2015-04-01 17:13:17] DrunkenDraconian: ok yeah, maybe it tied to the sound playing? which bugs out whn you fadeout first trigger sometimes [2015-04-01 17:16:33] DrunkenDraconian: would be a neat work in programming-wise, if sound plays, reduce party hp spawn retinite at random spot [2015-04-01 17:29:49] Redslash: Seems almost possible to trigger him then open Fullether chest, lol... I doubt I did that [2015-04-01 17:31:06] Redslash: You can get battle music then swap chars, but doesn't seem useful [2015-04-01 17:32:43] DrunkenDraconian: just to be clear, we are talking about trying to get the music to change to battle and still be able to walk around right? [2015-04-01 17:33:54] Redslash: Yup [2015-04-01 17:33:56] DrunkenDraconian: when I had that happen I had to completely retrigger the fight as I remember [2015-04-01 17:34:00] ElGranJerry: save anywhere Retinite? Kreygasm [2015-04-01 17:34:48] Redslash: Lol, hmm... [2015-04-01 17:35:31] DrunkenDraconian: but trying to reproduce it it feels like a rare state to get lol [2015-04-01 17:35:31] Redslash: You actually got the music to play? I'm pretty sure the fight triggered without me being near him, when he popped up again [2015-04-01 17:35:49] Redslash: But heck, I suppose I could be wrong [2015-04-01 17:35:58] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I was salty, thought I was being trolled [2015-04-01 17:36:23] DrunkenDraconian: wait was that my pb? [2015-04-01 17:37:24] Redslash: Lol yeah btw April Fools! =D [2015-04-01 17:38:46] Redslash: ... Just kidding though, serious business [2015-04-01 17:38:55] DrunkenDraconian: PJsalt?? [2015-04-01 17:40:24] Redslash: It'd be amazing to find a big skip or something today, no one would believe it X) [2015-04-01 17:40:43] Redslash: Better at least work on English LSS tonight [2015-04-01 17:40:51] DrunkenDraconian: "what is real anymore" - my inner self [2015-04-01 17:46:32] Redslash: Was that Nintendo stuff today real? Like, do they announce real stuff on Apr 1 as a joke? I'm kinda out of touch [2015-04-01 17:49:18] SnesWarrior: It was real, they just picked a really weird date to do it lol [2015-04-01 17:50:30] SnesWarrior: They added a poll for who the next character in smash would be, you actually get to pick w/e character you want at smashbros.com [2015-04-01 17:50:55] SnesWarrior: Probably the only thing I thought was cool. the new Yoshi game looks alright though [2015-04-01 17:52:34] Redslash: Let's get Frog in, Smash needs more green guy with sword [2015-04-01 17:53:19] SnesWarrior: lol I wish, I'd love Geno to get in, but Sqaure is mean [2015-04-01 17:53:53] Redslash: Yeah, I'd go with Geno as well [2015-04-01 17:55:33] SnesWarrior: I mean, people have talked about that since 64 version lol. I'm pretty sure its gonna be the #1 spot, so either Nintendo will have to bribe Square or choice #2 [2015-04-01 17:55:54] Puwexil: go gato or go home [2015-04-01 17:56:03] SnesWarrior: rofl [2015-04-01 17:56:29] SnesWarrior: He would be too OP man, he's like King DeDeDe and Jigglypuff rolled into one [2015-04-01 17:56:34] SnesWarrior: The ultimate combo [2015-04-01 18:29:38] Redslash: Yo I did it! ...The camera pans! [2015-04-01 18:30:06] Redslash: I escaped with the music playing but it's no good! Dang dude [2015-04-01 18:30:50] Redslash: I literally ran straight down, from the spot I mentioned. Just took good timing [2015-04-01 18:33:27] DrunkenDraconian: shoot [2015-04-01 18:33:40] SnesWarrior: :( [2015-04-01 18:36:59] DrunkenDraconian: tried SA after getting it? Kappa [2015-04-01 18:37:23] Redslash: Yeah I did X) [2015-04-01 18:39:06] Redslash: What else to try, hmm... [2015-04-01 18:40:36] SnesWarrior: Does it keep the battle music when resetting? [2015-04-01 18:42:53] DrunkenDraconian: yeah just kind of got it, but ran back down at it started [2015-04-01 18:43:57] SnesWarrior: Mk so he triggers easy, I guess you couldnt rebump into and speed him up without the fight starting [2015-04-01 18:44:39] Redslash: Nah, doesn't keep the music. I'll put an SMV up in a little bit [2015-04-01 18:45:12] Redslash: Er, it's on J though, lol... [2015-04-01 18:48:29] Redslash: 4-frame window to run, ha ha... I dunno, seems like a start [2015-04-01 18:56:36] DrunkenDraconian: maybe it's a coincidence, but i just got it twice and both times the screenwrap felt like a part of it [2015-04-01 18:58:52] Redslash: Oh, maybe it could make a cue. The screenwrap is really weird, anything else in the game that does that..? [2015-04-01 18:59:17] DrunkenDraconian: nizbel 2 during fadeout [2015-04-01 18:59:44] DrunkenDraconian: the sprite even sometimes gets distorted and looks like static [2015-04-01 19:00:20] Redslash: Huh I've never noticed a wrap, just the "static"... guess it's a large sprite issue [2015-04-01 19:01:19] DrunkenDraconian: from top to bottom on left side (the one i'm trying atm) [2015-04-01 19:01:42] DrunkenDraconian: when he spawns wiggle up and down [2015-04-01 19:02:17] DrunkenDraconian: hahah it pulls me to the battle from a far distance now, maybe..... [2015-04-01 19:03:55] Redslash: Actually the 1st time, I ran at him tapping B a bunch, lol. Maybe it does help [2015-04-01 19:04:44] DrunkenDraconian: i think as long as you hit the long stride as you trigger it you have a chance to scroll the screen [2015-04-01 19:05:14] DrunkenDraconian: it's almost like having his heel on the trigger and gets his toes just far enough to scroll [2015-04-01 19:06:22] Redslash: Hmm, ok I get what you're doing. But the camera still pans to him after, right? [2015-04-01 19:06:53] DrunkenDraconian: it starts to but gets inerupted [2015-04-01 19:07:14] Redslash: Pans back to the boss, rather [2015-04-01 19:07:25] DrunkenDraconian: and then when he spawn lower left he can pull me into the battle from the top of the staris on hte island [2015-04-01 19:07:40] DrunkenDraconian: i can move freely with battle music [2015-04-01 19:08:00] Redslash: Ah ok it's the same [2015-04-01 19:08:25] Redslash: Yeah, hmm... that camera pan is so bad... [2015-04-01 19:09:13] Redslash: I checked that all 4 spawn points have the pan, just in case =P [2015-04-01 19:09:31] DrunkenDraconian: oh man, if this ever does work it will be worse that Aghanim blue balls [2015-04-01 19:09:40] DrunkenDraconian: than* [2015-04-01 19:10:12] Redslash: Nah dude, we'll get the setup for sure [2015-04-01 19:11:48] Redslash: Just has to be possible first X) [2015-04-01 19:12:42] DrunkenDraconian: holy, [2015-04-01 19:13:07] DrunkenDraconian: once the spot you triggered spawns a retinite again it will pull you from anywhere in thge room [2015-04-01 19:13:47] Redslash: Yeah man [2015-04-01 19:13:57] DrunkenDraconian: but to 10% of the time [2015-04-01 19:13:58] Redslash: I don't see a way around it, lol [2015-04-01 19:14:03] DrunkenDraconian: not 100%* [2015-04-01 19:14:11] Redslash: Oh? [2015-04-01 19:15:09] Redslash: Oh huh, I think the spawn sequence is predetermined, I've only seen him respawn at the original spot immediately [2015-04-01 19:15:24] DrunkenDraconian: if you scroll him off screen as he rises from the spot it doesn't trigger [2015-04-01 19:15:24] Redslash: Guess you're getting other spawn in between then? [2015-04-01 19:15:33] Redslash: Ohhh [2015-04-01 19:17:03] Redslash: Hmmm... [2015-04-01 19:17:37] DrunkenDraconian: wait, maybe wrong savestate.. [2015-04-01 19:18:07] Redslash: Were you using the low-left spawn too? Or top-left? [2015-04-01 19:18:16] DrunkenDraconian: low left yeah [2015-04-01 19:20:03] DrunkenDraconian: can we trigger 2 at once? [2015-04-01 19:20:27] DrunkenDraconian: wait.. hah going too deep [2015-04-01 19:20:51] Redslash: Haven't tried any other spawns yet.... but maybe [2015-04-01 19:21:07] DrunkenDraconian: have to glitch all 4 to skip lol [2015-04-01 19:22:01 | Edited 19:22:08] Redslash: Lol! ...Would 2 confuse the camera enough? [2015-04-01 19:24:05] Redslash: But ok, getting 2 lined up is blue balls territory [2015-04-01 19:27:30] DrunkenDraconian: yeah i can seem to find anyway to regain control after the battle starts [2015-04-01 19:27:53] DrunkenDraconian: btw, boss battle music at 25% sounds like doom soundtrack [2015-04-01 19:30:02] Redslash: The Desert track on low was sounding pretty eerie to me too [2015-04-01 20:28:58] Redslash: So hm, Ayla upgrades from 20% to 25% on the Ocean Palace elevator [2015-04-01 22:05:31] SnesWarrior: dang, Kilaye does it again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5p0BBDDs5o [2015-04-01 22:06:45] ElGranJerry: wow [2015-04-02 1:07:47] Will: he had some really good twitch broadcasts going super deep into detail about it [2015-04-02 14:50:26 | Edited 15:16:09] Ottavino: i tried the EoT S/A on VC butno success, have you made a .smv file Red? [2015-04-02 15:25:20] Redslash: I'll make one real quick [2015-04-02 15:54:58] Redslash: Sorry wow... the coordinate I posted is correct but I got mixed up about walking vs running [2015-04-02 16:02:11] Redslash: So I guess walk the first time at the bucket (be sure to get 18F0 not 1900), then you can run left when you return [2015-04-02 16:02:19] Redslash: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a0jqkgac8mszq3/EoT-SA%20%28U%29.smv?dl=0 [2015-04-02 16:27:43] Ottavino: thanks Red, it works on vc! [2015-04-02 16:27:50] Ottavino: pfiu, what a fun trick [2015-04-02 16:38:34] Redslash: Awesome! Yeah, it's amazing there's lucky coordinates for these [2015-04-02 16:38:43] DrunkenDraconian: it is cool, just got it on 75% speed, now for real time [2015-04-02 16:39:02] DrunkenDraconian: how accurate is the positioning? seems like there is some room [2015-04-02 16:42:30] Redslash: That one in particular has good chances. There are others of course, but it would go ahead and be harder to land on them consistently [2015-04-02 16:43:08] DrunkenDraconian: it's just training wheels for LSS anyways [2015-04-02 16:47:26] DrunkenDraconian: that's not very hard actually [2015-04-02 16:49:07] Redslash: It's pretty ok, right? Just a bit funny looking X) [2015-04-02 16:49:43] DrunkenDraconian: might as well go for it, saves time if you hit it, costs like 20 sec if you miss [2015-04-02 16:49:47] DrunkenDraconian: +swag [2015-04-02 16:50:04] Redslash: Aww yeah [2015-04-02 16:50:40] DrunkenDraconian: it's a bit tougher if the bucket is 2nd but still doable [2015-04-02 16:58:18] DrunkenDraconian: how big is the window to open the menu and preserve the textbox? i keep hitting it early in the first few frames it closes [2015-04-02 17:02:16] Ottavino: if i see i'm too early, i just go back, it keeps the textbox opened, and I retry [2015-04-02 17:02:36] Ottavino: just got it 10 times in a row, this setup is awesome [2015-04-02 17:05:02] DrunkenDraconian: oh nice yeah [2015-04-02 17:09:07] Ottavino: i think you can now give the tabs during captain skip [2015-04-02 17:09:47] DrunkenDraconian: or de equip menu [2015-04-02 17:11:28] Ottavino: if you do this at de equip menu, the problem is the first sale, the hide cap and armor are lost in the inventory [2015-04-02 17:20:33] DrunkenDraconian: yeah I see, that organize is very needed [2015-04-02 17:25:33] Redslash: That's a good place to use tabs, yeah [2015-04-02 17:32:07] Ottavino: we need to check if doing EoT S/A before -65M saves time in the forest maze, but i don't think so [2015-04-02 17:37:55] Redslash: Ooh... that's interesting too, since you just need a mash load [2015-04-02 17:38:41] DrunkenDraconian: is there something similar to tata skip in the maze? [2015-04-02 17:39:11] Redslash: I'll check it out, my impression was that "65,000,000 B.C." was too many frames for it to work, but maybe it works with the heal bucket [2015-04-02 17:40:11] Redslash: Yeah, there's one that just barely fits you over onto the next level, you don't even go beneath it =) [2015-04-02 17:41:12] Ottavino: oh yeah i didn't think of that, you come from medina and you go to -65m so the setup will be different [2015-04-02 17:46:45] Ottavino: i won't save time, forest maze skip with S/A is only 6-7 sec faster [2015-04-02 17:47:52] Ottavino: if you want to see this skip: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7-saCrIdAUwSDZFVUVNbTVtY2s&authuser=0 [2015-04-02 17:54:40] DrunkenDraconian: neato [2015-04-02 18:54:35] Redslash: Got a JP run scheduled tomorrow night, gonna try the new stuff [2015-04-02 18:55:25] Redslash: Ahh the shop is so funny... I sell a Hidecap, and that's it [2015-04-02 21:33:18] Puwexil: is the window to hit all 3 naga-ettes with fire whirl really tight, or am I just getting wrecked by emu lag? [2015-04-02 21:33:31] Puwexil: having a lot of issues with the rightmost one being out of range [2015-04-02 21:34:14] ElGranJerry: it's not that tight, never had any issues myself [2015-04-02 21:34:40] ElGranJerry: if you are too slow you will get hit but you can still get the Fwhirl [2015-04-02 21:40:33] Puwexil: maybe it's just bizhawk being bad for CT again [2015-04-02 21:41:05] Puwexil: I have to be super late to get hit, but missing lucca's ATB filling by any time at all is keeping me from hitting all 3 [2015-04-02 21:41:52] ElGranJerry: ah, interesting [2015-04-02 21:42:23] ElGranJerry: idk if it applies here, but in VC if you don't run straight forward and mash A (aka get a bad position on getting the crest) the fight goes bad [2015-04-02 21:42:38] ElGranJerry: but idk about bhawk :/ [2015-04-02 21:43:16] Puwexil: I only use it because it has named states and a bit less input lag on my PC than 9x [2015-04-02 21:43:44] ElGranJerry: named states are cool [2015-04-02 21:43:49] ElGranJerry: I wish 9x had that [2015-04-02 21:44:03] Puwexil: the elixir glitch doesn't work on bizhawk either [2015-04-02 21:44:08] Puwexil: at least not on mammon machine [2015-04-02 21:44:46] ElGranJerry: :/ that sucks [2015-04-02 21:47:32] Redslash: Tried it with BS2 and stuff? [2015-04-02 21:55:31] Puwexil: getting it a lot more often if I start from a state outside the cathedral and hold up+b as I enter, compared to loading one already inside (though not having moved) [2015-04-02 21:55:47] Puwexil: if it's supposed to be easy I'm sure it will be when I do it on console [2015-04-02 21:57:05] Redslash: Oh sorry, for Mammon elixir [2015-04-02 21:57:26] Redslash: Yeah that's really weird about the Naga-ettes... [2015-04-02 21:57:39] Puwexil: ottavino tested it and said it's frame perfect based on when you close queen zeal's text [2015-04-02 22:00:19] Redslash: Dang, I recall now. So strange [2015-04-02 22:00:37] Puwexil: no biggie - I've been practicing that part either on 9x or console [2015-04-03 13:32:26] Redslash: How'd the run go, DD? =0 [2015-04-03 13:32:53] Redslash: Something cool appeared last night https://chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=10737 [2015-04-03 17:55:39] DrunkenDraconian: i messed up a few things, switched alya's and marle's position somehow and still almost beat Lavos Shell [2015-04-03 17:56:08] DrunkenDraconian: the run was flawed from the moment i held x for DT [2015-04-04 6:36:46 | Removed 6:41:59] Ottavino: This message has been removed. [2015-04-04 6:58:05] Ottavino: for EoT S/A, it seems that the timing between the two A doesn't matter, but the frame you press the second A do: it doesn't work 1 on 4 frames, so you have 75% to succeed [2015-04-04 9:35:27] DrunkenDraconian: hey puwexil, you were talking about a capture card that does 240p with component cables. What is the model? [2015-04-04 9:35:38] Puwexil: PEXHDCAP [2015-04-04 9:35:53] DrunkenDraconian: so quick! thanks :) [2015-04-04 15:12:14] Puwexil: having issues on the masa & mune fight with crono getting attacked/killed at the end of the fight, when he's supposed to go for lucca [2015-04-04 15:13:22] Puwexil: just now, he didn't hit crono with has slash counter, so I waited for him to attack marle before queueing crono's next physical attack, then did antipode + crono attack [2015-04-04 15:13:36] Puwexil: but then he attacked crono instead of lucca [2015-04-04 15:16:03] Redslash: Huh... Crono 25hp specifically? Should work with other numbers, but curious [2015-04-04 15:16:12] Puwexil: 25, yeah [2015-04-04 15:17:00] Puwexil: if crono gets hit by the slash and has 19, I hold X during the next antipode animation, otherwise I wait for him to attack marle [2015-04-04 15:19:10] Puwexil: played out basically the same in my PB if you're able to watch stuff - http://www.twitch.tv/puwexil/v/3965445?t=1h8m40s [2015-04-04 15:25:12] Redslash: I can now, let's see... [2015-04-04 15:25:36] Puwexil: I didn't handle recovery very well there, lol [2015-04-04 15:25:59] Puwexil: should have just revived crono and done slash + antipode for the kill [2015-04-04 15:36:20] Redslash: Dang, haven't seen that before. I'll experiment with it [2015-04-04 15:39:17] Puwexil: oh, worth noting that lucca has 1 extra speed in my setup [2015-04-04 15:39:31] Puwexil: I give her the denadoro speed tab and get the geno dome one for magus [2015-04-04 15:41:30] Redslash: Ooh, that's right, I'll get speedtab too. Could be just delay the Antipode or something [2015-04-04 16:03:24] Puwexil: what's the reason for the script being different depending on crono's HP? is the idea that if masa was standing far enough to the left that he misses crono with his slash counter, then he's going to get to and attack marle before you can get another turn? [2015-04-04 16:04:28] Puwexil: doing some testing now and if I just hold X during the antipode I queue during crono's slash that cancels tornado, then masa attacks lucca for his last turn (regardless of crono's HP) [2015-04-04 16:04:49] Puwexil: ie crono attacks masa before masa attacks marle [2015-04-04 16:14:29] Redslash: Yeah, not entirely sure, just works... Masa's AI would be really good to figure out, I haven't looked at it yet =P [2015-04-04 17:42:20] Redslash: I had Crono 25 but didn't get that effect... delaying Antipode was ok there, though. I'll make it an effort later to test the fight thoroughly, with different timings on each attack [2015-04-04 17:43:20] Redslash: (At the moment though, I'm gonna try a runback~) [2015-04-04 18:05:49] ElGranJerry: global banned for getting hype for reds runback [2015-04-04 18:05:56] ElGranJerry: #thankstwitch [2015-04-04 18:06:09] Redslash: Um [2015-04-04 18:08:39] DrunkenDraconian: lasts what 8 hours? [2015-04-04 18:08:56] ElGranJerry: hmm not sure [2015-04-04 18:09:11] ElGranJerry: lets see [2015-04-04 18:09:23] ElGranJerry: yeah 8 hours [2015-04-04 18:10:09] Redslash: Dude, yeah that was a lot of dongers [2015-04-04 18:10:18] Redslash: I won't let them go to waste [2015-04-04 18:10:22] DrunkenDraconian: i believe it's 20 msg in 30 sec triggers it [2015-04-04 18:10:39] ElGranJerry: <3 Red, I know you won't [2015-04-04 18:15:50] ElGranJerry: I can't follow DD's Kappa :( [2015-04-04 18:15:52] ElGranJerry: sad [2015-04-04 18:30:34] Obdajr: ok pb from today was 5:04:50 [2015-04-04 18:30:41] Obdajr: ill get a highlight up [2015-04-04 18:45:24] ElGranJerry: nice Obda, congrats! [2015-04-04 18:45:34] Obdajr: thx! [2015-04-04 18:45:36] Obdajr: http://www.twitch.tv/obdajr/v/3991002 [2015-04-04 18:45:53] Obdajr: oh wait can I just edit the leaderboards myself? probably... [2015-04-04 18:46:32] Obdajr: nope nm [2015-04-04 18:46:57] ElGranJerry: I think you can, if not I'll update it [2015-04-04 18:47:59] Obdajr: nah I don't think I have permission [2015-04-04 18:49:18] ElGranJerry: weird, I'll let srwatcher know about that [2015-04-04 18:49:53] ElGranJerry: is the link you pasted working? [2015-04-04 18:49:59] ElGranJerry: Given me a broken one [2015-04-04 21:27:03] Obdajr: http://www.twitch.tv/obdajr/v/3991022 [2015-04-04 21:27:06] Obdajr: had to redo it [2015-04-04 21:27:24] eLmaGus: congrats again obda btw [2015-04-04 21:27:45] Obdajr: ty, will crack 5 hours soon [2015-04-04 22:17:14] ElGranJerry: gg red [2015-04-04 22:25:36] Redslash: Yo, congrats Obda =) [2015-04-04 22:25:48] Obdajr: thanks! [2015-04-04 22:25:54] Redslash: Good CT day it seems [2015-04-04 22:26:09] Obdajr: everyday is a good ct day [2015-04-04 22:26:27] Redslash: Hmm agreed! [2015-04-04 22:26:33] ElGranJerry: when is the time going to stop for any% red? [2015-04-04 22:26:38] ElGranJerry: When the credits reach the end? [2015-04-04 22:26:46] ElGranJerry: or just as before [2015-04-04 22:27:07] Redslash: Not changing timing [2015-04-04 22:27:08] Puwexil: JP timing usually goes until The End appears and any music that doesn't loop forever ends [2015-04-04 22:27:17] ElGranJerry: kk [2015-04-04 22:27:20] Redslash: I'm just timing to the end as a bonus =) [2015-04-04 22:27:31] Puwexil: earthbound runners do that to [2015-04-04 22:27:43] Puwexil: since the game isn't technically over until you go home [2015-04-04 22:28:17] Puwexil: but they list their giygas kill time in their PB tables [2015-04-04 22:28:24] Redslash: I think, l'd like to report both Core kill and The End for J times =P That's just me [2015-04-04 22:28:27] Redslash: Oh sick [2015-04-04 22:28:35] Redslash: Yeah I just thought of that [2015-04-04 22:28:42] ElGranJerry: Well J is Any% now [2015-04-04 22:28:46] ElGranJerry: E needs another name [2015-04-04 22:28:57] Puwexil: uhh, no [2015-04-04 22:29:02] Puwexil: it's Any%-J [2015-04-04 22:29:09] Redslash: Mmm, I dunno =) [2015-04-04 22:29:29] Puwexil: you generally don't have to play a specific version of a game to play Any% [2015-04-04 22:29:31] Redslash: I'd be fine with "Any% US" and "Any% JP" [2015-04-04 22:29:41] ElGranJerry: that makes sense [2015-04-04 22:34:52] ElGranJerry: anyways, good job Red, good job Obda. Congrats on PB's [2015-04-04 22:34:56] ElGranJerry: Have a great night guys [2015-04-04 22:35:08] ElGranJerry: <3 [2015-04-04 22:36:05] Redslash: I didn't even realize it was so late, feels like 8pm or something 0_o [2015-04-04 22:36:24] Redslash: 'Night Jerry, and thank you! [2015-04-05 6:27:57] DrunkenDraconian: nice time Red, teach me!! [2015-04-05 10:34:10] Obdajr: for giga gaia: what accessory should now be used for Ayla if silver stud is removed? I'm thinking bandana as crono's speed is 16 to her 13 for that fight [2015-04-05 10:34:38] Puwexil: I've been doing bandana so I can queue the 1st falcon hit during the 2nd hand attack [2015-04-05 10:35:08] Obdajr: yeah ok I was on the right track then [2015-04-05 10:35:09] DrunkenDraconian: that's sweet [2015-04-05 10:35:31] Obdajr: how much faster is bs1 for that fight over bs2? [2015-04-05 10:36:09] Puwexil: good question - haven't tested that yet [2015-04-05 10:36:21] Obdajr: ok ill try to look into it [2015-04-05 10:36:34] Obdajr: bs1 for the rubbles is probably fine too [2015-04-05 10:36:44] Obdajr: and there is a bit of atb waiting in those fights [2015-04-05 10:37:01] Puwexil: BS1 golem twins sounds pretty scary though [2015-04-05 10:37:15] Obdajr: yeahh/.. [2015-04-05 10:37:42] Obdajr: but if swapping twice in existing menus is less time than is saved then it should be ok [2015-04-05 10:38:43] Obdajr: in fact the first elevator fight in the ocean palace is pretty tight to kill the jinn before they attack [2015-04-05 10:46:28] Puwexil: just did a test BS1 fight that was about 3 sec faster than my BS2 napalm one yesterday [2015-04-05 10:47:23] Puwexil: might be worth it if you save time on the rubbles too [2015-04-05 10:47:31] Obdajr: yeah [2015-04-05 10:47:57] Obdajr: potentially if the whole ocean palace can be done on bs1 it would be pretty good [2015-04-05 10:50:52] Obdajr: but for a couple seconds, its a lot more dangerous... [2015-04-05 14:00:49] Redslash: DD! I'll record a real tutorial for it, still need check a couple things [2015-04-05 14:03:49] DrunkenDraconian: my body is ready [2015-04-05 14:04:20] DrunkenDraconian: so, when i get to antiquity just talk to the plant lady and that it right [2015-04-05 14:04:30] DrunkenDraconian: don't progress past that? [2015-04-05 14:05:16] DrunkenDraconian: just beat black T with double berserk strats Kappa [2015-04-05 14:05:40] Redslash: Yup. You can watch Schala open sealed door if you want, for other ending X) [2015-04-05 14:05:51] Redslash: Dang dude, that sounds sick [2015-04-05 14:06:08] DrunkenDraconian: it was bad, but i did do berserk robo for masa hah [2015-04-05 14:06:27] Redslash: Nice! [2015-04-05 14:07:17] Redslash: But, ok... I really want LSS to work on US too now. It probably still won't be as easy [2015-04-05 14:08:57] DrunkenDraconian: not easy just means the recodr stands longer when someone does get it [2015-04-05 14:10:33] Redslash: Lol, I guess so [2015-04-05 14:11:42] Redslash: I am very curious which version would be faster then, and it'd make the JP/US division idea unneeded =P [2015-04-05 14:13:34] Redslash: Anyway, it's gonna take some work, hah [2015-04-05 14:30:51] Redslash: Why didn't I just buy Goldsuit for Slash, lol... can't believe I grinded that so Crono w/ Titanvest could survive with 1hp [2015-04-05 17:10:37] eLmaGus: you dont get a gate if you kill lavos at the ocean palace right [2015-04-05 17:11:00] Redslash: Right [2015-04-05 17:11:21] Redslash: No gate or save point [2015-04-05 17:13:03] DrunkenDraconian: yo red, what does it mean when i keep traveling up at the bucket even with the 3 gates in the right order? [2015-04-05 17:13:26] eLmaGus: did you make sure to lose the race [2015-04-05 17:13:30] eLmaGus: (devil) [2015-04-05 17:14:31] Redslash: Wow [2015-04-05 17:14:45] eLmaGus: thought i would let that go eh [2015-04-05 17:14:47] eLmaGus: : > [2015-04-05 17:15:18] Redslash: Lol... one sec [2015-04-05 17:15:53] eLmaGus: isnt that the magic 1/4 frame input stuff [2015-04-05 17:17:00] DrunkenDraconian: i've noticed a singe A tap on the bucket brings up 2300 first most times [2015-04-05 17:17:14] eLmaGus: you on console? [2015-04-05 17:17:22] eLmaGus: or emulator? [2015-04-05 17:17:23] DrunkenDraconian: yup [2015-04-05 17:17:29] eLmaGus: aight [2015-04-05 17:18:30] Redslash: Correct order being 2300 first? [2015-04-05 17:18:44] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, then 1999 the 65mil [2015-04-05 17:19:18] DrunkenDraconian: if i mash it seems that i trigger 1999 first more often [2015-04-05 17:20:34] Redslash: Yeah, it would go ahead and be pretty tight. Did you look at the notes in last hour or so? Curious if you're referring to those at all [2015-04-05 17:21:06] Redslash: But, a single-tap brings up 2300 then 1999?? Hmmm [2015-04-05 17:21:08] DrunkenDraconian: no, i'm using your vid from last night [2015-04-05 17:21:30 | Edited 17:21:40] DrunkenDraconian: single tab bring up 2300 first very often, then it is 50 50 [2015-04-05 17:21:47] DrunkenDraconian: tap* [2015-04-05 17:23:03] DrunkenDraconian: but I keep flying up instead of zipping. so i think i need to mash quickly after the single tap [2015-04-05 17:23:07 | Edited 17:23:36] Redslash: I take care not to do the taps too fast. I was used to using an 8-frame spacing, but 9-frame (or 5-frame) for 2300 is what to go for [2015-04-05 17:25:11] Redslash: The reason going up happens, is there's a chance the 1999 can be closed on frames 3 or 4, or on frames 4 or 1. Just gotta hope for the 1 =P [2015-04-05 17:25:23] Redslash: Or else aim for 4, which is hard [2015-04-05 17:27:36] Redslash: I guess you should actually aim for 4, lol. 2-frameish window, same deal.. [2015-04-05 19:56:22] Puwexil: is the nizbel manipulation really sensitive to what happens in the 2 reptite battles? [2015-04-05 19:56:42] Puwexil: thought I had good reptites based on their movement patterns, but then ayla didn't crit the megasaur [2015-04-05 19:57:37] ElGranJerry: Not really. You can even add an extra slash and be alright [2015-04-05 19:57:56] ElGranJerry: Hmm did you get hit for 34 in the 1st reptite lair fight? [2015-04-05 19:58:01] Puwexil: let me check [2015-04-05 19:59:09] Puwexil: 32 [2015-04-05 19:59:50] ElGranJerry: Rng was messed up prolly in the reptites though [2015-04-05 19:59:57] ElGranJerry: Gonna watch thr vod [2015-04-05 20:00:51] ElGranJerry: Did you reload after Masa? [2015-04-05 20:01:06] Puwexil: yes [2015-04-05 20:01:23] ElGranJerry: Okok. Watching after that then [2015-04-05 20:01:27] Puwexil: http://www.twitch.tv/puwexil/v/3993772?t=1h15m40s [2015-04-05 20:02:50] Puwexil: I'm assuming if I had a bad load, the reptites wouldn't have lined up for slash/flame toss [2015-04-05 20:03:12] ElGranJerry: they do line up, that depends on the text boxes [2015-04-05 20:03:18] ElGranJerry: when you close them that is [2015-04-05 20:03:42] Puwexil: yeah, I go for when the 2nd reptite's face touches the edge of the screen [2015-04-05 20:07:48] ElGranJerry: load looks early. Everything else seems fine [2015-04-05 20:07:56] ElGranJerry: but reptite damage rolls do look off [2015-04-05 20:08:19] ElGranJerry: other than that everything seems good [2015-04-05 20:08:28] Puwexil: ah, ok - didn't realize the reptite movement wasn't based on the load [2015-04-05 20:10:46] DrunkenDraconian: I fucking got it [2015-04-05 20:11:37] ElGranJerry: congrats DD <3 [2015-04-05 20:11:52] ElGranJerry: Ah dang puwexil, she just critted twice in the fight :( just saw that [2015-04-05 20:12:19] Puwexil: in the nizbel fight? [2015-04-05 20:12:30] ElGranJerry: yeah [2015-04-05 20:12:48] ElGranJerry: wanna take a moment to say twitch vods SUCK, take forever to load [2015-04-05 20:12:53] eLmaGus: if you want to reload after masamune, do it on the reptite lair [2015-04-05 20:12:56] eLmaGus: imo way easier [2015-04-05 20:13:23] Puwexil: is the window different? [2015-04-05 20:13:46] eLmaGus: yeah, you load before you can see the save screen pretty much [2015-04-05 20:14:01] eLmaGus: and you dont have to get hit by the first enemy, you have to straight up slash him [2015-04-05 20:14:05] Puwexil: and yeah, I like having my PB videos on YT since twitch VODs are awful [2015-04-05 20:14:33] Puwexil: doing a 1st frame load on the save before nizbel seemed to turn out ok - got like 4 crits [2015-04-05 20:14:58] Puwexil: "1st frame" being like 2nd - the last frame before the save screen appears [2015-04-05 20:17:17] eLmaGus: if you decide on the load on reptite lair practice it, the ATB is a little different in a couple of fights [2015-04-05 20:17:30] eLmaGus: minor but its going to confuse you [2015-04-05 20:17:49 | Edited 20:17:56] Puwexil: as far as whether crono or ayla is up first? [2015-04-05 20:17:59] eLmaGus: exactly [2015-04-05 20:19:11] Redslash: I always hated that, since you really want to be with the runaway just before Nizbel [2015-04-05 20:20:20] Redslash: It'd be amazing if Ayla just had a tech to set her to =P [2015-04-05 20:20:43] Puwexil: yea, if she started with kiss [2015-04-05 20:20:48] eLmaGus: i just press down and pray its on ayla [2015-04-05 20:20:53] eLmaGus: if its on item you gotta scroll back [2015-04-05 20:20:57] eLmaGus: at some point [2015-04-05 20:21:04] eLmaGus: but that way you got the guaranteed runaway [2015-04-05 20:21:56] Redslash: Yeah, right on. Magus with the sensible RPG tricks [2015-04-05 20:22:29] Puwexil: I've been spoiled by FF5/6's memory cursor [2015-04-05 20:22:43] Puwexil: where all you have to do is move it - don't have to actually confirm the action [2015-04-05 20:24:55] Redslash: That's how the item menu works at least. If you accidentally scroll down, any character can go in and scroll back up, and don't need to use any for it to stick [2015-04-05 20:25:23] Puwexil: the fact that the item cursor memory is shared by all 3 characters is so weird to me too [2015-04-05 20:25:44] Puwexil: and that memory is preserved across resets [2015-04-05 20:25:54] Redslash: Yeah it's something I didn't really pick up on til recently [2015-04-05 20:27:22] Redslash: That too. I also like that the position stays on an empty slot where an item was used up, fun to mash in and not worry [2015-04-05 20:28:21] Redslash: Fact is, at final elixir glitch, Crono should set cursor to an empty slot =P [2015-04-05 20:30:00 | Edited 20:30:30] Puwexil: oh, does the memory cursor not change during elixir glitches becaues the game processes it as an physical attack rather than actually using an item? [2015-04-05 20:31:37] Redslash: Nah, it remembers it as being on elixir. But if it's on empty slot instead, Frog can mash into item menu, and not worry about activating it sooner than you want [2015-04-05 20:32:08] DrunkenDraconian: that sounds like a nice safety [2015-04-05 20:34:45] Redslash: Btw congrats DD! Checked Twitch a little while ago and was amazed you were still at it =) [2015-04-05 20:35:39] Redslash: LSS attempts kinda addicting right? ; ) [2015-04-05 20:35:40] DrunkenDraconian: do you use the music as a measure for your presses? it felt like it was working after a bit [2015-04-05 20:35:58] Redslash: Ah, I have no music cues [2015-04-05 20:36:46] Redslash: Sounds good though. I thought about metronome [2015-04-05 20:37:40] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, me too [2015-04-05 20:37:59] Redslash: You were really doing a single tap to initiate it? I haven't had a chance to play with it today yet [2015-04-05 20:38:27] DrunkenDraconian: the ingame music may have a better pulse on the invisible timers [2015-04-05 20:38:56] DrunkenDraconian: i divided each harp hit at the beginning into a beat [2015-04-05 20:39:18] DrunkenDraconian: then tap 6 times per beat with a slight swing [2015-04-05 20:42:02] Redslash: Ohhh gotcha... I will have to try this... [2015-04-05 20:42:50] DrunkenDraconian: i was getting the "up" thing happeng a bit but was getting 1999 2nd quite a bit [2015-04-05 20:45:28] Redslash: Yeah, it's hard to gauge, because even with 2300 first and not regrouping, frame 5 or 9 gives you better odds than 6 7 or 8 [2015-04-05 20:45:49] Redslash: You can get 2300 on any [2015-04-05 20:46:56] DrunkenDraconian: does it work with differnt orders? [2015-04-05 20:48:09 | Edited 20:48:38] Redslash: Yeah all the way up until last week we thought 1999 first was a requirement, lol. With that order 1999 is a 1-framer [2015-04-05 20:48:48] DrunkenDraconian: I also know what you mean by scroll, how do you stop the train from snapping back into place? [2015-04-05 20:49:10] DrunkenDraconian: for E ;) [2015-04-05 20:49:44] DrunkenDraconian: er slide* [2015-04-05 20:50:59] Redslash: Ah yeah. The train... you have to do a bunch of diagonal movement or something during the lag from Gaspar's text writing out (so multiple menus to keep refreshing it) [2015-04-05 20:51:59] Redslash: How you'd get it to do what you want consistently though... iunno [2015-04-05 20:52:38] DrunkenDraconian: does their position matter? i thought it would just be distance to sllow time [2015-04-05 20:53:16] Redslash: Yeah that's the thing, it's gonna matter.... [2015-04-05 20:54:34] Redslash: I'm actually gonna skip the slide for now and look for the condition where both 2300 and 1999 don't make you regroup. I've only ever seen that on E [2015-04-05 20:54:54] DrunkenDraconian: the text boxes in EOT feel very different between the 2 versions [2015-04-05 20:55:35] Redslash: I've also seen 65M first, only on E, lol [2015-04-05 20:57:19] Redslash: Actually I think that's possible if you pick up pillars in the reverse order but it's extremely rare [2015-04-05 20:59:08] Redslash: Maybe one of those 1 in 28's or something. 65M pillar is weird [2015-04-05 21:05:46] Redslash: I'm secretly excited about an English LSS mainly for Low% X) Could be a legit new category, without the grinding [2015-04-05 21:06:15] DrunkenDraconian: MegaPog [2015-04-05 21:15:26] DrunkenDraconian: so wait low level, low items,? [2015-04-05 21:15:31] DrunkenDraconian: both? [2015-04-05 21:17:27] Redslash: Just low items [2015-04-05 21:18:40] Redslash: Low level being extremely grindy, and on top of that you pretty much need as many items as possible in order to survive =P [2015-04-05 21:19:32] Redslash: Not really in the spirit of a low%, I think. This game though you can pick up barely anything, it's amazing [2015-04-05 21:20:10] Redslash: I think I counted 32 items, in my route [2015-04-05 21:21:48] Redslash: Ah I don't remember what that number was. I think it actually included enemy drops tho [2015-04-05 21:23:02] DrunkenDraconian: not so much a timed thing as a challenge [2015-04-05 21:23:13] DrunkenDraconian: lots of inn sleepage i bet [2015-04-05 21:25:16] Redslash: Well, you do all your fights w/o equipment anyway, healing spells, forced to get Masamune... I think it wouldn't be too tough actually [2015-04-05 21:28:31] Redslash: Or you mean low level? [2015-04-05 21:31:05] DrunkenDraconian: i was just thinking if you find a way to skip an item it ads time [2015-04-05 21:32:38] DrunkenDraconian: or is there an anready established minimum? [2015-04-05 21:32:46] Redslash: Right. Yeah on J it's actually bad, but on E you've got that magic power [2015-04-05 21:34:29] Redslash: Ah, haven't counted the minimum yet =) [2015-04-05 21:38:05] Redslash: Gold would also not be counted... an early run could actually get DemonEdge or something like that =P [2015-04-05 21:39:58] Redslash: Although... hard to buy anything w/o stuff to sell in the first place, nvm [2015-04-05 21:55:14] Redslash: Oh... I guess you wouldn't elixir glitch, huh? I overlooked this entirely [2015-04-06 4:40:52] Will: Redslash, congrats on the new run, that is an amazing timesave man :) [2015-04-06 7:03:44] DrunkenDraconian: so the heal bucket seems to be in a different position on E [2015-04-06 7:15:40] Redslash: Thanks Will! I need to practice Lavos superslide more for next time [2015-04-06 7:16:09] Redslash: Hm, you think so DD? You still have all the pillars open? [2015-04-06 7:16:38] DrunkenDraconian: only thing i didn't do was kill retinite [2015-04-06 7:17:15] DrunkenDraconian: i can't seem to do the setup of running between buckets [2015-04-06 7:21:13] Redslash: Interesting. I thought it actually varied in-game, but now I'm not sure, maybe it is just a version diff [2015-04-06 7:28:53] DrunkenDraconian: i'll kill retinite and see [2015-04-06 7:42:27] DrunkenDraconian: regardless of positioning that last textbox just can't be closed in time. i've gotten the right zip but no chance to open menu. slide can't be that hard can it? [2015-04-06 7:53:05] Redslash: I got woken up early cause I got question PM'd on Twitter. This's also happening right now, lol https://youtube.com/watch?v=vXP7URmrMPc [2015-04-06 7:53:08] DrunkenDraconian: ok, i got mobility on the portal side agin [2015-04-06 7:54:30] DrunkenDraconian: yussss [2015-04-06 7:54:56] ElGranJerry: Kreygasm [2015-04-06 7:55:07] Redslash: I can't believe we English LSSing already, ha ha [2015-04-06 7:56:23] Redslash: Well, it's still never been done without save states. Unless you just did, I dunno [2015-04-06 7:56:39] DrunkenDraconian: boss gauntlet is the worst part of the game by far [2015-04-06 7:57:02] DrunkenDraconian: i'm on emu right now, was going to do any% later and get a save [2015-04-06 7:57:35] DrunkenDraconian: he did what I'm doing, the slide to gain that extra few frames to close textbox [2015-04-06 7:59:01] Redslash: Yeah I forgot it is required no matter what. Hard to make a setup with it but we can still try [2015-04-06 7:59:16] SnesWarrior: Gratz on those PB's Obda and Red [2015-04-06 7:59:34] SnesWarrior: And lmao at Jack's video. Got me pretty good at "many tries later" haha [2015-04-06 8:14:17] DrunkenDraconian: lol, just zipped down [2015-04-06 8:19:12] Redslash: Dude, it's wild when that happens [2015-04-06 8:19:30] DrunkenDraconian: thoguht it was a softlock, finally ported 3 min later [2015-04-06 8:20:09] SnesWarrior: Just realized that LSS sends you to the screen you'd normally see if you beat shell legit and exited then reentered. [2015-04-06 8:20:52] SnesWarrior: cept for the portal background being red. Thats still interesting [2015-04-06 8:21:22] DrunkenDraconian: yeah i was wondering about that [2015-04-06 8:21:50] DrunkenDraconian: i think it's all part of the same map [2015-04-06 8:23:01] DrunkenDraconian: i've appeared in bangor 2300 completely off the screen [2015-04-06 8:25:23] Redslash: Yeah, if the shell hasn't been beaten yet, you don't see Lavos on that map, it only shows you that fight arena [2015-04-06 8:26:32] Redslash: So when your party says "Did we do that?" ... No =D [2015-04-06 8:27:04] DrunkenDraconian: Urkle refrence Kappa [2015-04-06 8:27:11] SnesWarrior: lol [2015-04-06 8:28:38] DrunkenDraconian: so is there a relation between portal sounds and how long you have to move after you regain control? I can usually only get half way to the wall [2015-04-06 8:33:08] Redslash: Hmm... do you wait until the last moment (reaching the corner) to do the first swap? [2015-04-06 8:33:47] Redslash: Sometimes you do get more time, but I found that's usually necessary.. [2015-04-06 8:35:29] DrunkenDraconian: i have to don't I? I get stuck if i switch before i can move. I do buffer a bunch on the way up, like 5+ times sometimes [2015-04-06 8:38:24] Redslash: I don't think number of buffers matters... Hm, could be something else tricky to figure out [2015-04-06 8:39:28] Redslash: I noticed on English that if P2 follow after you it can be at a more variable distance, sometimes very close to you [2015-04-06 8:40:07 | Edited 8:40:15] Redslash: If P2 starts to zip before you reach the corner btw, it's no good [2015-04-06 8:40:43] Redslash: (the first corner) [2015-04-06 9:00:30] Redslash: Did the bucket position change after Retinite? [2015-04-06 9:32:45] DrunkenDraconian: lunch first ;) [2015-04-06 9:46:33] ElGranJerry: welcome jack :) [2015-04-06 9:46:46] Jackafur: thanks [2015-04-06 9:47:01] Jackafur: is redslash in here too? [2015-04-06 9:47:08] Jackafur: cause im always bothering on DMs on twitter [2015-04-06 9:47:50] ElGranJerry: yes sir [2015-04-06 9:47:56] Redslash: Yeah, welcome! [2015-04-06 9:47:58] SnesWarrior: About time somebody added this guy [2015-04-06 9:48:09] SnesWarrior: Whatsup Jack, this is SNESWarrior btw [2015-04-06 9:48:14] Jackafur: hey snes [2015-04-06 9:48:41] DrunkenDraconian: hey welcome [2015-04-06 9:48:49] DrunkenDraconian: DD here [2015-04-06 9:48:55] Jackafur: I thought I had that setup real tight but... looks like I need to work on it more. [2015-04-06 9:49:10] Jackafur: ive been doing LSS setups all morning [2015-04-06 9:49:28] DrunkenDraconian: i got J console last night, been working on E today as well [2015-04-06 9:49:42] SnesWarrior: Nice, we've been talking about that a little bit this morning as well. I'm working on a file to do VC attempts [2015-04-06 9:50:19] Jackafur: does robo need to be sorta out of bounds when you get to bucket? or is it more dependent on when you tap A for yes [2015-04-06 9:51:57] DrunkenDraconian: i think it's just distance from crono so you have time to close att the textboxes, I had the zip on E with savestates with 3rd player really low instead of high [2015-04-06 9:52:05] DrunkenDraconian: but i'm not sure on that [2015-04-06 9:53:12] Jackafur: I see. The times I did get it robo was slightly OoB so I was sort of obessing on that [2015-04-06 9:54:10] Jackafur: you have any tips for tapping A? like getting the right frames or whatever for the bucket text. [2015-04-06 9:54:38] DrunkenDraconian: for J :P can't find a groove in E [2015-04-06 9:56:28] Redslash: I've just been sitting back watching this unfold, but I'll collect some data in a bit here today [2015-04-06 9:56:40] Redslash: I've only "dissected" the taps for J really [2015-04-06 9:57:10] Jackafur: word. ive only done LSS on U so [2015-04-06 9:57:31] Jackafur: err I guess you refer to it as E huh? [2015-04-06 9:58:20] Redslash: I say E or US, lol [2015-04-06 9:58:25] Puwexil: E typically means European/PAL in ROM filenames, yeah [2015-04-06 9:58:31] Puwexil: U for NTSC-US [2015-04-06 9:58:50] Jackafur: yea I was a little confused [2015-04-06 9:58:54] Jackafur: ill just stick to saying U [2015-04-06 9:58:56] Redslash: Even tho there's no Euro for CT =) [2015-04-06 9:59:01] Jackafur: oh yea derp [2015-04-06 9:59:05] Puwexil: (n) to that [2015-04-06 9:59:12] Jackafur: I forgot there was no snes release for europe [2015-04-06 9:59:23] Puwexil: europe got trolled badly on SNES RPGs [2015-04-06 9:59:55] Redslash: Yeah. I'm trying to stop using "E", just habit [2015-04-06 10:11:47] Redslash: Ahem. So let's do this. [2015-04-06 10:13:28] DrunkenDraconian: it may also be worth noting when i was messing around on US console and gained control after the zip i had powered up the pendant. so perhaps different story text may be a key to getting it [2015-04-06 10:18:14] Redslash: I'll test that with J rq, also different text if Frog's in your party [2015-04-06 10:21:57] Redslash: Doesn't seem to matter, got the same outcomes [2015-04-06 10:27:24] ElGranJerry: the day I am @ school until 9pm cool things happen :( [2015-04-06 10:27:33] ElGranJerry: I will catch up tonight and give it a shot [2015-04-06 10:27:55] Jackafur: ah lamers. good luck at school man. [2015-04-06 10:29:42] ElGranJerry: thks :) Mondays are always rough here haha [2015-04-06 10:33:01] DrunkenDraconian: dear god retinite is a nightmare without swallow [2015-04-06 10:41:24] DrunkenDraconian: yup, hahaha [2015-04-06 10:41:39] DrunkenDraconian: the bucket is different [2015-04-06 10:42:02] Redslash: Crazy. I don't understand that [2015-04-06 10:42:19] DrunkenDraconian: i wonder if each version of EOT is a completely seperate room [2015-04-06 10:42:41] DrunkenDraconian: or overlay of triggers/hitboxes [2015-04-06 10:48:07] Redslash: Location stays the same (7e0100). Why do things move, ha ha... [2015-04-06 10:50:56] DrunkenDraconian: maybe the order they are drawn has something to do with it? do you see it? you can't tuck behind the heal bucket to set up moving right. [2015-04-06 10:56:21] Redslash: It could be something like that. Hitbox viewer shows you should never be able to tuck behind. I wonder what's ignored [2015-04-06 10:58:05 | Edited 10:58:23] Redslash: Oh I get it, the impassability is actually turned off on the sprite, so you're just colliding with the bucket's base [2015-04-06 11:03:10] DrunkenDraconian: I used the lamppost to get a similar position so it's not a big deal, also we need green dream anyway [2015-04-06 11:03:54] DrunkenDraconian: but maybe a further progression may yeild an EOT with a slightly more favorable text/hotboxes [2015-04-06 11:06:09] Redslash: It's possible, yeah. I've never seen an outcome tree better than the current, but I wasn't checking 2300-firsts either [2015-04-06 11:20:31] Redslash: Lol ok, heal bucket's passable b/c Ayla's sitting there. Almost get stuck by swapping her in X) [2015-04-06 11:21:56] DrunkenDraconian: neato [2015-04-06 11:22:09] DrunkenDraconian: more simple [2015-04-06 11:23:15] DrunkenDraconian: I'm just trying to do what I did on J, 2300 first. "old" way was 1999 2300 65 ? [2015-04-06 11:32:00] eLmaGus: yo jack welcome [2015-04-06 11:32:09] Jackafur: thanks magus [2015-04-06 11:32:20] Jackafur: i gotta take a break. this lss shit is killing my hands. [2015-04-06 12:04:35] DrunkenDraconian: so you can pause buffer while triggering the 1999 bucket... [2015-04-06 12:09:33] Redslash: If you do... a single tap instead of double? [2015-04-06 12:10:13] DrunkenDraconian: not sure [2015-04-06 12:10:30] DrunkenDraconian: but you can see the textbox close and pause [2015-04-06 12:10:46] DrunkenDraconian: might find a visual cue? [2015-04-06 12:14:34] DrunkenDraconian: i can also now slide robo into oblivion ;P [2015-04-06 12:24:36 | Edited 12:24:57] Redslash: Oh dang... yeah I can break him away by just running diagonal way up-right and down-left, back and forth, but I dunno how the timing works really [2015-04-06 12:26:38] DrunkenDraconian: I can get it so I'm waiting on robo after closing all the textboxes [2015-04-06 12:36:27] Jackafur: thought I had something going with this sorta weird setup [2015-04-06 12:36:28] Jackafur: https://youtu.be/xlwLyNdWaik [2015-04-06 12:36:41] Jackafur: but seems like you dont have enough time to get to the wall after switching to frog this way [2015-04-06 12:39:11] Redslash: That looks really good. Lucca just followed too soon, so was actually a bad zip [2015-04-06 12:39:23] SnesWarrior: Jack, when coming from the pillars are you re-opening the menu to cause the 3rd character to stay further back? If not I don't think you have to keep opneing it over and over [2015-04-06 12:39:58] Jackafur: I dont really have a reason [2015-04-06 12:40:02] SnesWarrior: That looks like a good setup to keep robo far back tho [2015-04-06 12:40:04] Jackafur: I was just kinda copying chaos [2015-04-06 12:40:08] Redslash: That was a big problem with the J setup, and it turned out certain coordinates you stand on give you that zip more often in place of the good one [2015-04-06 12:40:16] SnesWarrior: I gotcha [2015-04-06 12:40:43] Jackafur: I can try dropping some menus [2015-04-06 12:41:37] SnesWarrior: Wasn't harpin on ya or nothin', was just hoping that was some tech you found that made the 3P stay back hehe [2015-04-06 12:42:21] Redslash: Several menus are necessary, but one might be extraneous or something. I wouldn't change it if it works [2015-04-06 12:42:32] Jackafur: nahh i know. I just noticed the more menus the more the characters seem to go out of bounds or whatever [2015-04-06 12:42:54] Jackafur: ill keep messing with it. the biggest thing i struggle with is speaking to the bucket. [2015-04-06 12:43:01] Jackafur: i just mash and hope for the best tbh [2015-04-06 12:44:31] SnesWarrior: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh [2015-04-06 12:44:42] SnesWarrior: I just managed to lose 2P and 3P entirely [2015-04-06 12:44:48] SnesWarrior: like i have just Crono now at EoT [2015-04-06 12:44:52] SnesWarrior: chilling by himself [2015-04-06 12:44:55] Jackafur: dude nice [2015-04-06 12:45:30] SnesWarrior: What can we do with this? lmao [2015-04-06 12:45:38] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, it's diag movements while text is drawing that the slide happens, from what I've seen [2015-04-06 12:45:53] Redslash: Once they're actually broken away they should stay that way, they don't catch back up [2015-04-06 12:47:30] Redslash: I think. If you talk to the bucket does it stop them from running..? [2015-04-06 12:49:34] SnesWarrior: I cant even see them... lol. Lucca occasionally pops up on screen though, and it looks like she just stops when I do. [2015-04-06 12:49:38] SnesWarrior: Similar to Yakra skip [2015-04-06 12:49:58] SnesWarrior: or wait you meant actually warping with the bucket right? [2015-04-06 12:50:07] Redslash: Oh yeah they're around somewhere, lol [2015-04-06 12:50:17] SnesWarrior: k they still grouped up [2015-04-06 12:52:06] Redslash: Ah no, I mean when you're running up to the bucket with the same breakaway, would Robo make it closer to you if you stopped at the bucket for a moment before interacting. Pretty sure you can safely rest and make a state there [2015-04-06 12:53:06] SnesWarrior: I went straight to VC for testing so no savestave, but i'll try and get the same breakaway and test that a few times then [2015-04-06 12:59:42 | Edited 13:00:17] SnesWarrior: Ok, pretty sure for what I'm doing the 3rd person has no hope of making it to you either way. But I mean it takes coniderably longer since I basically just do one full loop around the entire EoT [2015-04-06 13:04:35] Redslash: We're getting closer. Trying to understand what specifically creates a permanent breakaway [2015-04-06 13:05:28] DrunkenDraconian: breakaway is easy [2015-04-06 13:05:36] SnesWarrior: Looks to me like diagonal running against a wall with text open causes it. Opening the menu enhances it [2015-04-06 13:06:25] Redslash: If it could possibly be done in a way that they end up a precise coordinate from you, we're so in there [2015-04-06 13:07:16] Redslash: I would guess [2015-04-06 13:07:41] SnesWarrior: Do it like Jack does it, but just do another loop around Gaspar before triggering the portals, 2P and 3P both struggle to make it to you before 65BC textbox [2015-04-06 13:08:48] DrunkenDraconian: corner to corner with buffered movements would be the best for consistancy [2015-04-06 13:10:22] Redslash: But, until they're permanently broken away, you gotta keep moving. Hard to be precise with that.. [2015-04-06 13:10:38] DrunkenDraconian: yeah :9 [2015-04-06 13:11:27] SnesWarrior: Just found a way faster setup [2015-04-06 13:12:43] SnesWarrior: Talk to Gaspar, go straight up into the corner. Open/Close menu, run along the wall to the savepoint, O/C menu, bottom-right, OC menu, 1999 bucket, O/C menu, then back up to the top O/C menu, then just do it how J does it after opening the fence [2015-04-06 13:13:01] SnesWarrior: so basically just loop Gaspars room once before heading to the pillars [2015-04-06 13:15:01] SnesWarrior: Yeah you get 2P and 3P permanent breakaway as soon as you enter the pillar room!!! [2015-04-06 13:15:18] SnesWarrior: i just lost the textbox preserve and stopped and they never caught up [2015-04-06 13:15:28] Redslash: Holy moly. It's cuz of all the sprites on screen [2015-04-06 13:15:55] SnesWarrior: yeah they collide and grind slowly across everything it seems [2015-04-06 13:20:18] Redslash: If you never stop but always menu while running, they're broken away once you hit top corner again [2015-04-06 13:20:28] SnesWarrior: LOL [2015-04-06 13:20:30] SnesWarrior: siiiick [2015-04-06 13:21:15] SnesWarrior: Even if you mess up, im still getting 3rd person breakaway in top corner too =P [2015-04-06 13:24:29] SnesWarrior: Just to clarify, when running between 1999 bucket and Healing bucket, you want to RUN left/right, but WALK up/down, right? [2015-04-06 13:30:28 | Edited 13:30:45] SnesWarrior: Or I guess the walking part doesnt put you on a different pixel, its the accidental letting go of right+A at an awkward timing that puts you a pixel further to the right [2015-04-06 13:32:43] Jackafur: what do you mean by O/C? [2015-04-06 13:33:15] SnesWarrior: open/close [2015-04-06 13:33:19] Redslash: Well, for the J setup. You want lowest pixel (walk down against wall, run up) and rightmost pixel (walk right against wall, but run left then back right if you budge) [2015-04-06 13:33:49] Redslash: But, don't worry about it yet. It depends on the pixel P2 and P3 are on as well =P [2015-04-06 13:34:50] SnesWarrior: Ah okay, dang. Do they not just group up on your exact pixel? I'm guessing not, bleh [2015-04-06 13:38:14] Redslash: I don't know the reason, just gives the whole set of tap combos an increase/decrease of good outcomes [2015-04-06 13:39:19] SnesWarrior: Oh I see then, so it doesn't make it impossible just less likely. Thats fine then [2015-04-06 13:40:31] Redslash: There's a chance your coordinates make it impossible too X) But only a chance, yeah [2015-04-06 13:45:44] Redslash: On J btw it's important to wait then run straight left to open the wooden gate. I forget to mention that [2015-04-06 13:46:03] Redslash: Actually has a tiny breakaway effect, lol [2015-04-06 14:37:22] Redslash: For the final zip movement, confirmed you don't want to be in the corner, but like a tile above. That would've helped the other night [2015-04-06 14:37:54] Redslash: Do press against the left wall though, not much room for error on the X-axis [2015-04-06 14:43:38] Redslash: But this way you can get up higher with your menu mashing. Even if you get above the door transition Crono runs down into it =P [2015-04-06 14:44:03] SnesWarrior: Ah man, I got control on the left side for the first time with the correct zip but couldn't even make it to the wall in time. Does opening character swap or swapping characters again prolong it? Also got transported to Bangor dome T_T Is that because my timing was off on the 2nd tap? Or is that the risk of going for 2300AD first instead of 1999AD? [2015-04-06 14:46:29] Redslash: It's likely Lucca/P2 followed too soon like in Jack's post, happens with any order. I think that always sends you to 2300 [2015-04-06 14:47:59] Redslash: It's a bummer too because it's so close =P But there's no way to use it [2015-04-06 14:50:56] SnesWarrior: Does opening your menu reduce the time you have to make it the wall? I got only halfway. But for some reason I thought you open and closed the menu to make it last longer. Looking at the video you guys just run straight to it [2015-04-06 14:52:29] DrunkenDraconian: yeah same here, i can't only make it half way to the wall [2015-04-06 14:53:46] Redslash: Menus don't change the time you have. It's because of P2 following. You might not notice it at the moment [2015-04-06 14:55:08] Redslash: If you do get that result though you're doing the right thing, just got screwed by actual chance (coordinates and frame of your very first tap) [2015-04-06 14:57:21] Redslash: My first LSS run attempt I was stuck for 2 hours with those =P [2015-04-06 15:00:40] SnesWarrior: It's cool that we're getting that close already though. So by following do you mean she groups up too soon or shes not permanently broke away? [2015-04-06 15:01:35] Redslash: No no, she starts to zip after you, before you reach the corner [2015-04-06 15:02:26] Redslash: Wasn't clear about that, sorry [2015-04-06 15:02:33] SnesWarrior: ooo ok, i get you now [2015-04-06 15:04:44] SnesWarrior: Is it possible to tell how early/late you are with your 2nd tap by the direction you zip maybe? [2015-04-06 15:08:54 | Edited 15:09:11] Redslash: Mmm it's really tough to make a correlation, when so much is luck. That's why I really hated this trick, not the difficulty so much as no feedback. Once we cut out some variables though, we kinda start to tell... [2015-04-06 15:12:56] Ottavino: wow, for EoT S/A, if you don't run when you arrive in the EoT, you will get another coordinates for marle and lucca and it won't work [2015-04-06 15:14:00] Ottavino: and still haven't figure if we can get better odds that 75% :-( [2015-04-06 15:14:20] SnesWarrior: That a good find though [2015-04-06 15:14:50] DrunkenDraconian: good thing I hold down b even on the world map [2015-04-06 15:14:51] Redslash: Oh yeah, I mentioned to you SW how I ran through the gate, but once again forgot, oops [2015-04-06 15:14:55] SnesWarrior: Oh Otta, have you by any chance TAS'd LSS on dolphin? Just curious [2015-04-06 15:15:26] Ottavino: no on dolphin i stopped at masamune [2015-04-06 15:17:29] SnesWarrior: Does the gate effect anything other than giving more of a breakaway effect? [2015-04-06 15:19:31] Redslash: Mmm it shouldn't. Just lags when you open it [2015-04-06 15:19:59] Redslash: For the breakaway setup you shared I think opening Spekkio's door helped, btw [2015-04-06 15:21:04] SnesWarrior: Also if you have the pary of Lucca/Robo the other characters in EoT are all setup perfectly to be in the way [2015-04-06 15:21:15] SnesWarrior: Makes it quite a bit more lenient [2015-04-06 15:22:11] SnesWarrior: Actually I guess Ayla/Marle dont do a whole lot, its mainly Frog [2015-04-06 15:24:56] Redslash: Now, how do we control it... if someone gets an idea for a pixel-precise breakaway, I will find the right coordinate for it =P [2015-04-06 15:26:18] Redslash: I have the means... heh [2015-04-06 15:27:18] Ottavino: the first direction when you arrive in EoT matters: if you run right instead up/right, you will get 18F0, 1A10, 1BF0, 1369, 1209, 1029 (instead of 18F0, 1A10, 1BF0, 1369, 1249, 1069) and only 1 on 4 frames works instead of 3 on 4 [2015-04-06 15:27:50] Ottavino: so there is maybe a direction to hold when you arrive to get 4 on 4? :) [2015-04-06 15:29:14] Redslash: I've never seen better than 3 on 4, for any bucket tricks =( [2015-04-06 15:29:31] SnesWarrior: Does it do that entering from the load screen as well? Or just the Pillars? [2015-04-06 15:30:04 | Edited 15:30:12] Redslash: What I was doing, was holding straight right until stopped, then breaking through the wooden gate with right+down [2015-04-06 15:30:18] Ottavino: it tested from the pillars [2015-04-06 15:49:06] SnesWarrior: Huh.. sometimes if your holding a direction as a zip happens during an LSS attempt, your character will zip in that direction. And sometimes you can send 2P flying another direction than 1P and 3P [2015-04-06 15:50:53] Redslash: Oh wow, really? [2015-04-06 15:52:33] SnesWarrior: During one weird attempt, I held down-left at the very beggining. Crono zipped down left. Took like 20s for the game to do anything else, then zipped the other 2 at the same time almost. Then it took about 20ish more second before I finally teleported to 65BC [2015-04-06 15:52:41] SnesWarrior: Thought I had softlocked for awhile [2015-04-06 15:53:28 | Edited 15:53:36] Redslash: If we could zip rightward... that might be really useful [2015-04-06 15:55:44] SnesWarrior: Only on that one attempt did Crono actually zip the direction I held. And just now with holding up-right it sent 2P and 3P leftward. [2015-04-06 15:56:37] Redslash: Crazy. I can get the camera to follow Crono a short way, but that's it [2015-04-06 15:57:37] DrunkenDraconian: i had crono running around in the upper right once, lol [2015-04-06 15:57:57] DrunkenDraconian: in the void [2015-04-06 15:59:11] Redslash: Yeah lol there's some open space up there. I wish there was some in upper left [2015-04-06 16:00:14] Redslash: I want a right zip because I assume it just wraps you around to where you're meant to go [2015-04-06 16:00:33] Redslash: And... you wouldn't need the leftmost pillars in that case [2015-04-06 16:00:54] DrunkenDraconian: wow that was close.... was 2 tiles away, let me check that setup again [2015-04-06 16:18:04] ElGranJerry: anyone streaming it? [2015-04-06 16:18:47] DrunkenDraconian: i can, it's ZZZZZ [2015-04-06 16:19:09] ElGranJerry: just wondering haha [2015-04-06 16:19:15] ElGranJerry: this class is ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ [2015-04-06 16:21:38] DrunkenDraconian: what are the adds for position? let me check if this setup is repeatable [2015-04-06 16:24:34] Redslash: 7e1802/1803 is Crono's X, the others will be close by... 7e1882 is his Y [2015-04-06 16:28:43] Redslash: What's your team? [2015-04-06 16:29:38] Redslash: Ehh you've got it [2015-04-06 16:34:22] Redslash: Really excited to do another attempt later this week, learned some good stuff today [2015-04-06 16:49:09] SnesWarrior: Man, so many random things can happen with LSS, sitting on the last textbox and P2 and P3 didn't group up still >< [2015-04-06 16:49:35] SnesWarrior: that was with 1999 last though. dunno how that happened [2015-04-06 16:51:49] Redslash: I've had that with 65M last, not sure how often it can happen [2015-04-06 16:52:51 | Edited 16:53:04] SnesWarrior: Uhp, wow and that time I got 2P grouped up but 3P didnt, thats even weirder [2015-04-06 16:53:18] Redslash: I was gonna try to get that on purpose, thinking we wouldn't have to breakaway then, but I guess it's actually no good [2015-04-06 16:53:27] Redslash: Lol what [2015-04-06 16:53:54] SnesWarrior: yeah 2P grouped up on 2nd textbox, 3P didn't come until last one... odddd [2015-04-06 16:54:20] SnesWarrior: Guess it had to do something to do with the breakaway [2015-04-06 16:54:25] Redslash: Ohh I gotcha... huh [2015-04-06 17:37:37 | Edited 17:37:52] Redslash: Forum dude posted about Wondershot damage, looks like it cycles through multipliers every 10 frames... imagine a branching script which uses move durations to land the good multiplier X) [2015-04-06 18:20:54] Redslash: Hmm I have a lead... [2015-04-06 18:28:12] Redslash: Ha ha, I was having the hardest time opening Spekkio's door... you just can't open those facing left/right, even moving directly into them diagonally [2015-04-06 18:32:33] SnesWarrior: If you bump into the bucket from below, you can hold diagonal up-left and it should open it everytime [2015-04-06 18:33:29] SnesWarrior: You kinda hit the wooden frame on the left side than the actual door, but it opens, and you keep sliding [2015-04-06 18:37:13] SnesWarrior: Oh sorry, read too fast, you said facing left =P [2015-04-06 18:38:19] Redslash: Yeah I'm trying to use the doors to buffer the direction changes... I'm thinking savepoint->spekkio->hatch->epoch landing, if I can get there... prob won't be enough [2015-04-06 18:40:34] SnesWarrior: do you buffer something at epoch landing? or just going to run into the end of the dock? [2015-04-06 18:43:11] Redslash: Just to get max distance, hah [2015-04-06 18:45:48] SnesWarrior: That doesn't sound bad. I guess thats to try and make a more consistent breakaway for 2P and 3P coord? [2015-04-06 18:46:09] Redslash: Yup [2015-04-06 18:50:59] Redslash: Though I do kinda like "think magic" setup [2015-04-06 18:51:20] SnesWarrior: lol [2015-04-06 18:51:28] DrunkenDraconian: I can always get the breakaway, it's just never the same even with the same movements [2015-04-06 18:53:44] SnesWarrior: You can get semi-consistent with it, I think when you hit spekkios door / or the gate it needs to be a pretty specific timing if your gonna use them. At least the gate seemed to make a character act weird every now and then [2015-04-06 18:54:24] DrunkenDraconian: i've been doing it on the pillar side [2015-04-06 18:57:01] Redslash: Maybe we'll have to find good Crono positions for many different breakaways... hoping there'll be a pattern to them or something, lol [2015-04-06 18:57:01] SnesWarrior: How many loops are you getting them to break away in? Just 1? [2015-04-06 18:57:17] DrunkenDraconian: 2 [2015-04-06 19:00:16] SnesWarrior: I think the more directions you have to change the more likely you are to get a different breakaway. It's pretty hard to get them to do the same thing even in a 1 loop pattern for me [2015-04-06 19:00:40] SnesWarrior: But I could see getting a consistent setup with some hours of grinding [2015-04-06 19:02:30] DrunkenDraconian: gets 3rd PC every time, 2nd PC most of the time, can always close last text box [2015-04-06 21:53:51] Jackafur: any exciting developments while i was sleeping? [2015-04-06 22:34:57] Redslash: Hmm, bunch of interesting effects. It's really cool we're all working on it [2015-04-06 22:37:26] Jackafur: i cant seem to get it anymore. best i can do is bad zips at this point [2015-04-06 22:37:32] Jackafur: where p2 follows you [2015-04-06 22:37:57] Redslash: I want to understand the movement better, if no pixel-perfect setup then at least hoping for patterns... probably make some scripts tomorrow [2015-04-06 22:38:34] Jackafur: yea seems really close to a setup for U [2015-04-06 22:38:43] Jackafur: i think you guys were mostly working on J though? [2015-04-06 22:39:27] Redslash: Everyone was on U today X) [2015-04-06 22:39:37] Jackafur: ah ok cool [2015-04-06 22:39:50] Redslash: I checked some things against J to confirm if they mattered [2015-04-06 22:41:18] Jackafur: do you know if you can hold A after the 2300 text on U? [2015-04-06 22:47:16] Redslash: 2300-first is pretty new, I don't know much about it even on J. In theory though 1999... [2015-04-06 22:49:40] Redslash: That is, I've only explored it for the one specific coordinate which I knew was good [2015-04-06 22:50:15] Jackafur: i guess i should look at the coordinates [2015-04-06 22:50:30] Jackafur: but i dunno how. ive never used like tools before for this kind of thing [2015-04-06 22:52:13] Redslash: Hmm... if you're using Snes9x 1.51-rr (supports Lua scripting), I could give you an overlay [2015-04-06 22:52:49] Jackafur: yea i have that revision [2015-04-06 22:53:54] Redslash: It's the best one [2015-04-06 22:54:49] Redslash: My overlay doesn't show coords yet but I'll add it [2015-04-06 22:55:15] Jackafur: you have a save too? I was using a different version of snesx9 and it seems like they dont work on 1.51rr [2015-04-06 22:55:48] Redslash: Ah dang, sure thing [2015-04-06 22:57:43] Redslash: tool to convert them should be simple but I bet that don't exist =P [2015-04-06 22:58:19] Jackafur: says the saves arent in the "freeze format" [2015-04-06 22:59:43] Redslash: Yeah emu coders kinda just do whatever usually, lol [2015-04-06 23:02:11] Redslash: As long as it works ofc [2015-04-06 23:06:52] Jackafur: its probably placebo... but when mashing menu for the last part of LSS [2015-04-06 23:07:08] Jackafur: i swear the menu opens up better when i mash X and B [2015-04-06 23:07:15] Jackafur: err [2015-04-06 23:07:17] Jackafur: B and Y i mean [2015-04-06 23:07:29] Jackafur: i practice on ps3 controller so i always mix up the buttons [2015-04-06 23:07:47] Jackafur: err fuck [2015-04-06 23:07:59] Jackafur: B and X i was right the first time [2015-04-06 23:08:34] Redslash: Interesting, I'll check if that's something [2015-04-06 23:08:54] Jackafur: probably placebo. i dunno. it just seems if I mash X the menu doesnt ever come up in time [2015-04-06 23:09:26] Redslash: The final part always feels really weird. Oh, I did get a good piece of info though [2015-04-06 23:10:14] Redslash: You don't want to be all the way in the lower-left corner, but as much as a tile above it. More reliably get enough height that way [2015-04-06 23:10:36] Redslash: And if you're too high Crono runs down into the door anyway I guess [2015-04-06 23:11:04] Redslash: You still have to be way left though, not too much room on the x-axis [2015-04-06 23:15:21] Redslash: So, I actually use the lower-left pillar as a guide and get on the same level as it, then press left into the wall [2015-04-06 23:15:37] Jackafur: ill try messing w/ that [2015-04-06 23:15:45] Jackafur: ive just been running to the corner [2015-04-06 23:16:35 | Edited 23:16:41] Redslash: Lot of my attempts had been failing because I ended up too low, this seems like the ticket [2015-04-06 23:22:34] Jackafur: oh dude you know what [2015-04-06 23:22:41] Jackafur: you can mash Y or X there [2015-04-06 23:22:51] Jackafur: so you kinda get 2 chances at getting a menu [2015-04-06 23:23:06] Jackafur: like just mash Y and X at the same time [2015-04-06 23:23:08] Jackafur: makes it alot easier [2015-04-06 23:23:36] Jackafur: like every time [2015-04-06 23:25:43] Redslash: Can't believe I didn't think of that [2015-04-06 23:25:53] Redslash: Freakin good call [2015-04-06 23:25:56] Jackafur: just thought it like just now lol [2015-04-06 23:28:02] Redslash: Jesus man you can even do that for the first part, the char switch in the menu works [2015-04-06 23:30:18] Jackafur: dude nice i contributed [2015-04-06 23:30:35] Jackafur: by yea for the last part I just mash B, Y and X all at the same time. works pretty good. [2015-04-06 23:31:04] Redslash: Get your spoons out [2015-04-06 23:33:12] Redslash: This is awesome. Always something sensible that gets overlooked [2015-04-06 23:33:37] Jackafur: actually. it seems to work better if you alternate Y and X [2015-04-06 23:33:41] Jackafur: but that;s just me [2015-04-06 23:35:57] Redslash: Maybe so. So spoon was on the money... [2015-04-06 23:36:14] Jackafur: you know what else seems to work good. [2015-04-06 23:36:23] Jackafur: holding start and B and mashing Y and X [2015-04-06 23:36:58] Redslash: Oh yes, always gotta start+B [2015-04-06 23:37:31] Redslash: Holding B the whole time tho, not sure yet how I'll test that [2015-04-06 23:39:08] Redslash: Lol, X & A swapped makes this here really inconvenient, hm... [2015-04-06 23:39:38] Redslash: Eh it's not bad [2015-04-07 0:08:23] Jackafur: ffff keep getting the bad zip [2015-04-07 1:46:44] Jackafur: these are the correct coordinates on J right? [2015-04-07 1:46:45] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gydYrLppHa0&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-07 1:46:48] Jackafur: im doing that correctly? [2015-04-07 1:49:05] Redslash: Yup, that's right for Crono [2015-04-07 1:49:23] Jackafur: i got it kinda to work this way but bad zip [2015-04-07 1:49:26] Jackafur: like p2 followed [2015-04-07 1:53:19] Jackafur: i feel like im so close [2015-04-07 1:53:28] Jackafur: ive gotten like 10 bad zips this way [2015-04-07 1:53:33] Jackafur: with p2 following [2015-04-07 1:53:54] Redslash: Nice [2015-04-07 1:54:54] Redslash: I'll upload this deal when I get a chance to, a bit later on [2015-04-07 1:55:12] Jackafur: fff I got a good zip but couldnt get into menu [2015-04-07 1:55:22] Jackafur: this shit is driving me crazy [2015-04-07 1:56:44] Redslash: Dang [2015-04-07 1:58:06] Redslash: Yeah it is a little maddening... now I'm the one who has to sleep thru excitement, but good luck to you man [2015-04-07 1:58:22] Jackafur: word [2015-04-07 1:58:25] Jackafur: take it easy [2015-04-07 2:38:12] Jackafur: umm if any one is awake [2015-04-07 2:38:17] Jackafur: i may have found something interesting [2015-04-07 2:38:27] Jackafur: i skipped shell almost with a really bad zip [2015-04-07 2:40:28] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjIRsLcXqNI&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-07 6:47:16] ElGranJerry: that looked close [2015-04-07 6:48:08] ElGranJerry: I played with lss for like 10 min, but got no idea what I am doing. Managed to move in the portal area but I got sent to 2300 [2015-04-07 6:48:20] ElGranJerry: will try it more tonight I guess [2015-04-07 7:03:02] SnesWarrior: Pffffft, wow Jack. I've never even seen the Lavos shell from a failed zip, thats crazy. Maybe theres a few other coords that manage to put you in there? Before I gave up last night I got the good zip 13 times but each time ended up in Bangor dome. Just can't make it to that corner for the life of me [2015-04-07 7:05:04] Jackafur: I cant get good zips at all to save my life [2015-04-07 7:05:08] Jackafur: I wish I knew why [2015-04-07 7:05:22] Jackafur: dunno if its postioning or the text from the bucket [2015-04-07 7:05:46] Jackafur: but yea Ive gotten to the lavos shell w/ 2 different failed zips. Just cant get inside :\ [2015-04-07 7:07:38] SnesWarrior: You may not be doing this, but in that last particular video I noticed you closed the last textbox before your party grouped up. I believe there is a 4-8 frame window you need to hit with that last textbox. Gotta hit Yes within 4-8 frames of your last character grouping up [2015-04-07 7:07:52] Jackafur: I also zipped in a totally new direction. I zipped south and after like 5 minutes ended up in 2300 lol [2015-04-07 7:08:15] SnesWarrior: Haha, yea that one is weird, feels like the game wants to softlock so bad [2015-04-07 7:08:22] Jackafur: oh i see [2015-04-07 7:08:33] Jackafur: so you wait till they group up and then hit A after a couple of frames? [2015-04-07 7:08:35] Jackafur: on the second one? [2015-04-07 7:09:07] SnesWarrior: Yeah, you wanna hit A like, right when he plants his feet when he gets to you [2015-04-07 7:09:27] Jackafur: ah ok thank you. ill mess aroumd more then [2015-04-07 7:10:27] SnesWarrior: Im not 100% sure, but I think thats what gives you control over opening your character swap menu while zipping, instead of only being able to open it at the very beggining and the end of the zip [2015-04-07 7:12:10] Jackafur: what setup do you do? [2015-04-07 7:12:19] Jackafur: the chaos one or do you do the redslash one [2015-04-07 7:12:24] Jackafur: or do you just do something completely different [2015-04-07 7:14:04] SnesWarrior: Red called it the "think magic" setup, so I think thats pretty good name for what I do lol. Start in the north corner in Gaspars room and hit every corner in the room before heading to the pillars [2015-04-07 7:14:32] Jackafur: do you end at the BL corner? [2015-04-07 7:15:46] SnesWarrior: I noticed you could sometimes, but I started out ending it at the top. By the time you get to the top corner again P3 should already be broken away, sometimes even P2 if you never stop moving while menuing [2015-04-07 7:16:34] SnesWarrior: I'll pop open the stream and do a few attempts if you wanna take a look at it closer [2015-04-07 7:16:49] Jackafur: yea I'd like to check it out [2015-04-07 7:17:01] Jackafur: i'd stream to but my comcast has been throttling the shit out of my upload for some reason [2015-04-07 7:17:38] SnesWarrior: Aight lemme grab a cig and ill do like 10 or more attempts before ragequitting in bangor dome again =P [2015-04-07 7:32:51] Jackafur: if you decide to give it a go post your stream [2015-04-07 7:33:27] SnesWarrior: twitch.tv/sneswarrior , sorry thought you mighta been in IRC [2015-04-07 7:33:41] Jackafur: np [2015-04-07 7:33:46] Jackafur: sorry i forgot who you were already [2015-04-07 7:34:13] Jackafur: like i know sneswarrior. i just didnt connect sneswarrior to travis lol [2015-04-07 7:34:57] SnesWarrior: lol its all good, i need to put my twitch name in paranthesis or something, its confusing on skype [2015-04-07 11:37:27] SnesWarrior: Alright, Red, got some stuff you can check out the next time your near a PC. https://secure.twitch.tv/sneswarrior/v/40722885 , https://secure.twitch.tv/sneswarrior/v/40722701 , https://secure.twitch.tv/sneswarrior/v/40722705 [2015-04-07 11:46:33] SnesWarrior: Actually just realized the one I called a double zip is just another triple, you can hear the 3rd one happen off-screen [2015-04-07 14:28:21] Redslash: The up zip into a left is surprising, I don't think I've seen that. I assume you can't menu until you reach the far left though? [2015-04-07 14:28:58] Redslash: I suppose you'll probably always be taken to 1999 if the first zip is upward.. [2015-04-07 14:33:30] SnesWarrior: Not 100% sure if I even tried to menu after the left zip happened. Might've took me by surprise [2015-04-07 14:34:06] SnesWarrior: based on the audio it sounded like I even zipped a third time, no clue in what direction though [2015-04-07 14:35:13] Redslash: Oh for sure. I'll test it myself, it'd be awesome if it's usable [2015-04-07 14:35:47] Redslash: Mmm there's usually 3. Good one's actually 2 lefts then up [2015-04-07 14:36:37] SnesWarrior: But I can very consistently get the Lucca early zip after a correct first zip. Like i've gotten it at least 50 times now. I'm not sure how to go about figuring out how to complete it other than trying every single pixel around the 1999 bucket =( [2015-04-07 14:36:39] Jackafur: btw red [2015-04-07 14:37:00] Jackafur: i duno if they told you about the getting the shell skip with bad zip [2015-04-07 14:37:02] Jackafur: but not going in [2015-04-07 14:39:28] Redslash: One where you landed in 2300? [2015-04-07 14:40:09] Jackafur: no one sec [2015-04-07 14:40:30] Jackafur: this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjIRsLcXqNI [2015-04-07 14:40:58] Redslash: Oh I skipped to the end, my b [2015-04-07 14:41:03] Jackafur: check the mid [2015-04-07 14:41:31] Jackafur: you can do that if you zip up as well [2015-04-07 14:41:41] Jackafur: i thought maybe it was close [2015-04-07 14:45:27] Redslash: Yeah, ending directly above the active pillar... that would work, if only you could be farther left [2015-04-07 14:46:34 | Edited 14:46:57] SnesWarrior: I was able to reproduce that in one of the highlights I linked as well. I was pretty far to the left I think [2015-04-07 14:46:36] SnesWarrior: Maybe too far? [2015-04-07 14:47:58 | Edited 14:48:08] Redslash: The one where the gate opened but you couldn't see yourself, where you actually spawned was way off the map to the right (corresponding with above the 1999 bucket) [2015-04-07 14:50:24] SnesWarrior: Ah ok. Well dang. [2015-04-07 14:50:49] SnesWarrior: Guess we're gonna have to wait till the master Redslash shows us how it's done [2015-04-07 14:50:58] DrunkenDraconian: sneswarrior's first vid is exciting, that is a large space to move around in maybe a setup up there? [2015-04-07 14:51:06] SnesWarrior: I'm tired of landing in Bangor =P [2015-04-07 14:53:45] Redslash: We'll figure it out. I believe. [2015-04-07 14:54:01] Redslash: Here's coord viewer btw http://pastebin.com/1CEFwKM2 [2015-04-07 14:54:12] Redslash: Hitboxes are still kinda experimental, but it's getting there (check em out~) [2015-04-07 14:54:36] Jackafur: do you just throw it in a notepad file and name is .lua or something? [2015-04-07 14:54:40] Redslash: It should just download as a .lua, pretty sure [2015-04-07 14:54:46] Jackafur: ah ok [2015-04-07 14:55:17] Jackafur: you have a save file too? my saves dont work on 1.51rr [2015-04-07 14:55:42] Redslash: I also realized you can probably use your .srm, I'll throw a state up too tho [2015-04-07 14:56:58] Jackafur: thank you [2015-04-07 14:58:10] SnesWarrior: I guess i'll drop VC for now and switch to emu. Probably shoulda done that in the first place [2015-04-07 14:58:22] SnesWarrior: What folder do I slap that in after I download it? [2015-04-07 14:59:18] Jackafur: if you have 1.51rr you hit file, lua scripting and you can brorwse to the script [2015-04-07 14:59:44] SnesWarrior: awesome, thanks, im a complete noob to that kinda stuff [2015-04-07 14:59:56] Jackafur: yea me too no worries [2015-04-07 15:00:10] Jackafur: i only know that because I used a hitbox viewer for super metroid once [2015-04-07 15:00:24] Jackafur: when glitched any% was new [2015-04-07 15:01:47] Redslash: Save state http://bombch.us/4pZ [2015-04-07 15:01:53] Jackafur: thanks alot man [2015-04-07 15:02:10] Redslash: Np [2015-04-07 15:03:23] SnesWarrior: So if I can get P2,P3 to fall into a similar coord each time, do you think you can find me a good position to stand at the bucket, Red? And how specific are the coords? Can they be within a certain amt of pixels? Or is each x/y combination specific but they all fall into a limited number of outcomes? [2015-04-07 15:04:03] DrunkenDraconian: also what is XX'XX"XX? [2015-04-07 15:04:34] Redslash: Yeah, they're pretty specific... I wanna find some patterns though [2015-04-07 15:05:12] Redslash: Oh, that's the time you spent in the previous location/room, or previous battle =) [2015-04-07 15:05:17] DrunkenDraconian: the numbers above hold select [2015-04-07 15:05:28] DrunkenDraconian: ahh [2015-04-07 15:07:35 | Edited 15:08:22] Redslash: Oh and the bottom left is upcoming crits: 0 is no one crits, 7 is everyone crits. For example, Frog's rate is 5, so he can crit on a 5,6,or 7 [2015-04-07 15:10:40] Redslash: (with Hero Medal his rate is 2) [2015-04-07 15:18:41] Redslash: I should note the room timer doesn't work with save/load states yet, forgot to fix that =P [2015-04-07 15:28:47] Redslash: Anyway! I'm always open to suggestions on it, it's just the product of me messing around, lol [2015-04-07 15:41:07] Jackafur: video is processing [2015-04-07 15:41:11] Jackafur: hopefully this helps i dunno [2015-04-07 15:41:11] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvotOCkMw2U&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-07 15:41:18] Jackafur: its just a weird setup and a good zip [2015-04-07 15:41:25] Jackafur: with the lua script activated [2015-04-07 15:41:34] Jackafur: i dunno maybe we can see something from it [2015-04-07 15:41:55] Jackafur: i should probably record in the emu movie thingy but [2015-04-07 15:42:04] Jackafur: i have to turn it off every time i load a save state and its annoying [2015-04-07 15:43:22] Jackafur: seems like sneswarrior is right though. on the last one question. you press yes when player 3 lines up [2015-04-07 15:52:25] Will: otta, redslash, do you guys remember what you said about the crit rate values being in a chain? [2015-04-07 15:52:55] Will: bah, nevermind, just found it in your lua file dude :) [2015-04-07 16:09:36] Jackafur: SO [2015-04-07 16:09:38] Jackafur: err so [2015-04-07 16:09:43] Jackafur: i just did the right zip [2015-04-07 16:10:00] Jackafur: w/ the think magic setup [2015-04-07 16:10:05] Jackafur: and it sent me to bandor dome [2015-04-07 16:10:11] Jackafur: and it was for sure the right zip [2015-04-07 16:11:45] Redslash: Ahh dang, so that does happen on U then... cha0stwitch mentioned that to me before, I'd never seen it myself [2015-04-07 16:12:29] Jackafur: yea i dunno if that means other setups are bad [2015-04-07 16:12:35] Jackafur: ive only done it w/ chaos' setup [2015-04-07 16:12:44] Jackafur: this is the first time ive done with out his setup [2015-04-07 16:13:43] Jackafur: its a little harder to get 3p where you want w/ his setup though [2015-04-07 16:16:12] Redslash: Maybe it has to do with Lucca not breaking away too? really not sure [2015-04-07 16:16:23] Jackafur: no idea [2015-04-07 16:16:37] Jackafur: all i know is chaos setup is the only one ive gotten to work personally :\ [2015-04-07 16:16:41] Jackafur: so gonna stick w/ that for now [2015-04-07 16:18:06] Redslash: I'm gonna go ahead and... modify the coordinates in memory automatically, and test a ton of em [2015-04-07 16:18:14] Jackafur: word [2015-04-07 16:18:18] Redslash: Maybe learn something from it, maybe not [2015-04-07 16:22:41] Jackafur: got it again [2015-04-07 16:22:43] Jackafur: w/ chaos [2015-04-07 16:22:45] Jackafur: setup [2015-04-07 16:22:51] Jackafur: i think i can get this kind of consistantly [2015-04-07 16:22:57] Jackafur: i know exactly where robo needs to be [2015-04-07 16:23:01] Jackafur: and i know the menus now [2015-04-07 16:23:04] Jackafur: kinda [2015-04-07 16:23:10] Jackafur: its still hard as fuck getting the 3rd one [2015-04-07 16:23:31] Jackafur: ill post another video w/ the viewer on. unless you guys are getting sick of my vids? [2015-04-07 16:23:53] Jackafur: actually shit i wasnt recording lol [2015-04-07 16:23:59] Jackafur: well either way let me know if its getting annoying [2015-04-07 16:24:42] Redslash: Lol, I think the vids are good [2015-04-07 16:25:22] Redslash: Man... I'm actually hoping that like just even/odd are what matter for each member [2015-04-07 16:26:03] DrunkenDraconian: vids are great, anything helpful is good [2015-04-07 16:26:06] DrunkenDraconian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6samPEMpM [2015-04-07 16:26:10] DrunkenDraconian: ^ not helpful [2015-04-07 16:26:14] Jackafur: as far as I can tell 2nd text doesnt matter [2015-04-07 16:26:27] Jackafur: and 3rd text [2015-04-07 16:26:34] Jackafur: you wanna do it like sneswarrior suggested [2015-04-07 16:27:11] DrunkenDraconian: i've noticed a greater chance whe hitting a as soon as robo groups up too [2015-04-07 16:30:45] Redslash: That was based on tests from a while back. It can be 8 frames, but 4 is more common [2015-04-07 16:41:37] Jackafur: man [2015-04-07 16:41:52] Jackafur: someone needs to bring this shit to sockfolders attention or something [2015-04-07 16:42:14] Jackafur: or i just need to suck it up and get gud [2015-04-07 17:12:25] Jackafur: well shit [2015-04-07 17:12:35] Jackafur: i just got bangdor zip with good zips with chaos setup [2015-04-07 17:12:39] Jackafur: so now i dont know what to think [2015-04-07 18:04:42 | Edited 18:08:44] Redslash: Lol, I didn't know all the fights in Guardia Forest 600 are gone after Heckran, except bush and sparkle guys [2015-04-07 18:12:49] ElGranJerry: :O wow, really? lol [2015-04-07 18:12:57] SnesWarrior: That's a strange correlation. I guess they were part of heckran's crew encroaching on the castle? lol [2015-04-07 18:12:59] ElGranJerry: prolly save some frames for the next runs lmao [2015-04-07 18:17:03] Redslash: Well who knows, flag could even be set at the trial.. makes no difference tho, hah [2015-04-07 18:25:48 | Edited 18:25:57] Redslash: There's really nowhere else to check, huh? 600AD wooded areas are all you ever revisit [2015-04-07 18:29:22] Redslash: Nice of them to clear out the cathedral too, ha ha... getting S/A from there would've actually been a challenge [2015-04-07 18:31:56 | Edited 18:36:47] Redslash: I could've sworn Reptite Lair got cleared out, but I was wrong... oh, maybe after Lavos impact? [2015-04-07 18:37:09] Redslash: Aw, nope. Just the one room with Reptites in it [2015-04-07 18:38:29] Redslash: Lol... "Reptites burned. Good!" [2015-04-07 18:39:43] SnesWarrior: Wait... is that actual dialogue if you enter Rep. Lair with Ayla after that room clears? [2015-04-07 18:39:59] Redslash: Laruba villager X) [2015-04-07 18:40:07] SnesWarrior: Oh okay lol [2015-04-07 19:29:49] Redslash: Started recording coords and got 2 identical breakaways right off the bat, but no repeats since. I was excited for a moment [2015-04-07 19:33:33] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, i was breaking away on the portal side, less chance for variance in movement, still was different every time [2015-04-07 19:33:53] SnesWarrior: I had an idea to do one specific setup 100 times, and take the top 3 most landed on coords and try and make a setup for each, hoping maybe at least two are similar... Assuming im getting 3 at least semi consistently that is. [2015-04-07 19:43:23] Redslash: It's interesting you can break with purely vertical movement, but not horizontal [2015-04-07 19:47:00] Redslash: But vertical on it's own seems not enough, it'd be great to control for 1 dimension if it were [2015-04-07 23:16:17 | Edited 23:17:14] Redslash: Looks safe to say P2's coord doesn't matter, it's when group-up completes. Watching only P3 should be simpler [2015-04-08 0:28:24 | Edited 0:28:51] Redslash: I'll even assume just X-coord matters, since it's the larger distance traveled. Crono's Y has some effect but it's basically negligible too. So 2 numbers. [2015-04-08 3:19:11] Jackafur: got another one [2015-04-08 3:19:14] Jackafur: w/ hitbox viewer [2015-04-08 3:19:25] Jackafur: hopefully getting closer to being consistant [2015-04-08 3:19:26] Jackafur: http://youtu.be/8Mw-B9z_C1c [2015-04-08 3:19:51] Jackafur: also pretty sure i held A on 3rd dialog box [2015-04-08 3:20:19] Jackafur: I got this one after like 20 mins of tries too [2015-04-08 5:31:41] Jackafur: yoooo we in there. my fiance was doing the setup on VC. She got the good zip. I did the second half perfect but went to bangdor. Almost did it w/ no save states man. [2015-04-08 5:31:44] Jackafur: we totally in there [2015-04-08 6:27:29] Jackafur: spoke too soon apparently. now I either get good position with bad text boxes or bad positions with good text boxes. but im like right there [2015-04-08 6:46:53] DrunkenDraconian: so I'm watching Inici's old TAS. He does a LSS using save anywhere [2015-04-08 6:47:45] DrunkenDraconian: i don't get it yet, but I'm going to see if it is usefull [2015-04-08 6:48:18] Jackafur: wait how does he save any where [2015-04-08 6:48:24] Jackafur: doesnt it go away when thers a save spot present? [2015-04-08 6:48:53] DrunkenDraconian: well sort of save anywhere... [2015-04-08 6:48:56] DrunkenDraconian: http://tasvideos.org/2240S.html [2015-04-08 6:49:00] DrunkenDraconian: 18:30 ish [2015-04-08 6:49:15] DrunkenDraconian: he explains things at the bottom [2015-04-08 7:03:48] DrunkenDraconian: I just don't know if it requires the character swap or not.. [2015-04-08 7:27:07] Jackafur: If I can Ill try dicking around with the save thing [2015-04-08 7:27:47] DrunkenDraconian: i can't even get close to the save point, lol [2015-04-08 7:55:44] Jackafur: i keep 1999 first text box for some reason [2015-04-08 7:55:48] Jackafur: its driving me crazy [2015-04-08 7:56:34] DrunkenDraconian: 1999 first is because you mash i believe, one tap for 2300, then mash for 1999 2nd [2015-04-08 7:57:08] DrunkenDraconian: if you mash at first you trigger the bucket before 2300 has a chance to come up [2015-04-08 7:58:34] Jackafur: so close gaspar text [2015-04-08 7:58:38] Jackafur: and just hit once ? [2015-04-08 7:59:52] DrunkenDraconian: the way i see it: if you close gaspar text with one press either 2300 or 65 comes up (seems like 90% for 2300) [2015-04-08 8:00:52] DrunkenDraconian: if you mash while closing gaspar text you can trigger the bucket before 2300 comes up and it may come first [2015-04-08 8:01:25] Jackafur: i see [2015-04-08 8:01:31] Jackafur: thanks that helps alot [2015-04-08 8:01:32] DrunkenDraconian: basically you are triggering the 1999 bucket after closing 2300 [2015-04-08 8:01:39] DrunkenDraconian: by mashing [2015-04-08 8:01:45] DrunkenDraconian: afaik [2015-04-08 8:04:18] Jackafur: hmmm now i seem to get 65m bc 2nd boxt now [2015-04-08 8:04:26] Jackafur: like 2300 65 [2015-04-08 8:05:13] DrunkenDraconian: mash harder? lol [2015-04-08 8:05:26] Jackafur: so mash harder for second box [2015-04-08 8:05:30] Jackafur: alright ill give that a shot [2015-04-08 8:05:31] DrunkenDraconian: it sucks how little feedback there is [2015-04-08 8:06:04] DrunkenDraconian: i'm going by what feels true more than what is [2015-04-08 8:42:38] SnesWarrior: IIRC Jack, 1999 and 2300 first are both ok. Pretty sure either can get you a good LSS [2015-04-08 8:59:02] Redslash: You could also queue 1999 while 2300 is writing out, I think? [2015-04-08 11:39:30] Redslash: The window for 65M is actually the 4 or 8 frames after the frame that Crono turns around [2015-04-08 11:52:06] Jackafur: I dont have enough time for 1999 first though for my setup. I could probably do a different setup but ive only had success w/ 1 setup [2015-04-08 12:20:33] Redslash: Your team has a chance to not regroup with 1999, but 4th frame specifically is what you'd want, it looks like [2015-04-08 12:22:51] Redslash: Finally dissecting the taps for US, abd there was a really nice 2300 hidden in here, this's great [2015-04-08 12:25:28] Redslash: And it's by tapping as fast as you can to start, then holding for both 2300 and 1999...! [2015-04-08 12:25:51] ElGranJerry: http://www.twitch.tv/technicallywill <----- [2015-04-08 12:25:59] Redslash: But I'll do more checks yet, this is with Crono 228,138 [2015-04-08 12:26:12] Jackafur: im so close to getting this with no save states [2015-04-08 12:26:17] Jackafur: ive got all the peices [2015-04-08 12:26:33] Jackafur: but i either get on these tangents where I cant get the right text but correct position or vice versa [2015-04-08 12:38:48] Redslash: I'll post an example of the tap outcomes, so you can kinda see what's happening [2015-04-08 12:41:42] Jackafur: im so close its dumb [2015-04-08 12:41:48] Jackafur: i know every thing i need to do now [2015-04-08 12:42:11] Jackafur: w/ just a little luck ill do it with no save states today [2015-04-08 12:52:01] Redslash: Here's the entire outcome tree from where I was [2015-04-08 12:53:18] Redslash: According to this, there's a 1/4 chance that, with a rapid double-tap to start, you can just hold A for 1999 and 2300 =P [2015-04-08 12:53:42] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6OGIsR3BB0&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-08 12:53:48] Redslash: Because of that huge cluster of 8's [2015-04-08 12:53:49] Jackafur: might wanna turn down the volume a little on that one [2015-04-08 12:55:02] Will: awesome dude. [2015-04-08 12:55:15] Will: Redslash, do you have a writeup for en LSS yet? [2015-04-08 12:55:45] Jackafur: i think i can do that good enough for runs. I know every thing I gotta do to make it work [2015-04-08 12:55:46] Redslash: Freakin nice man, congrats! [2015-04-08 12:55:59] ElGranJerry: duuuuuuuude GG [2015-04-08 12:56:29] Jackafur: but seriously my fiance helped a fuck ton. she helped me w/ the setup and even with the bucket. she's getting pretty good at it too. [2015-04-08 12:59:16] ElGranJerry: sweet :) congrats man [2015-04-08 13:01:08] Jackafur: thanks jerry [2015-04-08 13:01:33] Jackafur: thanks for making those tutorials. i probably wouldnt have bothered w/ the game other wise [2015-04-08 13:02:13] SnesWarrior: Nice job Jack! I'll be expecting US WR by this weekend =) [2015-04-08 13:02:21] Jackafur: pfffft [2015-04-08 13:02:22] ElGranJerry: np man, glad you put them to good use [2015-04-08 13:02:38] ElGranJerry: I have a question though, what is your queue for closing the 2300 text? [2015-04-08 13:02:41] Jackafur: have you seen my menuing? its pretty bad lol [2015-04-08 13:03:09] Jackafur: dude for my setup i close gaspars text and just wait for the 2300 text to finish. then I mash A so 1999 comes up after 2300 [2015-04-08 13:03:25] Jackafur: like gaspar text. hit A once to close it. 2300 text comes in. Mash A. [2015-04-08 13:03:27] Jackafur: that's what I do [2015-04-08 13:03:32] SnesWarrior: Do you have a specific setup for getting in position before first talking to Gaspar? [2015-04-08 13:03:44] SnesWarrior: like so 2p and 3p are in the same spot everytime [2015-04-08 13:03:46] Jackafur: then for 3rd text box is really specific [2015-04-08 13:04:04] Jackafur: i use a visual cue for robo if he is out of bounds on the top [2015-04-08 13:04:35] Jackafur: I do chaos setup and I can get robo in the same spot pretty frequently [2015-04-08 13:04:40] Jackafur: which is top out of bounds [2015-04-08 13:04:51] SnesWarrior: Awesome, i'll check that out then [2015-04-08 13:05:07] Jackafur: im not sure what causes him to go top Oob [2015-04-08 13:05:17] Jackafur: but some times it doesnt work. I just try really hard to do it the same way every time [2015-04-08 13:05:37] Jackafur: i just use my videos as a reference. the hitbox viewer one spefically [2015-04-08 13:06:08] Jackafur: actually i used another video as a reference. let me upload it [2015-04-08 13:07:08] Jackafur: this is what I use for a reference. its spliced but it helped me do it the same way every time [2015-04-08 13:07:09] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egswx-1qdPE&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-08 13:08:02] Jackafur: i know he goes bottom in that vid [2015-04-08 13:08:18] Jackafur: but its what I used and then I started getting in a groove for him to go top. i dunno. [2015-04-08 13:08:40] Jackafur: also for that video im pretty sure i just held A for the 3rd text box. sorry for the wall of text [2015-04-08 13:10:26] Redslash: All good, really nice. [2015-04-08 13:10:30] Redslash: The grind paid off! [2015-04-08 13:10:38] Jackafur: yea dude [2015-04-08 13:10:44] Jackafur: the first time I did it just got lucky [2015-04-08 13:10:50] Jackafur: like I got it in 2 hours [2015-04-08 13:10:58] Jackafur: and just kept at it until I understood wtf I was doing [2015-04-08 13:11:01] Jackafur: took alot of work [2015-04-08 13:11:09] Jackafur: but whatever hopefully more people start doing it on english [2015-04-08 13:13:31] ElGranJerry: super noob q, but Ihave the textbox close on me sometimes before I go to the pillar area [2015-04-08 13:13:38] ElGranJerry: am I opening menu too early? [2015-04-08 13:14:09] Jackafur: when you're running up the stairs [2015-04-08 13:14:13] Jackafur: w/ gaspar text open [2015-04-08 13:14:19] Jackafur: open the menu right before it closes [2015-04-08 13:14:44] Jackafur: i get the menu open when gaspars text box is like 1/3 the full size [2015-04-08 13:15:02] SnesWarrior: Yeah, if you think you opened it early, you can wait for the textbox to fully show up again, and then run forward and open the menu really quick [2015-04-08 13:15:40] SnesWarrior: I think not staying in constant motion can effect your breakaways tho =/ [2015-04-08 13:16:03] ElGranJerry: aaah lmao, thanks I wasn't paying attention to that [2015-04-08 13:16:47] Redslash: I guess the JP route after BT can be used, probably slash instead of lightning Retinite... [2015-04-08 13:17:00] Redslash: Skip earring+stud too, heh [2015-04-08 13:17:22] Jackafur: speaking of retitnite. how bad is that fight with out swallow? [2015-04-08 13:18:02] Jackafur: and do you still fight the mobs in sunken desert [2015-04-08 13:18:05] SnesWarrior: shoot the fights before Ret are gonna be rougher too [2015-04-08 13:18:10] Redslash: I did a bunch of work on it, it's not too bad with Frog [2015-04-08 13:18:26] Redslash: Well, you skip the Desert fights X) [2015-04-08 13:18:38] SnesWarrior: oh right right, dont need the exp/tp [2015-04-08 13:18:49] Jackafur: d*ng im buying all the mid tonics now [2015-04-08 13:18:51] Jackafur: all of them [2015-04-08 13:19:47] Redslash: Robo in for Flea and stuff, Lucca for all Reptite/Tyrano lair... [2015-04-08 13:20:14] SnesWarrior: Half as many mid-ethers [2015-04-08 13:20:17] Redslash: Oh sorry Robo for Reptite [2015-04-08 13:20:57] Redslash: No I was right before, lol [2015-04-08 13:22:32] Redslash: And... Berserk for Masa could now be viable, maybe [2015-04-08 13:24:40 | Edited 13:25:09] SnesWarrior: Just realized since this is on U* the time for 100% can be dropped even more now too [2015-04-08 13:25:20] Redslash: 100% is still forced to fight shell, ha ha...~ [2015-04-08 13:25:28] SnesWarrior: whaat really? [2015-04-08 13:26:08] Redslash: Yeah, Black Omen dumps you there, no way out of it [2015-04-08 13:27:08] SnesWarrior: Ah I see. Well at least I can learn 100% then if I cant keep up with you LSS'ers =P [2015-04-08 13:27:50] Redslash: Well shoot, I like how now we don't know which version is faster, and it doesn't really matter cuz of the luck [2015-04-08 13:34:16] Redslash: If anyone gets sent to 2300 again with good zip I'd like to know. Hopefully it's rare enough not to worry about [2015-04-08 13:34:34] ElGranJerry: What does it mean if I get the 1st zip, start running and don't have time to get to the corner? [2015-04-08 13:34:44] ElGranJerry: I can get that pretty consistently lmao [2015-04-08 13:34:55 | Edited 13:35:08] SnesWarrior: That you're gonna be Bangin' in Bangor Dome [2015-04-08 13:35:03] ElGranJerry: for sure [2015-04-08 13:35:08] ElGranJerry: bangor is party room [2015-04-08 13:37:09] Redslash: Still too bad we can't LSS into that sealed door and get the wallet. Rip lowlevel [2015-04-08 14:11:51] ElGranJerry: 33 bad zips and 2 good zips right now lol [2015-04-08 14:11:57] ElGranJerry: I will try again after midterms [2015-04-08 14:12:24] ElGranJerry: "midterms" we got finals in 1 month lol [2015-04-08 15:31:30 | Edited 15:36:37] Redslash: Welp, coord still matters y'all. Everything else held constant, Robo's X 15F is good, 160 is bad [2015-04-08 15:32:10] Redslash: Bad as in, no matter what you do, it won't produce a good zip [2015-04-08 15:44:17] Redslash: Maybe we should invite cha0stwitch, he's hunting glitches =) [2015-04-08 15:45:31] SnesWarrior: I did see a tweet by him that he was going to try and ignore going for U LSS, but if he tweeted it then thats just an excuse for someone to convince him =P [2015-04-08 15:48:37] Redslash: It's kinda been a joke since, you know, LSS became a meme [2015-04-08 15:49:23] Redslash: He's a very subtle dude [2015-04-08 15:51:26] ElGranJerry: sure, I mean anyone you guys want to invite just add em [2015-04-08 15:59:19] Redslash: Ok, I'll go ahead then~ (unless someone's on it) [2015-04-08 16:02:10] eLmaGus: cant wait to add cha0stwitch on skype [2015-04-08 16:03:16] Redslash: I dunno if he uses it even, we'll find out [2015-04-08 16:03:24] Redslash: Ok he uses it [2015-04-08 16:08:24] Redslash: Heads up I might've invited the wrong cha0stwitch first, phone skype is good =)))) [2015-04-08 16:09:40] Redslash: I can't pick him out specifically until he adds me, so... [2015-04-08 16:10:30] Redslash: "cha0stwitch" with the same avatar, in case anyone else wants to try, lol =P [2015-04-08 16:18:44 | Edited 16:23:39] Redslash: Or else it's not possible to invite someone to a group if they aren't a contact.. yeah we good [2015-04-08 18:38:10] DrunkenDraconian: nice Jack! [2015-04-08 18:38:17] DrunkenDraconian: that's exciting [2015-04-08 18:38:39] DrunkenDraconian: i think more so that you knew you were getting closer [2015-04-08 18:39:03] DrunkenDraconian: the main thing i' [2015-04-08 18:40:10] DrunkenDraconian: I've been worrying about is that even using savestates to reload before gaspar might have some effect on the turnout [2015-04-08 18:56:13] Redslash: Only thing I've found that affects anything is the wooden gate. And that's just a P3 coordinate thing [2015-04-08 18:56:37] DrunkenDraconian: sweet [2015-04-08 18:58:22] DrunkenDraconian: I've got to get my cart up to there. Do some real practice [2015-04-08 19:10:52] Redslash: Welcome! [2015-04-08 19:12:54] cha0stwitch: yo [2015-04-08 19:13:10] DrunkenDraconian: hi [2015-04-08 19:13:15] ElGranJerry: sup [2015-04-08 19:18:25] cha0stwitch: nm [2015-04-08 19:19:47] Redslash: LSS fever the few couple days, I never expected we'd revisit it so soon [2015-04-08 19:20:35] cha0stwitch: not sure if there'd be too many, but is there a resource that has all of the glitches found in the game, even useless ones? [2015-04-08 19:21:53] Redslash: Hmm... lot of odd ones I learned from sources you linked me, tbh [2015-04-08 19:22:25] cha0stwitch: i think i know all of them, but someone might have stumbled upon something that had no use maybe [2015-04-08 19:24:42] Redslash: Let's see... trying to think of some new stuff we might've found recently [2015-04-08 19:25:36] Redslash: You heard about almost Retinite Skip? [2015-04-08 19:26:06] DrunkenDraconian: haha [2015-04-08 19:26:27] cha0stwitch: remember the name, cant remember what do [2015-04-08 19:27:10] Redslash: 4 frames you can trigger the fight but still have control, when he pops up again you lose control and run back across the room to him [2015-04-08 19:27:34] Redslash: We haven't fully explored it yet really [2015-04-08 19:30:00] DrunkenDraconian: when he pops up in the same spot you triggered him [2015-04-08 19:31:04] Redslash: Oh yeah that's right. The popup pattern I had though was twice in the same spot. [2015-04-08 19:31:27] Redslash: Only tried lower-left, not sure if other spawns work [2015-04-08 19:31:33] DrunkenDraconian: mine took almost 2 min depending [2015-04-08 19:32:17] Redslash: Haha, that's amazing. I barely had time to make it out the door [2015-04-08 19:33:04] DrunkenDraconian: i wonder if i still have the state. [2015-04-08 19:38:59] SnesWarrior: Yo, welcome cha0stwitch [2015-04-08 19:39:25] cha0stwitch: yo [2015-04-08 19:49:02 | Edited 19:49:16] Redslash: Not a glitch but I realized why sometimes you can't tuck behind the heal bucket. Ayla sitting there turns the passability on for that sprite [2015-04-08 19:50:06] ElGranJerry: Why can't the game be nice and give us the GreenDream when you fadeout Robo [2015-04-08 19:50:23] ElGranJerry: Flashback is (yawn) [2015-04-08 19:50:57] cha0stwitch: im making a lot of progress in getting stuck in every wall [2015-04-08 19:53:19] Redslash: Sick... I've taken S/A to Reptite Lair and done a bit of that [2015-04-08 19:58:21] Redslash: Cut 12 seconds off my Slash script, lol. Just by buying a 2nd Goldsuit while in the Porre shop [2015-04-08 20:02:54] Redslash: Still always get hit by 2 rats in Magic Cave and have to heal, because Robo has a helm on... but, it's faster than extra de-equip =P [2015-04-08 23:56:43] Redslash: Looks like for P3 it goes 6 good x-pixels, then 2 bad, 6 good, 2 bad... for some reason tho it'll shift, not sure why. Anyway, coulda been worse [2015-04-09 4:36:58] Jackafur: gettin alot of good zips that go to bangor today [2015-04-09 6:47:52] Jackafur: so now that LSS is potentially a thing on English. What's gonna happen w/ the route. Obviously it wont be exactly like J cause of unequip glitch. But you dont need haste on Marle any more so what are the changes? [2015-04-09 6:55:15] Jackafur: i guess the easiest change would just not put her in your party ever again after masamanue lol... but i dunno. routing wasnt ever my thing. [2015-04-09 7:18:51] ElGranJerry: it's basically 100% route up to BT? then idk [2015-04-09 7:20:02] ElGranJerry: but pretty sure you can cut some battles out, that would imply slash for BT [2015-04-09 7:20:42] DrunkenDraconian: berserk ayla for BT ^_^ [2015-04-09 7:22:27] ElGranJerry: I will leave that up to you guys, I am pretty much done with any% lol [2015-04-09 7:22:31] ElGranJerry: will watch from the sidelines [2015-04-09 8:16:13] Jackafur: yea i dont even know [2015-04-09 8:16:24] Jackafur: cause like I guess you dont really need marle for masa either [2015-04-09 8:16:50] Jackafur: but I wouldnt know how much that would change things [2015-04-09 8:16:56] Jackafur: or how that would affect RNG and stuff later [2015-04-09 8:17:03] Jackafur: im not like super familiar with the game [2015-04-09 8:18:14] Jackafur: I mean I guess putting in robo or something for masa wouldnt really mess up later boss fights right? [2015-04-09 8:18:20] Jackafur: like the magus castle fights? [2015-04-09 8:19:11] Jackafur: like maybe just do zerk robo for masa like JP does? [2015-04-09 8:19:14] Jackafur: fuck i dunno [2015-04-09 8:19:54] Jackafur: ive never watched a hundo run so maybe i should check that out [2015-04-09 8:27:41] ElGranJerry: It's a good watch [2015-04-09 8:28:21] Jackafur: you know what I think im gonna do for now [2015-04-09 8:28:25] Jackafur: until something gets establishe [2015-04-09 8:28:35] Jackafur: im just gonna play it normal. use marle in masa [2015-04-09 8:28:39] Jackafur: and just never use her again after that [2015-04-09 8:28:43] Jackafur: and do frog for retinite [2015-04-09 8:29:00] Jackafur: until someone comes up w/ something better or i think of something [2015-04-09 8:49:57] DrunkenDraconian: yeah once/if LSS becomes reliable. There will be a mad dash to cut time everywhere. skipping silver earring and stud, skip ethers here and there, skip fights in SD [2015-04-09 8:50:42] DrunkenDraconian: we really just need to find a way to glitch a green dream into our inv, then try and LSS after r-series [2015-04-09 9:03:07] Puwexil: are there any known glitches with cursor memory in CT? during my magus fight last night Robo's cursor somehow stayed on Item despite me using Rocket Punch [2015-04-09 9:03:26] Puwexil: so mashing A had me use a Mid Tonic instead of another Rocket Punch [2015-04-09 9:07:41] ElGranJerry: weird, I just checked that out [2015-04-09 9:08:00] ElGranJerry: Congrats on PB man, pretty good time [2015-04-09 9:12:16] Puwexil: thx - surprised I was able to come back from how bad the 1st half was [2015-04-09 9:12:53] Puwexil: only 1 black omen elevator battle definitely helped, though my boss orb luck wasn't very good [2015-04-09 9:14:20] ElGranJerry: dang, yeah I saw you were +2 at BT [2015-04-09 9:15:37] DrunkenDraconian: that is strange.... I don't remeber ever seeing that before. def a bug [2015-04-09 9:41:15] Jackafur: lol [2015-04-09 9:41:20] Jackafur: so this was probably just really lucky [2015-04-09 9:41:26] Jackafur: but i did a practice run w/ emu [2015-04-09 9:41:30] Jackafur: like saves states and stuff [2015-04-09 9:41:33] Jackafur: got up to LSS [2015-04-09 9:41:35] Jackafur: did it first try [2015-04-09 9:41:58] DrunkenDraconian: Pog [2015-04-09 12:23:22] Redslash: Wow, I got 65M-first a couple times in a row, haven't seen that in a long time [2015-04-09 13:03:21] Redslash: Lol, shoot... in place of 6 good 2 bad, you can get a pattern of 2 good 6 bad [2015-04-09 14:26:02] Redslash: JP Zerk Masa works on English, just gotta replace 2 Fires with 2 Flametoss. It still requires extra speedtab for Robo, which makes Slash a problem... I got a script that works for now though =P [2015-04-09 14:31:28] Redslash: I mean, I might as well not use it but it's fun X) [2015-04-09 14:50:02] Jackafur: I did a test run. I just played it normal until after masa [2015-04-09 14:50:14] Jackafur: any time marle was put in the party after that I just put in frog for exp [2015-04-09 14:50:18] Jackafur: it worked pretty good [2015-04-09 14:50:28] Jackafur: didnt really have any issues with retinite either [2015-04-09 15:25:53] Redslash: Hm, you can actually do a 3x attack strat on the Groupies with Robo, like you can with Marle. Meaning you could skip using the shelter right after Slash [2015-04-09 15:28:27 | Edited 15:30:48] Redslash: You still wait for Crono's 2nd turn to come up. Then instead of Marle crit left & Frog crit right, it's: Frog crit right, [slash Groupie] & Robo atk left. Just a little bit slow [2015-04-09 15:33:33] Redslash: And that's, yeah, with all normal tabs and equipment. I'll try to find a better Zerk Masa later [2015-04-09 16:02:35] Redslash: Oh I forgot, you don't need to menu at all after Ozzie, so shelter at Slash is still best [2015-04-09 16:30:16] Jackafur: btw [2015-04-09 16:30:20] Jackafur: i got it on VC [2015-04-09 18:19:22] Redslash: Dang, I just cannot get a Masa fight to end in 0D-2D with the berserker [2015-04-09 18:20:45 | Edited 18:21:45] Redslash: Since you have to menu to reload anyway, might as well put it on Crono, the fight goes much better because Robo is slow [2015-04-09 18:21:51] ElGranJerry: you could give robo a speed tab? [2015-04-09 18:22:07] ElGranJerry: i guess he would still be slower than C [2015-04-09 18:23:04] Redslash: Oh it works great with that tab, but then Slash is all screwed up, lol [2015-04-09 18:23:19] ElGranJerry: ah lmao, bummer [2015-04-09 18:23:59] Redslash: I think this Masa turned out well though, I'll put up an smv [2015-04-09 18:24:16] Redslash: I don't even hypnowave [2015-04-09 18:50:00] Redslash: Should be it https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxTHk5dF9qY3dhdjQ/edit?usp=docslist_api [2015-04-09 18:50:19] Redslash: (Pretty sure I shared it this time) [2015-04-09 18:51:21] Redslash: Not sure if I used too many Fires, I tried to find a balance [2015-04-09 19:12:45 | Edited 19:15:47] Redslash: Hmm... you'll also have to equip berserker after that goblin fight... fast-bright load, btw [2015-04-09 19:40:25] Redslash: Aww man, this was fast mash... please disregard [2015-04-09 20:43:59] Redslash: Oh dude. Got him stuck again. I hope this one works on console [2015-04-09 21:53:46] Redslash: This time it's for real! https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxeGdrRUJRMDlJZkE/edit?usp=docslist_api [2015-04-10 5:24:46] Jackafur: man I hate comcast [2015-04-10 5:25:06] Jackafur: they came out here and didnt fix any thing [2015-04-10 5:25:16] Jackafur: i have 100 mbps download and 0-2.4 upload [2015-04-10 5:25:21] Jackafur: like does that make any sense? [2015-04-10 7:34:20] ElGranJerry: not at all [2015-04-10 7:34:23] ElGranJerry: that is retarded [2015-04-10 7:36:08] DrunkenDraconian: upstream infrastructure in NA is just plain bad, instead of upgrading lines they skew the bandwidth too far towards the downstream [2015-04-10 7:38:26] ElGranJerry: true [2015-04-10 7:38:51] Jackafur: yea ive noticed. its abysmal and im pretty sure comcast just throttles every ones shit conviently to make there bandwith look good [2015-04-10 7:38:54] Jackafur: and just pocket the money [2015-04-10 7:39:02] Jackafur: i seriously wish i could dismantle comcast personally [2015-04-10 7:39:12] Jackafur: as soon as im working reguarly again im just getting fios [2015-04-10 7:40:37] ElGranJerry: sounds about right [2015-04-10 7:41:19] DrunkenDraconian: it's on it's way. Fibre-op just got put in on my street just last year, won the roll of living in a trial neighbourhood [2015-04-10 7:42:45] ElGranJerry: We got fibre here as well, but you gotta pay too much to "unlock" it as they call it [2015-04-10 7:43:01] ElGranJerry: I managed to bypass it for a few months then they just locked me again [2015-04-10 7:43:06] DrunkenDraconian: "unlock" [2015-04-10 7:43:06] ElGranJerry: stuck with 10 down [2015-04-10 7:43:13] DrunkenDraconian: pay to win :( [2015-04-10 7:43:23] ElGranJerry: yeah, and super expensive [2015-04-10 7:44:51] ElGranJerry: oh well, gonna try to strum for a bit [2015-04-10 7:44:53] ElGranJerry: cya guys [2015-04-10 10:06:01] SnesWarrior: http://theyetee.com/?utm_source=Yetee+newsletter&utm_campaign=7610e8e2d8-Robo%27s+Summer+Camp+%26+Y1K+Fair&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2160319e8a-7610e8e2d8-313154621 [2015-04-10 10:06:08] SnesWarrior: CT shirts on TheYetee today [2015-04-10 10:55:48] DrunkenDraconian: my poor wallet [2015-04-10 10:56:36] DrunkenDraconian: btw LSS confirmed on console [2015-04-10 11:00:52] Redslash: Yooo grats [2015-04-10 11:07:14 | Edited 11:13:23] Redslash: I got a 4xJuggler w/ Robo that's actually faster because no swaps (Slash-crit, Laser + Crono atk lowright, crit, atk, Laser) [2015-04-10 11:07:59] Redslash: Then played to the end and remembered trick is still hard as hell, lol [2015-04-10 11:23:50] DrunkenDraconian: i had a wierd one right before i got it. Good zip, enought time to hit the corner, but there was too much time and i went up past the spot. I think it was because i didn't wait for the ding beofre the 2nd character swap [2015-04-10 11:26:18] Redslash: And it sent you to 2300? I got one of those for the first time too [2015-04-10 11:26:39] DrunkenDraconian: yeah i think so [2015-04-10 11:27:09] DrunkenDraconian: i have a setup for sliding with a bit of a visual cue [2015-04-10 11:27:55] DrunkenDraconian: I'll stream and make a vid later [2015-04-10 11:30:51] Redslash: Cool. I've done SW's a bunch and getting used to it, doesn't work as well with Marle P3 tho, hah [2015-04-10 11:37:43] Redslash: If stuck-Masa works I'll try a "run"... LSS attempts with timed warmup [2015-04-10 11:38:10] DrunkenDraconian: stuck, like flea? [2015-04-10 11:51:21] Redslash: That, and moves around beneath Crono, lol [2015-04-10 11:51:36] Redslash: (The last link I posted is smv) [2015-04-10 11:58:38 | Edited 11:58:49] DrunkenDraconian: oh yeah, lol that happened to me once. Could never repeat it [2015-04-10 11:59:38] DrunkenDraconian: are there more bosses we can bug AI than Flea & Masamune? [2015-04-10 12:04:14] Redslash: The one other time it happened, I didn't have Disable Cheats checked, and even though it's just S/A it still broke [2015-04-10 12:04:30] Redslash: This time same thing, but I salvaged it [2015-04-10 12:04:55] Redslash: It really might not work on console, lol [2015-04-10 12:05:27] DrunkenDraconian: so he must have "random" movement and there is a channel between the characters he can find his way in? [2015-04-10 12:06:28] Redslash: He eventually does make it to Lucca, but it takes a long time [2015-04-10 12:08:03] Redslash: I have no idea how it works, but when he gets over to Robo and moves slightly down then left, I can tell he might get stuck [2015-04-10 12:08:50] DrunkenDraconian: i can't remember if it did happen on console or not for me. did got the half-non-skip at retinite on console ;) [2015-04-10 12:11:02] Redslash: Lmao first time for me was on console, I was so mad I hadn't hit record yet [2015-04-10 12:12:34] Redslash: Half non-skip, that's a better name [2015-04-10 12:14:02 | Edited 12:14:12] DrunkenDraconian: did you find a way to regain control during the grab? i tried some chest stuff and character swapping but to no avail [2015-04-10 12:15:43] Redslash: Mm I'll mess with it some more, keep forgetting [2015-04-10 12:29:41] Redslash: Power Meal is the key, I just know it [2015-04-10 12:30:57] DrunkenDraconian: lol [2015-04-10 12:33:27] Redslash: I wonder how the code is written that gives you the Powermeal? Stay at Dorino Inn, Marle must be in your party... [2015-04-10 12:33:33] DrunkenDraconian: you must have gotten some LSS attempts that zipped up, have you followed through to the area above right? i keep getting teleported to the shell but must be OOB because when i press x and come back i am in the default place. do you think any spoit up there might work to get the shell skip? like have a backup so we can increase the chances of getting one of the right zips instead of the only right one.. [2015-04-10 12:34:37 | Edited 12:35:33] Redslash: There's empty space up and to the right, but pretty sure there's none to the left [2015-04-10 12:35:08] Redslash: I think it's mostly the space you can walk in during the dev ending.. [2015-04-10 12:36:12] DrunkenDraconian: the portal over the shell must be one of 2 places a portal can appear on that map. I feels like it is close but may be way off [2015-04-10 12:36:23] Redslash: I dunno what happens if you're off the map, if there's really any such thing [2015-04-10 12:37:43] DrunkenDraconian: it's hard to hit the character select menu to preserve the cooords, it feels like 1-2 frames [2015-04-10 12:38:58] Redslash: I've never actually checked it, I'll go ahead and do that [2015-04-10 12:40:12] Redslash: The portal sprite or whatever is weird, it's still opening in the correct spot, but somehow a layer of it is relative to the screen [2015-04-10 12:44:45 | Edited 12:45:30] Redslash: But also, it's good to not be all the way in the lowleft corner, you can be a half tile or full tile above, the extra height you get during the final zip is helpful [2015-04-10 12:45:53 | Edited 12:46:04] DrunkenDraconian: I'll try to remember. I get tunnelvision when I get that far [2015-04-10 12:47:51] Redslash: Hehe yeah, practice that movement, you can line up with the 2300 pillar and press straight left into the wall [2015-04-10 12:47:58] Jackafur: I wanna try LSS in a run but im waiting for my internet to stop being shit [2015-04-10 12:48:04] Jackafur: i gotta work on LSS more any way [2015-04-10 12:48:18] Jackafur: what setup to do you do DrunkenDraconian? [2015-04-10 12:56:44] DrunkenDraconian: gaspar to text preserve OC top right corner OC go around counter clockwise OC in each corner. make 1.5 rotations ending in the lower left. OC. WALK into portals holding A, wait for all text to apear run to bucket. the visual cue is robo moving up left in sync with crono. I've been running with whatever I get. You eventually get a feel for it, sometimes i don't do all 6 walls, maybe 5 depending on how robo moves. It feels good when he is standing over the Spekkio door. [2015-04-10 12:57:22] Jackafur: yea i try different stuff [2015-04-10 12:58:15] Jackafur: the one setup i use some times I end up having lucca as a visual [2015-04-10 12:58:16] Jackafur: it works too [2015-04-10 12:58:52] Jackafur: so is yours like the "think magic" setup or whatever? [2015-04-10 12:59:03] Jackafur: or do you do each corner in the pillar area? [2015-04-10 12:59:04] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, watching when crono skips animation frames you can start to tell when you are bang on or not [2015-04-10 12:59:15] DrunkenDraconian: pillar area [2015-04-10 12:59:22] Jackafur: gotcha [2015-04-10 12:59:28] Jackafur: this is what ive been messing w/ [2015-04-10 12:59:29] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHswsO0YKlE&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-10 13:00:00] Jackafur: the video is spliced. ive done it on VC though. I would of done it on cart but I didnt feel like getting an appropriate save [2015-04-10 13:00:58] DrunkenDraconian: I think the most important part is the mash for 1999 into the perfect close when robo groups up [2015-04-10 13:01:07] DrunkenDraconian: after that it's rng mostly [2015-04-10 13:01:12] Jackafur: yea [2015-04-10 13:01:41] Jackafur: i keep thinking im on to something consistant and I just end up in the same place [2015-04-10 13:04:40] Redslash: What I wanted to do, was try to look at Robo's pixel before engaging the bucket and have a quick final adjustment in case it's in a bad window [2015-04-10 13:04:48] Redslash: But not quite there yet [2015-04-10 13:05:17] Jackafur: well if you find out an ything cool let me know [2015-04-10 13:06:23] Redslash: Absolutely [2015-04-10 13:09:19] DrunkenDraconian: if there is some way to move 2 tiles left when bad zipped to top corner it would work [2015-04-10 13:09:59] Jackafur: i wish we could get it to work w/ bad zip [2015-04-10 13:10:02] DrunkenDraconian: it looks like you would run down through the door trigger [2015-04-10 13:10:42] Redslash: Yeah [2015-04-10 13:24:01] Ottavino: sorry Red, your new masamune strat doesn't work on VC, neither on dolphin :( [2015-04-10 13:27:00] Redslash: Aww, I figured... bet it won't work on SNES either. I'll have to make another one :) [2015-04-10 13:28:04] Ottavino: yeah it's unfortunate, it was a fun strat [2015-04-10 13:34:36] Redslash: I might put it in a theory TAS for now. Gotta make one for J and for U, to compare [2015-04-10 13:41:05] Redslash: Then stream em side-by-side, that'd be a blast [2015-04-10 13:54:53] DrunkenDraconian: 2 games 1 controller? [2015-04-10 13:55:30] Redslash: Oh dang [2015-04-10 13:56:48] Redslash: Routing that would be... fun... [2015-04-10 14:03:31] Redslash: Don't even know how that'd look optimized, lol... I guess normally you'd pause a lot [2015-04-10 14:35:57] DrunkenDraconian: have you watched the ff5+6 2 game 1 set of inputs tas? [2015-04-10 14:44:52] Redslash: Didn't know that a thing, I've just heard of mmx1+2 [2015-04-10 18:17:09] Redslash: *was [2015-04-10 20:52:51] Redslash: Aw dude, since you get S/A from the heal bucket, you don't need to heal on your first visit to EoT [2015-04-11 0:14:48] Redslash: Oh hey this Masa is also cake skip, if you slash the Evilweevils quickly [2015-04-11 6:53:28] Jackafur: you guys [2015-04-11 6:53:33] Jackafur: ive gotten it like [2015-04-11 6:53:38] Jackafur: 10 times within 30 mins [2015-04-11 6:53:40] Jackafur: I have a setup [2015-04-11 7:54:03] cha0stwitch: nice job [2015-04-11 10:47:32] Jackafur: thanks chaos [2015-04-11 10:47:42] Jackafur: the first time I got it was doing it your way [2015-04-11 10:47:44] Jackafur: so thanks [2015-04-11 10:48:01] Jackafur: ive just been trying different shit based from your setup [2015-04-11 10:48:33] cha0stwitch: nice [2015-04-11 10:48:47] cha0stwitch: I just saw it on the tas, and randomly did stuff until it worked lol [2015-04-11 10:49:04] cha0stwitch: good to know it can be done consistently [2015-04-11 10:49:25] Jackafur: at least semi. when I first came up with that setup I got it like 10 times within 30-60 mins [2015-04-11 10:49:34] Jackafur: but im having some trouble setting it up the same way so [2015-04-11 10:49:40] Jackafur: but whatever im sure ill come up with something [2015-04-11 10:49:48] cha0stwitch: I believe [2015-04-11 13:55:31] Jackafur: so im starting to lose my touch with this setup. I dunno why. Felt like I was getting down [2015-04-11 13:55:56] Jackafur: any way heres a compilation of a bunch I did all pretty close to each other. maybe you guys can piece it together or some shit i dunno [2015-04-11 13:55:56] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_va-FSYahEo&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-11 14:43:57] Puwexil: does 0.4-0.7 for the reverse bird skip load just mean loading when the save screen finishes fading in, or is it more complicated? [2015-04-11 14:44:12] Jackafur: i think its a bright load [2015-04-11 14:44:23] Jackafur: basically as soon as it loads all the way [2015-04-11 14:44:28] Jackafur: like a split moment after that [2015-04-11 14:44:37] Jackafur: its when the load screen is at its brightest pretty much [2015-04-11 14:44:52] Jackafur: at least i think its a bright load. I dont know i just know the timing in my head. [2015-04-11 14:45:55] DrunkenDraconian: reverse bird skip is a bit later than bright [2015-04-11 14:57:02] DrunkenDraconian: like a bright load with a hesitation [2015-04-11 15:14:52] Redslash: What we normally call bright is actually 2 windows combined, that load is specifically the 2nd bright window [2015-04-11 15:15:46] Redslash: I like to call it "double-bright", like count 2 beats instead of 1 [2015-04-11 19:39:38] cha0stwitch: itd be great if this J file that 0xa has wasn't the result of battery going haywire [2015-04-11 21:23:32 | Edited 21:27:05] ElGranJerry: I do a double tap for the .4-.7 starting when the screen appears completely but the 1st tap I don't actually hit the buton, that works for me [2015-04-11 22:31:54] Puwexil: nice - I'll have to try that [2015-04-11 22:45:47] eLmaGus: you can say "speedrun" when the screen appears and hit the button (yes i have done that and it works) [2015-04-12 7:22:26] Obdajr: I get the reverse bird skip every time by starting a timer when I hit A and loading on 2.2 seconds [2015-04-12 7:22:55] Obdajr: same timing for ocean palace golem twin back up [2015-04-12 8:55:24] Jackafur: do you guys know if you get a bad its because of bad postioning or bad timing with the text boxes? [2015-04-12 8:55:32] Jackafur: bad zip* that is [2015-04-12 9:43:29] SnesWarrior: Should be just text box timing. If you time the very last textbox wrong (65M) you get an up zip. But I believe you can just get unlucky and the frame you choose your 1st Yes/No textbox will cause a group up or etc that will cause a bad zip [2015-04-12 9:45:12] Jackafur: i was just wondering cause i was getting a lot of bad zips and was wondering If it was just bad timing or what [2015-04-12 9:45:14] Jackafur: thanks [2015-04-12 17:45:23] Jackafur: so I tried to do a run w/ LSS [2015-04-12 17:45:31] Jackafur: I saved like 7 mins at retitnite lol [2015-04-12 17:45:43] Jackafur: I got it once perfect and it sent me to bandor [2015-04-12 17:45:51] Jackafur: and it was just 30 mins of LSS attempts after and I stopped [2015-04-12 17:45:55] Jackafur: it was pretty heartbreaking [2015-04-12 17:47:13] DrunkenDraconian: LSS is ultimate Kappa [2015-04-12 17:47:39] Jackafur: fucking LSS [2015-04-12 17:47:49] Jackafur: chrono trigger is my dick and LSS is my balls [2015-04-12 17:50:37] cha0stwitch: lol [2015-04-12 17:50:54] cha0stwitch: when you get it, it will be a great moment [2015-04-13 16:07:34] Will: n honor of the 20th anniversary of the beloved Squaresoft (now Square Enix) Super Famicom game, Chrono Trigger, composer Yasunori Mitsuda – who created the music for the game – will perform special live concert events on July 25 and July 26, 2015, at the Tokyo Globe Theater in Shinjuku. [2015-04-13 16:09:44] Jackafur: heres an LSS i did on console [2015-04-13 16:09:47] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCxb_wlhZnY&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-13 16:10:17] Jackafur: its probably a postional thing but it seems like I have the most success hitting A on the last textbox when robos eyes are past cronos hair [2015-04-13 16:10:18] Jackafur: https://imgur.com/m82InIH [2015-04-13 17:43:37] ElGranJerry: concert Kreygsam, that should be great [2015-04-13 17:43:47] ElGranJerry: and nice jack, did ur internet get better? [2015-04-13 17:58:25] Redslash: Man, the stupid "We're Back" ending... had the idea that if we did BiT and escaped the Factory we could still get it, since EoT unlocks the next ending... [2015-04-13 17:59:41] Redslash: But no, you can only get it in storyline range 27-2C, Trial is already too late [2015-04-13 18:41:04] Redslash: All Endings without even losing Crono... so close yet so far [2015-04-13 19:30:11] eLmaGus: friends anybody got some videos on heckran skip [2015-04-13 19:30:22] eLmaGus: twitch.tv/andyperfect <- currently there [2015-04-13 19:30:24] eLmaGus: for the first time ever [2015-04-13 19:35:14] Redslash: Oh, I'm gonna invite 0xA101 =) [2015-04-13 19:36:01] ElGranJerry: there is my tutorial magus [2015-04-13 19:36:01] ElGranJerry: on youtube [2015-04-13 19:36:06] ElGranJerry: it goes through there [2015-04-13 19:36:18 | Edited 19:36:26] ElGranJerry: it only does the ez method though [2015-04-13 19:36:34] ElGranJerry: Welcome 0xA101 :) [2015-04-13 19:36:40] eLmaGus: word up [2015-04-13 19:37:00] ElGranJerry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVPiVcA2oOw [2015-04-13 19:37:11] 0xA101: hi hello thank you! [2015-04-13 19:38:25] ElGranJerry: I can't watch sadly, internet sucks atm :/ [2015-04-13 19:38:26] eLmaGus: i found your zombor tutorial jerry [2015-04-13 19:38:32] eLmaGus: no worries [2015-04-13 19:38:44] eLmaGus: he is just like me though banging his head against the wall [2015-04-13 19:39:13] ElGranJerry: hehe, sounds good :) Hopefully he has an ez time with that [2015-04-13 19:45:12] ElGranJerry: pretty cool lots of people are picking the game up [2015-04-13 19:46:24] eLmaGus: cant wait for the weekly races [2015-04-13 19:46:34] 0xA101: I've been meaning to pick this category up for at least a year and a half so I'm glad I'm finally like, doing this [2015-04-13 19:46:41] 0xA101: ng+ isn't enough [2015-04-13 19:47:23] eLmaGus: i just hope i will get a working SFC controller in my mail this time so i can get back to the game [2015-04-13 19:47:33] eLmaGus: i really need a controller with a working start button [2015-04-13 19:48:15] 0xA101: yeah that's rough :c I need to get a new controller soon as well, the L button on mine doesn't register inputs unless I press on a specific part of the button [2015-04-13 19:49:41] ElGranJerry: I know the feel, my controllers R button is pretty special as well lol [2015-04-13 19:50:26] ElGranJerry: I already got 2 snes controllers ready to go though, just need to find a cheap cart and back into it [2015-04-13 19:50:45] ElGranJerry: bought snes + 2 controllers and cables for $15 lol [2015-04-13 19:50:50] ElGranJerry: works perfectly [2015-04-13 19:51:07] cha0stwitch: dang [2015-04-13 19:51:29] cha0stwitch: though I bought mine on a schoolyard for 25, pretty much same [2015-04-13 19:51:44] eLmaGus: on a schoolyard? [2015-04-13 19:51:49] eLmaGus: what the heck is going on in canada [2015-04-13 19:52:00] eLmaGus: the land of my dreams [2015-04-13 19:52:38] cha0stwitch: someone I knew during my highschool years said he had one, and I said i'd buy it for 25 dollars, so he brought it to school [2015-04-13 19:52:40] cha0stwitch: not as cool [2015-04-13 19:53:27] eLmaGus: dang [2015-04-13 19:53:29] eLmaGus: still cool [2015-04-13 19:53:40] ElGranJerry: pretty nice man [2015-04-13 19:53:46] cha0stwitch: also how I got a Nintendo from someone else [2015-04-13 19:53:49] cha0stwitch: but that thing broke [2015-04-13 19:56:08] ElGranJerry: one thing, for 100% the BT fight without silverstud seems to be around 12s slower on average (8s being the closest I can come to that) [2015-04-13 19:56:36] eLmaGus: you should still come out ahead [2015-04-13 19:56:37] eLmaGus: overall [2015-04-13 19:57:04] ElGranJerry: maybe, I am not so sure anymore [2015-04-13 19:57:21] eLmaGus: well getting the Silver Stud is falling down, going back up, 3 screen transitions [2015-04-13 19:57:23] eLmaGus: it adds up [2015-04-13 19:57:30] ElGranJerry: it's 23-25s [2015-04-13 19:57:35] ElGranJerry: approx [2015-04-13 19:57:45] ElGranJerry: 25-30 if you go slow [2015-04-13 19:58:02] eLmaGus: yes so i dont see the issue [2015-04-13 19:58:05] eLmaGus: ; > [2015-04-13 19:58:59] ElGranJerry: giga gaia fight is also 3-5 s slower [2015-04-13 19:59:12] ElGranJerry: and also golem twins, just a bit, but I haven't got there yet [2015-04-13 19:59:26] Puwexil: I found no difference in that fight [2015-04-13 19:59:48] Puwexil: if you shelter before getting on the elevator, ayla will have enough MP for golem twins [2015-04-13 20:00:14] ElGranJerry: during Masa skip? [2015-04-13 20:00:20] Puwexil: yes [2015-04-13 20:00:48] ElGranJerry: kk, the rest should be the same so yeah it is faster by a bit [2015-04-13 20:00:53] ElGranJerry: just wanted to be 100% sure lol [2015-04-13 20:01:00] ElGranJerry: I feel the 1:50 Magus now [2015-04-13 20:01:15] Puwexil: oh, I finally realized what the point of silver earring was in ottavino's route [2015-04-13 20:01:31] Puwexil: to set up ayla's HP for yakra xiii, without having to mid tonic [2015-04-13 20:01:54] ElGranJerry: oh, I see [2015-04-13 20:02:02] ElGranJerry: so if you skip it just add a mid tonic there ? [2015-04-13 20:03:15] Puwexil: yeah, could probably combine it with the giant's claw menu to save a sec or two [2015-04-13 20:03:31] Puwexil: vs doing it after party changing before entering the courtroom [2015-04-13 20:04:54] ElGranJerry: we need to put that in the route then [2015-04-13 20:04:59] ElGranJerry: also, the son of sun fight changes? [2015-04-13 20:05:10] ElGranJerry: or she survives [2015-04-13 20:05:11] Puwexil: it's exactly the same without silver earring [2015-04-13 20:05:19] Puwexil: ayla survives with ~20 HP [2015-04-13 20:05:20] ElGranJerry: kk, pretty cool [2015-04-13 20:06:43] Puwexil: something else I want to test is having ayla die to dalton instead of crono [2015-04-13 20:07:31] Puwexil: that should put crono at lvl 21 for ocean palace even with skipping both beast battles, which means don't need to ether on the elevator [2015-04-13 20:11:01] ElGranJerry: interesting [2015-04-13 20:11:04] ElGranJerry: that'd be pretty cool [2015-04-14 1:58:25] eLmaGus: i tried Ayla + Frog with Berserker on BT just now 8) it was fun [2015-04-14 4:37:42] Jackafur: jerry: i know you asked this like 12 hours ago but my internet is still messed up [2015-04-14 6:45:01] Jackafur: so I know Ive thrown like 100 different setups at you guys with a 100 differnt videos [2015-04-14 6:45:05] Jackafur: but this seems pretty good [2015-04-14 6:45:10] Jackafur: its like chaos setup [2015-04-14 6:45:20] Jackafur: just slightly different at the start [2015-04-14 6:45:22] Jackafur: https://youtu.be/kpE4rA6T1MU [2015-04-14 6:45:50] Jackafur: seems like if robo is stuck in the UL gate and you close the last text box when robos eyes are past cronos hair [2015-04-14 6:45:52] Jackafur: its good [2015-04-14 7:58:30] Redslash: Awesome, Jack [2015-04-14 7:59:59] Redslash: I considered asking you to try with Marle as P3, since it's fast to open the Forest gate directly after getting 2nd elixir [2015-04-14 8:00:16] Jackafur: i can try with marle [2015-04-14 8:00:21] Jackafur: i dunno i just always used robo for good luck lol [2015-04-14 8:01:01] Redslash: Probably no better cue than Robo's eyes though [2015-04-14 8:01:07] Redslash: Looks really good [2015-04-14 8:01:32] Jackafur: the only other thing too is that I use marle just standing there as a cus as well [2015-04-14 8:01:41] Jackafur: when im going diag SE [2015-04-14 8:03:58] Redslash: Right on yeah. You get different breakaways too, since where the NPCs are changes things a bit [2015-04-14 8:06:38] Jackafur: ok i got one w/ marle just now [2015-04-14 8:06:41] Jackafur: 1 sec ill make a vid [2015-04-14 8:07:25] Jackafur: it was a little sketchy but it worked [2015-04-14 8:08:19] Jackafur: this one has a decent cue actually [2015-04-14 8:08:24] Jackafur: ill point it out when i post the vi [2015-04-14 8:08:25] Jackafur: vid [2015-04-14 8:10:16] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT71e3AiJ0Q& [2015-04-14 8:10:20] Jackafur: if you look when I get to the bucket [2015-04-14 8:10:45] Jackafur: marle is right next to robo. I missed it first try by a frame? cause I got the right zip but couldnt open menu. second try I nailed it. [2015-04-14 8:11:36] Jackafur: ill probably dub over one of these and explain into detail what I look for when I set these up [2015-04-14 8:11:43] Jackafur: cause theres a lot of little things. [2015-04-14 8:17:50] Redslash: That'd be pretty cool [2015-04-14 8:18:46] Jackafur: like I dont know what things are arbitrary and what isnt [2015-04-14 8:18:55] Jackafur: but I have an idea for what Im looking for during each part [2015-04-14 8:19:35] Jackafur: like for instance when I go talk to the bucket [2015-04-14 8:20:01] Jackafur: I try to time it out so that I talk to the bucket as soon as gaspar texts ends. so like when the period comes up I hit A and im talking to the bucket [2015-04-14 8:20:17] Jackafur: pretty sure its unnecesary but I always do it [2015-04-14 8:27:44] Redslash: Actually makes sense, I've never tried to time that one [2015-04-14 9:02:05] Jackafur: I gotta work on doing crono, lucca, robo for masa [2015-04-14 9:02:09] Jackafur: i saw your vieo [2015-04-14 9:02:10] Jackafur: video [2015-04-14 9:02:14] Jackafur: i just gotta make boss notes for it [2015-04-14 9:02:25] Jackafur: next time I do a run im gonna try to LSS [2015-04-14 9:02:31] Jackafur: but ill probably just do the route normally [2015-04-14 9:02:37] Jackafur: until I learn masa w/ robo [2015-04-14 9:10:03] Jackafur: alright heres the best I could to explain this shit [2015-04-14 9:10:04] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFATiFoBr5U& [2015-04-14 9:10:13] Jackafur: its a little choppy but [2015-04-14 9:15:41] Will: thanks for the videos jackafur, they're helping me understand it bit by bit [2015-04-14 9:17:13] Jackafur: yea np [2015-04-14 9:17:22] Jackafur: ive just been going ham hoping I could piece together myself [2015-04-14 9:49:45] DrunkenDraconian: i just softlocked in LSS, lawl [2015-04-14 9:52:32] DrunkenDraconian: have you ever had robo slide so far up he comes from the botom? I'm guessing I had him in a limbo pixel between tob and bottom [2015-04-14 11:37:07] Jackafur: mmm im not sure if Ive done that or not but I probably have [2015-04-14 11:37:22] Jackafur: I dunno ive had him come directions I wasnt expecting before [2015-04-14 11:38:17] DrunkenDraconian: it was strange. it took him a min to get on screen then he just got stuck right beside Crono and could not group up [2015-04-14 12:00:22] Redslash: I think I'll route some All Endings today... back-in-time glitch should let us skip through the story fast, just gotta find all the shortcuts [2015-04-14 12:05:21 | Edited 12:05:30] DrunkenDraconian: it is strange though, some triggers can't reset [2015-04-14 12:06:26] Redslash: You keep the flying Epoch, right? I hope I'm remembering that correctly [2015-04-14 12:06:50] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, bit it is easy to lose [2015-04-14 12:09:06] Redslash: Ah dang. Yeah it's gonna take some work [2015-04-14 12:13:22 | Edited 12:14:06] Redslash: Like, I hope we can skip some major bosses/sections. For example, if you can fly to Tyrano Lair after giving Frog the repaired Masamune, and rescue Kino from the cell... [2015-04-14 12:15:17] DrunkenDraconian: man, i've almost gotten LSS a few times now, keep on missing the target and spawing just below the trigger [2015-04-14 12:18:03] DrunkenDraconian: worked that time ;) [2015-04-14 12:18:32] Redslash: Haha sick, grats dude [2015-04-14 12:19:03] Redslash: Have you been trying that thing to get extra height? [2015-04-14 12:19:29] DrunkenDraconian: i'm trying [2015-04-14 12:19:41] Redslash: The mash is pretty tight, even so [2015-04-14 12:19:52] DrunkenDraconian: is it his last x,y coord of the last time you open the menu? [2015-04-14 12:20:22] Redslash: Yeah [2015-04-14 12:20:41] Jackafur: ive gotten LSS a bunch of times and it still drives me crazy [2015-04-14 12:21:24 | Removed 12:30:36] DrunkenDraconian: This message has been removed. [2015-04-14 12:33:09] DrunkenDraconian: wow, first ry on console.... what a troll [2015-04-14 12:34:41] DrunkenDraconian: can you open the menu and not have it come up? i seemed like i failed the last mash [2015-04-14 12:36:30] Redslash: Sometimes seems like that happens, it might be a thing [2015-04-14 12:38:37] Redslash: Actually have an idea about that, let's check.. [2015-04-14 12:58:11 | Edited 12:59:02] Redslash: I always thought that if you didn't menu late enough, you'd just spawn through the gate as normal. But menuing at all while zipping up (facing forward) keeps that coordinate, until you overwrite it with another menu [2015-04-14 12:58:38] Redslash: In fact, one pixel above the middle pillar (65M) is high enough [2015-04-14 12:59:50] Redslash: The white circle, that is [2015-04-14 13:02:15] Redslash: So starting higher with the zip is more about how much time you get [2015-04-14 13:16:27] DrunkenDraconian: the 2 finger mash on x & y seems to even out things [2015-04-14 13:19:49] Jackafur: yea the X and Y mash is a pretty legit strat [2015-04-14 14:11:26] Redslash: Oh cool, in the CT Database at http://geigercount.net/crypt, the Game Notes file says that the guilty verdict is a 7 in 15 chance [2015-04-14 14:12:46] Redslash: And this file also has all the storyline counter values. I started collecting them, but this looks complete [2015-04-14 14:19:08] Redslash: It's funny that we actually skip from 54 (using Truce pillar after first unlocking it) straight to 60 (get broken blade after Masa) [2015-04-14 14:53:42] Redslash: Actually, that's a good find right there. Just using that pillar is what unlocks the "Legendary Hero" ending [2015-04-14 15:54:18] DrunkenDraconian: I've created an interesting game of tag. Robo is chasing Crono around EOT. once he catches him we teleport to Lavos. [2015-04-14 17:12:47] 0xA101: yo that lss explanation was really good, I'm gonna give it a shot myself now [2015-04-14 17:41:46] Redslash: Uhh, I somehow killed Dalton on the Epoch, instead of making him teleport... [2015-04-14 17:42:28] DrunkenDraconian: about time that guy got his [2015-04-14 17:42:38] Redslash: Looked pretty canon to me [2015-04-14 17:43:12] SnesWarrior: That's freaking awesome lol [2015-04-14 17:43:50] DrunkenDraconian: are you in back in time? [2015-04-14 17:43:51] 0xA101: nice, good work, make it happen every time [2015-04-14 17:46:14] Redslash: I think my game was just glitching out though, got a crash while Blackbird was exploding [2015-04-14 17:47:59] Redslash: Not back in time yet [2015-04-14 17:48:42] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, the blackbird is a softlock in BIT, careful [2015-04-14 18:13:07] Redslash: Trying to decide whether to wreck Black Omen asap with Berserk Magus or not... Crono still gets 75% exp while dead, lol [2015-04-14 18:18:12 | Edited 18:25:04] Redslash: Cool setup on Death Peak to get 6 eggs in 1 fight. There's a single little horizontal wall on the slope, where you can press straight Up against. Wait there and catch the 4th egg (up+left) [2015-04-14 18:43:12] Redslash: Apparently you need Crono, to back-in-time... [2015-04-14 18:43:39] DrunkenDraconian: makes sense [2015-04-14 18:44:12] DrunkenDraconian: #fadeoutMarle [2015-04-14 19:02:55] Redslash: Pfff I dunno what's going on now. Haven't unlocked NG+ yet but the telepod is sparkling [2015-04-14 19:14:06] Redslash: Yay, Kino's in Tyrano Lair [2015-04-14 19:14:18] Redslash: Kinda talks to himself and just walks out through the bars [2015-04-14 19:53:34] Redslash: I remembered what you mean by careful, DD... don't go to Earthbound Village X) [2015-04-15 10:02:42] Jackafur: man [2015-04-15 10:02:51] Jackafur: im still mad that I got it but messed up the 3rd part [2015-04-15 10:03:02] Jackafur: I Got it kind of fast and then couldnt get it at all for like 30 minutes lol [2015-04-15 10:03:04] Jackafur: that shit sucked [2015-04-15 10:34:02] EssentiaFour: Hey, so I'm really terrible at the bird skip in Truce Canyon. Can anyone give me some tips? Most importantly, is there a timing element to it? [2015-04-15 10:36:09] DrunkenDraconian: I walk along the bottom of the bridge, you need to get your toe just past it and run up. think of it like the 2 skips in dactyl's nest [2015-04-15 10:36:41] EssentiaFour: It seems that when I do that, sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't [2015-04-15 10:36:49] EssentiaFour: that's why I was wondering if there was a timing element to it [2015-04-15 10:37:23] DrunkenDraconian: there might be some sub pixel thing, not sure. I know what you mean. [2015-04-15 10:37:29] Jackafur: 1 sec i have a visual cue for the bridge [2015-04-15 10:37:54] DrunkenDraconian: I do notice sometimes it just doesn't work [2015-04-15 10:38:32] Puwexil: I try to get crono's foot on the black line between the last bridge plank and the cliff edge, then go up [2015-04-15 10:38:48] DrunkenDraconian: I thought it was from the varying distances in the run animation, leading to not getting pushed far enough past the trigger during the step [2015-04-15 10:39:23] SnesWarrior: Also if your not all the way up or down, the skip can randomly fail. [2015-04-15 10:41:36] EssentiaFour: I remember watching a Japanese run a few years ago that walked to the point Puwexil mentioned, and then walked down (and was pushed left by the slope) a tiny bit before walking up to do the skip [2015-04-15 10:42:59] SnesWarrior: I think you can actually do a downward skip, but it was harder to do [2015-04-15 10:45:10 | Edited 10:45:15] Puwexil: hmm, I'll play around with that down move when I get home from work - maybe it lets you get away with stopping moving left a few pixels earlier so you won't overshoot it as easily [2015-04-15 10:45:32] EssentiaFour: that was my thinking, Puwexil [2015-04-15 10:46:32] SnesWarrior: I always do bird skip from the top, it's always felt easier. And kind of cuts out the running across the bridge from bottom to top altogether. [2015-04-15 10:46:50] Jackafur: https://i.imgur.com/3JzaVXi.jpg [2015-04-15 10:47:06] Jackafur: i always do it on the bottom. i dunno. [2015-04-15 10:47:11] Jackafur: im not an expert [2015-04-15 10:47:24] Jackafur: also make sure you are holding B so you are running when you run up [2015-04-15 10:47:53] Jackafur: as long as your foot is even barely touching that notch you should be able to do it [2015-04-15 10:48:08] SnesWarrior: Bottom is fine really, top setup just works better if you are a madman and go for no-stop bird skip =P [2015-04-15 10:49:02] DrunkenDraconian: looks like pulsing a left and down input without holding run lets you move into it easily [2015-04-15 10:51:04] EssentiaFour: oh my gosh, I'm getting it every time now [2015-04-15 10:51:08] EssentiaFour: thanks Jackafur! [2015-04-15 10:51:16] Jackafur: np [2015-04-15 10:51:20] Puwexil: nice! [2015-04-15 10:51:25] Jackafur: you just gotta be careful cause when you run you move 2 pixels [2015-04-15 10:51:29] EssentiaFour: I think part of my problem might have been not holding B before starting to go up [2015-04-15 10:51:30] Jackafur: so ive ran past that thing a bunch of times [2015-04-15 10:51:34] Jackafur: just take your time [2015-04-15 11:38:55] ElGranJerry: Jack, did you pb? [2015-04-15 11:39:02] ElGranJerry: Fell asleep last night lol :( [2015-04-15 11:43:03] Jackafur: nah man [2015-04-15 11:43:12] Jackafur: remember when I almost got it [2015-04-15 11:43:16] Jackafur: that was the only time I came close [2015-04-15 11:43:28] Jackafur: then it was just 30 minutes of failed attempts [2015-04-15 11:43:51] ElGranJerry: Ah dang. Yeah I remember that one [2015-04-15 11:43:57] ElGranJerry: Runback tonight? [2015-04-15 11:44:01] Jackafur: yea I think that just bummed me out too much [2015-04-15 11:44:07] Jackafur: and I kinda lost the will [2015-04-15 11:44:12] Jackafur: eh i might give it another shot [2015-04-15 11:44:16] Jackafur: internet is still shotty though [2015-04-15 11:44:32] Jackafur: gonna practice the skip some more and probably give it a go I suppose [2015-04-15 11:44:41] ElGranJerry: Comcast pls [2015-04-15 11:45:28] Jackafur: yea seriously [2015-04-15 11:45:58] Jackafur: I had an interview today at fedex [2015-04-15 11:46:04] Jackafur: as soon as im working again normally [2015-04-15 11:46:08] Jackafur: im dropping comcast hard [2015-04-15 11:46:27] ElGranJerry: Ah, sweet man [2015-04-15 11:46:36] ElGranJerry: Hope you get the job [2015-04-15 11:47:03] Jackafur: yea me too. been doing odd jobs and shit for like almost 2 years now. gets kinda hard to pay the bills do that kinda stuff lol [2015-04-15 11:48:45] ElGranJerry: Yeah I can imagine [2015-04-15 11:58:51] Redslash: Good luck, Jack [2015-04-15 12:00:29] Jackafur: thanks man [2015-04-15 12:00:35] Jackafur: so my modem reset on its own just now [2015-04-15 12:00:39] Jackafur: I think comcast themselves did it [2015-04-15 12:00:48] Jackafur: and just to test things I started streaming on a teset stream [2015-04-15 12:00:51] Jackafur: and so far so good [2015-04-15 12:00:58] Jackafur: 5 minutes with no dropped frames [2015-04-15 12:01:01] Jackafur: hoepfully its good now [2015-04-15 12:01:24] Jackafur: but i dunno cause as soon as I said that my ping went yellow in OBS [2015-04-15 12:01:29] Jackafur: so lets not get our hopes up yet lol [2015-04-15 12:01:42] ElGranJerry: Lol [2015-04-15 12:01:48] ElGranJerry: Hopefully it gets fized [2015-04-15 12:01:55] Redslash: Ha ha, yeah. Maybe they're trying [2015-04-15 12:01:56] ElGranJerry: Fixed* [2015-04-15 12:04:46 | Edited 12:06:16] Redslash: So, Bird Skip... I never realized odd Y-pixel is required. Both the top and bottom of the bridge are odd [2015-04-15 12:05:19] Redslash: So if you start at the bottom, then make sure to run up the whole way. Can lose the odd otherwise [2015-04-15 12:17:30] ElGranJerry: Dang, i didnt know that [2015-04-15 12:17:34] ElGranJerry: I always do top [2015-04-15 12:19:08] Jackafur: yea I noticed that when I tested out my little visual cue [2015-04-15 12:19:22] Jackafur: only seemed to work if you were running up the whole time [2015-04-15 12:32:38] ElGranJerry: So we got a new runner in progress Gand988 is his twitch account [2015-04-15 12:32:58] ElGranJerry: Lots of people learning lately [2015-04-15 12:32:59] Redslash: Luckily you're always odd when you get off the ladder too [2015-04-15 12:34:31] Redslash: Awesome [2015-04-15 12:36:39] Jackafur: tell him to start trying to figure out LSS [2015-04-15 12:37:05] ElGranJerry: Lol [2015-04-15 12:37:27 | Edited 12:37:45] ElGranJerry: Maybe in a few months lmao [2015-04-15 12:40:08] Redslash: If he believes it's just an ordinary trick everyone does, watch and he'll get it no problem [2015-04-15 12:40:19] Jackafur: yea lets just tell him its easy [2015-04-15 12:40:45] 0xA101: I'm glad I was wise enough to the pain of lss so you guys didn't think of doing this to me lmfao [2015-04-15 12:41:13] Jackafur: I must of lost my damn mind or got an ego about it [2015-04-15 12:41:27] Jackafur: cause i was like Yea bro I did it on english first you can do it in a run np [2015-04-15 12:41:33] Jackafur: you all saw how well that worked yesterday [2015-04-15 12:41:54] DrunkenDraconian: but that feeling when you get it first try in a run [2015-04-15 12:42:06] Jackafur: i almost fucking had it too [2015-04-15 12:42:11] Jackafur: Im still mad salty about it [2015-04-15 12:42:30] Jackafur: like it seemed pretty fast when I got it and missed that menu [2015-04-15 12:42:34] Jackafur: what a bummer. my heart sank. [2015-04-15 12:45:34 | Edited 12:45:45] Redslash: Dude, that's how I felt trying to get it in a J run the first time. So sure I had it all figured out, lol... gave up after 2 hours [2015-04-15 12:48:55] Jackafur: http://www.twitch.tv/jackafur/v/4035648 [2015-04-15 12:49:05] Jackafur: you can see the moment I realized I missed it on my face lol [2015-04-15 12:49:18] Jackafur: also every ones right I look 12 w/ no facial hair jeez. [2015-04-15 12:49:59] 0xA101: your stream quality is so good every time it just blows me away honestly [2015-04-15 12:50:15] Jackafur: I stream RGB [2015-04-15 12:50:20] 0xA101: well that explains it! [2015-04-15 12:50:42] 0xA101: but oh god yeah that highlight is making me cringe, I'd honestly be crying if I got that close and missed it [2015-04-15 12:51:59] Jackafur: dang at the end it looks like I throw the controller or something but Im just hitting reset lol [2015-04-15 12:52:14] Jackafur: i almost do a really dumb giggle. the whole highlight is cringe honestly. [2015-04-15 12:52:43] Jackafur: i didnt almost do a really dumb giggle. I did do a really dumb giggle. [2015-04-15 12:54:24] 0xA101: if it makes you feel better I make really dumb giggles all the time [2015-04-15 12:54:28] 0xA101: in real life, in front of real people [2015-04-15 12:54:31] 0xA101: it is unfortunate [2015-04-15 12:56:29] ElGranJerry: I do that all the time [2015-04-15 12:56:39] ElGranJerry: Sometimes it gets me.into trouble [2015-04-15 12:56:40] ElGranJerry: Lol [2015-04-15 13:06:37] Redslash: Dang, Twitch not loading for me atm [2015-04-15 13:07:36] Jackafur: lemme check [2015-04-15 13:07:55] Jackafur: seems alright for me [2015-04-15 13:08:07] ElGranJerry: ^ same [2015-04-15 13:08:47] Redslash: I probably confused some settings, I'll check back in a bit [2015-04-15 13:09:07] Redslash: I need to check some All Endings strats too, hehe [2015-04-15 13:10:14] Redslash: Need to figure out the best way to learn Luminaire, I assume... hope I don't actually need the Rainbow though [2015-04-15 13:11:00] Jackafur: yea i spoke to soon about the comcast situation [2015-04-15 13:11:13] Jackafur: still dropping frames. ill probaby just stream through again like yesterday though. [2015-04-15 13:14:05] 0xA101: oh my god wait you're routing all endings stuff? I was gonna actually run that for the hell of it once I started regularly running any% and got a time I was happy with [2015-04-15 13:15:27] ElGranJerry: All endings race when? [2015-04-15 13:16:16] 0xA101: whenever I finish learning everthing [2015-04-15 13:16:20] DrunkenDraconian: all ending active atb ;) [2015-04-15 13:16:25] 0xA101: so like.........maybe 5 years from now lmao [2015-04-15 13:16:41] ElGranJerry: Lol [2015-04-15 13:16:51] ElGranJerry: :( [2015-04-15 13:17:03] 0xA101: nah maybe more towards the summer [2015-04-15 13:17:43] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-04-15 13:18:02] 0xA101: I should probably just start doing any% runs now since I know pretty much everything I need to know but I'm so nervous lol [2015-04-15 13:19:18] ElGranJerry: You will do fine :) [2015-04-15 13:19:39] ElGranJerry: 1st run is always hard but it just gets easier from there [2015-04-15 13:27:41] Redslash: I like practicing a lot more than running, hehe. But runs are the best way to see what I really need to work on [2015-04-15 13:28:25 | Edited 13:28:33] Redslash: And then next run I can show off how much I practiced it, lol... I dunno, that's my take [2015-04-15 13:29:07] 0xA101: yeah, I keep practicing like "I gotta nail this down otherwise I'll lose SO much time" but like......what time do I even have to lose if I don't have a run? [2015-04-15 13:29:16] 0xA101: I might as well just go for it so then I really know what I should work on [2015-04-15 13:29:30] 0xA101: and then I'll have a time I can blow out of the water [2015-04-15 13:29:54] Redslash: Right on =) [2015-04-15 13:30:32] Redslash: I still think the best part of this game is nothing is really random [2015-04-15 13:31:28] Redslash: So at least, one doesn't get too mixed up with a bunch of alternate strats and stuff [2015-04-15 13:31:53] 0xA101: right, that is super nice, everything is pretty much laid out for me [2015-04-15 13:32:07] 0xA101: even if I make a mistake I have a pretty good idea of what I need to do [2015-04-15 13:33:40] Redslash: Hardest part when I was starting out was, when something goes wrong, I forget to correct it [2015-04-15 13:35:30] 0xA101: oh yeah, I definitely feel like I'm going to forget to correct some stuff [2015-04-15 13:35:32] Redslash: Changing battle speed, buying revives... too easy sometimes to just continue on the normal track [2015-04-15 13:40:05] SnesWarrior: For sure, and you always seem to remember your mistakes JUST when its too late. I remember triggering fights and just resetting immediately pissed off because didnt heal / battle speed, etc [2015-04-15 13:41:14] Redslash: Resetting is fun too X) [2015-04-15 13:41:40] Redslash: But on first few runs, definitely make lots of safety saves [2015-04-15 13:41:49] SnesWarrior: Muscle memory resets are just.... the best. Kappa [2015-04-15 13:42:20] 0xA101: I'm mostly worried about getting extra encounters in magus's castle/tyrano lair and messing up with retinite/lavos [2015-04-15 13:42:38] 0xA101: like the first half of the run seems pretty straightforward to me but I'm terrified of the last half lol [2015-04-15 13:42:54] 0xA101: I'm gonna make tons of safety saves but still lol [2015-04-15 13:44:20] Redslash: Or rather, not only safety saves, but saves just for the hell of it, in case something totally unexpected happens [2015-04-15 13:44:40] 0xA101: right, yeah [2015-04-15 13:44:45] 0xA101: any time I can save, I will [2015-04-15 13:45:00] 0xA101: that phrase actually works two ways [2015-04-15 13:45:28] Redslash: Lol yeah [2015-04-15 13:47:07] Redslash: Man, I wonder if we could make it easier to bring S/A to Lavos shell... take some of the suspense out [2015-04-15 13:47:33] Redslash: Elmagus likes when I do that [2015-04-15 13:47:39] SnesWarrior: hehe [2015-04-15 13:48:50] SnesWarrior: I've been thinking for awhile, are we just gonna call shell route Any% - No LSS? [2015-04-15 13:53:45] 0xA101: wait how different is the route with lss aside from like...lss itself being a thing? [2015-04-15 13:54:04] ElGranJerry: There will be no change until someone beats the record, imo [2015-04-15 13:54:05] Redslash: Yeah I dunno, we could... It's still just any% though, I guess... [2015-04-15 13:55:08] Redslash: I mean, I see no reason to separate J and U times now. They're already combined for NG+ actually [2015-04-15 13:55:37] 0xA101: j is faster for ng+ but like it doesn't really matter, it's only a few seconds [2015-04-15 13:55:55] SnesWarrior: I mean, it'd only matter till people started doing it more often. But I just thought it had enough of a difference in items picked up / boss strats to be considered a different category. But it does play mostly the same I guess [2015-04-15 13:56:18] SnesWarrior: Shell just takes some more prep is all [2015-04-15 13:56:59] Redslash: The route's a bit different, you don't fight Mohavors in the Desert, for example... other things like not having to use Marle as much [2015-04-15 14:00:10] Redslash: I guess the way I see it, all the times already up are "Any%" times. Now that LSS is a thing people could specifically run "No LSS" I suppose... [2015-04-15 14:01:31] Redslash: That is, no reason to label a run "not pure Any%" (I know that's not the intent but it kinda just has that sound) [2015-04-15 14:01:38] Redslash: So I'm not really sure, lol [2015-04-15 14:01:41] 0xA101: I'm not a fan of splitting categories unless like, super necessary, but I haven't even done a full run of this game so I don't think my opinion matters lol. lss is not an easy thing to do but hhhhhh lol [2015-04-15 14:01:48] SnesWarrior: That was my thinking. I figured there would be a few people in the community who may not want to bother learning LSS period. In that case it'd be kinda unfair to compare their times to ours. [2015-04-15 14:01:59] 0xA101: yeah I was gonna say something like that [2015-04-15 14:02:07] ElGranJerry: i will never do a run with lss lol [2015-04-15 14:02:27] Redslash: We could still just make a note by the time. LSS yes or no [2015-04-15 14:02:28] ElGranJerry: when a good run in US gets done then we separate things imo [2015-04-15 14:02:29] 0xA101: but idk! idk I like things being fair but I also don't like weird splits ;A; [2015-04-15 14:02:34] ElGranJerry: with lss [2015-04-15 14:02:42] 0xA101: that sounds good enough [2015-04-15 14:03:27] 0xA101: I feel like I'd be pretty discouraged about running if, in order to get a "good" time, I'd have to do lss, so having a split would be a bit more welcoming I guess? [2015-04-15 14:03:31] 0xA101: to new people, I suppose [2015-04-15 14:04:03] Redslash: Yeah, I think you're right [2015-04-15 14:04:20] ElGranJerry: when we get there it has to be separate for sure [2015-04-15 14:04:40] Redslash: We're kinda there already though =) [2015-04-15 14:04:48] SnesWarrior: Yeah, the only reason I suggest it in the first place is its kind of a "unique" skip, if it was just like the others I couldn't see seperating it [2015-04-15 14:04:53] 0xA101: like the idea of "oh I can do super well up until the very end where I have to do this crazy trick that saves a fuckton of time and can easily lose my run after 2 and a half hours" is just draining haha [2015-04-15 14:05:24] ElGranJerry: not really red, there is no run with lss on US yet. That's my point [2015-04-15 14:05:34] ElGranJerry: until there isn't that shouldn't change [2015-04-15 14:05:40] ElGranJerry: WR run [2015-04-15 14:05:44] SnesWarrior: It's just a matter of time though [2015-04-15 14:06:09] 0xA101: don't worry I'll get that run 8) [2015-04-15 14:06:10] Redslash: But uh, I mean... where do I post my new Any% time? Ha ha [2015-04-15 14:06:21] ElGranJerry: any% J [2015-04-15 14:06:50] Redslash: So we're gonna divide J and U then? [2015-04-15 14:07:04] Redslash: I advocated that up until LSS on U happened [2015-04-15 14:07:05] ElGranJerry: until lss isn't a thing in a run in US yes, imo [2015-04-15 14:07:11] Redslash: Gotcha [2015-04-15 14:07:16] ElGranJerry: that's just me though [2015-04-15 14:07:30] ElGranJerry: 13 people in this chat [2015-04-15 14:08:20 | Edited 14:08:34] SnesWarrior: Imo, I feel like if the run needs a completely seperate route to go along with it, due to game mechanics, it should be a seperate category [2015-04-15 14:09:51] SnesWarrior: But I dont really run J, or care all that much =P thats just what I think of at first glance when talking about categories [2015-04-15 14:10:40] 0xA101: I think as long as each category, if separated, is clearly defined and has solid reasoning, then it's fine [2015-04-15 14:13:22] Jackafur: I dont really think LSS should be its own run [2015-04-15 14:13:38] Jackafur: I understand wanting to seperate J from E just cause its alot of different cause of un equip [2015-04-15 14:13:48] Jackafur: but I dunno about just making its own category [2015-04-15 14:15:11] Jackafur: I understand its hard but we dont have "zombor/heckran" skip categories for any % or any thing [2015-04-15 14:15:21] Jackafur: its just what you do [2015-04-15 14:15:30] Jackafur: but I dunno Im not the entire community so [2015-04-15 14:16:22] Redslash: Yeah, I think LSS could just be a side-note on the board. If for no other reason than that it's pretty new [2015-04-15 14:17:09] ElGranJerry: that will just kill it for new runners, specially when there is no consistent setup [2015-04-15 14:17:13] ElGranJerry: and for marathons [2015-04-15 14:17:33] Jackafur: well I mean you dont HAVE to do it [2015-04-15 14:17:56] ElGranJerry: then why start running a category where I won't be able to get close to the best times... [2015-04-15 14:18:21] ElGranJerry: unless I do some trick there is no run of (or 1 run of) [2015-04-15 14:19:31] Jackafur: I dunno I just dont agree with making a new category just because a trick is hard. either you learn it or you dont. But im not asking you to agree with me or anything [2015-04-15 14:20:03] Jackafur: and im brand new to this community so [2015-04-15 14:20:05] Jackafur: its up to you guys [2015-04-15 14:20:16] 0xA101: yeah like I'm half agreeing with jackafur and half like...ajjfsdaklf [2015-04-15 14:20:43] 0xA101: I'm on the fence about the whole thing really but either way I don't mind what happens [2015-04-15 14:21:10] 0xA101: just as long as it's not some weird convoluted mess of awful [2015-04-15 14:22:13] Redslash: It's like jumprolls in DKC kinda. Can I make that analogy? No new runner's gonna try those... [2015-04-15 14:22:37] SnesWarrior: You could also consider it a wrong warp =P [2015-04-15 14:22:52] ElGranJerry: When there are a couple of runs with LSS then I can agree with you guys [2015-04-15 14:23:16] ElGranJerry: I feel I am getting slaughtered here so I am gonna step out lol [2015-04-15 14:23:23] Jackafur: nah man [2015-04-15 14:23:31] Jackafur: i dont want you to think im like attacking you or anything lol [2015-04-15 14:23:41] Jackafur: I run the game cause of you. you know? lol [2015-04-15 14:23:58] 0xA101: oh no no don't feel that way :c it's just hard deciding what works best when it comes to things like this [2015-04-15 14:24:09] ElGranJerry: I didnt mean it that way lol [2015-04-15 14:24:11] 0xA101: trying to keep things accessible to others and fair is actually pretty hard [2015-04-15 14:24:38] Jackafur: this shit always happens [2015-04-15 14:24:44] Jackafur: happened in SM like a year ago [2015-04-15 14:24:59] 0xA101: the speedrunning conundrum [2015-04-15 14:25:15] Jackafur: a little different though cause it was getting to be a really really glitched out run [2015-04-15 14:25:19] Jackafur: so they made it another category [2015-04-15 14:25:26] Jackafur: "glitched any%" [2015-04-15 14:25:32] Ottavino: for now we can precise if the run is with lss, but when there will be an easier setup (and there will be!) we could remove the precision [2015-04-15 14:26:42] Jackafur: i can live with whatever. [2015-04-15 14:26:50] Will: I would be interested in helping with an easier LSS, currently I'm TASing another game so CT is next on the list [2015-04-15 14:27:13] SnesWarrior: My argument is it takes actual preparation and skill to tackle the shell "fast" and all of that goes out the window. I'd just like times comparable to that route, because I assume there will be people who wont learn the glitch altogether. [2015-04-15 14:27:54] SnesWarrior: But if everybody be LSS'in , thats cool too [2015-04-15 14:27:58] 0xA101: yeah that's what I'm most worried about is how people will compare times [2015-04-15 14:28:01] SnesWarrior: Cause i'd like to learn both [2015-04-15 14:28:29] 0xA101: but if LSS in english gets a more consistent setup or something then I don't think there's much to worry about idk [2015-04-15 14:28:48] DrunkenDraconian: I think a good focus would be to look at a way to keep/increase interest in running the game. The curent any% is perfect for runing and racing. There is no harm in having seperate categories. We could take a cue for LTTP where the most run category is not true any%. LSS will be Any% once a good time had been done. Doesn't mean it has to scare people away. [2015-04-15 14:30:47] 0xA101: that's a good way of looking at it [2015-04-15 14:31:34] Jackafur: well I mean couldnt you say the same thing about yakra/heckran/zombor? about them taking prepeartion and skill? I dont know to me its just another boss skip. [2015-04-15 14:32:09] SnesWarrior: I'd say that if it were the same, but its a lot more involved then just saving behind a trigger [2015-04-15 14:32:26] 0xA101: I kind of see it the same way but the sheer amount of time it saves along with the setup makes it seem a bit more than a regular skip [2015-04-15 14:32:33] 0xA101: plus it's so close to the end [2015-04-15 14:32:37] Jackafur: well yea I understand taht [2015-04-15 14:32:39] Jackafur: that* [2015-04-15 14:32:48] SnesWarrior: But there is already interest in no skips run, that would kind of be that [2015-04-15 14:32:52] Jackafur: I mean Im probably giving too much credit to those bosses [2015-04-15 14:33:01] Jackafur: but I dunno. theres so many angles you can look at this from [2015-04-15 14:33:03] SnesWarrior: They are pushovers hehe [2015-04-15 14:33:05] 0xA101: yeah, definitely [2015-04-15 14:33:27] ElGranJerry: specially heckran, zombor da real mvp [2015-04-15 14:34:04] ElGranJerry: I agree with what DD said [2015-04-15 14:34:41] Jackafur: so like to me it just seems silly to have an all boss category, any% with no LSS and any% with LSS [2015-04-15 14:34:56] Jackafur: like it just seems like no LSS should just be in the no boss skip category to me [2015-04-15 14:35:09] Jackafur: but im just pointing things out/giving you guys another angle [2015-04-15 14:35:17] Jackafur: im not trying to push you guys into deciding one thing or another [2015-04-15 14:38:40] Jackafur: and i'd also like to point out another thing [2015-04-15 14:38:49] Jackafur: I know you guys are worried about new runners having to do LSS [2015-04-15 14:38:54] Puwexil: fwiw I think LSS will scare new runners away from the game if they feel like they have to do it to get a 'good' time [2015-04-15 14:38:54] Jackafur: but im a new runner [2015-04-15 14:39:05] 0xA101: same here I guess [2015-04-15 14:39:07] Jackafur: i dunno. I dont wanna become the bad guy in all of this lol [2015-04-15 14:39:38] Puwexil: I have no intention of ever doing it, regardless of categories [2015-04-15 14:39:39] SnesWarrior: Nah man, we're all level-headed people here [2015-04-15 14:39:42] 0xA101: I'm not scared of LSS and I'm willing to learn it and put it in any run I do once I get better at the game overall but I also understand there are people who would be so much less inclined to learn the game with this trick lol [2015-04-15 14:39:51] ElGranJerry: yeah jack lol, that's not gonna happen [2015-04-15 14:40:08] ElGranJerry: same as puwexil [2015-04-15 14:40:28] ElGranJerry: also gotta take into account racing [2015-04-15 14:40:30] ElGranJerry: and stuff [2015-04-15 14:40:44] Jackafur: i dunno we'll figure it all out [2015-04-15 14:40:48] DrunkenDraconian: everything is conditional and fluid. The current US LSS is very random. The 3rd party member breakaway is not rational... yet. If a consistant setup is found then the only real barrier and reason to avoid it is gone. LSS is still too new. It's too early to even worry about it [2015-04-15 14:40:59] 0xA101: I think it's not worth worrying about tooooooooo much until there's a bit more consistency? [2015-04-15 14:41:02] 0xA101: yeah exactly [2015-04-15 14:41:36] Jackafur: any way ill brb [2015-04-15 14:44:53] Redslash: Hope my phone dying looked like a ragequit =P [2015-04-15 14:45:01] SnesWarrior: rofl [2015-04-15 14:45:04] 0xA101: lol [2015-04-15 14:45:06] ElGranJerry: haha [2015-04-15 14:45:31] Puwexil: the secret of evermore community actually has 'any%' and 'any% w/verminator skip' categories, because verminator skip is impossible to do consistently and doesn't work at all on certain consoles [2015-04-15 14:48:16] Redslash: If we did make a LSS/No-LSS division, then I think J wouldn't have to be separate then... [2015-04-15 14:49:27] Redslash: I'm not so sure J is even faster anymore, really X) [2015-04-15 14:49:39] ElGranJerry: true [2015-04-15 14:49:44] Puwexil: I'm curious about that myself [2015-04-15 14:49:50] ElGranJerry: that'd be good to time [2015-04-15 14:50:31] 0xA101: I was going to ask what the timing difference was actually [2015-04-15 14:50:53] 0xA101: I never knew ct could be so complex lol [2015-04-15 14:51:25] Puwexil: maybe people will want to run J because the carts cost 10% as much, lol [2015-04-15 14:52:08] SnesWarrior: reason enough for me... lol I like cheap [2015-04-15 14:52:17] Redslash: U is probably still behind, but EoT S/A and stuff like that is definitely closing the gap [2015-04-15 14:52:43] 0xA101: yeah I have 3 j carts and spent a total of $20 on them, which is like...1/5th the price of one NA cart if you're lucky [2015-04-15 14:53:15] SnesWarrior: It's ridiculous, they've even gone up within the last 2 months =( [2015-04-15 14:53:27] ElGranJerry: yeah, I still can't find a cheap onr [2015-04-15 14:53:31] ElGranJerry: or decently priced one [2015-04-15 14:53:35] 0xA101: I'm lucky enough to have a brother 11 years older than me who bought this game when it first came out [2015-04-15 14:53:47] Redslash: Might be because 20 Years just happened [2015-04-15 14:53:48] Puwexil: at least VC is still just $8 or whatever they cost [2015-04-15 14:54:02] 0xA101: oh man I forgot about VC [2015-04-15 14:54:13] SnesWarrior: Yesss, even if it has a few nuances. Thats what I run on [2015-04-15 14:54:35] 0xA101: what're the differences on VC? [2015-04-15 14:54:39] 0xA101: I assume they're all very small [2015-04-15 14:54:45] 0xA101: but I'm curious [2015-04-15 14:54:45] Redslash: We've done pretty well keeping strats working on VC at least =) [2015-04-15 14:54:51] 0xA101: nice! [2015-04-15 14:55:31] Redslash: The atb has some weird difference, not sure I understand it really [2015-04-15 14:55:38] SnesWarrior: Masamune has like a 4 frame window to destroy you and Nage-ette fight has to be triggered a specific way. [2015-04-15 14:55:50] SnesWarrior: And I think a few elixir glitch setups were a little different [2015-04-15 14:56:01] SnesWarrior: But those are obselete now for the most part [2015-04-15 14:56:18] 0xA101: pretty interesting all the same [2015-04-15 14:56:19] Redslash: But it's not the ROM, but like the hardware? Because you can get the effect on some emulators it seems like [2015-04-15 14:56:36] SnesWarrior: yeah Ottavino couldn't reproduce it on dolphin [2015-04-15 14:57:04] Redslash: Oh dang [2015-04-15 14:57:11] SnesWarrior: He was thinking it couldnt emulate the lag I guess [2015-04-15 14:57:55] Jackafur: just to change the subject for a second [2015-04-15 14:58:01] Jackafur: got rid of my router from 2002 lol [2015-04-15 14:58:08] Jackafur: had a throughput of 50 mbps [2015-04-15 14:58:10] Jackafur: check this shit now [2015-04-15 14:58:21] Jackafur: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCqiTF2VIAApfyo.jpg:large [2015-04-15 14:58:30] Jackafur: now i just need comcast to fix my upload and I might be happy [2015-04-15 14:59:03] 0xA101: damn that's better than my internet [2015-04-15 14:59:22] 0xA101: I also live in chicago though and there's weird laws about internet and comcast and stuff so there's not much I can do [2015-04-15 14:59:26] Jackafur: they only gave it to us cause we yelled at them for 13 years [2015-04-15 14:59:33] Jackafur: we dont pay for 100+ down lol [2015-04-15 14:59:38] SnesWarrior: nice lol [2015-04-15 15:00:31] 0xA101: cosmo keeps bringing up moving us to an area with google fiber but so far it's only in places I really don't want to be, like tennessee and utah or some shit lol [2015-04-15 15:00:34] SnesWarrior: This is what I'm "rocking" =P [2015-04-15 15:00:35] SnesWarrior: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4292543340 [2015-04-15 15:00:48] Jackafur: dude sick travis [2015-04-15 15:00:50] 0xA101: omg that's so sad [2015-04-15 15:00:58] Jackafur: although right now my UL is actually just as bad as yours [2015-04-15 15:01:00] ElGranJerry: dang, same as mine SW [2015-04-15 15:01:03] Jackafur: mine drops to 0 consistantly now [2015-04-15 15:01:03] SnesWarrior: got the best net in the hood yo [2015-04-15 15:01:05] ElGranJerry: well I have .8 up [2015-04-15 15:01:55] 0xA101: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4292546046 [2015-04-15 15:02:04] 0xA101: idk if cosmo streaming currently is affecting it any but eh [2015-04-15 15:02:07] 0xA101: it's good enough [2015-04-15 15:02:50] SnesWarrior: Yeah hopefully i'll be moving in about 4 months and have some decent internet for once in my life [2015-04-15 15:02:50] ElGranJerry: that's pretty good [2015-04-15 15:03:58] SnesWarrior: I'd imagine he might be using some of your up, so thats really good [2015-04-15 15:04:44] 0xA101: yeah, things get a bit laggy if we're both streaming but it's still enough to cover both of us regardless [2015-04-15 15:10:17] Redslash: Oh, I was gonna explain new All Endings route [2015-04-15 15:10:46] Ottavino: did someone make a LSS .smv file? [2015-04-15 15:12:00] Redslash: I don't have one, could make one in a bit [2015-04-15 15:12:31] Redslash: There's just, a lot of ways it can play out though, and still work (or not)...~ [2015-04-15 15:12:33] Ottavino: thanks Red :) [2015-04-15 15:13:02] 0xA101: red is always here to save the day [2015-04-15 15:15:12] Redslash: X) [2015-04-15 15:16:16] Redslash: Lol, so, have you heard of Back-in-Time glitch? What you can do is get Greendream and flying Epoch, then re-fight R-Series to rewind the story [2015-04-15 15:16:59] Redslash: Then you can fly around and hit a certain marker to get the chapter you need, elixir glitch, repeat =) [2015-04-15 15:18:02] DrunkenDraconian: have you found paths to most endings? [2015-04-15 15:18:12] 0xA101: whoa what [2015-04-15 15:18:17] Redslash: Yup, all except the We're Back ending [2015-04-15 15:18:27] 0xA101: there's a back in time glitch? is this twilight princess? [2015-04-15 15:18:44] ElGranJerry: this one is bette :) [2015-04-15 15:18:50] DrunkenDraconian: I have a Magus vs Magus highlight using BIT [2015-04-15 15:19:34] 0xA101: how do you refight the r-series? [2015-04-15 15:19:40] 0xA101: like what triggers that to happen again? [2015-04-15 15:21:53] Redslash: When you activate the Factory security system, you can save-anywhere a bunch (one tile at a time) to escape the room, then continue the game like normal [2015-04-15 15:22:25] Redslash: And then when you come back, you can activate the security again~! [2015-04-15 15:24:16] Redslash: So that puts you at one ending. Then I meet Tata at Denadoro, get broken hilt from Frog, fly Dactyls to fight Nizbel (hardest one), check Magus Castle entrance, run from Kino's jailers, then park Epoch at the 2nd skyway to Zeal for the last two [2015-04-15 15:24:40] 0xA101: is this game even real anymore [2015-04-15 15:25:15] 0xA101: I keep thinking "well this game isn't THAT broken" but it kind of is lol [2015-04-15 15:25:34] 0xA101: how the hell was that discovered anyway? [2015-04-15 15:27:52] Redslash: I heard of it from Ottavino, I dunno who discovered it [2015-04-15 15:28:34] Redslash: I bet it's on Tasvideos but I can't get through that thread without something getting my attention and derailing me X) [2015-04-15 15:29:02] Redslash: I need to just read it, and take notes [2015-04-15 15:31:21] Ottavino: i found this re-doable cutscene on a japanese web site when i did a low level challenge, it was mentionned to remove ayla from the party and have a low average level, i think Inichi found it [2015-04-15 15:32:11] 0xA101: it figures inichi found it, he found soooo much stuff so long ago [2015-04-15 15:34:28] Redslash: There's really a ton of resources out there still, that we may not have looked through [2015-04-15 15:35:38] Redslash: I like that this talk on the Compendium is leading to more AI research [2015-04-15 15:36:24] Redslash: Well, from a few days ago. I'm hopeful [2015-04-15 15:38:50] 0xA101: I'm so glad that this game is so active, it makes me really happy I'm learning it at a time like this [2015-04-15 15:43:56] Redslash: It's very cool [2015-04-15 15:45:36] Redslash: Like, 12 year old me wouldn't believe any of this [2015-04-15 15:46:00] 0xA101: same lmao, even 22 year old me is still struggling to believe that half this shit is possible in this game lol [2015-04-15 15:46:21] Redslash: Hehe [2015-04-15 16:05:04] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-04-15 16:27:33] Redslash: Might be a while before I can make it, maybe someone will beat me to posting an LSS smv~ [2015-04-15 16:29:15] Jackafur: LSS smv? like an emu movie? [2015-04-15 16:31:26] Redslash: Yeah [2015-04-15 16:47:45] Jackafur: i just made one [2015-04-15 16:47:51] Jackafur: ill upload it to dropbox [2015-04-15 16:48:43] Redslash: Oh sick, thank you for doing that [2015-04-15 16:48:48] Jackafur: np [2015-04-15 16:49:50] Redslash: I also wanted to mention, closing Gaspar's dialogue when the period writes works well on J, it does make a difference [2015-04-15 16:49:57] Jackafur: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gklat2954wjjs1f/LSS.smv?dl=0 [2015-04-15 16:53:43] Jackafur: i did it a little weird that way [2015-04-15 16:53:52] Jackafur: but i did it that way cause of where I saw robo at a certain point [2015-04-15 16:54:01] Jackafur: i dunno it was like an instinct thing. i cant even explain it [2015-04-15 16:54:33 | Edited 16:54:45] Redslash: Funny thing is with the period though, trying to time that part instead of leaving it to chance, if you fall into the wrong timing then you can consistently miss it =) [2015-04-15 16:58:30 | Edited 16:59:45] Redslash: In contrast, for the 2300 and 1999 texts you can close them on the first frame (which you'll get if you hit too early) and it's good [2015-04-15 18:02:16] ElGranJerry: hmm, so red's berserk Masa saves 20-23s compared to normal one from what i've tested (2 tests) [2015-04-15 18:02:43] ElGranJerry: Shopping is faster since you do it at porre and the guy has no extra textbox before shopping [2015-04-15 18:03:15] ElGranJerry: requires a couple extra team changes but it's probably worth to add it, I will get on that tomorrow for 100% [2015-04-15 18:03:48] ElGranJerry: oh, you also need to bright load after [2015-04-15 18:06:44] Redslash: Can skip de-equipping Marle maybe. Need to test Yakra XIII to be sure [2015-04-15 18:07:00] ElGranJerry: yeah, I was just wondering that [2015-04-15 18:07:29] ElGranJerry: hopefully we can [2015-04-15 18:08:35] Redslash: I'd like to try and find a new Mammon elixir glitch, menu glitching after Zeal 1 to swap somebody in maybe [2015-04-15 18:09:41] ElGranJerry: won't magus still have the green dream? [2015-04-15 18:10:28] Redslash: Unless you gave it to Frog first or something [2015-04-15 18:10:43] ElGranJerry: ooooh, I am dumb [2015-04-15 18:10:44] ElGranJerry: nvm [2015-04-15 18:11:20] Redslash: And then he could keep it on. I dunno though [2015-04-15 18:11:22] ElGranJerry: I mean, that would imply a new zeal elixir glitch as well [2015-04-15 18:11:43] Redslash: Yup [2015-04-15 18:12:12] ElGranJerry: kk [2015-04-15 18:14:03] Redslash: I'll be playing with that. I'm weaker in the Black Omen because of skipping Geno Dome and stuff, won't be able to do the 100% strats [2015-04-15 18:17:13] Redslash: (My main concern is the Atropos ribbon) [2015-04-15 18:17:54] ElGranJerry: :/ [2015-04-15 18:18:00] ElGranJerry: atropos BibleThump [2015-04-15 19:45:41] Puwexil: yakra xiii should be ok assuming it works for marle to die to yakra's earthquake attack instead of to magus [2015-04-15 19:45:59] Puwexil: if having her initial armor/helmet even lets her survive that long [2015-04-15 20:14:59 | Edited 20:17:16] Puwexil: played around with the bird skip - looks like moving down if you're on the bottom row doesn't do anything other than help you tell if you're lined up correctly [2015-04-15 20:15:41] Puwexil: since if you are, crono will start to follow the edge (and eventually hit the fight trigger if you do it too long), and if you're too far to the right he'll just walk in place [2015-04-15 23:31:27] Redslash: 132bpm seems good for J LSS... close menu on "1", double-tap on "6", hold on "9" [2015-04-15 23:32:47] Redslash: Something similar would help on U... that pretty much does it for J [2015-04-16 5:56:31] Jackafur: hey red when you get on can you get into more detail about the metronome? i tried a metronome before w/ no success [2015-04-16 7:57:39] Nihil922: man... everytime i get home from work, theres 300 unread messages in this chat [2015-04-16 7:57:47] Nihil922: i cant keep up D: [2015-04-16 7:59:53] SnesWarrior: Haha, this is probably one of the more active communities even though as a whole we dont stream that often. Still lots going on [2015-04-16 8:00:17] SnesWarrior: Love waking up to nerdy stuff to read ;3 [2015-04-16 8:01:51] Nihil922: also... http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4294193588 [2015-04-16 8:01:54 | Edited 8:01:59] Nihil922: just to brag :) [2015-04-16 8:02:28] Jackafur: i wish my upload wasnt shit [2015-04-16 8:02:59] SnesWarrior: Good god Nihil [2015-04-16 8:03:49] SnesWarrior: Can I have like, an 1/8th of your upload, holy crap [2015-04-16 8:04:00] Nihil922: :D [2015-04-16 8:05:08] Nihil922: just moved to a apartment of my own, cant wait to try streaming now [2015-04-16 8:07:48] SnesWarrior: congratz man! Enjoy all that solitude, I know I would be [2015-04-16 8:08:52] ElGranJerry: Nihil <3 [2015-04-16 8:08:59] ElGranJerry: steam hyep [2015-04-16 8:09:23] Nihil922: next weekend maybe, but probably not CT [2015-04-16 8:09:49] Nihil922: also, i kinda want to get a capture card now. [2015-04-16 8:09:55] Nihil922: so i can start running on console [2015-04-16 9:07:37] ElGranJerry: sweet [2015-04-16 10:48:42] Redslash: That's awesome, Nihil [2015-04-16 10:52:57] Redslash: Oh metronome. I just noticed before that it's somewhat easy to hit 1-frame windows using it, with a lot of practice. I'm only using it at the bucket [2015-04-16 10:53:36] Jackafur: are you opening the menu when you get to the bucket? [2015-04-16 10:53:50] Redslash: Yeah, extra menu [2015-04-16 10:53:57] Jackafur: alright gotcha [2015-04-16 13:07:52] Redslash: Huh, if you mash to try to get the clone, you cannot pick it up unless you try to leave first ("Stay out of trouble now!", then you can get it) [2015-04-16 13:08:21] Puwexil: I've had that happen at least once or twice [2015-04-16 13:09:03] Redslash: And since you have to close "You got the Clone" before it goes in your inventory, not having mom stop you is riskier, heh =P [2015-04-16 13:10:09] Redslash: Even 2 taps is fine, but 3+ and you can't get it... wonder why that'd be [2015-04-16 13:23:32] ElGranJerry: I remember when I "got" the clone but didn't close the textbox [2015-04-16 13:23:40] ElGranJerry: oh, what a surprise that was [2015-04-16 13:32:13] Redslash: Lol, yeah... I bet they realized it too, so they added the last mom text [2015-04-16 13:33:15] ElGranJerry: yeah, prolly [2015-04-16 13:35:04] 0xA101: I decided to mess around a bit while going through the route and I did the sa glitch post-heckran at the end of time [2015-04-16 13:35:10] 0xA101: like the way it's done in the tas [2015-04-16 13:35:34] 0xA101: how much time does it save? it didn't take me long to get it [2015-04-16 13:36:52] Ottavino: saves around 30 sec [2015-04-16 13:37:15] 0xA101: nice [2015-04-16 13:37:35] 0xA101: maybe someday I'll incorporate this into runs, assuming I can get it consistently [2015-04-16 13:37:52] 0xA101: and without bringing up the menu too often... [2015-04-16 13:50:07] 0xA101: the timing is kind of weird for it, I'm still trying to nail it down, I know getting hp/mp restored message before warping is bad, but idk what frames are good if everything lines up right [2015-04-16 13:50:32] 0xA101: idk if this is even worth looking into for setting up since it doesn't save too much time but it looks so cool ;A; [2015-04-16 13:50:55] ElGranJerry: there is a .smv red made if you want it [2015-04-16 13:52:19] Redslash: Oh nice, we were working on this very recently. It's coordinate-based but there's a setup. 75% success [2015-04-16 13:52:22] 0xA101: I should've known that someone already looked into this lol [2015-04-16 13:52:40] 0xA101: what's the setup that we've got so far? [2015-04-16 13:53:41] Redslash: Let's see... when you enter EoT, hold right as far as you can go, then down-right to open the wooden gate (that thing matters) [2015-04-16 13:54:12] Redslash: Then do stuff to get everyone in a precise spot [2015-04-16 13:54:27] Redslash: Movie would be best to show it [2015-04-16 13:54:45] *** *** [2015-04-16 13:55:14] DrunkenDraconian: I was wondering about the coord relevance for this and LSS. is the coordinate random whether it works, or if you were to graph it would you see a correlation to distance from Crono? [2015-04-16 13:57:45] Redslash: I think it's mainly distance, but.. the way the party approaches Crono takes a weird pattern, I'm not really sure what all happens [2015-04-16 13:58:21] DrunkenDraconian: yeah some positions the npcs still have to walk around things... [2015-04-16 13:58:24] 0xA101: weird, I didn't even think of anyone's position when I did this, [2015-04-16 13:59:15] Redslash: Lots of coordinates do work, but ensuring you don't get a bad one requires tricks~ [2015-04-16 13:59:16] 0xA101: I did it kind of casually without thinking of setting things up, I just did it to see if I could [2015-04-16 13:59:39] 0xA101: though I had a lot more movement in the area with the pillars [2015-04-16 13:59:39] DrunkenDraconian: that is why US LSS is so damn hard, no only do you ahve to close the textbox when robo groups up to do it, but robo has to be far enough away that the timing lines up when he hits Crono [2015-04-16 14:01:31] DrunkenDraconian: I'll make a vid of my robo slide Red, I think if we can do the right movements as soon as he breaks away we could find a setup [2015-04-16 14:04:33] Redslash: Alrighty [2015-04-16 14:05:43] DrunkenDraconian: it seems that his placement after breakaway is related to your movements the moment after you overflow his follow buffer [2015-04-16 14:08:38] Redslash: Hmm... [2015-04-16 14:09:16] DrunkenDraconian: it's so hard to tell though, he is usually off screen lol [2015-04-16 14:09:40] Jackafur: you can move him around to your liking after you have broken him away [2015-04-16 14:09:45] Jackafur: sort of [2015-04-16 14:10:18] Jackafur: even if you get him to a position you like even then some times it doesnt pan out how you'd expect [2015-04-16 14:10:39] Jackafur: the more I think I understand LSS it turns out more of it doesnt make any sense at all [2015-04-16 14:10:41] Jackafur: at least to me [2015-04-16 14:10:55] 0xA101: that's what happened with me back when I tried keeping up with lss for j [2015-04-16 14:11:16] 0xA101: I also tried to get it on console for 10 hours straight and developed a blister on my thumb lol [2015-04-16 14:13:45] 0xA101: is it possible to skip the trigger for the two volcanos/reptites just before doing nizbel skip [2015-04-16 14:13:56] 0xA101: er, one reptite, but you know what I mean [2015-04-16 14:14:04] Redslash: Yeah once you've broken him away, he's at a precise offset from his normal position. Like imagine his ghost where he's meant to be, and add the "breakaway amount" [2015-04-16 14:14:19] Redslash: Yeah yeah, you can. It's 75% too [2015-04-16 14:14:21] 0xA101: I mean I guess it's possible because I just did it but I'm assuming it's not useful since you need exp/tech points [2015-04-16 14:14:40] 0xA101: I'm literally just trying to work on movement and I keep running into weird stuff ;A; [2015-04-16 14:15:16] Jackafur: so trying to move him around after you broke him away is basically no good then? [2015-04-16 14:15:43] Redslash: It's useful if you drop the Nizbel II fadeout by accident and want to avoid extra fight [2015-04-16 14:15:52] DrunkenDraconian: I'm going to do like 20 setups and record by coords, it feels like it is mostly the same few places each time [2015-04-16 14:16:07] DrunkenDraconian: you can slide him more the same way you did it first [2015-04-16 14:16:31] Redslash: Well, moving him around afterward is still good [2015-04-16 14:16:38] Jackafur: i meant just walking around with him. with out trying to break him away more [2015-04-16 14:17:05] Redslash: I actually didn't think about that much, we might be able to work with that... [2015-04-16 14:17:14] Jackafur: like reaching bucket and then moving around for something more precise for instance [2015-04-16 14:17:30] Jackafur: cause ive tried that with not much success [2015-04-16 14:18:06] Redslash: It would take some figuring out but that'd be great to do [2015-04-16 14:18:12] Jackafur: cause ive gotten some really easy setups w/ robo just to the left of the lamp post. [2015-04-16 14:18:13] DrunkenDraconian: around spekkio's door and half onscreen to the right are the positions i've had the most luck with [2015-04-16 14:18:27] Jackafur: like in one motion [2015-04-16 14:18:42] Jackafur: but if i try to put him there after reaching bucket/after im done breaking away [2015-04-16 14:18:45] Jackafur: it doesnt seem to work [2015-04-16 14:18:48] Jackafur: if you follow what i mean? [2015-04-16 14:20:03] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, i think there is a wrap point. i've slid him so high that he comes from the bottom [2015-04-16 14:20:15] Jackafur: i dont even know what ive had the most luck with. ive gotten it with robo all over the place. by spekkio door. south of the bucket. Ive gotten a bunch of times where robo and lucca meet up at the same time. [2015-04-16 14:20:19] Jackafur: i dunno shits so random [2015-04-16 14:21:52] 0xA101: I wonder like, what the specific requirements are [2015-04-16 14:22:07] DrunkenDraconian: yeah I've been aiming at the exact moment robo breaks away, before Lucca [2015-04-16 14:22:15] 0xA101: like it seems to be so different every time but there's likely something tying it all together ?? [2015-04-16 14:22:17] Jackafur: and the bad zips i dont get either [2015-04-16 14:23:43] Jackafur: like why you get bad zip or why you go up no matter what your timing is [2015-04-16 14:23:49] Jackafur: those are the things i dont really understand [2015-04-16 14:24:30] Jackafur: cause you know how normally if you go up it means you are early. or if they follow after you that means you are late. [2015-04-16 14:24:48] Jackafur: what's the deal when crono goes up no matter what your timing is [2015-04-16 14:26:20] Redslash: The coordinate =) [2015-04-16 14:26:39] Redslash: It's just as precise as the 4-frame cycles we're matching up [2015-04-16 14:26:39] Jackafur: so bad zips and go up all the time are just bad x and y? [2015-04-16 14:26:59] Jackafur: bad coord for who though? [2015-04-16 14:27:21] Redslash: For Robo [2015-04-16 14:27:39] Jackafur: i see [2015-04-16 14:27:53] Jackafur: i guess i should of figured that [2015-04-16 14:29:51] Redslash: But it is still cyclical. Sometimes 6 good pixels then 2 bad, or 2 good pixels then 6 bad, and I'm not really sure what all determines that either [2015-04-16 14:30:17] Jackafur: what a dumb video games [2015-04-16 14:30:46] 0xA101: agreed [2015-04-16 14:30:56] 0xA101: but I still wanna learn this trick lol [2015-04-16 14:32:24] Jackafur: shit you still have the lua script for the boxes and coords red? [2015-04-16 14:32:27] Jackafur: i think i deleted it by accident [2015-04-16 14:33:39] *** *** [2015-04-16 14:33:44] Jackafur: ty [2015-04-16 14:33:52] 0xA101: he sent it to me the other day and assuming he hasn't updated it, this should work c: [2015-04-16 14:34:02] 0xA101: I loved messing around with it [2015-04-16 14:42:29] Jackafur: would you guys be interested in screen shots of coords that work? [2015-04-16 14:43:49] Redslash: Guess we should collect those [2015-04-16 14:44:09] 0xA101: that would be cool [2015-04-16 14:45:04] Redslash: Hm, I could have the script write them to the Lua window, so you can copy-paste [2015-04-16 14:45:57] Redslash: I meant to make a script to test a bunch of coordinates, but it was a pain. Robo's eyes though, that might help with it... [2015-04-16 14:46:36] DrunkenDraconian: i'm about 15 in now, there are definite ranges for robo's coord [2015-04-16 14:47:54] DrunkenDraconian: 280-2AA, 100-13A [2015-04-16 14:48:25] DrunkenDraconian: in that window about 50% of the time [2015-04-16 14:51:08] Jackafur: heres a weird one that works [2015-04-16 14:51:11] Jackafur: 245, 196 [2015-04-16 14:51:23] Jackafur: that's when he's south of the bucket [2015-04-16 14:57:14] DrunkenDraconian: so are we going to do a menu in front of the bucket to try and close on the period from now on? [2015-04-16 14:57:41] Jackafur: man i dont even know any more [2015-04-16 15:07:21] DrunkenDraconian: yeah man, my breakaway setup yields 2 distinct ranges for robo's coordinates. one 50% one 25% the rest nothing i can see yet. If we can find a setup that has a window of ranges that are mostly good maybe we can tip the scales.... I wish i knew how to test these coords to see if they were "good" [2015-04-16 15:08:50] Jackafur: you have any videos of your setups? [2015-04-16 15:09:14] DrunkenDraconian: I'll so a quick stream in a bit to record it [2015-04-16 15:09:21] Jackafur: word let me know [2015-04-16 15:09:44] Jackafur: any way i found 2 coords that are really close to each other that work [2015-04-16 15:10:00] Jackafur: 1cc, ofd and 1c1, ofa [2015-04-16 15:11:08] Jackafur: so im wishingly thinking that between those spaces work [2015-04-16 15:11:09] Jackafur: https://imgur.com/JzzT6P0,I4nyLQ2 [2015-04-16 15:12:59] DrunkenDraconian: skinny Crono hype, lol [2015-04-16 15:15:19] DrunkenDraconian: the thing to note about my "setup" is that i have not gotten it since i've changed to it, my main focus was consistant breakaway [2015-04-16 15:17:44] Jackafur: this one was a colossal mistake [2015-04-16 15:17:45] Jackafur: https://i.imgur.com/hlqJhbG.jpg [2015-04-16 15:17:47] Jackafur: but it worked [2015-04-16 15:18:08] Jackafur: also I swear I held A on after 1999 and it worked but I coudlnt hold A any time after the first time [2015-04-16 15:18:43] Jackafur: yea wtf some times I hold A and he goes up and sometimes its perfect [2015-04-16 15:18:45] Jackafur: what's up with that? [2015-04-16 15:23:30] Redslash: closing Gaspar on different frames? [2015-04-16 15:23:49] Jackafur: nah I saved by accident on the 1999 text [2015-04-16 15:23:52] Jackafur: so im reloading from there [2015-04-16 15:24:09] Redslash: Oh, and after 2300 text? [2015-04-16 15:24:14] Jackafur: yessir [2015-04-16 15:26:20] Redslash: And closing 65M the same? You might have the 4-frame window there instead of the 8-frame [2015-04-16 15:26:44] Jackafur: yea as soon as I hit A on 1999 i dont let go [2015-04-16 15:26:49] Jackafur: and some times it works and some times it doesnt [2015-04-16 15:27:10] DrunkenDraconian: how does holding A work anyway, does the game just input once every 5 frames or something? [2015-04-16 15:28:53] Redslash: Oh I think I've seen that before. Big iunno on that one [2015-04-16 15:29:34] Jackafur: its like [2015-04-16 15:29:47] Jackafur: if I hit A on the 1999 and then double tap it works [2015-04-16 15:29:49] Jackafur: some times [2015-04-16 15:29:57] Jackafur: if I just hold it some times they go up [2015-04-16 15:29:58] Jackafur: or left [2015-04-16 15:30:01] Jackafur: or some times it works [2015-04-16 15:30:06] Jackafur: i dunno its really weird [2015-04-16 15:30:08] Jackafur: fuck this coord [2015-04-16 15:30:30] Redslash: So you're holding before you load state, yeah? Yeah... [2015-04-16 15:30:35] Jackafur: they just went left like 20 times in a row and then on 1 reload it worked [2015-04-16 15:30:39] Jackafur: while holding A the whole time [2015-04-16 15:30:43] Jackafur: even when reloading [2015-04-16 15:31:04] Redslash: Dang [2015-04-16 15:33:39] Redslash: I think I'll try to get all the values Robo can be at where you can hold A, heh... [2015-04-16 15:34:00] DrunkenDraconian: smart [2015-04-16 15:37:10] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrcHuxesXVU&feature=youtu.be [2015-04-16 15:37:16] Jackafur: in the beginning im holding A [2015-04-16 15:37:23] Jackafur: at the end where it works i double tap A [2015-04-16 15:37:33] Jackafur: it does work when you hold A the entire time though some times [2015-04-16 15:43:35] Redslash: You have Cheats Disabled? Even when there's no codes I'm suspicious it lags the emu or something [2015-04-16 15:44:13] Redslash: I have no idea, lol [2015-04-16 15:44:25] Jackafur: umm lemme check [2015-04-16 15:44:36] Jackafur: nah i didnt have disabled [2015-04-16 15:45:17] Redslash: That's my go-to when things are desyncing in movies and stuff, and it always fixes it [2015-04-16 15:45:43] Jackafur: rip [2015-04-16 15:45:45] Jackafur: thought i was on to something [2015-04-16 15:47:30] Redslash: X) Like, no other explanation than hardware, if everything otherwise is frame-by-frame identical, I guess [2015-04-16 15:56:56] 0xA101: I feel so weird and small compared to everyone here lmao like you guys are figuring out a huge thing and I'm sitting here like "wow! I'm consistently able to get the correct seed value when I reload just before the sunken desert!" [2015-04-16 15:57:38] DrunkenDraconian: LSS is useless without a good run before it [2015-04-16 15:57:45] 0xA101: I'm doing such tiny small things and lss for english is so beyond my understanding [2015-04-16 15:57:54] 0xA101: this is true, [2015-04-16 15:58:13] 0xA101: I guess I should still take pride in the small things [2015-04-16 15:59:57] DrunkenDraconian: doing that quick stream now [2015-04-16 16:02:10] 0xA101: link to stream? [2015-04-16 16:02:14] Jackafur: its beyond my understanding too but I did first on english lol [2015-04-16 16:02:22] DrunkenDraconian: http://www.twitch.tv/drunkendraconian [2015-04-16 16:02:27] 0xA101: thanks! [2015-04-16 16:02:34] 0xA101: also yeah that's incredble that you did it at all [2015-04-16 16:02:58] 0xA101: I figured it was possible on english but it seemed so like...difficult [2015-04-16 16:02:59] Jackafur: I mean pretty sure chaos did it w/ save states first [2015-04-16 16:03:01] Jackafur: but i dunno [2015-04-16 16:03:12] 0xA101: was that on english or j? [2015-04-16 16:03:15] 0xA101: I remember it happening [2015-04-16 16:03:18] Jackafur: i dunno [2015-04-16 16:04:18] Redslash: It was english [2015-04-16 16:04:24] 0xA101: ah okay [2015-04-16 16:04:45] Jackafur: so then i was the first to do it on E w/ out save states [2015-04-16 16:05:35] Redslash: Yeah dude [2015-04-16 16:05:58] Jackafur: I dunno I just remember doing it and every one was freaking out the next day lol [2015-04-16 16:06:29] 0xA101: it's a big deal/cool thing/super neat and ridiculous to pull off [2015-04-16 16:06:44] Redslash: Haha yeah, it was a milestone [2015-04-16 16:06:52] 0xA101: did you have any idea what you were doing/how it works or did you just go for it? [2015-04-16 16:06:58] Jackafur: well [2015-04-16 16:07:07] Jackafur: i was sitting here debating on switching to J cause of LSS [2015-04-16 16:07:15] Jackafur: so I asked red if you could do it on E [2015-04-16 16:07:30] Jackafur: and i dont really remember what he said [2015-04-16 16:07:38] Jackafur: but i think he said yea but no one has done it or something like that [2015-04-16 16:07:53] Jackafur: so i started looking into how red does it [2015-04-16 16:07:58] Jackafur: then I found chaos [2015-04-16 16:08:09] Jackafur: saw how he was setting it up and just started messing with it and got it [2015-04-16 16:09:03] Redslash: I basically said "no" lmao... I linked you the TAS and thought it would deter you =3 [2015-04-16 16:10:24] Redslash: But you grinded the shit out of it instead, and now we gotta solve it X) [2015-04-16 16:10:24] Jackafur: yea the TAS offered nothing basically [2015-04-16 16:10:27] Jackafur: cause its insane [2015-04-16 16:10:31] Redslash: Hehe [2015-04-16 16:10:59] 0xA101: yeah I remember just grinding stuff without really knowing what the hell I was doing when I tried this on j last year [2015-04-16 16:11:26] Redslash: To be fair, we got a lot of wrong ideas from the TAS starting out, just trying to copy it [2015-04-16 16:11:32] 0xA101: true, yeah [2015-04-16 16:11:44] Redslash: For example, 1999-first. Probably the biggest mislead [2015-04-16 16:12:16] 0xA101: yes I remember that [2015-04-16 16:12:42] 0xA101: I remember thinking that maybe the menus could come up in a different order and it could still work but I didn't like...think anything of it [2015-04-16 16:12:52] 0xA101: I just assumed that whatever the tas did was the ONLY way to do it [2015-04-16 16:13:30] Redslash: The other small thing was, he does the first swap well before the corner. Took me a while to realize we need a much later swap [2015-04-16 16:14:41] Redslash: But it was mysterious to the TASers too, no fault there [2015-04-16 16:18:01] Jackafur: thanks for streaming it btw [2015-04-16 16:18:11] 0xA101: yes, that was a really informative stream~ [2015-04-16 16:19:05] 0xA101: I'm reminded of grinding out candy skip around two years ago now and how I spent so long trying to figure out this one tiny thing [2015-04-16 16:19:19] 0xA101: I still don't fully understand it but I get it consistently anyway, at this point it's just muscle memory [2015-04-16 16:19:58] 0xA101: all this stuff with lss feels like stringing together a bunch of candy skips to me lol [2015-04-16 16:20:36] 0xA101: obviously it's not that simple but you get what I mean [2015-04-16 16:21:13] Redslash: It's actually frame perfect, right? I couldn't find 2 consecutive frames where candy skip worked, lol [2015-04-16 16:21:18] 0xA101: yeah, it's frame perfect [2015-04-16 16:22:01] 0xA101: it's weird because people have asked me to explain it and I find it so hard to lmao because all I can say is "idk, I just KNOW it now, I just know what I need to do and when I need to" and I still miss it [2015-04-16 16:22:09] DrunkenDraconian: i just think of Candy skip like captain skip with a right left instead of a menu [2015-04-16 16:22:11] 0xA101: but part of me hopes, in some way, lss can get to that point with everyone [2015-04-16 16:22:45] 0xA101: we just kinda "know" what to do/how to do it and get it often enough [2015-04-16 16:23:05] Jackafur: i just want any thing semi consistant at this point [2015-04-16 16:23:14] Jackafur: like I just want to be able to get it within 10 minutes in a run [2015-04-16 16:23:18] 0xA101: yeah, I feel that [2015-04-16 16:23:43] Jackafur: its so dumb. The first time I got it. I got it within 2 hours of learning it. [2015-04-16 16:23:50] Jackafur: I thought "oh this aint so bad" I was so naive [2015-04-16 16:23:53] 0xA101: right!!!! [2015-04-16 16:23:57] 0xA101: I know exactly what you mean lmao [2015-04-16 16:24:09] 0xA101: I got candy skip like the third or fourth time I tried ng+ and then I didn't get it again for a week [2015-04-16 16:33:30] Redslash: Once in a while someone says they're gonna go for candy skip in any%, just to save some frames [2015-04-16 16:33:40] 0xA101: does it really save frames? [2015-04-16 16:33:44] 0xA101: I thought it didn't save time at all [2015-04-16 16:33:46] 0xA101: or it wasted time [2015-04-16 16:33:48] Redslash: There needs to be at least 1 run with it, lol [2015-04-16 16:33:49] DrunkenDraconian: I always go for it ;) [2015-04-16 16:33:59] 0xA101: LOL well I'm definitely gonna go for it every time [2015-04-16 16:34:07] Redslash: It saves some, heh [2015-04-16 16:34:29] DrunkenDraconian: only issue is it throws off your splits [2015-04-16 16:34:40] Redslash: Doesn't it save? I think so [2015-04-16 16:34:50] 0xA101: it throws off your splits? [2015-04-16 16:34:52] Redslash: Oh yeah lmao, good point [2015-04-16 16:35:02] ElGranJerry: that's the only reason I don't go for it [2015-04-16 16:35:06] ElGranJerry: aside that I've never got it [2015-04-16 16:35:24] ElGranJerry: Reset over candy skip in Any% :) [2015-04-16 16:35:32] Jackafur: i hate this game so much. i went to show my fiance how to check for bad setups. like bad coord. you know bad zips and what not. [2015-04-16 16:35:36] Jackafur: and i got it first try [2015-04-16 16:35:42] 0xA101: LOL oh nooooooo [2015-04-16 16:36:12] 0xA101: I mean at least you got it again but oh my god [2015-04-16 16:38:49] 0xA101: something else I found with the sa glitch in eot before zombor, sometimes I can heal twice before warping out? like I accidentally brought up the hp/mp healed text box twice when I was following the setup from the .smv and it allowed me to move for a few frames before flying away but idk if that's helpful or not [2015-04-16 16:39:38] 0xA101: I tried doing it a few more times and even with the text coming up twice, I pulled it off but idk if I just got lucky or what I did to make that possible [2015-04-16 16:41:14] DrunkenDraconian: i still need to practice that. US EOT SA just wet my whistle for LSS [2015-04-16 16:41:25] 0xA101: hahaha yeah [2015-04-16 16:41:43] 0xA101: even though it doesn't save much time it looks cool as hell and it almost feels like a warmup [2015-04-16 16:44:16] DrunkenDraconian: How many LSS in all endings again? (devil) [2015-04-16 16:48:13] 0xA101: oh my god wait no you'd have to skip the shell multiple times in all endings? [2015-04-16 16:48:31] DrunkenDraconian: i suppose you just fight the gauntlet then leave [2015-04-16 16:48:38] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, now that i think about it... [2015-04-16 16:49:16] ElGranJerry: if you fight gauntlet, do BIT, is the gauntlet gone next time you go? [2015-04-16 16:50:21] DrunkenDraconian: might be faster if you are good enough at it lol. I'd love to see all ending turn into a Swag% or even not-fakehundo [2015-04-16 16:51:14] 0xA101: just thinking about doing lss more than once ever is giving me a headache [2015-04-16 16:54:23] Redslash: I decided to try All Endings on J, lol... I'd only LSS after Mt.Woe, to get the Prophet ending. Just to skip getting thrown out of Zeal twice [2015-04-16 16:55:43] Redslash: Er, after Mt.Woe is also when I get Greendream. So I have it for Ocean Palace Lavos (Developer ending) [2015-04-16 16:56:49] 0xA101: how many hours do you think it would take after doing some routing for it? since the last run was 12ish hours and obda said he could see it being around or less than 10 hours [2015-04-16 16:57:51] Obdajr: if there's lineline or back in time shenanigans, it could be much faster even [2015-04-16 16:59:19] Redslash: Yeah, I've got back-in-time routed out for it Obda =) [2015-04-16 17:01:47] Redslash: It's unfortunate that we need to do Black Omen and get Rainbow and stuff, all for the 1 last ending which is a Crono/Marle only fight [2015-04-16 17:06:45] Redslash: With really efficient grinding (~28 seconds per 6-egg fight)... I think Pink Nu could be possible under 10 hours [2015-04-16 17:09:30] 0xA101: yeah when I was building my ng+ file on my j cart I had 4 or 5 eggs with ~30 second battles and got up to max level in like...around 10 or 11 hours? from like, level 50 or something I think, I can't remember too well [2015-04-16 17:09:56] 0xA101: those eggs are a lifesaver honestly [2015-04-16 17:10:20] ElGranJerry: you bring SA, to use shelter and replentish MP? [2015-04-16 17:10:28] ElGranJerry: or just lots of ethers [2015-04-16 17:12:01] DrunkenDraconian: ooh that's a slick plan [2015-04-16 17:16:57] Redslash: Oh yeah, S/A wouldn't be too hard, and shelters are cheap [2015-04-16 17:23:48] Redslash: That weirded me out. 2268exp you get from them is exactly 28x81, so 81exp per second [2015-04-16 17:36:54] Redslash: Thanks for stream DD, just checked it [2015-04-16 17:39:22] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I'm still poking at it [2015-04-16 17:40:39] DrunkenDraconian: aiming again for consistancy in slide, I'm just worried that making the setup too drawn out will cost time on something that can still easily go wrong. [2015-04-16 17:47:51] Redslash: Like, I remember reading now about a follow buffer. We should try to find it [2015-04-16 17:48:54] DrunkenDraconian: i was thinking that [2015-04-16 17:49:58] DrunkenDraconian: it's on the tasvideos somewhere lol [2015-04-16 17:53:19] DrunkenDraconian: it's 128 prev values, you need to slide for all 128 then it deletes them all [2015-04-16 17:54:39] DrunkenDraconian: if we can find a way to stop right then robo is locked where he stands at the moment of breakaway [2015-04-16 17:55:04] DrunkenDraconian: in relation to Crono [2015-04-16 17:59:40] Redslash: Ah yeah, found the mention of 128. Would it be 16 tiles of running? And then what about when he barely breaks away... I'd like to see what's happening in the buffer during the lag and stuff [2015-04-16 18:00:37] DrunkenDraconian: i think it's null, cant read crono's position.. [2015-04-16 18:02:31] DrunkenDraconian: wow, idfk lol [2015-04-16 18:02:45] DrunkenDraconian: what just happened? [2015-04-16 18:03:19] DrunkenDraconian: lucca is long gone, Robo, still there [2015-04-16 18:03:34] Redslash: Welp [2015-04-16 18:03:46] Redslash: I guess they have separate buffers [2015-04-16 18:05:29 | Edited 18:05:36] Redslash: Idk, something's missing. I'm not sure the buffer just clears. It might. [2015-04-16 18:05:37] DrunkenDraconian: i just slid lucca again, just a tiny bit but not robo [2015-04-16 18:06:26] DrunkenDraconian: i should really be focusing on some runs instead of this [2015-04-16 18:07:45] Redslash: Hehe, tfw it all starts coming apart [2015-04-16 18:08:03] Redslash: That's when I take the day off too [2015-04-16 18:08:53] Redslash: Need that buffer [2015-04-16 18:50:06] DrunkenDraconian: oooo #3 w no savestates, hello semi consistant slide [2015-04-16 18:54:22] DrunkenDraconian: if you can give me a visual cue red I think we are close [2015-04-16 19:13:26] DrunkenDraconian: {{expired?}}http://www.twitch.tv/drunkendraconian/b/650790121 [2015-04-16 20:58:21] Redslash: Hum... You can breakaway by running straight left-right in the stretch between buckets, in 4 menus... [2015-04-16 21:00:58] Redslash: It's kinda hard, but maybe that's a good thing. Actually end up with Robo partially on screen, which might make a visual easy...? [2015-04-16 21:01:51] Redslash: Oh, starting from the right and running left first [2015-04-16 21:03:14] Redslash: And then follow DD's finding and stay put [2015-04-16 21:03:25] DrunkenDraconian: YES! [2015-04-16 21:04:11 | Edited 21:06:21] DrunkenDraconian: he repeats the movements allong the bottom wall and his breakaway point is somewhere allong the line of the far wall, every time [2015-04-16 21:05:30] DrunkenDraconian: as long as we can normalise things a bit we can get a visual que for his breakaway and where he should be over the door. [2015-04-16 21:05:53] DrunkenDraconian: if we can get artfull we can position robo so we can hold a to get it maybe.... [2015-04-16 21:08:48] DrunkenDraconian: it works best when crono slides very little after the preserve menu, that means he will break along the far wall almost every time [2015-04-16 21:10:28] Redslash: I mean, with this method here, you could check how much of Robo's sprite is visible off the left edge of the screen [2015-04-16 21:10:44] Redslash: It's left-right only, no vertical movement [2015-04-16 21:14:37] Redslash: Haha, it's hard though, need to some cues to get the partial Robo every time [2015-04-16 21:14:45] DrunkenDraconian: almost, there was still some strange jumps every now and then, it's control enough to position Robo in a window around Spekkio's door, and quick enough to try and execute quickly for a run [2015-04-16 21:15:31] DrunkenDraconian: I was not aiming for that specificly [2015-04-16 21:16:36] DrunkenDraconian: I may try and take the door out too [2015-04-16 21:16:43] DrunkenDraconian: tomorrow... lol [2015-04-16 21:18:45] Redslash: Right on =) Feel like we're making progress [2015-04-16 21:20:15] DrunkenDraconian: sub 2:45 [2015-04-16 22:16:41] 0xA101: this is all good news [2015-04-16 22:16:52] 0xA101: I just did my first run and it was actually really good [2015-04-16 22:17:10] 0xA101: 3:51:08 [2015-04-16 22:17:12] 0xA101: http://puu.sh/hgN6X/6d8bc3d233.png [2015-04-16 22:17:23] 0xA101: xspit crashed so I lost the local recording :c [2015-04-16 22:18:14] ElGranJerry: Nice, congrats :) [2015-04-16 22:18:31] 0xA101: I was aiming for sub 4 hours my first run and I got it by way more than I expected [2015-04-16 22:19:17] 0xA101: I was surprised at how well things went, didn't have to pull too many backup strats, though from magus' castle to the end I was losing time everywhere :c [2015-04-16 23:36:15] Redslash: Not bad! Grats, yo =) [2015-04-16 23:36:22] 0xA101: thank you! c: [2015-04-16 23:39:33] 0xA101: actually while I have you here, I've been wondering all day how exactly the flea fight works? because you're only attacked once and frog takes over from there, [2015-04-16 23:40:07] 0xA101: I would guess that the spacing between frog's attacks has something to do with how that battle turns out? idk though lol it just seems so odd [2015-04-16 23:40:20] 0xA101: I never learned the specifics behind how most of these battles work [2015-04-16 23:44:19] Redslash: Yeah Frog's speed 11 is powerful. As far as I understand, his ATB matches up and he cancels Flea's attacks? I'm not sure exactly why attack canceling works though [2015-04-16 23:44:50] 0xA101: that's about what I had figured, that's still pretty weird that it works so well there [2015-04-16 23:47:14] Redslash: It might not be precise at all either, Flea could be somewhat easily canceled. But speed 11 does the trick [2015-04-16 23:58:55] Redslash: This is pretty crazy, might have a simple LSS setup just by accident, with the left/right-only movement [2015-04-16 23:59:24] Redslash: I tried this before too and it didn't work [2015-04-16 23:59:31] 0xA101: oh my god [2015-04-16 23:59:42] 0xA101: I'm interested [2015-04-17 0:01:52] Redslash: When DD showed that you gotta stand still once breakaway happens, it made more sense [2015-04-17 0:02:53] Redslash: But with left/right-only, it's way easier to check Robo's exact position, since it's 1 dimension [2015-04-17 0:04:44] Redslash: Also there's not much room for error doing it this way, so I'm forced to get pretty precise, and getting repeat coordinates often (194 seems usual) [2015-04-17 0:06:57] Redslash: Little room for error is ok though, you only menu in 2 spots so that's all there is to practice [2015-04-17 0:08:55] 0xA101: that's really interesting, we're inching closer and closer~ [2015-04-17 0:11:37] Redslash: For sure. I mean, this looks solid, folks should try this out [2015-04-17 0:12:04] Redslash: 194 is actually bad, but it's extremely easy to see and correct [2015-04-17 0:12:10] 0xA101: right, yeah [2015-04-17 0:12:43] 0xA101: I'm so tired from all the practice I did today I don't feel like touching the game but I'll probably mess around with stuff when I get up tomorrow [2015-04-17 0:14:08] Redslash: Right on, all good. Tomorrow it is happening [2015-04-17 0:15:24] Redslash: And I guess I should get up early to catch it, so I'll call it a day =) [2015-04-17 0:15:40] 0xA101: alright cool, good night friendo! [2015-04-17 0:15:47] 0xA101: we'll nail this skip c: [2015-04-17 0:16:23] Redslash: Absolutely. 'Night! [2015-04-17 8:47:14] DrunkenDraconian: So close I can taste it. 5 good zips in 10 trys on console [2015-04-17 9:26:44] Jackafur: i did it [2015-04-17 9:26:48] Jackafur: got it in a run [2015-04-17 9:27:01] Jackafur: I got it 4th try messed up the last part and broke my controller lol [2015-04-17 9:27:06] Jackafur: plugged in my other controller and got it [2015-04-17 9:27:11] Jackafur: 3:03:52 [2015-04-17 9:28:22] DrunkenDraconian: nice one [2015-04-17 9:30:52] SnesWarrior: gg dude [2015-04-17 9:31:59] Jackafur: brb gonna try and salvage this SFC controller [2015-04-17 9:52:08] Redslash: Awesome man, grats [2015-04-17 9:53:04] Jackafur: thanks [2015-04-17 9:53:15] Jackafur: i really wish I didnt break my SFC controller though [2015-04-17 9:53:27] Jackafur: i just smacked it across my desk like a dumbass [2015-04-17 9:54:03] Jackafur: I used to have like 5 SFC controllers. I gave them all away T_T [2015-04-17 9:55:57] Jackafur: uploading it to youtube right now so. [2015-04-17 11:54:07] DrunkenDraconian: I'm not quite sure what you were saying Red. how are you getting a breakaway so quickly and without diaginals? [2015-04-17 12:40:52] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ip80Gs4Kh4 [2015-04-17 12:56:59] Redslash: Oh baby [2015-04-17 12:57:26] 0xA101: I'm so excited and proud of you! this is amazing! [2015-04-17 12:59:48] Jackafur: you can kinda tell when I broke my controller [2015-04-17 12:59:55] Jackafur: cause i dont do anything for like a minute [2015-04-17 13:00:39] Jackafur: so yea next run hopefully will be ditching marle after 2300 [2015-04-17 13:01:09] Jackafur: i also forgot to change my battle speed for lavos [2015-04-17 13:01:14] Jackafur: that run coulda easily been under 3 [2015-04-17 13:01:54] 0xA101: you'll get it next time, for sure c: [2015-04-17 13:02:34] Jackafur: yea hopefully. that would be sick. Also hopefully comcast stops being a piece of shit so I can actually stream it [2015-04-17 13:13:33] Redslash: Yo DD, the break just looks like this https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxUnVvZDdOSnZRMGs [2015-04-17 13:17:46] Redslash: Problem is, a specific coordinate doesn't always work... we're missing something probably in the break process, even if you get the same resulting position (194 is commonish) [2015-04-17 13:18:22] Redslash: Or I should go by Robo's position when he catches up at the heal bucket: 176 [2015-04-17 13:37:59] Jackafur: of course the yetee has a mishcief makers shirt for sale today [2015-04-17 13:56:09] 0xA101: that looks a bit easier than previous setups [2015-04-17 13:56:23] 0xA101: weird that left/right movement is enough for robo to break [2015-04-17 14:11:09] Jackafur: wow [2015-04-17 14:11:15] Jackafur: I got it first try w/ that strat red [2015-04-17 14:17:28] Redslash: Sweet [2015-04-17 14:18:08] Jackafur: but now im having problems w/ it lol [2015-04-17 14:20:30] Redslash: Seems like you want to get as near to touching the walls as you can, but not touch them [2015-04-17 14:21:37] Jackafur: yea that seemed to help [2015-04-17 14:23:28] Redslash: It's simple enough tho that we should be able to pretty thoroughly test it [2015-04-17 14:26:37] Redslash: I really wanted the savepoint setup to work, lol [2015-04-17 14:28:02] Redslash: Hold A, buffer a turnaround at save screen, buffer again using Spekkio's door... it'd still be messy even if it worked [2015-04-17 14:31:00] Ottavino: what determines if you are sent in 2300 or 1999? [2015-04-17 14:35:35] Ottavino: because i always go in 2300 with a left zip [2015-04-17 14:36:36] Redslash: Good zip is not only direction, but also make sure P2 doesn't zip until 1.5 seconds after Crono goes (you shouldn't be able to see Lucca zip at all) [2015-04-17 14:44:17] Redslash: Hmm... are you holding A for 2300 and 1999 texts? [2015-04-17 14:46:58] Ottavino: ok, i know what was wrong, i started with a save with lucca and marle then swap marle for robo [2015-04-17 14:47:50] Ottavino: if i start from a save with lucca and robo, P2 coord are FF00 [2015-04-17 14:48:30] Ottavino: i mean 1805,1804 and 1885,1884 are FF00 [2015-04-17 14:50:31] Redslash: Hmm ok, but you can also get that bad zip from closing Gaspar's text on a bad frame (2 in 4) [2015-04-17 14:51:18] Redslash: Oh, the 2 in 4 combined with closing 65M too early... It's complex [2015-04-17 14:53:08] Ottavino: does chrono coord matter? [2015-04-17 14:57:34] Redslash: I think it's just Robo's distance, but Robo sometimes crosses the distance in different ways... I don't know if Crono's coord controls anything [2015-04-17 15:25:59] Redslash: Here's the table of results too, Otta. For all four of the 4-frame cycles http://pastebin.com/pmLumV8u [2015-04-17 15:26:43] DrunkenDraconian: if anything with crono, i try to be a pixel or 2 below the bucket, close enough to activate 1999. Feels like i gain on the window to start the mad dash to the corner [2015-04-17 15:29:48] Redslash: Oh yeah! That would help. One thing I tried too was sometimes you can run down a tiny bit just before the zip, ha ha... idk if it was any good [2015-04-17 15:31:42] DrunkenDraconian: nice, also [2015-04-17 15:32:04] DrunkenDraconian: troll smv, turns off too late to try it [2015-04-17 15:35:56] ElGranJerry: Red's Masa strat works like a charm for 100%. I estimate 10-15s saved, but because you equip Plasma gun it adds a unequip at Masa skip [2015-04-17 15:36:05] ElGranJerry: so lets say 7-12s saved [2015-04-17 15:37:21] Redslash: I don't think the gun you have matters though, before Wondershot. Just that you have a gun [2015-04-17 15:37:40] ElGranJerry: yeah red, but you lose it in black bird [2015-04-17 15:37:57] Redslash: Should have Airgun though, then [2015-04-17 15:38:15] ElGranJerry: when you equip something over air gun it dissapears [2015-04-17 15:38:27] ElGranJerry: oh wait [2015-04-17 15:38:28] ElGranJerry: I sold it [2015-04-17 15:38:31] ElGranJerry: nvm [2015-04-17 15:38:36] ElGranJerry: so don't sell air gun then I guess [2015-04-17 15:38:40] ElGranJerry: my b [2015-04-17 15:39:47] ElGranJerry: and Masa doesn't work with Crono 148 hp [2015-04-17 15:39:58] Redslash: Yeah I didn't think about that. It's like not selling Plasmagun, but the shop sequence is all different too [2015-04-17 15:40:08] ElGranJerry: so gotta grab a shelter somewhere (factory is the easiest one imo [2015-04-17 15:40:30] Redslash: Ah dang, yeah EoT S/A kinda fits the strat best [2015-04-17 15:40:44] ElGranJerry: for sure [2015-04-17 15:40:55] ElGranJerry: but I am not going for it yet in runs [2015-04-17 15:41:05] ElGranJerry: I have like a 1/10 consistency [2015-04-17 15:43:19] Redslash: Fair enough. Yeah sheltering when you use the tabs would be easy [2015-04-17 15:43:31] ElGranJerry: Yeah, I do all the menu in Denadoro [2015-04-17 15:43:40] ElGranJerry: works out fine [2015-04-17 15:44:24] ElGranJerry: Also, I modified the route a bit, if someone wants it just ask and I will send it. I don't want to upload it yet since I want to check for minor menu/minor updates [2015-04-17 15:44:38] ElGranJerry: Masa Boss Notes and stuff I will do this weekend as well [2015-04-17 15:45:54] Redslash: Oh right, I'm not sure even the new one works on VC though [2015-04-17 15:47:37] ElGranJerry: ah dang [2015-04-17 15:47:37] ElGranJerry: true [2015-04-17 15:47:45] ElGranJerry: I can't test that :( [2015-04-17 15:52:10] Redslash: Same [2015-04-17 17:21:18] DrunkenDraconian: does your game crash sometimes when trying LSS? like freeze, graphical glitches? [2015-04-17 17:26:03] DrunkenDraconian: also, if you notice a breakaway but see it was a bit late, tap right after you stop running.it will put you close enough to maybe save the attempt [2015-04-17 17:37:36] Redslash: Huh, can't say I've seen that [2015-04-17 18:13:35] Redslash: Elixir-glitched Pink Nu for the first time, heh. Finally check that off my list [2015-04-17 18:15:33] Redslash: I cheated though =) Someone's gotta do it for real now [2015-04-17 18:15:50] ElGranJerry: lol [2015-04-17 18:15:50] ElGranJerry: with who? [2015-04-17 18:16:07] ElGranJerry: cheats or no that's nice man :) [2015-04-17 18:18:11] Redslash: I had a file where everyone's max speed, whoever's P2 seems to work [2015-04-17 18:18:17] DrunkenDraconian: it was my power supply, good thing i have a few extra [2015-04-17 18:18:49] ElGranJerry: Marle elixir glitch sounds best [2015-04-17 18:19:51] Redslash: 6 hours of grinding, gotta make it count [2015-04-17 18:19:56] Redslash: Dang DD, that's crazy [2015-04-17 18:25:04] Redslash: I guess playing to Pink Nu over and over is the fastest way to get tabs? [2015-04-17 18:25:12] 0xA101: that's what I did [2015-04-17 18:25:19] 0xA101: worked pretty well [2015-04-17 18:27:33] Redslash: Ah! This is the chance to use Lifeline to elixir glitch! I gotta get to work [2015-04-17 18:28:03] 0xA101: I'm literally clapping my hands with excitement because so much is happening all the time lmao [2015-04-17 18:30:38] Redslash: Pink Nu RTA starting with a Level 99 file sounds more fun, lol [2015-04-17 18:32:24] Puwexil: defeat all spekkio forms RTA [2015-04-17 18:32:38] 0xA101: oh man I like that one a lot [2015-04-17 18:34:33] Redslash: Whew... I could get behind that [2015-04-18 9:03:00] SnesWarrior: So I was chilling in Xelna's stream last night and I think there is going to be a casual CT race with Xelna/ Runnerwatcher sometime today [2015-04-18 11:35:27] Puwexil: is the load timing for the berserk masa/mune strat really tight? [2015-04-18 11:35:55] Puwexil: I've tried it a few times, but most of my attempts are failing on the denadoro battle because of not running away fast enough, which messes up the RNG [2015-04-18 11:38:33] Redslash: Quick bright load, not too tight. Crono does need to attack [2015-04-18 11:39:58] Puwexil: yeah, though the goblin is attacking before I run away fairly often [2015-04-18 11:41:27] Redslash: Ah, gotcha. Hmm... used all the tabs and everything? The boss itself is pretty sensitive to all your stats [2015-04-18 11:42:21] Puwexil: yeah, I've been using 1 of each kind of tab on crono before resetting, and changing BS to 1 [2015-04-18 11:43:40] Puwexil: only 1 attempt that made it past the goblin managed to skip masa/mune's tornado phase, and robo died because of extra attacks that your video seemed to skip [2015-04-18 11:48:32] Redslash: Did Robo get the crit on his first move? [2015-04-18 11:51:56] Puwexil: was last night so I can't remember - doing some more attempts at http://www.hitbox.tv/puwexil [2015-04-18 11:52:54] ElGranJerry: Did Crono ha ve 161 hp? [2015-04-18 11:53:05] Puwexil: yes [2015-04-18 11:54:37] ElGranJerry: Hmm weird [2015-04-18 11:55:03] ElGranJerry: For running away I hold it as soon as the battle starts. Crono attacks anyways [2015-04-18 11:55:10] ElGranJerry: I cant think of anything else.. [2015-04-18 11:56:46] Puwexil: and there we go - didn't skip tornado phase [2015-04-18 11:57:08] Puwexil: I waited for crono to attack twice, then had robo attack and lucca fire, waited for 2 more crono attacks, then held X [2015-04-18 11:58:34] Puwexil: I'll give it 1 more shot [2015-04-18 11:59:02] Puwexil: goblin'd [2015-04-18 12:04:48] Puwexil: tornado'd again - probably going to stick with the antipode strats unless you guys have any idea what I'm doing wrong [2015-04-18 12:09:42] Puwexil: watching red's video back it's playing out the same until masa moves towards lucca - for red he just walks away but for me he attacks lucca [2015-04-18 12:09:47] Puwexil: then winds crono, then tornados [2015-04-18 12:15:13] Redslash: Dang, I'll check it as soon as I get a chance [2015-04-18 12:17:07] Redslash: Sorta found backup load... it's bright (can be late) and fight the 3 blue birds (let Crono attack all) [2015-04-18 12:18:08] Redslash: It's 5F, but it still works if Crono has the crit instead of Robo [2015-04-18 12:28:09] Redslash: Ah shucks, no past recordings? Or, I'm not too familiar with Hitbox.. [2015-04-18 12:53:16] Puwexil: oops, didn't have save recordings enabled - dumb for that not to be a default setting [2015-04-18 12:53:28] Puwexil: I'll record another attempt [2015-04-18 13:03:53] Puwexil: http://www.hitbox.tv/video/491898 [2015-04-18 13:50:54] Redslash: Hmm, wow.. and this's console? [2015-04-18 13:50:59] Puwexil: yeah [2015-04-18 13:51:31] Puwexil: SD2SNES flash cart if that matter (which it never has so far compared to original cart) [2015-04-18 13:56:46] Redslash: Maybe there's something I didn't catch, but I'm stumped. [2015-04-18 13:57:11] Redslash: Probably time for a new fight sooner or later, ha [2015-04-18 13:57:58] Puwexil: for all those resets on the goblin at the start of the video, I was holding L/R as the battle started [2015-04-18 13:59:16] Redslash: That 2nd one I think, where Lucca and Robo's turn came up, looked maybe too fast of a load [2015-04-18 14:05:25] Redslash: Sorry about it not working [2015-04-18 14:05:34] Redslash: Let's skip Masa [2015-04-18 14:06:03 | Edited 14:06:22] Puwexil: no prob - I'm having much better luck with the antipode strat now [2015-04-18 14:06:45] Puwexil: turned out the problems I was having before were due to outspeeding him earlier in the fight [2015-04-18 14:10:45] Redslash: Oh cool, that makes sense [2015-04-18 14:12:11] Redslash: I even forgot, we used to wait a bit on the 2nd Antipode with regular speed Lucca [2015-04-18 14:12:57 | Edited 14:13:19] Redslash: But after a while we noticed Masa was almost always close enough to Lucca, to not bother waiting [2015-04-18 14:13:38] Puwexil: waiting for him to wind marle before queuing the 3rd antipode is what's giving me a consistent phase 2 [2015-04-18 14:17:40] Redslash: Ahh right on [2015-04-18 15:47:54] ElGranJerry: curious, were you holding L+R or L+R+B when the fight started? [2015-04-18 15:48:44] Puwexil: L+R [2015-04-18 15:48:46] ElGranJerry: If I hold L+R only and hold B when Crono attacks I can't run away 90% of the times [2015-04-18 15:49:16] ElGranJerry: L+R+B gives me 100% consistency on the runaway so far [2015-04-18 15:49:52] ElGranJerry: but yeah, idk what's wrong with your Masa :/ Haven't been able to replicate it [2015-04-18 15:57:43] SnesWarrior: https://secure.twitch.tv/gand988/v/44418147 my boy GanD said we needed some more skips in the run yall [2015-04-18 16:20:41] ElGranJerry: Yeah I've had that happen a few times, but you seem to trigger the fight after a while, even if you stop moving [2015-04-18 16:20:48] ElGranJerry: Would be cool if it worked though [2015-04-18 16:22:56] ElGranJerry: and Puwexil, I could replicate your fight for Masa, if you don't hold X during Crono's attack animation Lucca gets hit, seems to be a small frame window. Idk if that's what has been happening [2015-04-18 16:23:53] ElGranJerry: if that isn't it I am out of ideas [2015-04-18 16:24:04] Puwexil: pretty sure I started holding X either during crono's animation or otherwise before robo's ATB filled, but I'll try again in a bit [2015-04-18 16:30:16] ElGranJerry: kk, it's the only dif I noticed in your video compared to Red's [2015-04-18 16:41:33] Redslash: That skip, how in the heck... I tried like 60 frames each on even-x and odd-x [2015-04-18 16:43:31] SnesWarrior: I'm thinking it might be because of the savestate confusing the game for a second. At least thats the best I could come up with [2015-04-18 16:46:01] SnesWarrior: I mostly find it weird that he actually got the bird encounter.. so the map switched without a S+Q, but the green imp is visible on the left for quite a bit. Really strange [2015-04-18 16:46:50] Puwexil: hmm, last 2 attempts skipped the attack on lucca I was getting before, but still failed because he kept attacking and killed crono or lucca [2015-04-18 16:47:53] Puwexil: never let go of the X button after crono's 4th attack [2015-04-18 16:49:19 | Edited 16:49:29] Redslash: I just assumed bird fight didn't exist when roly fight exists, but the roly fight may really just deactivate birds [2015-04-18 16:51:43] SnesWarrior: Never thought about it that way, makes sense [2015-04-18 16:52:38] ElGranJerry: :/ hmm [2015-04-18 16:59:30 | Edited 16:59:39] Puwexil: yeah, think I'm done with this for now - feeling like I'm wasting time better spent on other stuff [2015-04-18 17:00:32] Puwexil: only killed him once, and it probably wasn't faster than antipode strats because robo died [2015-04-18 17:01:46] ElGranJerry: dang :/ that sucks [2015-04-18 17:02:13] ElGranJerry: probably yeah, fight is 20s faster than antipodes if it goes right [2015-04-18 20:27:45] SnesWarrior: Okay... so has anyone ever got a downward left zip with control(being able to character swap)? I've gotten downward left ones w/o control that take like 40s to actual teleport you anywhere and now I think I know why... theres a huge space at the bottom left, and your characters zip in some weird patterns. I basically had control for 40s and found a junky end of time looking area. Will upload the video soon [2015-04-18 20:31:01] 0xA101: huh, that's really weird [2015-04-18 20:31:19] 0xA101: idk the few times I gave it a shot, that never happened to me [2015-04-18 20:36:32] SnesWarrior: https://www.dropbox.com/s/li5m4u1ypevj6q9/Recording_2015-04-18_22-23-05_0002.ts?dl=0 There's the file, still has 15m to be finished uploading. Dropbox is awesome.... can actually give a link without it being finished >< [2015-04-18 20:51:01] SnesWarrior: Alright its uploaded. Unfortunately only started recording once I reached the weird EoT looking thing, but I had control for about 20s before I found it. It went way further down than I thought was possible. didn't know the map was that big. I thought the edge of that thing was a screen wrap for a second [2015-04-18 21:08:35] 0xA101: lmao what the hell [2015-04-18 21:09:23] 0xA101: I have no idea what that could be other than like, leftover garbage [2015-04-18 21:09:42] 0xA101: as to how you got there, idk, I'm still not that knowledgable regarding lss stuff [2015-04-18 21:10:01] SnesWarrior: I love how the other characters just casually warp by lol [2015-04-18 21:12:16] SnesWarrior: I mean I kind of know why I got warped in that direction, my textbox order was 1999AD, 65BC, 2300AD which isnt normal [2015-04-18 21:14:24] 0xA101: oh, yeah [2015-04-18 21:14:27] 0xA101: that would explain a bit [2015-04-19 1:21:30] Ottavino: http://www.hitbox.tv/video/491898 puwexil I have the exact same fight on dolphin [2015-04-19 16:05:44] Redslash: Lifeline on Spekkio seems kinda hard, but it works [2015-04-19 20:02:26] DrunkenDraconian: maybe this isn't new, it's new to me. if you double-tap then hold at the bucket you get the right order every time [2015-04-19 20:02:59] DrunkenDraconian: mostly.. [2015-04-20 8:57:52] Puwexil: are there any easy ways to get off the RNG route between masa/mune and the megasaur battle? that's the only thing that went wrong yesterday that I still don't understand [2015-04-20 8:58:36] Puwexil: don't think I got attacked in the truce canyon battle before I ran [2015-04-20 8:58:47] Puwexil: but ayla didn't crit the megasaur [2015-04-20 8:59:41] Jackafur: its pretty easy to attack masa too early on 25 hp strats and mess things up [2015-04-20 9:00:04] Jackafur: maybe that? I dunno. Nizbel is so easy I never cared if I was on the right RNG in 65m [2015-04-20 9:02:42] Puwexil: for 25hp I've been delaying crono's 1st attack after tornado phase until masa attacks marle [2015-04-20 10:01:47] ElGranJerry: I was surprised about it as well puwexil, gonna watch the vod cause I went afk for a bit in 65m [2015-04-20 10:07:26] ElGranJerry: hmmm, damages are off from reptites [2015-04-20 10:07:50] ElGranJerry: I think that mid tonic before Masa might have something to do with it? I can't think of anything else, fight looks good [2015-04-20 10:14:53] Puwexil: yeah, never had to heal before masa before - need to rewatch that part and see why [2015-04-20 10:15:10] ElGranJerry: oh, 148 hp works for masa as well [2015-04-20 10:15:11] Puwexil: pretty sure I didn't forget to use the EoT bucket [2015-04-20 10:15:15] ElGranJerry: It depends on acid/alkaline [2015-04-20 10:15:25] ElGranJerry: if you get 4 oranges you lvl later so you have 148 hp there [2015-04-20 10:15:30] Puwexil: ahhh [2015-04-20 10:15:41] ElGranJerry: it just turns 19/25 strats into 6/12 [2015-04-20 10:22:44] Puwexil: ok, if it happens again I guess I'll just plan on always resetting after melchior [2015-04-20 13:58:41] Ottavino: ok, just tested why it desyncs, you were very unlucky on the first reptite fight, it can rarely finish at 86 instead of 87, which desyncs all next battles [2015-04-20 13:59:30] Puwexil: oh wow, so even resetting after melchior wouldn't have made a difference [2015-04-20 14:00:24] Puwexil: thanks for testing [2015-04-20 14:00:58] DrunkenDraconian: you are just too good ;) [2015-04-20 14:04:38] Ottavino: the wrong value (86) seems to happen when you slash when marle and lucca atb are full but only marle menu is up, then when you enter into marle menu to input antipode on the first frames [2015-04-20 14:06:19] Puwexil: interesting - I'll have to pratice that fight and find a way to avoid that [2015-04-20 14:09:50 | Edited 14:10:52] Ottavino: if you see that marle and lucca atbs are full but only marle menu is up, just delay the antipode (0.2 sec seems enough) [2015-04-20 14:15:45] Puwexil: how big is the window to do it before they spread out too far? [2015-04-20 14:46:29] Ottavino: they don't spread out, the left reptite goes up then down. if you wait too long (>1 sec), chrono gets attacked [2015-04-20 23:32:07] Ottavino: https://secure.twitch.tv/gand988/v/44418147 [2015-04-20 23:37:19] SnesWarrior: lol yeah, isn't that crazy? Redslash and I couldn't reproduce it either [2015-04-20 23:37:56] SnesWarrior: I'm thinking maybe savestate spamming caused it or it might be some rare thing on loading, no clue [2015-04-21 0:09:35] eLmaGus: he just ran over that shit? sick [2015-04-21 0:13:28] eLmaGus: i believe when i tested skipping this without scripts (so i dont know for sure), i realized that the battle trigger is pretty big for this thing, so this seems interesting [2015-04-21 0:29:10 | Removed 0:29:35] eLmaGus: This message has been removed. [2015-04-21 0:29:20] eLmaGus: wrong group [2015-04-21 0:49:04] Redslash: Wow, for the 2nd Reptite fight (the 4), I like to wait for Lucca's turn so I can Slash+Flametoss both on the same target. On 87, Flametoss is redirected to the lower remaining Reptite, but on 86 it goes to the top one, so you can't do a value jump =( [2015-04-21 0:50:11] Ottavino: yeah I saw that [2015-04-22 16:19:31] Jackafur: dang i woulda pb'd if i didnt miss the fade out with ayla at the end [2015-04-22 16:19:42] Jackafur: what a horrible way to lose a PB lol [2015-04-22 16:26:45] Redslash: Ah man, bummer [2015-04-22 16:27:50] Jackafur: yea dude casual 3 minute mistake lol [2015-04-22 16:30:08] Redslash: finished it out though? [2015-04-22 16:30:20] Jackafur: yea i finished just to do it [2015-04-22 16:30:27] Jackafur: got a 3:04 [2015-04-22 16:30:47] Jackafur: i missed the first zip and got it a few times after. wasnt bad. [2015-04-22 16:31:45] Redslash: Sick. Can't wait to see that sub-3 [2015-04-22 16:31:57] Jackafur: yea dude [2015-04-22 16:48:30] Jackafur: what's the check for the right rng on lavos shell? [2015-04-22 16:48:38] Jackafur: its like 758 on DT right? [2015-04-22 16:49:37] Jackafur: hopefully you guys dont mind if I add my fiance. she's learning too. she actually helped me alot with LSS [2015-04-22 16:49:38] Jackafur: so [2015-04-22 16:50:09] ElGranJerry: shell? 253-263 Crono attack on guardian is what I use [2015-04-22 16:50:16] Jackafur: word thanks jerry [2015-04-22 16:50:36] ElGranJerry: np [2015-04-22 18:36:53] Redslash: Hi, welcome! [2015-04-22 18:41:08] Kittyrawr: hello, thanks! [2015-04-22 18:48:16] Redslash: It's amazing how far U LSS has come in the last couple weeks. Happened so fast, lol [2015-04-22 18:48:39] Jackafur: I was pretty determined [2015-04-22 18:49:55] DrunkenDraconian: I've been slowly testing pixels and backups over the last bit [2015-04-22 18:50:03] Jackafur: it sucks potentially wasting 3 hours on a run on a trick you can kinda do [2015-04-22 18:50:06] Jackafur: but i mean it works [2015-04-22 18:51:14] Redslash: I'll have to try a run sometime soon, but I have a J goal to reach first X) [2015-04-22 18:51:21] Jackafur: the worst part for me now is the last part. mashing the menu when you're warping inside lavos shell [2015-04-22 18:51:45] Jackafur: ive tried a ton of different things. but none of it is 100% [2015-04-22 18:51:45] DrunkenDraconian: using visual cues of robo against the side, still looking for that holy grail where you double tap and hold [2015-04-22 18:53:45] Redslash: Yo Jack, if you haven't tried yet, get into the last corner by running left from slightly above it [2015-04-22 18:54:37] Redslash: That is, the corner is actually a small (8-pixel) vertical wall, and being higher against it is optimal [2015-04-22 18:54:58] Jackafur: i think i know what you mean [2015-04-22 18:55:12] Jackafur: im not even sure what I do to get in the corner normally [2015-04-22 18:58:10] Redslash: I notice you skim the lower wall a bit usually. Sorta lining up with the bottom-left pillar will get you in the good spot [2015-04-22 19:00:27] Redslash: Meanwhile, I'm trying to remember how to bring S/A to 1999... feel like it wasn't really complicated, but idk... anyone recall? [2015-04-22 19:01:09] DrunkenDraconian: good zip early switch? [2015-04-22 19:02:40] Redslash: I suppose... I don't remember there being a breakaway even, but likely there was [2015-04-22 19:02:48] Jackafur: yea that seems pretty good red [2015-04-22 19:02:53] DrunkenDraconian: even just in that direction is 50/50 [2015-04-22 19:03:26] Jackafur: hopefully I get better results with this. cause fucking it up at the very end sucks really bad. [2015-04-22 19:04:02] DrunkenDraconian: i think that's the point ;) it's like that rng zip at the end of OOT [2015-04-22 19:04:57] Redslash: Lavos SuperSlide [2015-04-22 19:05:36] DrunkenDraconian: luckily that is only 15 min in and not 2 hours [2015-04-22 19:18:56] DrunkenDraconian: I've also been meaning to ask, I think it was brought up before. the frames that are "good" for closing/confirming are in relation to eachother or a gameclock? [2015-04-22 19:22:48] Redslash: eachother, yeah [2015-04-22 19:24:25] DrunkenDraconian: ok, I'll just keep plugging lol... [2015-04-22 19:36:33] Redslash: Like, let's see... when you stand at the bucket, you can pause and make state. If you input "A-none-A" (advances 3 frames) and get 1999, you know where you saved, then because only 1 in 4 gives you that [2015-04-22 19:38:12] Redslash: Once you find that 1999, the one you want is 1 frame before that, actually ("A-none-A" to get 2300) [2015-04-22 19:39:50] DrunkenDraconian: yeah i get that, there has to be THE PIXEL where you can hold to execute the whole thing [2015-04-22 19:39:53] DrunkenDraconian: i hope [2015-04-22 19:40:59] DrunkenDraconian: hold the 2nd a [2015-04-22 19:42:29] Redslash: Sweet. Yeah, just sharing that nice little process [2015-04-22 19:42:44 | Edited 19:42:56] DrunkenDraconian: I have had the best luck with my backups where robo breaks away on the right instead of the left [2015-04-22 19:43:22] DrunkenDraconian: ^ during console practice [2015-04-22 19:43:56] DrunkenDraconian: i would go from epoch door allong the wall then up to the bucket [2015-04-22 19:44:14] DrunkenDraconian: it worked like 3 times in a row then i lost it lol [2015-04-22 19:47:11] DrunkenDraconian: but back to original question, I was wondering because you were saying it might help to OC menu at the bucket and close Old man text right when it is done. i thought it would act like transitions and heckran/zombor timing [2015-04-22 19:47:42] DrunkenDraconian: to help even things out to increase the chances [2015-04-22 19:50:26] Redslash: Well, because what we're actually doing to closing his text 2 frames (+4n) after the "." writes out [2015-04-22 19:50:44] Redslash: So having that cue leaves it less to just chance [2015-04-22 19:50:57] Jackafur: so wait waiting for the . wasnt just something I made up? [2015-04-22 19:52:28] Redslash: Lol, it was a good find. 1-framer though, hehe [2015-04-22 19:52:49] DrunkenDraconian: It definitely makes more sense the more you do it. I just hope it's not like the movie Pi [2015-04-22 19:53:16] Jackafur: dude nice im a fucking genius [2015-04-23 10:40:43] Jackafur: SNES: you can try this one too [2015-04-23 10:40:44] Jackafur: http://bombch.us/6l6 [2015-04-23 10:40:52] Jackafur: give you an idea when to close last text box [2015-04-23 10:41:03] Jackafur: although this one is a little later than I usually do but oh well [2015-04-23 10:41:10] Jackafur: normally you can close it right when you see robos eyes [2015-04-23 10:41:18] Jackafur: this one you have to close between robos eyes and him turning [2015-04-23 10:41:21] Jackafur: but it'll give you an idea [2015-04-23 10:42:44] SnesWarrior: I was actually currently debating about practicing that too. I mean, I ALWAYS hit the 8 frame window, but when it turns into the 4 bad 4 good window its like.... a 50/50 shot for me atm [2015-04-23 11:14:24] SnesWarrior: Dang dude, after playing around with that I've probably been getting good zips a lot more often than i've realized. Do you happen to know if the file you sent me is the 8 frame window or the 4 frame? [2015-04-23 11:20:26] SnesWarrior: Also, I dunno if this works in all scenarios yet, but timing it to Crono's turning around is working pretty good [2015-04-23 15:07:45] SnesWarrior: GAAAH, ok. I got it several times on emu, then just switched to VC, took me way longer than it should've... felt like the timing was a bit different on the last textbox compared to emulator. [2015-04-23 15:07:55] SnesWarrior: But I ended up not even getting it is the thing.... [2015-04-23 15:08:32] SnesWarrior: On the very last zip, it gave me the correct direction and everything prior to that went the way it shouldv'e.... but it just sent me to bangor dome [2015-04-23 15:08:41] Jackafur: i have no if its 8 or 4 [2015-04-23 15:08:44] Jackafur: idea* [2015-04-23 15:09:08] Jackafur: yea good zips that go to bandor are the worst [2015-04-23 15:09:27] SnesWarrior: Ahh ok, so that was just another "unlucky" situation [2015-04-23 15:09:28] SnesWarrior: ffs [2015-04-23 15:09:39] Jackafur: dont feel bad. theres been like 100 times I thought I had it figured out and then couldnt get it afterwards [2015-04-23 15:09:44] Jackafur: its just the way it goes w/ this trick [2015-04-23 15:11:12] SnesWarrior: I can get it on emulator w/o savestates though. Just have to get used to timing difference, unless im imagining it. It's hard to tell going from PC to VC w/ LCD and wireless controller [2015-04-23 15:26:00] SnesWarrior: Dang, two Bangor zips in a row. At least thats better than ending up in Bangor because of P2 zipping with you... sort of [2015-04-23 15:50:27 | Edited 15:51:35] SnesWarrior: WOO! GOT IT ON CONSOLE BABY!!! [2015-04-23 15:50:30] SnesWarrior: The curse is lifted [2015-04-23 15:50:38] Jackafur: grats on console LSS [2015-04-23 15:50:48] SnesWarrior: tyty [2015-04-24 17:55:24] ElGranJerry: http://www.twitch.tv/jackafur P A C E [2015-04-24 18:48:10] Jackafur: eh thanks jerry [2015-04-24 18:48:22] Jackafur: i was over due for not getting LSS quick in a run T_T [2015-04-25 6:39:28] Obdajr: hey grats on the 4:50 puwexil! sorry I missed it! [2015-04-25 8:22:18] Puwexil: thanks! [2015-04-25 8:22:33] Puwexil: if I was less bad at atropos skip, probably would have tied ottavino's 'real' time [2015-04-25 9:44:54] Obdajr: good stuff! [2015-04-25 21:53:34] Jackafur: i did eeet [2015-04-25 21:53:41] DrunkenDraconian: sweet run [2015-04-25 21:53:46] Jackafur: i knew dude [2015-04-25 21:53:55] Jackafur: i knew those runs where i was saving 5 minutes [2015-04-25 21:53:58] Jackafur: wasnt going to be it [2015-04-25 21:54:05] DrunkenDraconian: Any% is LSS% [2015-04-25 21:54:05] Jackafur: and I knew when I did the worst run possible I would get it lol [2015-04-25 22:07:04] Redslash: Yo my favorite part, is that you watched the Schala cutscene to get the Slideshow ending [2015-04-25 22:07:53] Jackafur: yea you know i shoulda asked this awhile ago [2015-04-25 22:07:59] Redslash: You beat me by over a minute ha ha [2015-04-25 22:08:02] Jackafur: but how far in 12k bc do you have to go? [2015-04-25 22:08:10] Redslash: Just to talk to plant lady [2015-04-25 22:08:14] Jackafur: wait really? [2015-04-25 22:08:16] Jackafur: god dammit [2015-04-25 22:08:18] Jackafur: im retarded [2015-04-25 22:08:34] Redslash: I get that ending just for "J timing" [2015-04-25 22:08:43] Jackafur: oh rip [2015-04-25 22:08:49] Jackafur: alright ill not do that next time lol [2015-04-25 22:09:29] Redslash: Really well done though man, was so clutch [2015-04-25 22:09:40] Jackafur: ffff i was convinced you needed to that lol [2015-04-25 22:09:42] Jackafur: oh well next time [2015-04-25 22:11:54] Redslash: Yeah sorry, I just picked up on that X) [2015-04-25 22:13:33] Jackafur: eh its alright [2015-04-25 22:13:39] Jackafur: that run was really bad any way [2015-04-25 22:13:47] Jackafur: im still do for a LSS first or second try as well [2015-04-25 22:13:48] Jackafur: so [2015-04-25 22:13:56] Jackafur: pretty sure I can beat it next couple of days [2015-04-25 22:14:17] Redslash: Rock on man [2015-04-25 22:14:32] Jackafur: free minute to save and if im not playing like crap i can save at least another 4 minutes during the first 3/4s of the run [2015-04-25 22:15:13] Jackafur: err due* [2015-04-25 22:22:43] Redslash: Well heck. Time for English theory TAS [2015-04-25 22:23:00] Redslash: Looks like I gotta practice [2015-04-25 22:37:11] Jackafur: yea really [2015-04-25 22:37:17] Jackafur: like you dont need ethers at all cept maybe 1 [2015-04-25 22:37:26] Jackafur: unless you drop uhh [2015-04-25 22:37:29] Jackafur: silver whatever [2015-04-25 22:37:30] Jackafur: stud [2015-04-25 22:37:37] Jackafur: i dunno theres alot you can do [2015-04-25 22:38:51] Redslash: What's nice is Tyrano Lair gives you that Fullether, then just need 1 Midether for Retinite [2015-04-25 22:39:22] Jackafur: speaking of which i need to like have an actual strat for retinite [2015-04-25 22:39:24] Jackafur: i just wing it [2015-04-25 22:39:31] DrunkenDraconian: do you get lapis from chest? [2015-04-25 22:39:38] Jackafur: yea i get that [2015-04-25 22:39:51] Jackafur: cause he does that 1 spell [2015-04-25 22:39:54] Jackafur: i forget what its called [2015-04-25 22:39:58] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2015-04-25 22:44:36] Redslash: I think my Retinite strat is p good. I'll even post it [2015-04-25 22:45:08] Jackafur: sick [2015-04-25 22:45:48] Redslash: Well it's the same as in the J route.. could be more readable [2015-04-25 22:46:06] Jackafur: ill start looking at that j route then [2015-04-25 22:46:12] Jackafur: im gonna practice alot of things tomorrow [2015-04-25 22:46:17] Jackafur: so ill check it out [2015-04-25 22:46:33] Jackafur: ty [2015-04-25 22:46:37] Jackafur: err whoops mt [2015-04-25 23:00:21] Redslash: Sick [2015-04-25 23:00:58] Redslash: I'm excited to see how low English can go now [2015-04-25 23:01:15] Jackafur: yea I guess we'll see which version is actually faster eventually [2015-04-25 23:01:23] Jackafur: jerry suspects J is faster [2015-04-25 23:01:35] Redslash: I remember when we were thinking 2:55, not too long ago X) [2015-04-25 23:01:39] Jackafur: i dont have tons of experience so i dunno [2015-04-25 23:02:26] Redslash: I mean I suspect it too, but I'll science it out [2015-04-25 23:03:04] Redslash: English been making some heavy gains [2015-04-25 23:06:20] Redslash: I really like the way you explain de-equip as English only though [2015-04-25 23:06:51] Jackafur: well i kinda want every one to know all the facts [2015-04-25 23:07:15] Jackafur: it changes alot of things [2015-04-25 23:07:18] Jackafur: cause people always ask [2015-04-25 23:07:20] Jackafur: what's WR [2015-04-25 23:07:33] Jackafur: so I just explain every thing when someone asks that [2015-04-25 23:07:41] Redslash: You still get magic def boost on J. It actually applies to fire too, in place of giving a magic attack boost [2015-04-25 23:07:43] Redslash: But [2015-04-25 23:07:56] Jackafur: d*ng didnt know that [2015-04-25 23:08:19] Redslash: The magic attack boost is by far the most significant thing. So I like your take. It's canon [2015-04-25 23:08:33] Jackafur: works for me [2015-04-25 23:08:51] Jackafur: i guess I just assumed it was present at all [2015-04-25 23:09:56] Redslash: I de-equip 3 pieces of armor total on J lol, so it's hardly present [2015-04-25 23:10:33] Redslash: Crono and Frog's helms, Robo's vest, just to survive Magus (and kinda Slash) [2015-04-25 23:11:59] Redslash: I even just let Ayla keep the Ruby Vest, so the fire resistance on J doesn't even matter [2015-04-25 23:12:01] Jackafur: im putting this in my profile "any%: 2:58:51 (English WR. redslash has 2:45 on J)" [2015-04-25 23:12:03] Jackafur: is that fair? [2015-04-25 23:12:29] Jackafur: i dunno i feel kinda guilty calling it WR lol [2015-04-25 23:15:17] Redslash: Ah man, if you'd like [2015-04-25 23:15:49] Jackafur: meh ill put best english time. guilt to strong. [2015-04-25 23:19:02] Redslash: Hehe, I dunno. I beat the game fast, I'm content with that y'know? X) [2015-04-25 23:19:40] Jackafur: yea I dont wanna give any one the wrong idea [2015-04-25 23:19:50] Redslash: If you'd like to advertise J, I ain't gonna complain. I do want to see more J runs, lmao [2015-04-25 23:24:14] Jackafur: People should know about both runs if they are interested in it so i'll definitly let them know [2015-04-25 23:33:48] Redslash: Yeah, agreed. Should be on the leaderboard somehow at least [2015-04-25 23:35:28] Redslash: I'm gonna make a Notes column, and I'll stick it there, ha ha. Would you like any note on yours? [2015-04-25 23:38:11] Jackafur: mmm for now nah. pretty sure im gonna beat it any way. ill think of something good for next time. [2015-04-25 23:38:50] Redslash: Sweet [2015-04-25 23:52:45] Redslash: LOL can't do it, looks freaking stupid. We're good! [2015-04-25 23:54:14] Redslash: Yo guys Jack just got WR, perfect time to put J times up X) We're good. [2015-04-26 0:03:08] Will: congrats :) [2015-04-26 2:57:30] Ottavino: congrats jack! [2015-04-26 3:00:14] Ottavino: sorry to bother you Red, but have you some explanations for your table of results? for exemple, if I want the first 4 on line 4 5, on which frames do I have to enter my inputs? [2015-04-26 3:04:40] Ottavino: btw, i get different results on dolphin, just tested 1 2, 2 2, 3 2 and 4 2 with holding the second A, none of them works :-( [2015-04-26 6:37:43] Redslash: Hey Otta, sorry about the lack of explanation. The numbers are for double-tapping to close Gaspar's dialogue. So "4 5" means to tap 3 frames after the "." is written, then another tap 5 frames after [2015-04-26 6:49:03] Redslash: Then in the results, you get the first 4 by holding A at the 2300 text. The next 4 is if you close 2300 at frame 2, and so on. If you're on line "4 5", you'll get the 'run' result by holding A for 1999, and you'll get the '4' result by closing 1999 on 2nd/3rd frame [2015-04-26 7:15:47] SnesWarrior: Congratz Jack! Red and I called it, we bet your next attempt would be WR....well you reset like a billion times then I fell asleep, but y'know, technically we were right =P [2015-04-26 7:16:53] SnesWarrior: Time to go back and watch the magic happen [2015-04-26 9:04:25] ElGranJerry: nice Jack, congrats man! Well deserved [2015-04-26 9:06:52] ElGranJerry: 2 CT WRs broken the same week, it's amazing [2015-04-26 10:13:00] Jackafur: thanks guys [2015-04-26 10:33:18] Jackafur: oh btw [2015-04-26 10:33:33] Jackafur: redslash do you have setups for elixer glitch w/ LSS [2015-04-26 10:33:37] Jackafur: i just reload usually [2015-04-26 11:18:17] Redslash: There's the one for mash load =) Frog P2 and stuff [2015-04-26 11:25:06] Redslash: Where if P3 gets hit first, Frog attacks left bit (nearest to him). If Crono gets hit first, you wait for P3 to eat a lightning bolt, before Frog attack left bit [2015-04-27 17:42:37] Redslash: US theory TAS 2:24:45~ I made a few small mistakes I think but it's otherwise solid [2015-04-27 17:47:03] SnesWarrior: whew, that time man. Nice [2015-04-27 17:53:59] ElGranJerry: jack is -9 min going into lss.... [2015-04-27 17:54:08] ElGranJerry: wr incoming? [2015-04-27 18:09:20] ElGranJerry: nice Red <3 That time is insane [2015-04-27 18:37:51] Jackafur: got rekt [2015-04-27 18:38:00] Jackafur: thanks for the excitement any way jerry [2015-04-27 18:38:07] Jackafur: what's the theory tas for J ? [2015-04-27 18:38:56] Redslash: Condolences man [2015-04-27 18:39:05] Jackafur: eh its alright [2015-04-27 18:39:15] Jackafur: i knew what i was in for when i started doing LSS in runs [2015-04-27 18:39:54] Redslash: Right now J is a high 2:25, but I'm gonna redo it [2015-04-27 18:41:01] Jackafur: word im really curious [2015-04-27 18:52:09] DrunkenDraconian: me too [2015-04-27 20:06:51] Redslash: Oh phew, J TAS doesn't talk to Schala, I must've fixed that recently [2015-04-27 20:07:24] Redslash: Man, it'll probably be close [2015-04-27 20:08:04] Redslash: Thing that stands out is I hadn't skipped stud/earring yet [2015-04-27 20:14:09] Redslash: Uh-oh, it was 2:25:20... Ok let's get started [2015-04-27 20:19:41] Jackafur: cant wait for this shit [2015-04-27 21:08:16] Redslash: Dude I talked to Marle before grabbing the pendant but it didn't count [2015-04-27 21:09:09] Redslash: I guess cuz I double-tapped and picked it up before the text closed, lol... kinda mad I wasted frames, but you could save some on English with that [2015-04-27 21:11:46] Redslash: (Talking to her and leaving the text open prevents her from walking around) [2015-04-27 21:36:03] Jackafur: so when you did the english tas you skipped stud? [2015-04-27 21:36:24] Redslash: Yeah [2015-04-27 21:36:39] Jackafur: did you record it at all? [2015-04-27 21:40:21] Redslash: I did. I still might redo it though. I forgot to change battle speed for BT so I just went with it. It's possibly not as good [2015-04-27 21:41:14] Redslash: But yeah I'll post it up anyway [2015-04-27 21:41:16] Jackafur: i'd like to get my hands on that if you wouldnt mind [2015-04-27 21:42:01] Redslash: Sure thing [2015-04-27 21:42:22] Jackafur: thanks man [2015-04-27 22:33:24] Redslash: I don't like BS1 Retinite, it takes an extra attack, 3hp from dying... I'll just BS2 the elixir glitch instead of BS3, lol [2015-04-27 22:34:07] Redslash: I actually like how BT turned out, I kinda bet it'll be hard to replicate though... [2015-04-28 15:30:53] Redslash: Welp, 2:23:03 for J. I did a slow LSS on English so that was more like 2:24:35, and could still go a little lower... [2015-04-28 15:41:20] Redslash: I made a goof at Nizbel II skip so I'll fix that, and check BT, and fix Retinite [2015-04-28 17:24:55] ElGranJerry: lol I just softlocked in the Black Omen [2015-04-28 17:24:58] ElGranJerry: what a sweet game [2015-04-28 17:25:19] ElGranJerry: got stuck in a corner [2015-04-28 17:27:54] Redslash: Oh dang, lol... where at? [2015-04-28 17:28:35 | Edited 17:29:10] ElGranJerry: The area before the terra mutant room [2015-04-28 17:29:30] ElGranJerry: Before going through the door I kept holding right because I got distracted and now I am stuck [2015-04-28 17:30:42] ElGranJerry: lesson learned, don't get distracted [2015-04-28 17:35:14] Redslash: So at the end of the big room with Aliens/Blobs and stuff? [2015-04-28 17:35:47] ElGranJerry: after skipping the bats and doing the 2x tubster fight [2015-04-28 17:37:10] Redslash: Ohh I was thinking Giga. Crazy that you can be stuck there.. [2015-04-28 17:38:38] Redslash: Entering that same room, I found it funny that holding run+left+up glitches out one of the Synchrites [2015-04-28 17:40:04] Redslash: I mean, if there were one unpolished room in the game, I guess that'd be it [2015-04-28 17:40:19] ElGranJerry: ohhh, I need to check that out [2015-04-28 17:40:24] ElGranJerry: yeah, for sure [2015-04-28 17:40:38] ElGranJerry: also Ayla's battle cursor resets after the synchrite fight for some reason [2015-04-28 17:40:57] ElGranJerry: can't just mash A for FH tubster [2015-04-28 17:41:21] ElGranJerry: that really bugs me [2015-04-28 17:44:09] Redslash: Weird, is it because she learns a new tech? or is she actually on Attack? [2015-04-28 17:44:45] ElGranJerry: She doesn't learn anything iirc [2015-04-28 17:44:50] ElGranJerry: I mean, it goes from FH to Kiss [2015-04-28 17:44:56] ElGranJerry: not to attack, my b there [2015-04-28 17:47:02] Redslash: I think it might happen if she gets a new double-tech too, not sure though [2015-04-28 17:47:58] ElGranJerry: she does learn tail spin [2015-04-28 17:48:02] ElGranJerry: maybe that's why [2015-04-28 17:48:14] ElGranJerry: still, it's annoying lol :P [2015-04-28 17:51:17] Redslash: Yeah. We should give her less tech points maybe, heh [2015-04-28 17:51:32] Redslash: Or aww man, that's elevator rng [2015-04-28 17:52:07] ElGranJerry: oooh, maybe [2015-04-28 17:52:14] ElGranJerry: I did get 3 battles [2015-04-28 20:22:56] Kittyrawr: twitch.tv/jackafur - new whirl rekky incoming [2015-04-28 21:11:53] Jackafur: <3 [2015-04-29 10:01:13] Jackafur: So J is looking roughly over a minute faster than E with a way easier LSS huh? [2015-04-29 10:01:22] Jackafur: guess im gonna make the switch eventually [2015-05-01 12:02:57] Redslash: What the heck?? Grats Jack, I didn't realize that run lived, let alone 5 min WR [2015-05-01 12:03:34] Redslash: I'm freakin smart, lol. I was wondering why things were quiet these last couple days [2015-05-01 12:09:04] Redslash: And there we go, grats to Jerry on 100% pb. Great start to the week =) [2015-05-01 12:16:25] ElGranJerry: yo thks red [2015-05-01 12:16:29] ElGranJerry: I got a question bro [2015-05-01 12:16:46] ElGranJerry: The frog p2 elixir glitch didn't work :( [2015-05-01 12:17:16] ElGranJerry: I tried with a 1.5 backup load [2015-05-01 12:17:35] ElGranJerry: because I lost rng in shell lol [2015-05-01 12:18:55] ElGranJerry: I can save 10 minutes alone by not faling the elixir gitches at the end, gonna go for 4:43 as my final 100% goal [2015-05-01 12:27:43] Redslash: Hmm, checking it now [2015-05-01 12:32:09 | Edited 12:32:27] Redslash: Oh, for that one, Frog has to attack as soon as possible =( [2015-05-01 12:32:42] ElGranJerry: oh, rip [2015-05-01 12:32:54] ElGranJerry: i had written down after lightning [2015-05-01 12:32:58] ElGranJerry: I will change it then, thks man [2015-05-01 12:34:52] Redslash: Yeah, it's after lightning for the mash load [2015-05-01 12:35:26] Redslash: Or rather, when P3 gets killed, lightning or not [2015-05-01 12:35:53] ElGranJerry: oooh, so lightning is mash load kk [2015-05-01 12:36:03] ElGranJerry: I was so confused lol [2015-05-01 12:38:07] Redslash: Yeah... huh, I don't think we have a no-reload strat yet for 100% [2015-05-01 12:39:16] ElGranJerry: well puwexil didn't reload in his pb [2015-05-01 12:39:30] ElGranJerry: haven't tried it yet myself though [2015-05-01 12:46:32] Redslash: Oh cool, so that one's after lightning as well [2015-05-01 12:51:09 | Edited 12:54:04] Redslash: That reminds me. As the fight before Atropos skip is ending, hold left only (not run) to walk against the little object on the floor [2015-05-01 12:52:23] Redslash: That's all you need to get odd-pixel, then keep run held and go do skip [2015-05-01 12:55:24] ElGranJerry: oh nice man, will try it out [2015-05-01 13:15:13] Jackafur: lol yea it got kinda bad cause I went 4 minutes into the red [2015-05-01 13:15:23] Jackafur: oh well got plenty of time to do LSS for next time [2015-05-01 13:44:32] Redslash: Wow yeah, that first one, 2:42:15 warp... exact same as my J run! X) [2015-05-01 13:47:19] Jackafur: yea that sucked [2015-05-01 13:47:29] Jackafur: Im still waiting for a 1st or 2nd try one [2015-05-01 13:58:27] Redslash: I believe [2015-05-01 14:02:08] Redslash: So yeah, J is probably 1 min faster, max. SnesWarrior found more stuff around the Masa segment, and I'm gonna remake English theory TAS [2015-05-01 14:04:30] DrunkenDraconian: secret Masamune strat HYPE [2015-05-01 14:05:58] DrunkenDraconian: you probably can't cut and paste tas sections can you? [2015-05-01 14:09:59] Redslash: Heh. Probably can, I dunno. It's not a lot of work anyway, but some parts are indeed a pain [2015-05-01 14:11:29] Redslash: The Future sucks, lol... also save-anywhere's are dumb to optimize. I enjoy the rest [2015-05-01 15:25:27] ElGranJerry: how many frames do I have for the mash load in the elixir glitch red? [2015-05-01 15:25:48] Redslash: 6 [2015-05-01 15:26:03] ElGranJerry: ah, not too bad [2015-05-01 15:26:10] ElGranJerry: I was resetting over not getting the 1st 2 [2015-05-01 15:26:14] ElGranJerry: thx [2015-05-02 12:08:58] ElGranJerry: gonna try some more 100% :D [2015-05-03 13:46:12] Redslash: There we go, 2:23:56 on English. J could prob reach 2:22, but just barely [2015-05-03 13:53:13] Jackafur: what was J again? [2015-05-03 13:53:45] Redslash: 2:23:03 at the moment [2015-05-03 13:53:54] Jackafur: dang [2015-05-03 13:54:10] Jackafur: I guess I gotta switch to J eventually [2015-05-03 14:08:58] Redslash: Ok here it is https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxNXgzN011VDBuV28 [2015-05-03 14:09:06] Jackafur: sick [2015-05-03 14:11:14] Redslash: I'm writing up some of the key points, but the big thing is Masa. SW found a Firepunch strat that works out really well. Uses a mash load at Tata Skip (if it's a fast mash, you have to let Crono atk twice), and no reload after the fight [2015-05-03 14:12:43] Redslash: I meant to learn Firepunch at Heckran Cave but forgot to. Fortunately you can finish Masa phase 1 with either a Firepunch or a Fire+Rocketpunch, so I went ahead and just did that [2015-05-03 14:24:35] Redslash: I do another SW strat in Tyrano Lair, removing Berserker from Ayla (and sheltering!) during Nizbel II skip. Also realized you don't need to reload before Desert on English [2015-05-03 14:27:57] Jackafur: reload before desert? [2015-05-03 14:28:01] Jackafur: like retinite? [2015-05-03 14:29:01] DrunkenDraconian: i remember that, you don't do bird skip and it works out right? [2015-05-03 14:31:09] Redslash: Yeah. The Retinite fight I do uses a bright load before Desert (so running from 3 Hexapods puts you on 0x57) [2015-05-03 14:32:56] DrunkenDraconian: I'll have to watch this a bit later, I hope I can get back in time for Jerry's run too [2015-05-03 14:34:12] ElGranJerry: <3 [2015-05-03 14:47:36] Redslash: Aww yeah, GL Jerry [2015-05-03 14:56:23] ElGranJerry: thx [2015-05-03 14:56:34] ElGranJerry: focusing atm on how to call items and stuff in spanish, it's gonna be weird [2015-05-03 15:45:54] Kittyrawr: gl on that, I would suck at Spanish commentary [2015-05-03 16:26:47] eLmaGus: somebody that knows, 1 less attack on masa mune still okay? [2015-05-03 16:27:24] ElGranJerry: like trade 1 attack for a slash? [2015-05-03 16:27:34] eLmaGus: just minus 1 attack [2015-05-03 16:27:40] eLmaGus: he dies sooner [2015-05-03 16:27:56] eLmaGus: i didnt see why but that happened to puwexil i think [2015-05-03 16:27:57] ElGranJerry: ah, i'd guess you'd be earlier with the rng [2015-05-03 16:27:59] ElGranJerry: but i am not sure [2015-05-03 16:35:01] ElGranJerry: yeah, he got hit for 32 instead of 34 [2015-05-03 16:35:30] ElGranJerry: it's fine though, still 2 cycle nizbel iirc [2015-05-03 16:36:49] eLmaGus: i just remember that masa mune RNG endwindow is pretty large, i couldnt remember if it was if you need less attacks though [2015-05-03 16:36:57] eLmaGus: i wonder how he needed less attacks though, makes me curious [2015-05-03 16:37:57] ElGranJerry: he probably did an extra slash [2015-05-03 16:38:00] ElGranJerry: somewhere [2015-05-03 16:38:18] ElGranJerry: but less attacks for masamune is bad [2015-05-03 16:38:21] ElGranJerry: more idk [2015-05-03 16:38:42] eLmaGus: nah with 3 more i kept it [2015-05-03 16:43:51] Jackafur: hey red. I was watching the TAS theory on and off while I recorded it. Why did you pick up that heal in the beginning? [2015-05-03 16:49:29] eLmaGus: old habits die hard [2015-05-03 16:49:52] eLmaGus: the theory TAS has LSS in it already right? (sorry havent been keeping up) [2015-05-03 16:50:02] eLmaGus: the heal used to be for Shell fight [2015-05-03 16:50:08] Jackafur: yea it has LSS [2015-05-03 16:50:18] Jackafur: yea that's why i was curious why he picked it up. [2015-05-03 16:50:22] Jackafur: probably just habit like you said [2015-05-03 16:50:47] eLmaGus: oh no actually [2015-05-03 16:50:54] eLmaGus: i think it aligns the menu for the Factory Shelter [2015-05-03 16:50:59] eLmaGus: that you can just press L once [2015-05-03 16:51:08] Jackafur: oh shit you know what [2015-05-03 16:51:12] Jackafur: you're probably right [2015-05-03 16:51:22] eLmaGus: i forgot about that quirk [2015-05-03 16:58:24] Redslash: Lol yeah. That's mainly why I got a Midtonic from the guards too [2015-05-03 17:00:15] Redslash: I skipped a bunch of stuff at first, and regretted it at Factory [2015-05-03 17:00:36] Jackafur: also does masa reload change? [2015-05-03 17:02:00] Jackafur: like tata reload i mean [2015-05-03 17:02:23] Jackafur: sorry im probably gonna ask you alot of questions [2015-05-03 17:07:07] Redslash: All good. That one's a mash load. Actually don't hold run until Crono does his first attack - if it's 202 or 404, have Lucca open menu and run [2015-05-03 17:08:02] Redslash: If it's 204 instead, start holding run, but also have Lucca attack after Crono's 2nd attack [2015-05-03 17:08:11] Jackafur: word [2015-05-03 18:13:27] Jackafur: what's the back up reload for retinite? [2015-05-03 18:13:34] Jackafur: reload outside of sunken desert? [2015-05-03 18:13:36] Jackafur: bright load? [2015-05-03 18:15:00] Redslash: Yup [2015-05-03 18:15:04] Jackafur: alright thanks [2015-05-03 18:20:37] Jackafur: wait [2015-05-03 18:20:40] Jackafur: you can just slash the core? [2015-05-03 18:21:18] Redslash: On English yeah. Doesn't heal enough on J [2015-05-03 18:21:31] Jackafur: ah ok good to know thanks [2015-05-03 18:36:26] Jackafur: you ever do that LSS setup outside of TAS? [2015-05-03 18:43:46] Redslash: Nah, kinda made it up right then [2015-05-03 18:44:05] Jackafur: alright thanks [2015-05-03 18:44:17] Jackafur: just wondering if it was worth changing my strat [2015-05-03 20:37:51] eLmaGus: congrats puwexil on 4:47! [2015-05-03 20:38:02] Puwexil: thx! :D [2015-05-03 20:38:20] Puwexil: still amazed I brought that back after heckran>nizbel fell apart [2015-05-03 21:52:29 | Edited 21:53:27] ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°) Will: redslash, which version snes9x did you use? 1.51? [2015-05-03 21:54:40] Redslash: Yeah, 1.51-rr (v7) [2015-05-03 21:57:01] ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°) Will: thanks man [2015-05-03 21:59:29] Redslash: On BT, I dunno why I used Kiss, Midtonic is better. Crono could then mash to Midtonic himself as well, for safety [2015-05-03 22:00:53] Redslash: (Ayla should get chomped, but... not guaranteed) [2015-05-03 22:01:36] Redslash: BS1, btw [2015-05-03 22:21:32] Jackafur: is the save any where zip like luck or am I just bad [2015-05-03 22:25:13] Redslash: It's 75%, at those coordinates (part of it is opening the wooden gate right) [2015-05-03 22:25:47] Redslash: And aim to do the 2nd tap at the heal bucket right when Gaspar's text fully closes [2015-05-03 22:25:57] Jackafur: gotcha thanks [2015-05-03 22:30:11] Redslash: Oh yeah, a big route thing is we skip the tabs in Medina, pick up only the speedtab on the mountain, and use it after Masa [2015-05-03 22:30:35] Jackafur: yea I watched most of the theory TAS [2015-05-03 22:30:38] Jackafur: got a bunch of notes and shit [2015-05-03 22:30:47] Jackafur: only thing is [2015-05-03 22:30:48] ElGranJerry: Congrats Puwexil <3 Amazing [2015-05-03 22:30:52 | Edited 22:32:17] Redslash: -1 magic means Crono can't kill Nizbel w/ Slash, but you can just let Ayla attack an extra time (in place of the last Slash) [2015-05-03 22:31:01] Jackafur: I got 193 on the right side after taata load [2015-05-03 22:31:09] Jackafur: the fight went fine Im pretty sure [2015-05-03 22:31:16] Jackafur: but RNG ended up getting messed up any way and im not sure why [2015-05-03 22:31:22] Jackafur: i never see 202 or 204 on the right guy [2015-05-03 22:33:18] Redslash: Dang, let's see... [2015-05-03 22:35:22] Jackafur: also I had to reload for magus castle obviously [2015-05-03 22:35:27] Jackafur: every thing went right for the most part [2015-05-03 22:35:39] Jackafur: then I fought Slash and he attacked all 3 characters twice with slash [2015-05-03 22:35:49] Jackafur: but the fight ended normal otherwise [2015-05-03 22:36:03] Jackafur: and then the fight w/ the jugglers frog didnt crit [2015-05-03 22:36:08] Jackafur: so i dunno if i did something weird or what [2015-05-03 22:36:12] Redslash: 202/204 must be with powertab, whoops [2015-05-03 22:36:17] Jackafur: did the slash fight change at all cause i didnt check it at all [2015-05-03 22:37:01] Redslash: No change. Sometimes he does hit 2 or 3 of your guys with Slash instead of just Robo [2015-05-03 22:37:11] Jackafur: ah ok [2015-05-03 22:37:23] Jackafur: well for some reason I lost the crit for frog on jugglers [2015-05-03 22:37:37] Jackafur: so 193 is good though right? w/ out power tab? [2015-05-03 22:38:29] Redslash: For Frog crit on Jugglers, you have to run from the 2nd fight somewhat quickly (using menu) [2015-05-03 22:38:48] Jackafur: ah ok [2015-05-03 22:38:52] Jackafur: i was probably just slow [2015-05-03 22:38:57] Jackafur: i just wasnt sure why it got messed up [2015-05-03 22:41:23] Redslash: Hah, can't check on 193 quickly. Happen to know what it was in TAS? [2015-05-03 22:41:36] Jackafur: it was 193 in TAS [2015-05-03 22:41:47] Jackafur: lemme double check [2015-05-03 22:42:22] Jackafur: yea crono 193 on the right guy [2015-05-03 22:42:41] Redslash: Ok, good deal then. Sorry for misinfo [2015-05-03 22:42:49] Jackafur: all good [2015-05-03 22:58:10] Redslash: Oh lol, also don't X-Strike on Magus... most likely lose Ayla crits [2015-05-03 22:58:33] Jackafur: stick to old boss notes for magus? [2015-05-03 22:58:45] Jackafur: i didnt even watch the magus fight [2015-05-03 22:59:21] Redslash: Yeah, no change [2015-05-03 23:03:38] Redslash: I had a weird glitch on 12000BC 2nd snow continent, wish I had kept the state [2015-05-03 23:04:43] Redslash: When I came out of the Skyway there was no music, and trying to menu or enter buildings gave a permenant black screen [2015-05-04 16:03:42] 0xA101: I feel like I've missed so much development on everything, even while somewhat keeping up with this group lol [2015-05-04 16:04:18] 0xA101: life's been way too hectic for me to keep practicing :c but I'm still gonna try my best to keep going [2015-05-04 16:04:52] 0xA101: is there anything super important I need to know regarding any% that's changed in the past like...2 weeks? [2015-05-04 16:05:06] 0xA101: or has the route been updated accordingly? [2015-05-04 16:07:53] ElGranJerry: there's been some ideas been thrown around/consolidated over the last few days for lss route [2015-05-04 16:08:08] ElGranJerry: don't think it's in the route [2015-05-04 16:08:33] 0xA101: alrighty, I'll keep going with what I've learned and worry about lss stuff later [2015-05-04 16:11:31] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, red posted his lss theory tas a few posts ago [2015-05-04 16:11:54] 0xA101: ohh! I should probably look at that [2015-05-04 17:14:45] Jackafur: red [2015-05-04 17:15:03] Jackafur: how do you even do tata load reliably w/ robo on masa? [2015-05-04 17:15:26] Jackafur: cause when I mash load I get all sorts of different shit. no menu, no beeps, half a beep, etc [2015-05-04 17:15:31] Jackafur: like fuck [2015-05-04 17:27:03] Jackafur: nvm lilly figured out an easy timing for it on a metronome [2015-05-04 17:27:04] Jackafur: fuck me [2015-05-04 17:27:12] Jackafur: you know how long ive been dicking around with this [2015-05-04 17:49:17] Redslash: Dang. You don't mean a backup load before Masa, right? Just Tata load? [2015-05-04 17:49:33] Jackafur: nah just tata [2015-05-04 17:49:36] Jackafur: but its like guranteed [2015-05-04 17:49:39] Jackafur: so you dont really need it [2015-05-04 17:49:46] Jackafur: err well i guess if you run into a fight you would [2015-05-04 17:50:05] Jackafur: umm well maybe ill work on that after I learn this route [2015-05-04 17:50:31] Jackafur: any way if you do 188 on the metronome and press A right on the beat and just keep pressing A on the beat you get the right load [2015-05-04 18:03:29] Redslash: Awesome, that works really well [2015-05-04 18:05:20] Redslash: Seems like it should be a little late (115 frames), but that's not the case. Interesting... [2015-05-04 18:05:53] Jackafur: beats me. glad we figured it out cause I was really hating that load [2015-05-04 18:06:19] Redslash: Oh, I guess I shouldn't use 60.00fps to calculate [2015-05-04 18:06:25] Jackafur: probably another day of practice and ill be doing the thoery tas route in runs [2015-05-04 18:07:02] Jackafur: all I really have to do is double check my BT and retinite notes [2015-05-04 21:03:24] Redslash: Lol what, I loaded on 0x05 on English. Only have 1 save, and it's right after naming Lucca [2015-05-04 21:08:27] Jackafur: fucking twitch man. My highlight of my PB says its 3 hours but its actually 6 hours that has 2 runs in it [2015-05-04 21:09:32] DrunkenDraconian: like video editing on a 486 Dx4 100 [2015-05-04 21:10:30] Redslash: Yeah, I think that happened to new highlights for a couple days [2015-05-05 16:03:22] Ottavino: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=407215#407215 [2015-05-05 16:05:46] DrunkenDraconian: supercool [2015-05-05 16:07:13] Puwexil: lol, that's from pushing X during the guardian demo? [2015-05-05 16:10:08] Ottavino: yes [2015-05-05 16:49:12] Redslash: Oh my, they do spawn. That "can't run away" on Flea too, haha [2015-05-05 17:58:46] ElGranJerry: so good [2015-05-06 8:27:36] SnesWarrior: That's pretty awesome lol [2015-05-06 11:18:42] DrunkenDraconian: imagine finding a way to make a save with the intro stats [2015-05-06 11:24:42] Redslash: Yeah I still wanna look at the inputs. Wonder what else you can do besides crashing [2015-05-06 11:26:00] DrunkenDraconian: if you could though... 800 hp is enough for the run right? [2015-05-06 11:28:46] Redslash: Ha ha... what are their names? " ", " ", and " "? [2015-05-06 14:51:48] Jackafur: so I finally found some coords you can hold A on [2015-05-06 14:51:57] Jackafur: I just randomly thought I should do that like 10 mins ago [2015-05-06 14:52:29] Jackafur: https://imgur.com/zXBXarS [2015-05-06 15:23:20 | Edited 15:23:33] DrunkenDraconian: is lucca broken away or did you tuck the heal bucket before moving right? [2015-05-06 15:24:17] Jackafur: from the top left corner I went down and right below the bucket. went left very briefly and then up and right [2015-05-06 15:24:29] Jackafur: err right and up [2015-05-06 15:24:35] Jackafur: said that last part backwards [2015-05-06 15:24:49] DrunkenDraconian: oh right yeah [2015-05-06 15:25:25] Jackafur: getting them like that is a fluke though basically [2015-05-06 15:26:05] DrunkenDraconian: mebe [2015-05-06 15:26:25] DrunkenDraconian: DD for Robo coord ;) [2015-05-06 15:31:15] Jackafur: but yea any time robo is half way in the lamp post its basically a hold A [2015-05-06 15:32:05] Jackafur: even if he is in and slightly left its not gonna be a hold A [2015-05-06 15:32:08] Jackafur: at least i think [2015-05-06 15:40:15] DrunkenDraconian: seems like a good thing to shoot for, just got a good zip, not sure if it is exactly right bc console [2015-05-06 15:52:09] DrunkenDraconian: i have those coords now but robo is facing right instead of left. Maybe that matters, does he take a frame to turn before moving? maybe i'll try robo more left [2015-05-06 15:52:24] Jackafur: I have no idea [2015-05-06 15:52:28] Jackafur: I didnt really experiment with it [2015-05-06 15:52:39] Jackafur: I just got the coords and kept practicing LSS [2015-05-06 15:59:35] DrunkenDraconian: MY heart can't take another rollercoaster, but this feels like %25-%50 when holding A, let me try to repeat it [2015-05-06 16:00:17] Jackafur: well record it if its looking good [2015-05-06 16:02:20] Jackafur: but yea ive been having pretty good results with doing upper left corner. going diag down right past the bucket sort of. running back a little and then right up to the bucket [2015-05-06 16:02:35] Jackafur: coords between C and D seem to be the best [2015-05-06 16:02:48] Jackafur: for robo i mean [2015-05-06 16:03:47] Jackafur: yea 1Cx and 1Dx are the best it seems [2015-05-06 16:04:49] Jackafur: i dunno its all fucking weird. cause I got 1C4 and I swear it didnt work and I got it again and it worked so fuck if I know. [2015-05-06 16:05:35] Jackafur: but maybe it had to do with him being turned right or left [2015-05-06 16:05:38] Jackafur: who knows [2015-05-06 16:07:23] DrunkenDraconian: i do think robo's direction has an effect. [2015-05-06 16:07:59] DrunkenDraconian: i don't think the coord are strict as to if it will work or not [2015-05-06 16:08:15] DrunkenDraconian: they are just a factor for how long it takes robo to meet up [2015-05-06 16:09:13] DrunkenDraconian: def %50ish with the proper timed double tap [2015-05-06 16:09:27] DrunkenDraconian: 1DB, 131 robo facing right [2015-05-06 16:09:45 | Edited 16:09:57] DrunkenDraconian: and i can set it up again, it's just kind of slow [2015-05-06 16:10:06] Jackafur: what do you mean its 50% ? [2015-05-06 16:10:16] Jackafur: like that coord working or...? [2015-05-06 16:10:34] DrunkenDraconian: the chance of a good zip when doubletap the bucket and hold A [2015-05-06 16:12:23] DrunkenDraconian: "with the right double tap" is key, a quick one [2015-05-06 16:12:40] DrunkenDraconian: you can actually see the textboxes "chug" a bit [2015-05-06 16:13:04] DrunkenDraconian: when it is right [2015-05-06 16:13:27] Jackafur: ive never really focused on the double tap [2015-05-06 16:15:12] Jackafur: i mean the first time I did LSS i literally was just mashing A lol [2015-05-06 16:46:50] DrunkenDraconian: it's possible to get robo in the same spot each time, it's just not fast, 1DB-1DE,131 do work with doubletap hold. [2015-05-06 17:17:14] Jackafur: its reliable? [2015-05-06 17:17:17] Jackafur: what's the setup? [2015-05-06 17:18:18] DrunkenDraconian: nothing is reliable XD [2015-05-06 17:18:44] DrunkenDraconian: 131 is crono's foot 2 pixels below Ayla's shadow [2015-05-06 17:19:18] DrunkenDraconian: using red's horizontal only slide [2015-05-06 17:19:49] DrunkenDraconian: you run at the bucket have it push you down, then wiggle up and down untill robo hits the coord [2015-05-06 17:20:23] Kittyrawr: is there a video? [2015-05-06 17:22:38] DrunkenDraconian: I can make one, I'll do a stream at some point soon and highlight it [2015-05-06 17:38:47] DrunkenDraconian: I've grown not to trust LSS, but this seems good [2015-05-06 17:39:11] DrunkenDraconian: I'll try to get a vid up soon [2015-05-06 17:39:29] Jackafur: i just dont like the horizontal only break away [2015-05-06 17:39:42] Jackafur: i always have issues with it [2015-05-06 17:39:59 | Edited 17:40:30] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, i have a few tricks that might help [2015-05-06 17:40:17] DrunkenDraconian: but it's the only way to get that coord every time [2015-05-06 17:41:03] Jackafur: so I got 1 with robo facing up [2015-05-06 17:41:05] Jackafur: and it worked [2015-05-06 17:41:10] Jackafur: was on d8 [2015-05-06 17:43:02] DrunkenDraconian: I'm sure the range is bigger, i can just confirm the ones i gave [2015-05-06 17:44:39] Jackafur: so what are your tricks for horizontal [2015-05-06 17:47:04] DrunkenDraconian: 1. wait for party to stop moving when you line up under lavos bucket after first talking to old man. this means that there are no stacks of slide in the movement buffer. if you don't do this you might have him breakaway when going right instead of left. [2015-05-06 17:47:21] DrunkenDraconian: 2. don't touch the wall at any time [2015-05-06 17:47:35] DrunkenDraconian: except for the last left movement [2015-05-06 17:48:53] DrunkenDraconian: it's only really important that robo breaks away when you are going left [2015-05-06 17:49:57] DrunkenDraconian: once you hit that left wall run a bit right right away. this will hopefully space robo far enough away [2015-05-06 17:50:31] Jackafur: how fast are you double tapping too? [2015-05-06 17:50:37] Jackafur: like before the 1st box closes all they way [2015-05-06 17:50:44] Jackafur: or like right when it closes you get your 2nd tap [2015-05-06 17:50:45] Jackafur: or [2015-05-06 17:51:43] DrunkenDraconian: pretty fast, just enough time to lift my thumb up and come back down [2015-05-06 17:52:15] DrunkenDraconian: like pull back 2 inches or so [2015-05-06 17:52:28] DrunkenDraconian: maybe a metronome timing could help here [2015-05-06 17:52:39] Jackafur: yea I was thinking something like that too [2015-05-06 17:52:47] Jackafur: might be kind of high though [2015-05-06 17:52:49] Jackafur: like almost 300 [2015-05-06 17:54:54] DrunkenDraconian: because if this pans out, the only variance we can control would be the 2xtap [2015-05-06 17:55:23] DrunkenDraconian: even a setup for 25% seems promising [2015-05-06 17:57:42] DrunkenDraconian: hardest part now is the last mash [2015-05-06 17:58:50] Kittyrawr: setting this up in a run is unrealistic though. how would you get the exact coordinates ;-; [2015-05-06 17:59:21] DrunkenDraconian: visual cues [2015-05-06 18:05:51] DrunkenDraconian: twitch.tv/drunkendraconian [2015-05-06 18:06:34] Jackafur: that's a pretty tight visual but yea [2015-05-06 18:06:37] Jackafur: lamp post [2015-05-06 18:06:40] Jackafur: pretty much [2015-05-06 18:06:42] Jackafur: inside of it [2015-05-06 18:17:58] DrunkenDraconian: the double tap hold will save us I believe [2015-05-06 18:18:41] Jackafur: i was trying to mimic your double tap the bset i could [2015-05-06 18:18:49] Jackafur: I got 230 a few times. 250 and 280ish [2015-05-06 18:18:53] Jackafur: so some where in there lol [2015-05-06 18:19:06] DrunkenDraconian: that and Redslash [2015-05-06 18:22:09 | Edited 18:22:27] DrunkenDraconian: for the record I'm glad you took that screencap. I've been looking for a coordinate like that for a while. I was working on a y that was much lower and it would have taken me forever to reach the one you gave me [2015-05-06 18:22:43] Jackafur: yea it was total luck [2015-05-06 18:23:00] Jackafur: I was like "i should find that hold A coord" and then a few tries later I got it. [2015-05-06 18:23:19 | Edited 18:23:25] DrunkenDraconian: the force is strong in your family [2015-05-06 18:26:35] Jackafur: i didnt even realize the double tap even played a role [2015-05-06 18:26:41] Jackafur: so not only is it getting the right coords [2015-05-06 18:26:43] Jackafur: its chance to [2015-05-06 18:26:46] Jackafur: which is awesome [2015-05-06 18:27:22] Jackafur: no wonder you guys thought it was impossible [2015-05-06 18:27:27] Jackafur: luckily i was too stupid to know that [2015-05-06 18:28:09 | Edited 18:28:18] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I'm just too stubborn to give up [2015-05-06 18:29:02] DrunkenDraconian: someone who knows more about the timing may be able to sneak some more percentage points off of it [2015-05-06 18:29:12] DrunkenDraconian: / on to it [2015-05-06 18:29:23] Jackafur: we need fucking sock folder man [2015-05-06 18:29:29] Jackafur: can we just comission his ass [2015-05-06 18:32:42] DrunkenDraconian: I'm basing this on the hope that holding a down is consistant. and that the 2xtap is kind of like release B timing [2015-05-07 16:18:52] ElGranJerry: Note to self, debuggest have 1024 hp lmao [2015-05-07 16:19:02] ElGranJerry: what a sad way to lose a run after 3 hours [2015-05-07 16:39:12] eLmaGus: what happened [2015-05-07 16:39:32] eLmaGus: did you not kill debuggest and die to them? [2015-05-07 16:39:53] ElGranJerry: I walked into the one walking in circles [2015-05-07 16:40:09] ElGranJerry: I thought they had 600 hp for some reason so I didn't revive lucca and magus when they died [2015-05-07 16:40:17] ElGranJerry: then they rekt me [2015-05-07 16:53:26] eLmaGus: damn : / [2015-05-07 16:57:12] ElGranJerry: it's fine, I can still save 3-4 min before that. Next time I will be -10 there instead of -7 [2015-05-07 21:03:56] eLmaGus: you guys wanna keep speedrun.com up-to-date? [2015-05-07 21:04:46] eLmaGus: if nobody checks back to the site, i am on there frequently because of Lufia anyways, i could maintain CT aswell [2015-05-07 21:32:59] Redslash: Yessir, take my spot. I'm not very invested there, lol [2015-05-07 21:33:07] Redslash: I think Jerry has the powah [2015-05-07 22:49:44] Redslash: Making a real TAS might be p cool, guess I have another 6 minutes to shave off [2015-05-07 22:55:25] Redslash: Dang, maybe a No S+Q [2015-05-08 0:41:59] Redslash: You any% guys, try J. EZ day. 幸せ [2015-05-08 1:19:17 | Edited 1:26:24] Redslash: (幸 = 士 helping 屰... where 士 is 大 rooted, and 屰 is 大 fallen) [2015-05-08 1:38:26] Redslash: Sometimes 士 is short for 出 (out), like in 寺 (rest = outward thumb). 時 hour, 待 wait, 持 hold... ok X) [2015-05-08 5:51:36] SnesWarrior: lmao I cant wait to bug the crap out of you when I actually try and learn Japanese in the future [2015-05-08 7:44:34] ElGranJerry: There Magus [2015-05-08 7:44:41] ElGranJerry: made you a mod there [2015-05-08 7:45:08] ElGranJerry: I totally forgot about speedrun.com :/ [2015-05-08 13:29:14] eLmaGus: alright mostly up to date now [2015-05-08 14:02:32] Redslash: Lookin good [2015-05-08 14:05:16] Redslash: I see you went with the End timing for J, nice [2015-05-08 14:07:25] Redslash: You know, if J is played that way, then the 1 min lead is lost exactly to Schala scene, ha ha [2015-05-08 15:46:09] eLmaGus: yeah i thought going with J timing in case we will ever see japan play CT [2015-05-08 16:04:11] Redslash: Oh, I never even considered that... that'd be sick [2015-05-08 16:04:18] eLmaGus: one can dream [2015-05-08 19:21:16] Jackafur: oh thanks for putting my run on speedrun,com [2015-05-08 19:21:34] Jackafur: red do you mind if I bothered you later about some theory tas shit? [2015-05-08 19:22:01] Jackafur: ive been racking my head with this shit for the past couple of days. theres 2 things. the masa fight keeps messing up for me and some times BT eats crono instead of ayla. [2015-05-08 19:22:15] Jackafur: ill probably record my fights with them tomorrow so you can see wtf im doing wrong. [2015-05-08 19:26:13] Redslash: Sure thing man, I don't mind [2015-05-08 19:28:51] Redslash: I did notice that about BT.. if Ayla uses midtonic, Crono can mash and use one on himself, might be the best option... but actually I'll see if there's a way to tell who'll get chomped [2015-05-08 19:34:02] Jackafur: so here are the scenarios that played out for me [2015-05-08 19:34:04] Jackafur: for the ayla thing [2015-05-08 19:34:10] Jackafur: kiss ayla [2015-05-08 19:34:14] Jackafur: he chomps crono [2015-05-08 19:34:20] Jackafur: kiss crono he chomps ayla lol [2015-05-08 19:34:40] Jackafur: then I did kiss, revive crono, revice lucca and he chomped ayla finally. [2015-05-08 19:34:55] Jackafur: but that's like a waste of a turn [2015-05-08 19:37:03] Jackafur: but yea this is what usually happens w/ masa for me [2015-05-08 19:37:04] Jackafur: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ew6q6glpbhwpsau/masa.smv?dl=0 [2015-05-08 19:46:04] Redslash: Ah, can't get files atm. I'm gonna guess maybe he attacks Lucca too fast? [2015-05-08 19:46:21] Jackafur: umm give me a sec [2015-05-08 19:46:24] Jackafur: i can tell you what happened [2015-05-08 19:46:31] Jackafur: lemme look at my notes here [2015-05-08 19:46:51] Jackafur: so what happened was i got a fire punch in then crono attacked and then he attacked lucca [2015-05-08 19:46:54] Jackafur: then crono attacked again [2015-05-08 19:47:09] Jackafur: but every thing plays out fine before that [2015-05-08 19:48:53] Redslash: I should refresh myself a bit on this fight. He was over on the left though? [2015-05-08 19:49:44] Jackafur: winds crono > crono attack > fire punch > crono attack > fire punch > crono attack > Massa attacks lucca > crono attack is exactly how it plays out [2015-05-08 19:49:47] Jackafur: yea he's on the left [2015-05-08 19:50:10] Jackafur: then I do a fire punch and then he kills crono [2015-05-08 19:52:37] Jackafur: lemme double check my notes too maybe it something stupid im doing [2015-05-08 19:55:09] Redslash: If I recall, that last punch there (before Crono crits I think?) may need to be delayed, especially with Crono's speed lower [2015-05-08 19:57:40] Jackafur: yea i think i messed up my notes [2015-05-08 19:58:56] Jackafur: I think I didnt notice that crono attacks twice before one of the fire punches [2015-05-08 19:59:04] Jackafur: well im dumb [2015-05-08 20:02:24] Jackafur: yea dude. 1 bad line of notes. thanks for helping., this shit was driving me nuts [2015-05-08 20:06:52] Redslash: Right on, no worries man [2015-05-08 20:09:09] eLmaGus: should i upload the Theory TASes on Speedrun.com so people can watch it ? [2015-05-08 20:09:16] eLmaGus: or are they work in progress ? :> [2015-05-08 20:13:02] Redslash: Oh dang, well I guess English is pretty solid. There is one thing I forgot... I want to swap Ether and Shelter while scrolling down to use tabs [2015-05-08 20:14:52] Redslash: Someday I'll do a stream and talk through it, lol [2015-05-08 20:18:01] Redslash: But yeah, go for it! I need to redo J again, screwed up the very start of it [2015-05-08 20:19:11] eLmaGus: then uhm [2015-05-08 20:19:24] eLmaGus: i need you to send me the things 8) [2015-05-08 20:19:32] eLmaGus: i just realized i never got them [2015-05-08 20:20:03] Jackafur: i recorded it. its kinda jumpy some times though in the video for some reason thouigh [2015-05-08 20:22:49] Redslash: Here ya go (I only posted this one) https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxNXgzN011VDBuV28 [2015-05-08 20:23:27] eLmaGus: 1.51rr i assume? [2015-05-08 20:24:08] Redslash: Yessir [2015-05-08 20:26:14] eLmaGus: neat its up [2015-05-08 20:26:31] eLmaGus: let me know if you change things or update it [2015-05-08 20:26:41] eLmaGus: its under "Resources" [2015-05-08 20:45:37] Redslash: Cool! Ahh, I should get back to the hitbox/controls viewer and polish it up [2015-05-08 21:01:44] DrunkenDraconian: I've been meaning to ask how holding A works? [2015-05-08 21:01:57 | Edited 21:02:19] DrunkenDraconian: like, what inputs does the game see? [2015-05-08 21:06:17] DrunkenDraconian: Because I've been playing with a coord for robo that gets a good LSS skip some of the time. I do not understand the timing well, except by gut feeling, but the way the textboxes played out it seemed that it hinged on the ammount of time i did not press a [2015-05-08 21:10:33 | Edited 21:10:57] DrunkenDraconian: I guess i should say i'm pressing A off Ahold [2015-05-08 21:14:07] Redslash: Hmmm... I dunno, maybe it adds some lag, like not to the game but to the event processing thingy [2015-05-08 21:15:01 | Edited 21:15:21] DrunkenDraconian: that input works for a range of positions too, I was thinking if it was timing based it would take a chart and a metronome to set up [2015-05-08 21:15:43] DrunkenDraconian: robo is on this pixel by visual cue, set metronome to X [2015-05-08 21:16:19] DrunkenDraconian: it works when you see the text boxes "chug" [2015-05-08 21:16:38] DrunkenDraconian: hard to say exatly what i see [2015-05-08 21:16:54] Jackafur: hold A is overrated [2015-05-08 21:17:12] Jackafur: there are a bunch of coords that work 10-40% of the time that arent Hold A [2015-05-08 21:18:33] DrunkenDraconian: but i'm talking about setting up a 50% first try LSS [2015-05-08 21:19:29] Jackafur: are you talking about 1D8? [2015-05-08 21:19:30] Redslash: Ohh wait, I think I know what you mean... [2015-05-08 21:19:37] DrunkenDraconian: 1dB [2015-05-08 21:19:57] Jackafur: 1DB is pretty hard to get on [2015-05-08 21:20:59] DrunkenDraconian: i think it works for the range of 1dXish [2015-05-08 21:21:23] Jackafur: are you sure its 50% cause i remember testing those ranges and they didnt seem to be 50% [2015-05-08 21:23:40] DrunkenDraconian: i guess i need to learn how to tas :P [2015-05-08 21:28:23] DrunkenDraconian: i'm trying to reduce the input at the bucket to the ammount of time A is not pressed, i guess i need to get comfortable with frame progression tools [2015-05-08 21:36:43 | Edited 21:37:27] Redslash: 50% sounds right. There's still that mystery factor where sometimes 6 in 8 coordinates work, and sometimes only 2 in 8 coordinates work, so average of that... [2015-05-08 21:37:30] Jackafur: what's your other coord when you're doing 1DB? [2015-05-08 21:37:36] DrunkenDraconian: 131 [2015-05-08 21:37:44] Jackafur: the whole time? [2015-05-08 21:39:33] Jackafur: because if I take robo and move him to 1DB he changes from 131 [2015-05-08 21:40:13] DrunkenDraconian: he slid too far i think [2015-05-08 21:41:22] Jackafur: you mean the breakaway? [2015-05-08 21:41:28] DrunkenDraconian: yeah sorry [2015-05-08 21:42:53] DrunkenDraconian: you want a range where he can get there but before he start to mimic your vertical movements [2015-05-08 21:43:32] DrunkenDraconian: you get pushed down by the bucket [2015-05-08 21:57:36] DrunkenDraconian: i know for sure 1db-1de work but the timings might be slightly different for each. that is where a chart would come in along with a metronome to help the timing [2015-05-08 22:00:45] DrunkenDraconian: a project for when i get a bit more free time [2015-05-08 22:23:25] Jackafur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpXe3CYTH_8&feature=youtu.be [2015-05-08 22:23:38] Jackafur: i dunno maybe im doing something wrong but 1DB, 131 doesnt work for me [2015-05-08 22:23:40] Jackafur: at any rate [2015-05-08 22:23:55] Jackafur: 1B4, 137 is way easier to setup and I get it like 4/10 times [2015-05-08 22:24:01] Jackafur: 1B2-B6 worked best for me [2015-05-08 22:24:09] Jackafur: even 1B7 worked decently [2015-05-08 22:24:26] Jackafur: 1:00 an onward if you wanna see my setup [2015-05-08 22:24:31] Jackafur: i think its way better imp [2015-05-08 22:24:33] Jackafur: imo [2015-05-08 22:33:09] DrunkenDraconian: it may end up being better to go for the visual cue for the last textbox, [2015-05-08 22:36:29] Jackafur: also i can do this with the same results on console [2015-05-08 22:38:43 | Edited 22:39:04] Redslash: Just wanna point out.. because of mystery factor, 1DB,131 could be impossible with that savestate [2015-05-08 22:39:21] Jackafur: word. but i swear it i never have good results with it [2015-05-08 22:39:51] Jackafur: and getting on 131 seems kind of hard to do on console [2015-05-08 22:39:54] Jackafur: so i dunno [2015-05-08 22:40:26] DrunkenDraconian: i've been using crono's hair and the bars recently [2015-05-08 22:41:14] DrunkenDraconian: the whole area can probably work in some way or another [2015-05-08 22:44:29] Redslash: If 1DB,131 is consistently bad for you Jack, might mean you guys are controlling the mystery factor differently between yourselves... might be cool [2015-05-08 22:44:41] Jackafur: fuck if i know [2015-05-08 22:44:52] Jackafur: i dunno it just seemed strange cause DrunkenDraconian was so convinced it was good [2015-05-08 22:44:57] Jackafur: and i was having really bad results with it lol [2015-05-08 22:46:50] Jackafur: like i just loaded up fresh my save and its the same results [2015-05-08 22:46:58] Jackafur: trick is retarded [2015-05-08 22:47:21] Redslash: Yup [2015-05-08 22:49:29] Redslash: I think this is what bothers me most currently, because I didn't run into this on J [2015-05-08 22:49:37] Jackafur: i dunno i get good results with the way I set it up. setup just takes forever [2015-05-08 22:50:06] Jackafur: and some times robo doesnt break away for me on horizontal break aways [2015-05-08 22:50:07] Jackafur: so [2015-05-08 22:50:17] Jackafur: its still a run destroyer [2015-05-08 22:52:10] Redslash: I mean, I probably haven't explained it well enough, but here's an example... [2015-05-08 22:52:10] Jackafur: but i guess if robo doesnt break away you just do it the chaos way [2015-05-08 22:52:20] Jackafur: i just got 2 in a row on console cause i did the chaos setup as back up [2015-05-08 22:55:13] Redslash: Sometimes when you break away, only 1CB & 1CC will work, out of a range of 8. Next time you break away, only 1CD & 1CE will work. A third time, 1CA-1CF all work [2015-05-08 22:55:58] Redslash: That kind of nonsense. But maybe we're closing in on controlling that [2015-05-08 22:56:35] Jackafur: when you say a 2nd and 3rd time do you mean upon reload? [2015-05-08 22:57:10] Redslash: Like, a savestate before performing breakaway [2015-05-08 23:00:16 | Edited 23:01:03] Redslash: It shakes out to be 50%, but yeah... pixel-perfect positions aren't too meaningful, unless we discover what the heck [2015-05-08 23:00:42] Jackafur: word [2015-05-08 23:00:49] Jackafur: so in short. dumb trick. [2015-05-08 23:01:00] Jackafur: you just gotta be the idiot when you do it that's all [2015-05-08 23:01:04] Jackafur: just like garrison told me [2015-05-08 23:01:07] Jackafur: "just be the idiot" [2015-05-08 23:01:26] Redslash: That for Kraid? Lol [2015-05-08 23:01:26] DrunkenDraconian: I guess I'll get back to working on single segment double elixir glitch, because easier [2015-05-08 23:01:45] Jackafur: nah he was commenting on my missile count. but yea it was in super metroid. [2015-05-08 23:01:56] Jackafur: I had a total disregard for my missile count [2015-05-08 23:03:00] Redslash: Ahhh... man =) [2015-05-08 23:03:21] Jackafur: single segment. fug that sheet. [2015-05-08 23:03:46] Jackafur: how does that even work? [2015-05-08 23:04:40] Jackafur: do you have the balls to do LSS in single segment though [2015-05-08 23:04:41] Redslash: "Why would you want to increase your chance of dying in Super Metroid?" "Uhh to learn a valuable lesson" [2015-05-08 23:08:29] Redslash: Yeah, just go through gates a bunch. No sweat [2015-05-09 5:35:18] Jackafur: So I may be crazy but... Since I go for B coords I try to break robo as far left to the left as possible. Now I figured out how to get him way the fuck out there. Like Sub 1A0 and suddenly my B coords wouldnt work at all. So that might explain why 1DB doesnt work for me cause I tend to break robo to the left more. [2015-05-09 5:35:50] Jackafur: So like More left than you guys B coords work good. So far left that robo lands on fucking 19X/whatever means even my B coords dont work. [2015-05-09 5:35:56] Jackafur: but I dunno [2015-05-09 5:47:05] Jackafur: So I guess my theory (this may be dumb) depending on how far back to the left robo breaks away maybe you can sort of pinpoint where he needs to be. IF he breaks away and you setup at the bucket and he Lands on 1Ax then maybe you need to set him on 1Bx. Or if you setup at the bucket and he's at 1Bx you need to do 1Cx or 1Dx or some shit. [2015-05-09 5:55:28] Jackafur: yoooo! I think im fucking right. Holy shit. So I landed on fucking. 19F after running to the bucket with my setup. So based on my theory I wanna move him to 1Ax right? I moved him to 1A8 and got 5/10 zips. https://i.imgur.com/r3Xyzdn.png [2015-05-09 6:31:43] Jackafur: yea I think this is it. You just move 8-10 hexidecmials or pixels or whatever the fuck [2015-05-09 6:31:47] Jackafur: from A to B [2015-05-09 6:31:50] Jackafur: like this https://i.imgur.com/reiWjWv.jpg [2015-05-09 6:32:15] Jackafur: i dont think getting on 131 and touching the bucket matters at all. Ive done both w/ Chaos setup w/ same results. [2015-05-09 6:32:43] Jackafur: and im done. hopefully when you guys wake up all this rambling will make sense. [2015-05-09 8:05:54] ElGranJerry: CT -> http://www.twitch.tv/gand988 [2015-05-09 15:26:58] Redslash: Yo my skype didn't load stuff. Sounds plausible Jack, I'll check this out [2015-05-09 16:00:22] Jackafur: word let me know what you find [2015-05-10 8:27:29] ElGranJerry: new ct runner -> http://www.twitch.tv/veylin_ [2015-05-10 8:27:42] ElGranJerry: doing a run in a few [2015-05-10 8:28:02] ElGranJerry: and also a few days ago some other one got a 3:20ish but I can't find his channel anymore [2015-05-10 14:52:44] Ottavino: http://www.twitch.tv/kehanort ? [2015-05-10 15:49:28] ElGranJerry: yeah, the brasil guy. Thks man [2015-05-10 15:57:53] eLmaGus: if you catch them streaming, tell them to highlight their PBs 8) [2015-05-10 17:16:33] ElGranJerry: I told one [2015-05-10 17:16:43] ElGranJerry: The other one is doing a sort of marathon run so I will tell him laters [2015-05-12 7:29:46] SnesWarrior: Ouch Jack, just saw your highlight. It's surprisingly easy to softlock in EoT =( Make sure to never save to bottom-left of the savepoint [2015-05-12 7:35:01] ElGranJerry: new runner -> http://www.twitch.tv/cronokirby [2015-05-12 7:35:50] Jackafur: yea that was a bad way to learn about that [2015-05-12 7:35:54] Jackafur: but I was doing awful any way so [2015-05-12 7:35:59] Jackafur: i was like 12 mins behind lol [2015-05-12 7:36:39] SnesWarrior: I'm watching your new LSS setup in past broadcasts though, seems interesting [2015-05-12 8:22:50] Jackafur: yea i was doing it based on my little theory [2015-05-12 8:23:12] Jackafur: about having to move him over a certain distance or whatever [2015-05-12 8:23:14] Jackafur: seems to work ok [2015-05-12 8:23:36] Jackafur: I always get lucca in the same spot [2015-05-12 11:05:00] SnesWarrior: Yo does anyone know exactly how much subscribing takes from your acct at the end of the month? And if you cancel your sub, does it still last till the end of the month? [2015-05-12 11:09:04] Redslash: Yeah, like if you sub today and immediately cancel, it'd run out on 6/11 [2015-05-12 11:09:58] SnesWarrior: Sweet, I mean most things do that. Just wanted to make sure [2015-05-12 11:12:07] Redslash: So where did Jack softlock, below the savepoint? [2015-05-12 11:12:30] SnesWarrior: Yep, got stuck in the fence >< [2015-05-12 11:12:59] Redslash: Often you can get out from there, so I'll have to look [2015-05-12 11:13:36] SnesWarrior: He caught the savepoint while running diagonal down-left, so he saved waaay in the corner lol. [2015-05-12 11:14:44] SnesWarrior: also, Limit Break just started, for those that don't know [2015-05-12 11:16:50] DrunkenDraconian: you can get out, it happened to me as a kid, I almost died because i thought i lost my save [2015-05-12 11:17:21] DrunkenDraconian: i don't remember exactly how, but holding upright while laoding and saving again right away sounds like it would work [2015-05-12 11:21:09] Redslash: Ho ho, I managed to get it... definitely rip [2015-05-12 11:21:51] Redslash: Never seen this before, dang [2015-05-12 11:25:45] Redslash: If you're caught directly below the savepoint, running up+right gets you out (but not walking) [2015-05-12 11:30:22] DrunkenDraconian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZMJcXXjZc [2015-05-12 11:30:32] DrunkenDraconian: there are a few places i guess [2015-05-12 11:30:58 | Edited 11:31:43] SnesWarrior: There are def quite a few hehe [2015-05-12 11:31:46 | Edited 11:32:04] DrunkenDraconian: oh god even inside lavos at last save [2015-05-12 11:32:14] SnesWarrior: I'm loving how most of these are black omen lol [2015-05-12 11:32:45] DrunkenDraconian: feels like mist skip in ff iv [2015-05-12 11:35:35] SnesWarrior: I'm surprised bug testers didn't catch the glitch tbh. It's pretty easy to encounter =/ [2015-05-12 18:01:26] Jackafur: yea Ive gotten stuck in there and gotten out before... but this was like waaaay deeper than normal. [2015-05-16 12:00:47] Ottavino: CT 100% in 4 hours! Hype! http://www.twitch.tv/rpglimitbreak [2015-05-16 12:01:41] SnesWarrior: Heck yea! Also SoM Final Dungeon right now =) [2015-05-16 12:01:50] eLmaGus: will you be commentating on french otta? [2015-05-16 12:03:24] Ottavino: yeah [2015-05-16 12:03:31] Ottavino: on the french restream [2015-05-16 12:06:12] Ottavino: anyway thanks for the contact eLmaGus [2015-05-16 12:22:20] eLmaGus: yo no problem [2015-05-18 12:10:51] Jackafur: i blew a first try LSS [2015-05-18 12:11:35] SnesWarrior: I saw man, that was heartbreaking [2015-05-18 12:11:54] Jackafur: my heart fell in my stomach. that shit aint happening again for awhile. oh well [2015-05-18 12:12:07] SnesWarrior: You'll bop J time soon though, first try or not [2015-05-18 12:13:25] Jackafur: Yea I gotta work on like not reloading so much. sheeeet. [2015-05-18 12:18:14] Jackafur: yo [2015-05-18 12:18:20] Jackafur: fucking ganD just did LSS in a run [2015-05-18 13:43:31] ElGranJerry: I missed watching both runs with lss :( [2015-05-18 13:50:32] Jackafur: you probably didnt wanna see the 1st try LSS fail [2015-05-18 13:50:34] Jackafur: i was so happy [2015-05-18 13:50:35] Jackafur: and then so sad [2015-05-18 14:02:19] ElGranJerry: :( What happened? Missed inputs for elixir glitch? [2015-05-18 14:02:29] Jackafur: nah [2015-05-18 14:02:41] Jackafur: I Got the zip. Started the zip [2015-05-18 14:02:43] Jackafur: got in the menu [2015-05-18 14:03:02] Jackafur: got out of the menu and was going back into the menu but I like slipped up [2015-05-18 14:03:11] Jackafur: and i just didnt press the buttons basically lol [2015-05-18 14:03:14] Jackafur: and chrono flew away [2015-05-18 14:03:21] Jackafur: then I got it again a few tries later [2015-05-18 14:03:32] ElGranJerry: aaah :/ That sucks dude [2015-05-18 14:03:55] ElGranJerry: how was the run aside from lss? [2015-05-18 14:04:08] Jackafur: it was ok [2015-05-18 14:04:16] Jackafur: wasnt any thing super special [2015-05-18 14:04:32] Jackafur: im just bummed out cause I woulda saved aloooot of time if i had executed that first lss [2015-05-18 14:09:50] ElGranJerry: Yeah :/ [2015-05-18 14:09:55] ElGranJerry: It's bound to happen though [2015-05-18 14:09:58] ElGranJerry: hopefully sometime soon [2015-05-18 18:35:50] Redslash: Yo, CT-J. Rip me if she decides to run it, ha [2015-05-19 9:10:53] Ottavino: For 100%, is skipping silverstud and silverearring worth it? [2015-05-19 9:14:34] ElGranJerry: Yeah. I believed about 10-15s tops from the rough timings I did [2015-05-20 16:20:25] Redslash: Yikes, problem with the All Endings definition idea... If we base it on the "10 endings" statement, where unlocking NG+ isn't part of that count... do I even watch the 11th? X) [2015-05-20 16:23:45] Redslash: Might be better, to just use those 12 from the remakes. I guess that's the true spirit of the category? =P [2015-05-20 16:26:48] Redslash: (putting definitions back on Speedrun.com) [2015-05-21 6:43:35] eLmaGus: oh boy [2015-05-21 6:43:55] eLmaGus: well yeah i would just take the "official" defenition and put 12 endings in [2015-05-21 6:44:06] eLmaGus: its simpler and easier for people to understand [2015-05-23 15:01:23] ElGranJerry: Congrats Red :) [2015-05-23 15:36:45] Redslash: Thank you very much =3 [2015-05-23 18:09:46] Ottavino: 2:34:54, what a great time! GG Red! [2015-05-24 8:20:41] Obdajr: wow that's crazy congrats man! [2015-05-24 8:21:11] Obdajr: 2012 dinosaur grinding obda would never believe it lol [2015-05-24 9:33:35] eLmaGus: 2012 elmagus doesnt even know speedrunning exists X_X [2015-05-24 9:33:39] eLmaGus: gg congrats [2015-05-24 10:54:21] eLmaGus: red why did you add 2:37:11 on speedrun.com? wasnt it 2:37:08? [2015-05-24 11:02:07] Redslash: When I went to post it, I noticed you added a few seconds to my previous time.. figured it was for "console on" [2015-05-24 11:02:52] Redslash: Also thanks guys! =) [2015-05-26 7:33:32] ElGranJerry: Congrats on the run last night Puwexil :) [2015-05-26 9:12:15] Puwexil: thx :) [2015-05-27 8:37:39] ElGranJerry: 1:04:24 Masa split, ofc I choked it lmao. Hopefully I can sub 3 soon [2015-05-27 22:01:28] Redslash: Oh cool, that splits i/o on Jack's run [2015-05-27 22:06:58] Redslash: And I assumed it was Livesplit only, but Wsplit too... that's pretty neat [2015-05-27 22:10:35] Redslash: Ugh... ok, I'm not done with English yet [2015-05-28 18:52:35] eLmaGus: you can hear jerry's music cutting out before he enters the palace [2015-05-28 18:52:40] eLmaGus: something went wrong with the music there [2015-05-28 18:52:49] eLmaGus: regarding the softlock [2015-05-28 18:54:53] Redslash: Was gonna ask. Must be similar to when I softlocked entering the 2nd skyway... and that was on emulator... [2015-05-28 18:56:24] Redslash: Music cut, and entering any building/menu led to softlock =( [2015-05-28 19:02:54 | Edited 19:03:48] Redslash: So hmm, something to do with coming out of that type of warp..? [2015-05-28 19:13:04] eLmaGus: i had a similar one back in the day (also emulator), the music just screwed up on a screen transition and then i just got stuck and couldnt move [2015-05-28 19:13:07] eLmaGus: no black screen though [2015-05-28 19:13:37] eLmaGus: it could be an effect thing since mine was after i opened a Sealed Door which also has this shiny effect [2015-05-28 19:14:53] Redslash: Oh interesting, that shining sound [2015-05-28 19:15:44] eLmaGus: indeed [2015-05-28 19:15:51] eLmaGus: the same you have in the teleporters [2015-05-28 19:15:56] eLmaGus: thats why im thinking it might be related to that [2015-05-28 19:16:17] eLmaGus: it seems to be emulator exclusive for now and i hope it stays that way [2015-05-28 19:18:53] Redslash: Let's see if I can recreate it... would be nice if it's just a weird button combo... [2015-05-28 19:19:08] Redslash: It's trying to wrong warp us, I know it [2015-05-28 19:19:38] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-05-28 19:20:07] eLmaGus: it could just be too much buttons at once i remember holding up left A + B at the same time [2015-05-28 19:20:13] eLmaGus: but [2015-05-28 19:20:25] eLmaGus: i dont think jerry held that many [2015-05-28 19:28:21] Redslash: I had decent J run going earlier... Magus killed it =) [2015-05-28 19:29:44] Redslash: But not this time, ho ho... [2015-05-28 19:58:07] ElGranJerry: Check ottavino's highlight [2015-05-28 19:58:11] ElGranJerry: he has one in the future haha [2015-05-28 19:58:24] ElGranJerry: after the rat [2015-05-28 19:59:01] ElGranJerry: hmm, I don't hold B in the overworld, just a and the direction [2015-05-28 20:00:57] ElGranJerry: and yeah I remember yours Magus, I actually mentioned it, but it didn't make the cut into the highlight :P [2015-05-28 21:00:45] Redslash: Omg I'm in a 20-min infinite [2015-05-28 21:04:05] DrunkenDraconian: frog cutscene? ;) [2015-05-28 21:07:26] Redslash: Lol yeah... should call it quits, but I'd at least like to die on R-Series [2015-05-28 21:09:41] Redslash: Got some allowance =))) I'm done [2015-05-28 21:09:55] ElGranJerry: allowance hype Kreygasm [2015-05-28 21:12:05] ElGranJerry: gotta buy weapons from melchior early to have a shot at beating the game [2015-05-28 21:12:07] ElGranJerry: ;) [2015-05-28 21:19:53] Redslash: Lmao... too bad there's not an easier way to get money at the beginning, besides the fair games [2015-05-28 21:23:30] Redslash: Ah well. Probably putting a comparison to theory TAS on my splits isn't helping my play [2015-05-29 13:17:35] Redslash: I'm starting timer from 2.32 seconds (139 frames), cuz going from power on is too hard [2015-05-29 13:49:08] Redslash: -1:10 after Masa and I blew it... dang kangaroos [2015-05-29 20:41:58] Redslash: Dude the Future trolls me so bad... lost to Johnny and got all greens =) [2015-05-29 20:44:28] Redslash: I got off RNG too but it was really good greens, killed 2 in the first 2 moves [2015-05-29 20:45:20] DrunkenDraconian: are these J attempts? [2015-05-29 20:45:30] Redslash: Yeah [2015-05-29 20:56:55] Redslash: I have a column showing individual segment time loss, vs theory TAS... Really motivating to try and get single digits X) [2015-05-29 20:58:29] DrunkenDraconian: you are a machine dude [2015-05-29 21:00:38] Redslash: That'd be nice [2015-05-29 21:05:13] DrunkenDraconian: I need your cloths, your boots, and your speederbike [2015-05-29 21:05:31] Redslash: I don't like how that display starts counting from minus, as if gain is possible... [2015-05-29 21:05:43] Redslash: Ha ha [2015-05-29 22:13:11] ElGranJerry: Stream when :( [2015-05-29 22:13:20] ElGranJerry: Miss my boy red attempts [2015-05-29 22:14:30] Redslash: Ah dang, dunno man. Workin on it =) [2015-05-29 22:15:13] ElGranJerry: <3 [2015-05-30 10:52:23] Redslash: Ok today is the day, c'mon sub-2:30... [2015-05-30 10:59:03] Redslash: Congrats to Essentia on sub-5! The club is strong =0 [2015-05-30 12:46:51] EssentiaFour: Thanks! Puwexil and I are probably going to race later today [2015-05-30 14:31:57] ElGranJerry: If anyone is interested... doing a ct any% run http://www.twitch.tv/SpeedRunsCentral [2015-06-01 13:33:36] Puwexil: hey ottavino or redslash, are there cases where queueing an action that doesn't actually execute advances the RNG? [2015-06-01 13:34:08] Puwexil: lost a bunch of time last night because the 1st giant's claw rubble ran away - the only thing I did differently leading up to it was set magus' cursor to lightning 2 during son of sun's death animation [2015-06-01 13:35:12] Ottavino: queueing an action doesn't change the RNG [2015-06-01 13:35:40] ElGranJerry: you got attacked by the lizardactyl iirc [2015-06-01 13:35:56] Puwexil: I've had that happen many times and still killed the rubble [2015-06-01 13:36:39] Ottavino: if you get attacked, you are D6 instead of D3 but it doesn't change the rubble fight iirc [2015-06-01 13:36:54] Ottavino: let me check your vod [2015-06-01 13:37:02] Puwexil: figured that was the reason for swapping ayla for robo before giant's claw, so if the lzardactyl attacks it doesn't mess up ayla's HP for yakra xiii [2015-06-01 13:40:08] ElGranJerry: hmm interesting, I don't swap before gc. if she gets attacked I just midtonic before yakra [2015-06-01 13:43:03] Ottavino: you got the rare case where lucca did a blundershot at 33 and robo critical isn't enough to kill the rubble, but when i routed this it seemed to me that it was enough [2015-06-01 13:45:33] Puwexil: ah, is that only possible with D6? [2015-06-01 13:54:15] Ottavino: yes, at D3 lucca blundershot crits at 65-66, and robo crits at around 470 which is enough to kill [2015-06-01 13:54:43] Ottavino: at D6 lucca doesn't crit [2015-06-01 13:57:14] Puwexil: hmm, might start doing the giant's claw menu after the lizardactyl fight then - still having ayla should make it a bit easier to run before getting attacked [2015-06-01 13:57:53] Puwexil: thanks for checking :) [2015-06-01 14:00:00] Ottavino: if this happens at D6, add 2 miss then magus hit (ex: magus miss, lucca 33, robo 478, robo miss, lucca miss, magus 315) [2015-06-01 14:00:18] Puwexil: ahhh, even better [2015-06-01 14:00:44] Ottavino: i don't have a kaiserarm on my save so i don't know if your damage with robo was a low roll [2015-06-01 14:00:47] Puwexil: is the 2nd rubble still the same (lucca kills on 1st attack, or 3 misses and 2 magus hits)? [2015-06-01 14:04:50] Ottavino: yes, same battle except lucca doesn't crit on her attack so more chances to finish the battle with magus [2015-06-01 14:05:24 | Edited 14:07:41] Ottavino: you're at F7 instead of F1 (lucca kills) or F3 (robo kills), and lucca doesn't crit at F7 [2015-06-01 14:09:54] Puwexil: is there something other than the battle RNG seed that controls the wondershot multiplier? [2015-06-01 14:15:58] Ottavino: i'm not sure, but i think the multiplier dépends on game seconds [2015-06-01 14:18:54] Redslash: Apparently it's based on lowest digit of gametime, so 10-frame cycle (though I haven't tried it myself)... 0=10%, 1&2=50%, 3&4=100%, 5-7=150%, 8=200%, 9=300% [2015-06-01 14:19:54] Redslash: Or it might be seconds! I just assume frames [2015-06-01 14:20:08] Puwexil: is that what controls stuff like the acid/alkaline battle & black omen elevators too? [2015-06-01 14:21:01] Ottavino: acid/alka is based on the frame you enter the room [2015-06-01 14:21:55] Ottavino: i think it's the same for black omen elevators, the frame you push the button [2015-06-01 14:22:01] Redslash: Yep. Elevator is frame you hit the switch, but I dunno about the patterns at all [2015-06-01 14:24:25] Redslash: Imagine using wondershot to take a frame reading and get good elevator [2015-06-01 14:28:19] Redslash: Though pressing switches precisely is hard, ha ha [2015-06-01 14:29:51] Puwexil: yeah - want to poke around with resetting at the save in giga mutant's room to see if that affects the 2nd elevator, but I'm not optimistic on it going anywhere [2015-06-05 18:32:19] Obdajr: consistant Dalton 1 (only a second or so slower) falcon hit fire sword rock throw falcon hit [2015-06-05 18:32:49] Obdajr: for all your damage needs [2015-06-05 20:04:39] ElGranJerry: if you delay the 3rd FH by .5s you always kill [2015-06-05 20:04:41] ElGranJerry: as well [2015-06-05 20:04:48] ElGranJerry: both are good though :D [2015-06-06 8:14:29] Obdajr: looks like rock throw can miss, cat attack works too though and haven't missed yet [2015-06-06 8:21:41] Obdajr: well shoot cat attack can miss too, although only once out of like 15 attempts [2015-06-06 8:25:17] ElGranJerry: Just delay the last fh, easier [2015-06-06 11:16:11] Will: good run jerry! [2015-06-06 11:24:39] SnesWarrior: Ditto, really wish I wouldn't of randomly gotten sick =( [2015-06-07 6:30:48] ElGranJerry: Thanks [2015-06-07 6:30:58] ElGranJerry: But 3:33 isnt a good run lol [2015-06-07 15:45:23] Redslash: Aw, I found a method to hit the 3-frame window for EoT S/A (the double-tap at the bucket) [2015-06-07 15:46:24 | Edited 15:57:45] Redslash: Using one finger/thumb, press ABA as fast as possible (I do XYX). Never been early with it [2015-06-08 0:11:36] eLmaGus: congrats jerry + puwexil to PBs : > [2015-06-08 0:12:35] Puwexil: thx :) [2015-06-08 0:13:17] eLmaGus: puwexil what was your R-Series split? [2015-06-08 0:15:16] Puwexil: 46:56 [2015-06-08 0:15:38] Puwexil: think that's the 1st sub-47 I've ever gotten, thx to 4 greens [2015-06-08 0:15:45] eLmaGus: hah nice [2015-06-08 7:47:50] ElGranJerry: thx lol [2015-06-08 7:50:08] SnesWarrior: gratz you two [2015-06-08 7:57:53] ElGranJerry: Gonna upload that run though, everything is nicely explained and my mistakes were major not minor. Could help new 100% runners [2015-06-09 15:32:07] ElGranJerry: 2:09:20 BT choke :( [2015-06-09 15:32:53] ElGranJerry: SoB for Magus is 1:50:xx though [2015-06-09 15:33:08] ElGranJerry: I feel the 1:51 is near but nowhere close to 1:50 yet [2015-06-10 20:45:26] ElGranJerry: http://www.twitch.tv/puwexil on teh urrn [2015-06-11 0:17:40 | Edited 0:17:58] Redslash: Another new thing for EoT S/A, will make a tutorial soon (got sucked into Lua instead, on speedrun.com finally) [2015-06-11 0:23:58] Redslash: New thing: when you return to the bucket (running down+left), you don't have to go left behind it again, just let go of run and activate it. Even if your initial wiggle was off, it works (both 190 and 18F) [2015-06-11 0:44:37] Redslash: Ahh didn't account for holding run coming out of the pillar. I'll keep looking [2015-06-11 0:55:31 | Edited 0:59:06] Redslash: Get in behind bucket, run straight right (almost to lamp) then just walk left =P Not sure why I thought more space was important [2015-06-11 1:40:52] eLmaGus: how do i use the amazing LUA script (im a scrub go figure) [2015-06-11 1:42:16] Redslash: In Snes9x, it's File>New Script Window (or something like that) [2015-06-11 1:44:27] eLmaGus: 1.51 right [2015-06-11 1:44:34] eLmaGus: rr i mean [2015-06-11 1:45:14] Redslash: Yup [2015-06-11 7:40:09] ElGranJerry: puwexil, I saw you only used 2 speed tabs on lucca in the black omen? When do you ST her before? [2015-06-11 7:40:11] ElGranJerry: just curious [2015-06-11 7:59:31] eLmaGus: script works beautifully [2015-06-11 7:59:38] eLmaGus: can recommend [2015-06-11 8:48:26] Puwexil: I give lucca the denadoro speed tab, and get the geno dome one for magus [2015-06-11 8:49:11] Puwexil: I doubt it saves any time, but I believe lucca being faster + getting to skip a black omen tab makes it not cost time either [2015-06-11 9:38:17] ElGranJerry: interesting, sounds good [2015-06-11 10:03:17] Redslash: Here's that EoT S/A https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7aDYXlQppRxemltYXN3Y2pXREE [2015-06-11 10:04:18] Redslash: Requires holding run+right+up out of the pillar (Lucca gets offset +4,4 pixels due to that). But I think the wood gate doesn't matter here.. [2015-06-11 10:21:11] Redslash: What's cool is you can run straight up-left from Gaspar holding A, you'll miss Medina [2015-06-11 12:16:57] Redslash: Hoho, and since we're more to the right when activating the bucket, there's no getting stuck out-of-bounds [2015-06-11 12:36:04] ElGranJerry: 1.51rr doesnt work on my computer [2015-06-11 12:36:07] ElGranJerry: Rip life [2015-06-11 13:22:11] Redslash: Oh man. I'll get it on youtube, don't worry [2015-06-11 13:27:56] ElGranJerry: :D <3 [2015-06-11 13:28:57] ElGranJerry: I've been doing the setup with some pointers otta gave me a few weeks ago, but I have like 10% success rate since I don't have a video to compare lol [2015-06-11 16:39:38] Redslash: Try that https://youtu.be/pC5kKeRQ5oo =) [2015-06-11 16:45:22] DrunkenDraconian: does that breakaway only work when entering EOT via a pillar? or can it work during a load from the save point? [2015-06-11 16:46:10] ElGranJerry: thx red [2015-06-11 16:53:26] Redslash: Np Jerry [2015-06-11 16:53:44] Redslash: I guess just the pillar, I always thought it was the wood gate... [2015-06-11 16:56:12 | Edited 16:56:29] Redslash: But it must've been the pillar all along, which messed with my J LSS setups [2015-06-11 17:09:25] DrunkenDraconian: it is interesting to see another kind of breakaway anyways [2015-06-11 17:11:05] DrunkenDraconian: it saves time over that other BS, not sure if it would be enough though [2015-06-11 17:12:41] Redslash: Enough compared to ? [2015-06-11 17:13:44] DrunkenDraconian: the big long horizontal breakaway. [2015-06-11 17:13:58] DrunkenDraconian: for LSS E sorry [2015-06-11 17:14:17] Redslash: Oh oh, thought you meant enough time not distance [2015-06-11 17:17:16 | Edited 17:18:13] Redslash: Dang I forgot to mention what to do if you heal without 600AD popping up. I'd say No and just keep trying. [2015-06-11 17:41:34] ElGranJerry: Does it have to be Crono Robo Lucca? [2015-06-11 17:43:19] ElGranJerry: nvm, just got it Crono Lucca Marle [2015-06-11 17:43:23] ElGranJerry: guessing it doesn't matter? [2015-06-11 17:55:50] Redslash: Doesn't matter. I like putting Robo in before Heckran because he has no dialogue, and you need to do 2 swaps anyway~ [2015-06-11 18:26:06] Obdajr: thanks for that tutorial red, how much time does that save? [2015-06-11 18:32:28] DrunkenDraconian: Rip SNES :( at least i know why my capture cards never worked before [2015-06-11 18:49:06] Redslash: Oh no dude =( [2015-06-11 18:50:00 | Edited 18:50:12] Redslash: Looks like EoT takes ~14 seconds, Cathedral (with 2 fadeouts) takes 34 [2015-06-11 19:03:01] Redslash: Failing it is like 11 seconds for retry [2015-06-11 19:03:20] ElGranJerry: + add a team change after eot. I'd say 20ish seconds is about right [2015-06-11 19:04:16] Redslash: I think if you swap during Heckran S/A, the 1 less textbox might make up for it [2015-06-11 19:04:43] ElGranJerry: ah, sounds like a good idea [2015-06-11 19:05:08] ElGranJerry: then do the tabs during zombor? or during unequps [2015-06-11 19:05:17] ElGranJerry: same thing I'd guess [2015-06-11 19:06:02] Redslash: I think we figured during Zombor, so you can organize items [2015-06-11 19:06:22] ElGranJerry: truee, zomby it is [2015-06-11 19:06:27] Redslash: So yeah 1 more thing to remember, heh [2015-06-11 19:07:05] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-06-11 19:07:32] ElGranJerry: I just got 50/100, hopefully I can get at least 80/100 consistent before going for it in a run [2015-06-11 19:07:41] ElGranJerry: That double tap is hard :) [2015-06-11 19:14:22] Redslash: Hmmm I really should've mentioned it's still a 3-in-4 =) [2015-06-11 19:14:40] Redslash: I think so, anyway.. [2015-06-11 19:16:51] Redslash: Knew I probably forgot something actually important X) [2015-06-11 21:20:26] Redslash: The Blue Imps are really weird.. getting the quick attack just from doing a release-B (needs to be 4 frames) [2015-06-11 21:21:04] Redslash: The quick attack is because you're sent to x-coordinate 81 instead of 80, so the imp is actually 1 pixel closer to you [2015-06-11 21:28:11] Redslash: So yeah you can tell immediately... on 80 Crono is centered above some dark grass pixels [2015-06-11 22:11:59 | Edited 22:13:50] Redslash: Yeah, wow! The Masa steps are 2 pixels wide, so you end up on either 130 or 131 during the fight. Might explain some Masa trolls... [2015-06-12 9:09:59] Puwexil: ah, that'd explain why I could never get the berserk strat to work consistently [2015-06-12 12:01:21] Redslash: Ok, looks like left side of the stairs gives you y-position 130, right side gives 131. It also does change P2&P3's x-position (left or right 1 pixel). And, every 1 in 9 frames it behaves the opposite way X) [2015-06-12 12:03:17] Redslash: Another factor though.. depending on how off-center you hit the stairs, P3's position gets changed more, still looking at that [2015-06-12 12:13:25 | Edited 12:14:21] Redslash: That is, Crono's position must not matter since it's basically 50-50, so it might be a P3 thing that causes Masa troll [2015-06-12 15:36:28] Redslash: Well, there's no variation in P3's coordinate as long as you hit the stairs within 3px of center... [2015-06-12 15:47:18] Redslash: Crono's Y, P2's X, and P3's X and Y can all change, so 16 combos... within 3px you'll only get 2 combos ever [2015-06-13 0:31:01] Puwexil: RPGLB CT run is up at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G3BhRQDmBU if someone wants to add that to the wiki site [2015-06-13 19:16:36] Redslash: Got a question on Twitter about whether I use turbo in J runs... hmmm... [2015-06-13 19:21:25] Redslash: Just a small disconnect, using J timing but not J rules X) [2015-06-13 19:21:59 | Edited 19:22:36] Redslash: Cuz like, it'd make LSS trivial... not only the mashing, the frame-perfect tap intervals could be totally controlled... [2015-06-13 19:25:23] *** Group call *** [2015-06-13 19:25:30] ElGranJerry: lmao, sorry [2015-06-13 19:33:12] ElGranJerry: I think turbo controllers in a non J community can hurt since you need to buy specific controller for it [2015-06-13 19:33:27] ElGranJerry: But you're basically the only runner man, you set the rules imo [2015-06-13 19:33:35] ElGranJerry: you've done all the work on it [2015-06-13 19:34:19] Puwexil: fwiw I hate the use of turbo in speedruns and see it as pay-to-win, since the best turbo controllers are expensive JP imports [2015-06-13 19:35:09] Redslash: 30fps turbo will close half the texts on 2nd frame... I want 1st frame =) [2015-06-13 19:35:20] Puwexil: along with removing skill elements from games like movement in FF games [2015-06-14 10:35:02] Redslash: 30hz, rather. More of a jab at using jrta timing, really~ but ah well, it's fun [2015-06-14 20:44:50] Redslash: Hmm... was there any way to not get an item drop from battle? I heard of being short on Lapis's once, tho maybe due to other factors.. [2015-06-14 20:52:28] Redslash: Pretty sure low% can't go to Ocean Palace because drops on elevator, plus Krawlie. Gotta double-elixir [2015-06-14 20:57:23] Redslash: ... other option is grind to high level using only weak enemies (no volcano or rubble)... lol [2015-06-14 21:04:22] Redslash: Could it be done? Max level, but no equipment/items. Rip low% if so, but I assume not [2015-06-16 14:47:22] Redslash: Blackbird is weird... when Lucca and Robo equip weapons, they do not have de-equip effect yet, unless they actually equip then de-equip something... [2015-06-16 15:02:28 | Edited 15:03:39] Redslash: So you're just fighting Dalton with low defense... maybe put on Mesomail/Timehat for safety? (it gets automatically removed after Dalton, when old equipment is restored) [2015-06-16 15:03:32] DrunkenDraconian: do you think the blanks are a nameless piece of eq? [2015-06-16 15:04:18 | Edited 15:04:32] DrunkenDraconian: eg a weapon that removes all speed or something [2015-06-16 15:06:33] Redslash: I guess it must be nameless equipment, yeah. And the blanks in Blackbird are actual nothing [2015-06-16 15:09:52 | Edited 15:10:47] Redslash: Magic res of the non-fighting PCs is strange. Fire+Water are same as de-equip, but Shadow is 25% (extremely weak), and Lightning varies wildly (+30,60,90,120=absorb) [2015-06-16 15:12:06] Ottavino: Did you check the magic def in the ram? Because deequip add 15 magic def points per objects deequiped [2015-06-16 15:13:19] Redslash: Yep, I was about to say. I found Inichi's post so I decided to check it out [2015-06-16 15:14:02] Redslash: +15 m.def but +10 m.atk [2015-06-16 15:23:01 | Edited 15:23:33] Redslash: Maybe not accurate to call it magic defense... every character/enemy has default resistances of 4 (5 for character's own element), so +15 means 1/4 damage, another +15 makes it 1/7 damage [2015-06-16 15:23:10] Redslash: Just to summarize =) [2015-06-16 15:56:39] Redslash: Oh, when I was looking for other battles affected by coordinates (there aren't many), I found you can save ~15 frames in the 2nd Roly Rider fight, by touching the sparkle a bit lower [2015-06-16 15:57:39] Redslash: This makes Lucca stand farther down, and the Roly on the left moves counter-clockwise instead of clockwise, so he's just closer to Crono for his 2 attacks [2015-06-16 15:58:17] ElGranJerry: oh wow, i thought that was rng :P [2015-06-16 15:59:58] Redslash: Oh cool, I wondered if anyone else found it =) I always went straight to it the same way, so I'd never seen it before [2015-06-16 16:01:09] ElGranJerry: It was brought to my attention by some runner (can't remember) who always got that and thought he was in the wrong rng [2015-06-16 16:01:39] ElGranJerry: if it saves 15 frames lets go for it everytime then :) [2015-06-16 16:04:41] Redslash: Yeah dude. Oh and I tried that S/A in Keeper's dome, saves ~17 seconds? But too bad that the setup takes 14... (and isn't 100%) [2015-06-16 16:05:00] Redslash: I was at least surprised the same setup works, hehe [2015-06-16 16:05:24] ElGranJerry: yeah, I thought it was 28 for some reason [2015-06-16 16:05:31] ElGranJerry: but it's like 17-20ish yeah [2015-06-16 16:05:33] ElGranJerry: so rip [2015-06-16 16:06:15] Redslash: Oh shoot, and Gaspar has more textboxes too, so.. [2015-06-16 17:49:23] Redslash: Gonna try making an auto-splitter that detects black screen region, shouldn't be too hard... [2015-06-17 9:38:17] ElGranJerry: Still wondering why this didn't work http://imgur.com/GtVdbXg [2015-06-17 9:38:33] ElGranJerry: I don't want to highlight it because of the raging but I got completely past trigger and it didn't work :( [2015-06-17 9:38:59] ElGranJerry: ruined low/mid 56 zombor pace [2015-06-18 15:02:19] Redslash: So wait, on Golemtwins w/o Silverstud, you're just a couple MP short? On the elevator, it's 1 second faster for Crono to crit Barghest and Lucca atk Jinn (then Crono crit Jinn) [2015-06-18 15:05:01] Puwexil: in my no-silverstud route I don't need to do anything differently there as long as I shelter before the elevator [2015-06-18 15:05:25] Puwexil: since it would be ayla that has it, and she has exactly enough MP to kill the golem twins without [2015-06-18 15:06:33] Puwexil: if the mid ether to crono can be skipped, then nice - will try that out [2015-06-18 15:16:37 | Edited 15:17:05] Redslash: I believe so. I like to double check Falconhits in the route, because their duration is a bit deceptive (animation continues beyond the damage numbers) [2015-06-18 19:04:39] Redslash: Well ok then, Wondershot is based on whole seconds, not frames [2015-06-18 19:11:19] Redslash: I read "lowest digit of current play time" and made an assumption... so 10-second cycles, I'm trying it out on Retinite [2015-06-18 21:35:18] Redslash: Ah well, not too useful. Seems like Yakra XIII elixir doesn't work on J version... really can't imagine what I'm missing [2015-06-18 22:01:01 | Edited 22:13:57] Redslash: (Aw I thought Firetackle wasn't affected by de-equip, it just barely defeats Mother Brain!) [2015-06-19 22:33:00] Redslash: Omen elevators: [2015-06-19 22:33:00] Redslash: 1 encounter = 46% [2015-06-19 22:33:00] Redslash: double = 33% [2015-06-19 22:33:00] Redslash: triple = 5% [2015-06-19 22:33:00] Redslash: none = 16% [2015-06-19 22:33:00] Redslash: (goons = 23%) [2015-06-19 22:34:46] Puwexil: nice - figured it was 1 check for the # of battles instead of a separate check for each one [2015-06-19 22:55:17] Redslash: The 2 elevators have slightly different 60-frame patterns, but it's actually a Down pattern and an Up pattern =) [2015-06-20 0:02:47] Redslash: Ooh, Darkbomb on GigaGaia shell form? Robo has a crit =0 [2015-06-20 0:03:57] Redslash: GG, cool category. I did have to use Frog for Mammon+Zeal elixirs... but, no Magus dialogue~ [2015-06-21 16:46:09] Redslash: I tried to elixir glitch Blue Masa Spekkio (my favorite form) just for the hell of it.... something amazing happened [2015-06-21 16:46:44] DrunkenDraconian: o.O? [2015-06-21 16:54:09] Redslash: Oops! One sec [2015-06-21 17:36:58] Redslash: Lol ok https://youtu.be/zVNK-WIPIHg [2015-06-21 17:39:56] DrunkenDraconian: it bugged out his AI?? I was going to ask, I thought he only had 10000 hp [2015-06-21 17:42:29] DrunkenDraconian: and skipped the animation [2015-06-21 17:43:39] Redslash: Yep, he just dies before I can actually try using it [2015-06-21 17:44:28] DrunkenDraconian: so maybe elixir glitch for all bosses is possible?? [2015-06-21 17:46:37] Redslash: Always worth trying, just to see how they react. I guess he didn't know what to do against a "dead" party [2015-06-21 17:47:19] Redslash: Also a key part of it might be his insta-kill move... [2015-06-21 17:47:51] DrunkenDraconian: I also noticed you made an elixir input before you died [2015-06-21 17:48:02] DrunkenDraconian: I doin't know too much about spekkio [2015-06-21 17:48:48] Redslash: Ah yeah, I did that just to put cursor on Item [2015-06-21 17:48:49] DrunkenDraconian: is that an attack from his last form? [2015-06-21 17:50:15] Redslash: The fire thing? [2015-06-21 17:51:11] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I'm just looking at the moves list on chronopedia [2015-06-21 17:51:40] DrunkenDraconian: it's from a bugger or something though right? [2015-06-21 17:53:47] Redslash: Yeah, "attacked by moving object" text is from Bugger, and the actual move is straight up from BT [2015-06-21 17:55:47] DrunkenDraconian: but there are no dmg numbers either, it a very strange one :) [2015-06-21 17:57:31] Redslash: Yeah! I dunno what's going on [2015-06-21 17:59:38] Redslash: There's a lot of weird unused attacks in the game, wonder which it is http://datacrystal.romhacking.net/wiki/Chrono_Trigger/Tech_and_Attack_Documentation#List_of_Attacks [2015-06-21 17:59:58] Redslash: (And why) [2015-06-21 18:06:28] Redslash: This's actually a pretty bad list, lol. Most of these could be ID'd just by searching in the enemy AI (also on this site)... [2015-06-21 18:09:17] Redslash: Let's just do that real quick, hehe... [2015-06-21 18:18:00] ElGranJerry: lmao [2015-06-21 18:21:27] Redslash: That animation tho [2015-06-24 9:54:02] ElGranJerry: Trolled by Retinite :( That was sub 2:59 pace [2015-06-24 14:22:18] Redslash: Dang dude =( [2015-06-24 14:24:36] Redslash: Yo, I made some progress on a readable AI doc https://goo.gl/xfBNaZ [2015-06-24 14:24:47] Redslash: All the techs figured out at least [2015-06-24 14:25:46] Will: nice work man ^ [2015-06-24 14:34:34] Redslash: Thanks. There's some funny meaningless stuff here... like Lavos Invading Light move is actually the Left Bit's counter when Center Bit "pokes" it, ha ha [2015-06-24 14:35:42] DrunkenDraconian: makes sense. it's lavos' version of dual tech [2015-06-24 14:41:21] Redslash: Yeah, it's kinda like when Reptite smacks a Volcano [2015-06-24 14:45:30 | Edited 15:09:13] Redslash: Oh another example is when Retinite parts absorb from the core, that's a counter to the Core poking them (how they appear to get 2 moves in a row) [2015-06-24 15:28:08] Redslash: Ooh k, "HitCount" never made sense, it's 2ndPhase [2015-06-24 17:30:32] Redslash: Aww, imagine if it was Spekkio's Obstacle that bugged out... I was hoping for a new Shell strat X) [2015-06-24 17:39:11] Redslash: And it's not because end-of-routine... his AI is pretty basic, there's gotta be a simple reason [2015-06-24 20:19:40] Redslash: Must be the instadeath.. Spekkio doesn't need to be target-able with an item either, it's separate from the elixir glitch condition [2015-06-25 21:07:45] Redslash: Ok got all the battle texts in there, which helped a lot... tried to sort it by "game order" too (https://goo.gl/xfBNaZ) [2015-06-29 13:19:43] Puwexil: anyone know what can cause RNG manipulation on slash to fail right after the frog mid-tonic? [2015-06-29 13:20:04] Puwexil: last 2 any% attempts in a row, after I mid-tonic frog, slash attacks crono instead of frog [2015-06-29 13:21:15] Puwexil: and that's messed up the manipulation badly enough that it doesn't fix itself by ozzie [2015-06-29 13:37:00] ElGranJerry: if you are using robo for midtonic then that happens if you're too slow with MT iirc [2015-06-30 22:44:05] Redslash: Yo guys, Xenraedium is picking up the game and finding cool stuff https://twitter.com/xenraedium =) [2015-07-01 0:03:32] SnesWarrior: Nice, reading his tweets was interesting, always wondered what would happen if you could actually take Marle into 600ad and not softlock [2015-07-01 0:08:05] eLmaGus: apparantly not a whole lot :3 [2015-07-01 0:12:03] Redslash: Hehe, yeah it's a bit beyond me, but he's got that skill and curiosity. He's gonna find something =3 [2015-07-01 0:12:46] SnesWarrior: Really looking forward to when he starts poking at LSS [2015-07-08 9:45:29] Puwexil: What's the backup for failing the 2nd mid-tonic on Slash again? I did some testing last night and it looks like the Robo mid-tonic strat just doesn't work in Any% (guessing because of Marle being in the party for Flea and/or Decedents changing the RNG seed differently than in 100%). [2015-07-08 10:15:05] ElGranJerry: I don't have it written down but I can check it later and write it down, it's basically revive frog, heal him and make sure he attacks in the crit spots [2015-07-08 10:27:05] Puwexil: thx - I also want to test some more and see if I can come up with an alternative strat for the end of the fight (which would probably involve waiting for slash to attack crono, mid-tonicing him, and doing whatever I need to give frog the crits) [2015-07-09 10:55:35] Redslash: Dang, had an idea for Bird Skip, but I missed something about hitboxes. If one faced down and walked left, it seemed you could have 9 pixels instead of 2... but moving diagonally your hitbox extends on BOTH axes, not just the way you're facing [2015-07-10 7:19:05] ElGranJerry: Gonna be doing any% for a marathon tonight, if someone wants to hop into commentary just let me know :) https://horaro.org/ss4c2015/schedule [2015-07-20 19:56:54] DrunkenDraconian: Any% PB! 3:34:34 (repeating #s again) Thanks again eLmaGus for the host. It added hype and just enough pressure to force me to perform. [2015-07-20 20:11:22] eLmaGus: yo nice [2015-07-20 20:11:23] eLmaGus: grats [2015-07-20 20:49:07] ElGranJerry: Congrats :) [2015-07-21 2:22:08] Nihil922: (Y) [2015-07-21 3:36:29] Ottavino: GG [2015-07-21 6:41:58] SnesWarrior: Gratz dude! [2015-07-21 19:49:28] *** Will has left *** [2015-07-25 8:51:32] Obdajr: hey how hard is the setup for the lifeline lavos kill? is there any information written up about it? [2015-07-25 8:52:27] DrunkenDraconian: I know Red was working on lifeline for pink nu spekkio, not sure about lavos [2015-07-25 8:55:53] Puwexil: guessing it'd be an NG+ thing because of needing life2? [2015-07-25 9:13:42] Obdajr: yeah for all endings lol [2015-07-25 9:14:11] Obdajr: would be able to use it for a few endings [2015-07-27 14:51:16] Redslash: Yeah, I haven't tried it vs Lavos yet (any luck?) [2015-07-27 14:55:43 | Edited 14:58:18] Redslash: I'm recording a full run SMV (on English) that uses Back-in-Time. The thing is, I really wanna skip Rainbow... will be tough, but I think Dreamteam intended it [2015-07-27 16:08:50] Obdajr: im more worried about not having the prism specs [2015-07-27 16:12:57] Redslash: Er yeah, that whole deal. I'm getting Sunshades+Wonder (might try manipulating 3X shots), but getting Rainbow stuff takes so long, hmm... [2015-07-27 16:14:15] Redslash: Even with going in for Bluerock and prob the Rubbles [2015-07-27 16:28:41] Redslash: Let's see, to clarify... Back-in-Time means there's only 1 ending left that you must do NG+ to get (1 Crono+Marle no-Greendream fight) [2015-07-27 16:31:29 | Edited 16:34:09] Redslash: I'm not at the Omen yet, but I think grinding Death Peak for Luminaire should be enough to kill Panels w/ the Shades... if not, could charm a few Speedtabs for the NG+ Lavos ... not sure yet~ [2015-07-27 17:05:45] Redslash: I'll admit I dunno really what I'm doing re Black Omen strats... but I am proud of this Developer Ending http://bombch.us/BOqv =) [2015-07-27 17:13:36] Redslash: (Included core fight: 1-sec load for Ocean Palace Lavos) [2015-07-27 17:26:21] Obdajr: nice! [2015-07-27 17:26:55] Obdajr: I have no idea how back in time works, but im guessing it has to do with offsetting peeps in the end of time and doing lss type stuff? [2015-07-27 17:29:29] Obdajr: if you only need to do 1 fight without the green dream you can try lvl 38 chrono with the shiva edge haste helm nova armor, marle turn 1 life 2 and items, especially if you manipulate the battle, it should be doable [2015-07-27 17:55:39] Redslash: Ooh, lvl 38... Shiva Edge means completing Hero's Grave though, eh? 4x crit damage, wow... [2015-07-27 17:58:07] Redslash: Back-in-Time involves: getting Save-Anywhere in the Factory, turning on the alarm, and doing ~14 saves (2 tiles each), to skip the security doors scene. Then you come back with flying Epoch (after beating the Omen), you activate that alarm again (which sets the storyline counter back), then just fly around hitting triggers to advance the story [2015-07-27 17:58:45] DrunkenDraconian: lots of fun softlocks ;) [2015-07-27 18:00:32 | Edited 18:04:37] Redslash: You beat the Omen first because... when you BiT the Omen disappears and you cannot make it rise again. Also it is a little faster to go to EoT to face Lavos since you've defeated the Shell, compared to crashing the Epoch through [2015-07-27 18:03:06] DrunkenDraconian: you guys are getting me all excited, haha all endings' pacing sounds more fun to run now. [2015-07-27 18:29:27] Redslash: Yay~ [2015-07-28 7:30:17] Obdajr: So, do you have a video for back in time I could check out? Also how do you trigger the successor of guardia if you're forced to the end of time after that cutscene? [2015-07-28 7:31:01] Obdajr: Or is that the one ending you have to new game +? [2015-07-28 11:27:38] Redslash: Yep, that's the NG+ one. I'll post an smv of the setup here shortly (Otta made one but I lost the link) [2015-07-28 11:46:15] Obdajr: how do you do developer ending? elixir glitch in ocean palace? [2015-07-28 12:02:03] Redslash: Yeah, do some Falconhits on Retinite right after GigaGaia. The Epoch parks near there, which is nice, but still gotta walk up and get castle Elixir... also get Tabansuit then (Greendream skips the Taban cutscene)... maybe even Dashring from Heckran Cave chest [2015-07-28 12:05:58] Redslash: After Golemtwins, I make 3 saves and just keep going until Sun Palace since the RNG is good. Then load Ocean Palace, load & crash epoch, load Sun of Sun [2015-07-28 12:06:49] Redslash: Back-in-Time setup: http://bombch.us/BO1P [2015-07-28 12:19:53] Obdajr: Is there an ocean palace lavos kill setup too? [2015-07-28 12:33:44] Redslash: 1-sec load (0.7-1.3)... put Frog in slot 3 actually: just have Frog atk right bit when Crono gets hit [2015-07-28 13:11:20] Obdajr: Fight the shell normally? [2015-07-28 13:12:41] Obdajr: It is extra strong and fast iirc... [2015-07-28 13:13:43] Redslash: Ohh sorry, just elixir-glitch shell X) [2015-07-28 13:14:26] Obdajr: Yeah I thought so [2015-07-28 13:15:44] Redslash: Yeah, no setup needed really [2015-07-28 13:17:03] Obdajr: Really? Lol... Just Gd on crono and just shai labuf it? [2015-07-28 13:17:25] DrunkenDraconian: XD [2015-07-28 13:17:41] Redslash: Well, on Frog. But yeah lol [2015-07-28 13:17:58] Obdajr: Ok, I'm excited to try! [2015-07-28 13:23:32] Obdajr: So bright load or instant load is fine? [2015-07-28 13:42:35] Redslash: There's no savepoint after this Shell, is the thing. So the 1-sec load actually puts you in the 1.5-2.1 range for the inner fight [2015-07-28 13:48:24] Redslash: Or, I guess you could get save-anywhere at Golemtwins room, that'd be quite easy [2015-07-28 13:57:01] Obdajr: I like that [2015-07-28 14:33:34] ElGranJerry: all ending looking soo good :O [2015-07-28 15:41:35] Obdajr: Right? Hopefully the back in time trick isn't too hard [2015-07-28 15:48:38] ElGranJerry: It's pretty simple, small save anywheres and completely safe if failed [2015-07-28 15:52:44] Redslash: When you walk up to get castle Elixir +Tabansuit, it is faster to walk back down to the Epoch, but... maybe fight Gato and eat chicken there, for the Ocean Palace (since already talked to plant lady) [2015-07-28 15:53:25] Redslash: Lot of fun little routing possibilities [2015-07-28 15:58:32] Redslash: I'm more on board with ShivaEdge from Hero's Grave since I realized we'll skip Masamune II, and Lucca needs the level for Son of Sun anyway... [2015-07-28 15:59:59] Redslash: However, Magus barely can't kill the next set of monsters with Fire2, so we'll prob return after Son of Sun to complete it X) [2015-07-28 16:10:44] Obdajr: nah just cast fire 2 with magus and with lucca or something [2015-07-28 16:10:58] Obdajr: well nm you have to leave between those two sections anyways [2015-07-28 16:11:50] Obdajr: is there any point of fighting gato and eating chicken early? you can get the clone, but you'd have to play the full minigame and win [2015-07-28 16:13:40] Obdajr: shiva's edge is a pretty big power drop compared to the rainbow (170 vs 220) but if you have a free item slot for say... the rage band, counter crits might be a real thing [2015-07-28 16:13:52] Obdajr: especially with manipulated crits [2015-07-28 16:45:08] Redslash: Yeah, Hero's Grave is pretty close to Sunkeep, I think it'd work out [2015-07-28 16:46:01] Redslash: Gato early is prob no good, thinking about it more... Can't wait to play with Shiva Edge [2015-07-28 17:15:05] Obdajr: =D [2015-07-28 17:15:07] Obdajr: exciting [2015-07-28 17:49:35] Redslash: Whoa spooky, you can land "inside" the 600AD Sunkeep mountain [2015-07-28 17:51:22] Redslash: No secrets back there tho, dang [2015-07-28 18:48:42] Obdajr: ungh what version of snes9x do I need to play that BiT setup vid... [2015-07-28 18:49:51] Redslash: Oh, Snes9x 1.51-rr... [2015-07-28 18:52:19 | Edited 18:55:37] Obdajr: cool that doesn't look that hard [2015-07-28 18:56:30] Obdajr: I have no idea why the game lets you move like that though lol [2015-07-28 20:05:07] Redslash: Haha, yeah [2015-07-28 20:50:51] Redslash: Hero Grave fights seem to level Lucca & Robo enough to survive Lavos Spawns... also, might as well get Marle's best weapon =) [2015-07-28 20:56:13] Obdajr: is there really a point to that? [2015-07-28 20:57:30] Redslash: I guess we'll see X) Might help tip the scales vs NG+ Lavos [2015-07-28 20:57:42] Obdajr: possibly [2015-07-28 20:58:05] Obdajr: I think she can do 400-500 dmg with it [2015-07-28 22:31:52 | Edited 22:32:33] Redslash: Man, I never thought of grinding Ruminators [2015-07-28 22:33:24] Redslash: (Whoops, I was thinking Pink Nu could be faster, but it's only TP) [2015-07-29 7:07:27] Obdajr: Yeah, crono even gets about 20 more exp from 6 krakkers while dead than 4 ruminators while alive [2015-07-29 12:25:24] Redslash: Wow, the endings are long... just 1 ending left to go in my sloppy TAS, we're at 6.5 hours =) [2015-07-29 13:21:26] Redslash: Uh-oh, Crono has no chance against Doors of Doom... looks like Marle does with a Wall Ring [2015-07-29 14:43:38] Obdajr: Yeah crono has to be lvl 42 to survive doors [2015-07-29 14:44:04] Obdajr: Green dream is an option, or marle turn 1 life 2 [2015-07-29 14:57:20] Obdajr: Marle with zodiac Cape Vigil helm does ok, wall ring if there is nothing better I guess [2015-07-29 15:11:58] Redslash: She's also level 35 lol, and not close to Life2... looks like more grinding is in order [2015-07-29 15:13:12] Redslash: I just learned Luminaire (which happened to be level 38) and booked it [2015-07-29 15:30:15] Obdajr: It shouldn't be too much more for life 2, however I got flare on death peak with marle around [2015-07-29 15:42:51 | Edited 15:44:02] Redslash: Since I skipped Genodome and stuff, I learned Flare in the Omen... I'd better put Marle in more fights (900 away, heh) [2015-07-29 15:44:44] Obdajr: Yeah I skipped some as well, but grinding on death peak equalizes marles tech points, gives you omega flare for mega mutant, flare for ruminators, and slightly more exp per battle for crono [2015-07-29 15:45:06] Obdajr: Dome* [2015-07-29 15:46:01] Obdajr: oh and much more exp per battle for marle [2015-07-29 15:46:41] Redslash: I decided to use Doomsickle on Mega Mutant. Flame Whirl (Ayla+Lucca) really saved me without Flare, getting to and then grinding Ruminators [2015-07-29 15:47:35] Obdajr: That's probably still better than detouring for a blue rock [2015-07-29 15:48:38] Obdajr: Dark bomb is pretty good against mega mutant and wouldn't be hard to get [2015-07-29 15:49:48] Redslash: I went ahead and popped into Giant's Claw just for that, decided the Rubbles though weren't worth it [2015-07-29 15:50:34] Redslash: Actually iirc I was 13TP from Darkbomb, ha [2015-07-29 15:50:44] Obdajr: I concluded the same [2015-07-29 15:51:39] Obdajr: Yeah, even 1 extra fight on death peak would get you there [2015-07-29 15:52:11] Obdajr: How are you killing ruminators without flare? [2015-07-29 15:55:49] Redslash: Ayla+Lucca's "Fire Whirl", actually (that repeat name)... I put the Shades on Ayla too since that was a bit stronger (prob not necessary) [2015-07-29 15:58:14] Redslash: I don't think I fought any Krakkers, maybe 1 [2015-07-29 16:02:59] Obdajr: But you can't fit marle in that party [2015-07-29 16:03:08] Obdajr: Something to consider [2015-07-29 16:03:33] Redslash: Right, until she learned Flare [2015-07-29 16:12:37] Redslash: Oh it also cost Ayla 10mp and Lucca 8mp per, kinda nice compared to Flare... [2015-07-29 16:14:46] Obdajr: yeah [2015-07-29 16:15:17] Redslash: Dang, 600TP until Flare after Death Peak, so 6 min grind either way... pretty much gotta do it there then [2015-07-29 16:15:26] Obdajr: yeah [2015-07-29 16:15:38] Obdajr: there's lots of benefits I think [2015-07-29 16:15:45] Obdajr: to grinding on death peak [2015-07-29 16:16:09] Obdajr: without life 2, you need crono to be lvl 42 or somehow kill an arm before the second doors of doom [2015-07-29 16:16:10 | Edited 16:16:30] Redslash: Skip Doomsickle, for one =P [2015-07-29 16:16:52] Obdajr: its tight even with the prism specs [2015-07-29 16:17:15] Obdajr: I mean im sure I haven't thought of every workaround yet though [2015-07-29 16:19:06] Obdajr: also marle can survive the doors at a way lower level [2015-07-29 16:19:58 | Edited 16:20:09] Redslash: I bet Crono's gonna come out at level 42 after this Life2 grind anyway, ha [2015-07-29 16:20:49] Obdajr: I think you can get life 2 5-8 battles or so faster than getting crono that high [2015-07-29 16:21:00] Obdajr: but would need to be calculated for sure [2015-07-29 16:22:00] Obdajr: green dream on marle can live through the lavos spawn fights [2015-07-29 16:23:41] Redslash: You're right, Life2 will be sooner. Mmm too bad about no Greendream [2015-07-29 16:25:16] Obdajr: oh I wrote out a route outline at work >.> wanna take a look and help me fix it up? [2015-07-29 16:25:47] Redslash: Oh cool, sure! [2015-07-29 16:25:51] *** *** [2015-07-29 16:26:11] Obdajr: its a word doc; I can paste it onto something else if that doesn't work [2015-07-29 16:30:33] Redslash: Should be fine with OpenOffice. Not sure that it's coming through tho [2015-07-29 16:30:48] Obdajr: oh [2015-07-29 16:31:54] *** *** [2015-07-29 16:32:10] Obdajr: did that work? [2015-07-29 16:32:43] Redslash: Yup [2015-07-29 16:43:56] Redslash: Ooh, what I'll do, is make an SMV showing the movement needed after Back-in-Time (excluding Lavos fights)... should look pretty cool that way [2015-07-29 16:48:42] Obdajr: oh yeah cool [2015-07-29 16:48:57] Obdajr: that would help [2015-07-29 16:50:28] Obdajr: I haven't messed around with triggering events and stuff at that point yet (mainly cause its hard to do while at work lol) [2015-07-29 18:37:37] Redslash: Something like this: http://goo.gl/UaO5fK I included the reactivation and stuff... [2015-07-29 18:38:52] Redslash: You need to park Epoch at Bangor Dome or the Fair (the Fair might make more sense, since you have to fly to Medina to re-enable swapping and get Frog back in) [2015-07-29 18:40:24] Redslash: Anytime you fly Epoch to EoT, you lose it, so... just make sure never to save there [2015-07-29 18:45:12] Redslash: There's so much to play around with though. The order of endings could still be more efficient I think [2015-07-29 18:49:17 | Edited 19:32:41] Redslash: Oh also, I'm swapping Frog to P2 because mash loads, otherwise he's P3 because we hit the 1.5-2.1 window (after each of: R-Series, Tata fights, Nizbel, Kino's jailors, Golem). All the loads are mash except for a Bright (Tata) and three 1-sec (R-Series, Tyrano jail, Golem) [2015-07-29 18:56:51] Obdajr: I think you can trigger the legendary hero without the tata fights by talking to people in the towns [2015-07-29 18:57:04] Obdajr: could be wrong thugh [2015-07-29 18:59:59] Redslash: I made a mistake there too>> Tata fight is a Bright load [2015-07-29 19:04:49] Redslash: Actually, you normally just need to enter the Truce Canyon gate screen. But the storyline has to be at "Heckran defeated" for that trigger to work.. [2015-07-29 20:47:53] Obdajr: oh wow I see you do the endings in a really weird order [2015-07-29 20:50:47] Redslash: Yep, you can do any order, if you don't save after hitting a trigger. I mainly just grouped by time period [2015-07-29 20:55:03] Redslash: Purposely a bit inefficient flying over pre-flood 12000BC, gotta show that map off =) [2015-07-29 20:56:40] Redslash: Sorry if "spoilers" lol [2015-07-29 20:58:37] Obdajr: yeah I was thinking about that today [2015-07-29 20:58:56] Redslash: I'm pretty hype about that really, it's a great feature [2015-07-29 20:59:25] Obdajr: for sure [2015-07-29 21:00:09] Obdajr: this vid is hard to replay... I might record it cause im bad at missing things... [2015-07-29 21:04:34] Redslash: I tried not to make it too confusing, but yeah there is a lot going on [2015-07-29 21:10:46] Redslash: Formula is pretty much: load, fly, save, trigger, Frog swap, bucket [2015-07-30 13:37:01] Redslash: Hmm I like Doomsickle stuff because Gloomhelm (protects status) frees up the Amulet. But there's a Sight Cap leaving Giant's Claw, and even a Zodiac Cape [2015-07-30 13:38:02 | Edited 13:38:59] Redslash: With this Zodiac (and Ceratopper), Marle can fight Lavos Spawns... [2015-07-30 13:46:02 | Edited 13:48:09] Redslash: (with Dash Ring on Robo, the fights can go Firetackle, heal, Firetackle, Icetackle) [2015-07-30 15:10:12] Redslash: I thought Zodiac Cape protected status rofl... but, here's an idea for MegaMutant without Flare or Doomsickle... [2015-07-30 15:12:22 | Edited 15:24:27] Redslash: Ayla Sight+Zodiac+Speed, Lucca (no helm) Taban+Amulet, Magus Sight+Shades... Magus Fire2, Tailspin (Chaotic Zone) Megabomb, mash Fire2 & Tailspin (leg dies, head 600hp: Sleep Gas) hold X~ [2015-07-30 15:29:19 | Edited 15:32:19] Redslash: Probably grind Ruminators with Ayla-Lucca-Marle (I believe it was only 4 to Flare), then Crono-Lucca-Marle to Luminaire/Life2. I think it'd work out [2015-07-30 16:08:50] Obdajr: for spawns I like buying a sight cap and equipping marle with the green dream to survive [2015-07-30 16:13:31] Obdajr: yeah that sounds solid for the grinding distributions [2015-07-30 16:13:52] Obdajr: want to maximize runimators since tech points are the limiting factor [2015-07-30 16:32:07] Redslash: Ohh right, we have Forest Shrine open before the Blackbird, might as well spend it all [2015-07-30 16:32:23] Obdajr: yeah [2015-07-30 16:36:25] Redslash: Really be sure to keep Plasmagun tho, money will be tight for Megablast~ [2015-07-30 16:38:07] Obdajr: I mean worst case you can buy something in truce for like 200 [2015-07-30 16:39:27] Redslash: Oh, or de-equip Airgun after Ocean Palace, always forget that option [2015-07-30 16:39:34] Obdajr: yeah [2015-07-30 16:39:52] Obdajr: megablast always seemed like an unnecessary option to me [2015-07-30 16:42:13] Redslash: Money route for the Clone is kinda wild, because after Blackbird you pretty much need it all "now" [2015-07-30 16:44:40] Obdajr: I mean you can just do the minigame some number of times to make it much less expensice [2015-07-30 16:52:19] Redslash: Actually it's not so bad, sell KaiserArm and an elixir too [2015-07-30 16:52:42] Obdajr: right you don't need it after the ocean palace [2015-07-30 16:53:35] Obdajr: can pickj up extra stuff in the desert too [2015-07-30 17:04:57 | Edited 17:07:59] Redslash: Whoops, I did factor Memorycap into that (and Doomfinger). I'll check on the money situation at Retinite.. [2015-07-30 17:26:05] Redslash: 21k before selling anything, perfect [2015-07-30 17:27:33] Redslash: I notice Marle is 16TP from Cure after Retinite, probably fix that and get the boost... [2015-07-30 17:28:29] Redslash: I had her learn Cure in the Hero's Grave, doubled a 32 instead of 100...! [2015-07-30 17:28:30] Obdajr: could falcon hit a group in the dessert [2015-07-30 17:28:33] Obdajr: for 45 [2015-07-30 17:28:53] Obdajr: then get the 100 boost [2015-07-30 18:38:48 | Edited 18:39:34] Redslash: Since Robo gets 2000exp from Retinite (for Dalton Plus), I can put Marle back in for Flea+Decedent... 1TP remaining then for Marle, but if Robo gives up 4 more he'll lose Robotackle... X) [2015-07-30 18:47:27] Redslash: Return of early Gato? heh... it'd have to be very early tho, like, right after Heckran [2015-07-30 18:49:03] DrunkenDraconian: you guys.... the hype [2015-07-30 21:01:20] Redslash: I just used Swallow on NG+ Lavos, no real issues (even got Grandstone'd, lol)... 6 speedtabs on Marle turned out to be nice [2015-07-30 21:21:17] Redslash: Dude, since there's no save point (and we have S/A from Yakra), you can save during menu glitch! [2015-07-30 21:21:34] ElGranJerry: :O [2015-07-30 21:21:45] ElGranJerry: sweeet [2015-07-30 21:31:10] Obdajr: oh hey yeah if swallow works, then im all for it [2015-07-30 21:37:11] Obdajr: its different if you have to fight lavos a lot of times, but just once, you really only need a victory [2015-07-30 21:37:55] Obdajr: wait you mean you can save in between lavos fights? [2015-07-30 21:38:01] Obdajr: what happens when you reload? [2015-07-30 21:40:29] Redslash: You're just there, Core fight starts X) [2015-07-30 22:00:25] Redslash: It'd be awesome to skip the Hero Grave quest completely... Omen front door before Son of Sun is almost enough [2015-07-30 22:52:32] Redslash: Oh my, you can get Gian't Claw Sightcap "from a distance" (below it) and not trigger the Gigasaur [2015-07-30 22:54:04 | Edited 23:48:11] Redslash: The Lizardactyls you normally run from kinda beat you up, but Ayla learns Tailspin(Firewhirl) from those Omen Laserguards, then 1-shotting these gives Lucca just enough Exp =) [2015-07-30 23:41:32 | Edited 23:42:43] Redslash: One last thing... I tried Gato after Heckran, and hit him for 75 (of 76), lmao... bright load hits 76, 2nd round you have to Cyclone, 3rd round Berserk Marle crits =D [2015-07-31 9:59:04] Obdajr: Why do we need a sight cap? Mega mutant? There is a vigil helm in the omen [2015-07-31 11:08:30] Redslash: Mmm yeah, Mega mutant, gonna need 2 sightcaps plus amulet [2015-07-31 11:09:31] Obdajr: Or doom helm sight cap amulet [2015-07-31 11:09:59] Obdajr: Doesn't 1 turn using a heal kinda fix that though? [2015-07-31 11:12:09] Redslash: Oh I skipped Ozzie's Fort~ The 2nd sightcap is really fast to get, it's right in your path as you're leaving Giant's Claw [2015-07-31 11:12:42] Obdajr: Yeah my idea was just to buy one or two [2015-07-31 11:13:48] Redslash: Yep we have just enough to buy 1, and then pick up the 2nd [2015-07-31 11:14:32] Obdajr: Ok sounds good [2015-07-31 15:28:46] Redslash: 4 speedtabs on Marle is also fine, no out-of-the-way tabs needed [2015-07-31 16:04:23] Obdajr: 15 speed on crono including swallow? [2015-07-31 16:05:12] Obdajr: Also do you need speed tabs for robo at all for the end of the omen? [2015-07-31 16:23:19] Redslash: Max speed with Swallow. Crono gets the normal tabs, Lucca gets Denadoro tab, then there's 4 in the Omen. Robo was good with just Hastehelm, but, I did play the Spawn very safe (didn't use Greendream) [2015-07-31 16:24:49 | Edited 16:24:55] Redslash: Magus (13) was actually slower than Robo ( 6) w/ Hastehelm, so [2015-07-31 16:29:37] Redslash: That is, I did 4 Firetackles and 1 Omegaflare, I'll try some better stuff [2015-07-31 16:34:35 | Edited 16:36:57] Redslash: I was antsy to work on elixir-glitches, and kept Greendream on Frog... I worried about Frog taking enough damage from Mammon Machine (since he doesn't get Halation'd), but you can Slash to raise its attack, lol [2015-07-31 16:44:40] Obdajr: do you swap characters inbetween zeal and mammon? [2015-07-31 16:45:01] Obdajr: also is frog just an elixir god or something? [2015-07-31 16:51:44] Redslash: Yup yup [2015-07-31 19:15:30] Obdajr: ok I pulled off back in time, its pretty eassy [2015-07-31 19:15:48] Obdajr: finally the weekend so I can try stuff... [2015-07-31 19:37:19] Obdajr: just a thought, you could sell the jerky for 10000; I know the money isn't an issue any more though [2015-07-31 21:14:30] Redslash: Ah but we still need the Shades [2015-07-31 21:15:41] Redslash: Crono can live through Dalton1, with just a Midtonic... I need to look up GigaGaia w/o SilverStud, I totally forget the good strat [2015-07-31 21:34:18] Redslash: Nvm wrong accessory, I bet it's Flamekick+crit [2015-07-31 21:57:14] Obdajr: oh hey I just notice my time isn't updated on ctspeedruns leaderboads lol... [2015-07-31 21:57:22] Obdajr: lemme highlight and submit that... [2015-07-31 22:03:15] Redslash: Oh right on, I must've missed it =0 [2015-07-31 22:03:36] Redslash: I see now it's 2 Midethers... quite good actually [2015-07-31 22:03:43] Obdajr: I hadn't had it highlighted so it was probably my bad [2015-07-31 22:03:59] Obdajr: yeah 2 mid ethers or 4 napalms [2015-07-31 22:05:13] Obdajr: I think the difference is something like the 2 mid ether start is 5-10 seconds faster [2015-07-31 22:05:33] Obdajr: if you consider everything including shelter timing [2015-07-31 22:06:02] Redslash: I was doubting early Shelter, so I started with 44/46mp instead of 40/40, Ayla had enough for a Flamekick after 11 Falcons [2015-07-31 22:06:15] Obdajr: yeah [2015-07-31 22:06:26] Obdajr: I like late shelter too [2015-07-31 22:16:18] Redslash: And the crit finished it. This worked with a Powerglove on Crono, Powerscarf stays on Ayla... btw, I keep Ayla in for all the Rubbles [2015-07-31 22:17:26] Redslash: I dunno if that's good for 100%, Robo still learns Robotackle at the Turret. Mainly doing this for Tailspin [2015-07-31 22:18:51 | Edited 22:19:37] Redslash: Part of the equation is that Robo fights the Jugglers (1sec faster than Lucca, counting the swaps) [2015-07-31 22:24:47 | Edited 22:27:12] Redslash: Hm, but I took him out of Flea. I'll check this in 100% sometime. Even juggling TP for 5 chars in AE, seems to be enough to go around~ [2015-07-31 23:31:10] Obdajr: yeah I had a spreadsheet going a long time ago but its horribly out of date [2015-08-01 0:57:36] Redslash: I'd share mine, just gotta fix a broken thing (kinda rare and never bothered) [2015-08-01 7:54:08] Obdajr: gonna stream a run of this today, although I don't have many of the details practiced yet, just want to get a feel for it :) [2015-08-01 8:40:50] Redslash: Cool! Good luck Obda =) [2015-08-01 8:42:20] Obdajr: oh wait I think I missed the trigger for dino age ending; is it just free kino then go fight lavos? [2015-08-01 8:44:21] Redslash: Just gotta run from reptite jailor, no Kino [2015-08-01 8:44:44] Obdajr: the group of 3? [2015-08-01 8:58:27] Redslash: Yeah [2015-08-01 12:53:43] Redslash: Oh my, I miss those ~6 Lapis drops from Hero's Grave [2015-08-01 20:19:48] Redslash: I'm gonna add Xen =) [2015-08-01 20:21:56] *** Redslash added X *** [2015-08-01 20:25:02] ElGranJerry: Hello :) [2015-08-01 20:25:25] Xenraedium: hello! [2015-08-01 20:35:33] Redslash: Hi! =) [2015-08-01 20:49:32] Xenraedium: i appreciate the invite and i'm looking forward to working with you guys. i am curious about what has been done with all endings this week if someone doesn't mind catching me up on that. [2015-08-01 20:59:38] Redslash: We're using Back-in-Time: store the Factory alarm "cutscene" (with lots of Save-Anywheres), then re-fight RSeries after acquiring the flying Epoch. You can fly around hitting story triggers from there to get the endings =) [2015-08-01 21:01:45] Redslash: Only 1 ending requires NG+, all the rest you have Greendream for (elixir glitch) [2015-08-01 21:04:15] Xenraedium: interesting, i was not aware you could do something like that in this game. how long is the category with this glitch? i recall all endings being arond 12 hours or something, but i assume this cuts off a large amount of time. [2015-08-01 21:10:50] Redslash: Obda's goal atm is sub-9; I bet we'll see sub-7! [2015-08-01 21:14:48] Redslash: The route is looking great: Mt Woe -> Desert -> OceanP/Blackbird -> Omen frontdoor -> Bluerock (Giant's Claw) -> Sunstone -> Death Peak -> Omen [2015-08-01 21:19:10 | Edited 21:19:17] Redslash: We were getting Shiva Edge from Hero's Grave. Decided it's no improvement over Swallow, but the Lapises dropped from those fights ( 6) are a big deal...! [2015-08-01 21:21:26] Redslash: There's extra Lapis on Mt Woe, and near the Zodiac Cape in Giant's Claw. Prob necessary for the Lavos Spawns [2015-08-01 21:24:10] Xenraedium: the shiva edge also does 4x damage when you land a crit, correct? or am i thinking of a different weapon? either way, this route sounds good so far. [2015-08-01 21:24:40] Xenraedium: i am going to head off to bed since i have to get up early but if there is anything else you would like to add (or anyone else) i would love to read it when i wake up. [2015-08-01 21:30:57] Redslash: Yep 4X, but way low crit rate and the quest is long [2015-08-01 21:32:49 | Edited 21:43:09] Redslash: Right on, have a good one man. Glad to have you =) [2015-08-02 5:23:13] eLmaGus: yo X welcome [2015-08-02 6:58:24] SnesWarrior: Yo welcome man, been wondering when someone was gonna add you, enjoyed reading your twitter posts =) [2015-08-02 10:45:02] Obdajr: we are skipping sunshades right? [2015-08-02 11:34:07] Redslash: We could, I wasn't considering it though... figured it'd be too helpful for NG+ Lavos, and the quest is small [2015-08-02 12:13:35] Redslash: Let's skip it if we can. I had Tabansuit on Lucca anyway, so removing that I guess makes up for no Shades [2015-08-02 12:16:14] Redslash: Also, idea for Ruminator grinding: get S/A from Nu room, and use Shelters (at least skips Fullether shopping) [2015-08-02 12:50:11] Obdajr: the shades have a tonne of uses: [2015-08-02 12:50:11] Obdajr: lavos spawns [2015-08-02 12:50:11] Obdajr: mega mutant dmg [2015-08-02 12:50:11] Obdajr: flare for ruminators without unequipping helm and suit [2015-08-02 12:50:11] Obdajr: omega flare dmg for terra mutant [2015-08-02 12:51:23] Obdajr: fire tackle dmg for lavos spawn (strong) [2015-08-02 12:51:23] Obdajr: omega flare dmg for zeal [2015-08-02 12:51:23] Obdajr: tonnes of dmg ops for the shell [2015-08-02 12:51:23] Obdajr: easier newgame plus lavos kill [2015-08-02 12:51:47] Obdajr: im a fan of getting it, though the quest does cost like, 4-5 minutes? [2015-08-02 12:51:51] Obdajr: ill time it [2015-08-02 12:52:08] Obdajr: I like sheltering for ruminators [2015-08-02 13:15:50] Redslash: Lol, froze on encountering the 1st Spawn. No-music glitch [2015-08-02 13:51:08] Redslash: Without shades, 1 extra Firetackle on Spawns (Firetackle+Fulltonic, Firetackle+Midtonic, Heal+Icetackle, Firetackle). With RNG manip you know who to heal. Probably not worth fighting the 2nd one... [2015-08-02 13:51:48] Redslash: Mega Mutant is still very manageable: 2 rounds of Tailspin+Megabomb+Fire2 [2015-08-02 13:52:59 | Edited 13:57:07] Redslash: Oh I learned Icetackle immediately before 1st Spawn: if you trigger the 3 eggs right, you can Antipode 'em all with the reaper guy =) [2015-08-02 14:08:56] Obdajr: neat [2015-08-02 14:10:06] Obdajr: so you're fighting lavos spawn, 3 krakkers reaper, lavos spawn and that's all? [2015-08-02 14:11:44] Obdajr: or doing some number of 6 krakker groups [2015-08-02 16:37:16] Redslash: Nah, no groups there. Though maybe 1, to make 3rd Spawn's sleepwave fail... [2015-08-02 16:45:58] Redslash: Wait... ok, let's learn Flare there (18 fights). Crono's only level 35 when you learn Luminaire/Life2... making a lot more sense to grind those levels before the Omen [2015-08-02 16:56:27] Redslash: Didn't realize the difference would turn out that big [2015-08-02 16:57:47] Obdajr: cool yeah that kinda what I had invisioned [2015-08-02 17:04:14] Redslash: That'll be way better, Laserguard + MegaMutant RNG was looking questionable tbh [2015-08-02 17:04:52] Redslash: Also had no answer to Goons on 1st elevator... [2015-08-02 17:20:31] Obdajr: yeah the best I had for goons was fire whirl falcon hit [2015-08-02 17:20:34] Obdajr: and hope not to die [2015-08-03 17:08:51] Redslash: Grind strat turned out great. Kept Marle in for Krakkers, so first half of the Ruminators could be Firewhirl'd (keep Tabansuit on, and less MP use) [2015-08-03 17:08:56] Redslash: Haven't found a great Zeal elixir yet, but hopefully tonight [2015-08-03 20:46:50] Obdajr: I think with the sun shades and no helmet on lucca you can just do the 100% zeal kill as omega flare does just over 4000 dmg [2015-08-03 20:47:27] Obdajr: haven't tried it yet though [2015-08-03 21:37:39] Redslash: Without Shades, no equipment on Lucca, and no helm on Magus, Omegaflare does >4k. I'm still swapping in Frog though, finding a Magus elixir is impossible X) [2015-08-03 21:45:33] Redslash: Problem with Frog though, is having his hp correct... Maybe have him attack Tubster and run =P [2015-08-03 22:25:49] Obdajr: gross [2015-08-03 22:34:07] Redslash: Haha [2015-08-05 2:44:37] Redslash: Without Sunshades, Magicseal is a good choice. Can still kill Lavos' arms before their Protective Seal move. Now to work on not getting Grandstone, I notice level 40 is required to survive it... [2015-08-05 11:45:34] Obdajr: I imagine you can just manipulate the whole fight so that he doesn't use it, loading in truce canyon [2015-08-05 12:11:05] Xenraedium: i feel bad for asking this, but it seems i joined the group in the midst of routing for this category, so i am a bit lost on what all is happening. is there a written draft of this i can reference, or perhaps some .smvs? i apologize if this is inconvenient, i can try to catch myself up in some other way if it would be easier. [2015-08-05 12:18:36] Redslash: Ah, no worries dude. I just about have a draft ready (will upload soon). There's an smv that shows getting the Back-In-Time endings (just the movement, no Lavos fights), one sec... [2015-08-05 12:23:11] Redslash: Looks like this~ http://goo.gl/UaO5fK (Snes9x 1.51rr) [2015-08-05 13:23:38] Xenraedium: this already looks much more fun than the all endings route i remember seeing. doesn't the back in time glitch itself require a lot of saving/reloading? i actually don't know very much about it. [2015-08-05 13:26:01] Redslash: Yep, here's the BiT setup https://goo.gl/iuOSyz Can be done in 14 saves [2015-08-05 13:30:05] Xenraedium: this looks so much like menu fadeout, but instead of bringing up the menu and exiting repeatedly, it's saving/reloading. interesting. this does not look very difficult to pull off, but is there a timing to when to bring up the menu? [2015-08-05 13:30:53] DrunkenDraconian: it's super easy [2015-08-05 13:33:50] Xenraedium: that is reassuring, i'll give it a try sometime down the line. i also really appreciate the .smvs, red, those are very useful. [2015-08-05 13:35:57] DrunkenDraconian: and if you mess up you just try again [2015-08-05 13:37:40] Xenraedium: simple enough. ever since i learned of lavos shell skip, i've been worried that anything new i hear of is going to be difficult to do or really confusing. [2015-08-05 13:38:21] DrunkenDraconian: LSS is the pinacle of hard for CT IMO [2015-08-05 13:39:38] Xenraedium: i still have yet to learn it, i dabbled in it a while ago but i never did it or learned much. [2015-08-05 13:40:04] DrunkenDraconian: perhaps this Crono Marle Lavos fight might be tough [2015-08-05 13:41:04] Xenraedium: for the ng+ ending, i presume? [2015-08-05 13:41:09] Xenraedium: or is it for something else? [2015-08-05 13:41:16] DrunkenDraconian: yeah [2015-08-05 13:41:48] Xenraedium: oh, yes, i imagine you aren't very high-leveled at that point and not having a third party member is troublesome [2015-08-05 13:44:35] Xenraedium: i also imagine that using the strats from the ng+ category wouldn't work nearly as well, though perhaps prismspecs would still be of use? since that does help out with dealing damage. [2015-08-05 13:46:56] Xenraedium: i don't know if the same equipment from the ng+ category would be just as useful, it seems solid but the high level could also contribute to it seeming good. [2015-08-05 13:47:06] Xenraedium: i'm not sure how to word what i'm thinking, i'm sorry. [2015-08-05 13:50:42] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, not sure myself. I'm eagerly awaiting the first draft myself ;) [2015-08-05 13:52:15] Xenraedium: of course, i'm sure there's a much better laid-out plan than what i'm trying to conjure here, i am excited to see this. [2015-08-05 14:02:12] Redslash: Ok! here's what we've got so far https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WVHLPmfcyNP_1ziyJhX1I9Sawmk4MJmqxiuEPwqaMX4/edit [2015-08-05 14:02:51] Redslash: (dang Google URL shortener isn't loading... lol) [2015-08-05 14:05:22] Redslash: I thought we'd need Sunshades at least, but the MagicSeal comes in pretty handy for NG+ Lavos. And by de-equipping a bunch, Omen bosses play out close to normal old 100% [2015-08-05 14:07:57] Xenraedium: this is far different than what i thought it would be, but i think it's really exciting regardless. i was wondering if there would be a grinding session on death peak and i see there is, at least it's not too long. [2015-08-05 14:09:24] Redslash: I wanted to avoid it, but that same amount of grinding would have to transfer to the Ruminators, just because of Crono's level [2015-08-05 14:09:58] Redslash: ... I think. Uh-oh, he could probably be lower level =) [2015-08-05 14:10:21] Xenraedium: oh? how do you figure that? [2015-08-05 14:14:02] Redslash: I don't recall being in danger really, though getting damage in fast enough is certainly crucial... He could even have 2 less max MP [2015-08-05 14:16:31] Redslash: At the end of the final phase I'm going 3 Iceswords (12mp), 2 Luminaires (20mp), then Hyperether. But I had 78 max when 76 would do~ [2015-08-05 14:17:42] Redslash: I'll record this fight real quick.. [2015-08-05 14:18:03] Xenraedium: are you recording an entire run of this, by chance? [2015-08-05 14:19:25] Redslash: Been trying to all week, keep thinking of more stuff to skip X) [2015-08-05 14:20:23] Xenraedium: you are incredible, i wish i had the time and motivation to do something like this. [2015-08-05 14:26:16] Redslash: Tbh I was burnt out on CT for a while, but this is pretty new and different [2015-08-05 14:26:51 | Edited 14:27:02] Redslash: Like, I think it's been years since I've actually fought the Core, haha [2015-08-05 14:27:32] Xenraedium: i also burnt myself out when i started looking at assembly, i tend to push myself too far too quickly, but seeing this route and all the work being done on it is very motivating. [2015-08-05 14:27:55] Xenraedium: overall, even if it is a long run, it looks like it's fun and it wouldn't be boring at all. [2015-08-05 15:09:46] Redslash: Here's a NG+ Lavos (no shell) https://goo.gl/nKq8WM [2015-08-05 15:15:38] Redslash: I would love to get more comfortable with assembly, but, yeah, motivation for that is lacking atm. I find collecting data enjoyable though, there's always lots [2015-08-05 15:16:39] Redslash: Sometime, I think it'd be fun to start an actual CT speedrun wiki, on the Wikidot page~ [2015-08-05 15:16:46] Xenraedium: yeah, data collection is a lot of fun. snes assembly feels like i can follow it sometimes, and then i'm completely thrown off and don't understand what's going on. it's absolutely fantastic when i am able to follow it, though. [2015-08-05 15:17:23] Xenraedium: that would be good, what kind of stuff would it contain, exactly? aside from guides and that sort of thing. [2015-08-05 15:25:35] Redslash: It'd be a chance to really go in-depth and share what we know. Could also discuss how and why the routes came to be, and back it up [2015-08-05 15:25:52] Redslash: Drawing inspiration from the Super Metroid wiki~ http://deanyd.net/sm/ [2015-08-05 15:28:24] Xenraedium: oh yeah, this would be really neat. having something this comprehensive for this game would be helpful for anyone who wants to learn or know more, and it would be helpful for us to have everything in one spot and be able to reference it whenever we need to. [2015-08-05 19:01:07] Obdajr: alright reading over the word doc, its pretty much what I have as well! good stuff man very detailed [2015-08-05 19:03:33] Obdajr: frog attack tubster and run is to set up the zeal kill? [2015-08-05 19:07:34] Redslash: Yep, then you have to heal him back some [2015-08-05 19:08:48] Redslash: And thank you. I'm playing through catching a few things I missed, notably when to equip Robo Hastehelm, gotta recheck that [2015-08-05 19:10:14] Obdajr: im surprised how gosh darn complicated this route has become in like 10 days [2015-08-05 19:10:52] Redslash: Yeah, ha ha [2015-08-05 19:12:16] Redslash: Actually, I'm looking at cutting out 10 Krakker fights (just learn Darkbomb)... Crono 36, Marle 35, pretty much confirmed absolute minimum [2015-08-05 19:13:26] Redslash: Even Lucca's pushing it, lol. 4008, 3999 damage to Zeal... [2015-08-05 19:32:38 | Edited 19:34:09] Redslash: Best part of skipping so much is that testing route ideas is faster~ [2015-08-05 19:36:09] Obdajr: wow nice [2015-08-05 19:36:16] Obdajr: no fun allowed lol [2015-08-05 19:36:40] ElGranJerry: ^ [2015-08-05 19:40:18] Redslash: Lol... what we need after all this, is a true "Best Ending" RTA (from New Game, to Crono & Marle Dev Ending) [2015-08-05 19:41:39] Redslash: Don't even watch Moonlight Parade, just reset when NG+ unlocks (black screen after Core kill) [2015-08-05 20:58:08] Obdajr: oh I had one of the requirements set as "you have to complete and watch all of the endings [2015-08-05 20:58:34] Obdajr: otherwise you just reset after killing lavos a bunch and that's silly [2015-08-05 21:04:27] Obdajr: oh nevermind I get it now [2015-08-05 21:08:40] Redslash: Yeah my bad =) [2015-08-05 21:12:22] Redslash: I wonder if Best Ending could be sub-5... [2015-08-05 21:50:45] Xenraedium: i already shared this with red just for a quick look-over, but i've started routing all bosses and i got up to the end of time today. it's a bit rough and there's some testing to do, but it has worked out so far. if anyone has any ideas for improvement, please let me know. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aahz1nPgFxrtry4M1_assWGcEoqdE4yq9Gf8R1bZZpQ/edit?usp=sharing [2015-08-05 22:38:23 | Edited 22:38:45] Redslash: I'm excited to get into this, once All Endings cools down a bit. I'm already interested in whether it'll be 100% without boss skips, or if it could be a "boss hunt," skipping some of the post-boss sidequest content. I like both possibilities... [2015-08-06 11:01:34] DrunkenDraconian: i'm wondering if there is any actual way to kill Cyrus' Ghost [2015-08-06 11:41:46] Obdajr: that would be neat [2015-08-06 11:56:30] Puwexil: he has 2000 HP - would it be possible to use lifeline to elixir glitch multiple times until his HP overflows? [2015-08-06 13:25:56 | Edited 13:26:16] Redslash: Dang it, Cyrus does use boss music... Can't heal enemies beyond their max HP, unfortunately. The instakill happens before HP is actually updated, or something [2015-08-06 13:30:13] Redslash: Technically, hitting Cyrus 5 times calls the "player wins" AI action, used by many bosses to auto-kill remaining parts when the main part dies... [2015-08-06 13:36:10] Redslash: Wouldn't hurt to play around with Greendream, interesting things sometimes happen (see Spekkio) [2015-08-06 13:45:57] Redslash: Still gotta try that with Aliens, actually =0 [2015-08-06 14:19:13] Redslash: Noooo they don't attack if there's one char alive... completely harmless, wow [2015-08-06 16:03:49] Xenraedium: i had forgotten about cyrus being a boss at all, actually. i assumed hero's grave simply didn't count, so this is interesting. i am not worried about it at the moment since that is very far down the line, but it would be good to check out the other things mentioned at some point. [2015-08-06 18:44:50] Redslash: Oh hey, what about... the Golem? =) [2015-08-06 18:48:40] Redslash: Omg Golemboss is 1400hp short of elixir-glitchable [2015-08-06 18:50:04] Redslash: ... guess he couldn't kill you anyway [2015-08-06 18:54:24] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, cyrus' ghost is mostly a cutscene, you can't die if i remember right.... I did kill golem for all bosses though [2015-08-06 18:55:38] Redslash: You can die on Cyrus, if you just stand there~ [2015-08-06 19:01:27] DrunkenDraconian: my bad, skipped him every time for the most part [2015-08-06 21:02:17] eLmaGus: man as a kid [2015-08-06 21:02:22] eLmaGus: i tried so hard to kill cyrus ghost [2015-08-06 21:20:13] Redslash: I'd like to know more about what Black Hole can do... too bad it's so many TP to learn [2015-08-06 21:22:24] Redslash: I remember trying to use it on everything, lol [2015-08-06 21:23:20 | Edited 21:23:30] Redslash: And it failed too much to really be satisfying [2015-08-06 21:24:50] Obdajr: next new glitch: black hole cyrus after using an elixir on him to unlock the hidden hard mode mod [2015-08-06 21:40:28] Redslash: Lol... dude there's a "New World" hidden somewhere... just gotta unlock the 3rd EoT bucket [2015-08-06 22:02:49] Obdajr: 15 new forms of spekkio [2015-08-06 22:02:56] Obdajr: serge is last boss [2015-08-06 22:19:06] Redslash: Confirmed [2015-08-06 22:38:20] Redslash: Dangit I'll never finish this recording... if you S/A during the transition to OP Lavos (make sure you have Frog+Greendream)... then when you reload later you save 38 seconds (skip 50-sec cutscene) [2015-08-06 22:46:50] Obdajr: oh right that's neat [2015-08-06 22:46:57] Obdajr: 12 seconds for frog to revive and die again? [2015-08-06 22:53:01] Redslash: Yeah [2015-08-06 22:58:51] Redslash: Reason I'm trying to optimize it so much now, is the Omen completion time is approaching that of 100% X) [2015-08-06 22:59:31] Redslash: Was way over before, wonder how close it is now (felt good to break 1mil frames) [2015-08-06 23:41:57] Redslash: Yea it'll be close~ I'll finish tomorrow [2015-08-07 17:47:59] Redslash: I may even switch over fully to emulator, I'm comfortable with it and I love having the frame count... [2015-08-07 18:01:24] Redslash: What deters me though, is I'm really aware of all the ways to cheat now X) I never suspect anyone of it, and I know everyone trusts me too, but I can't help wondering how one would "cover all the bases" proof-wise... just impossible I guess [2015-08-07 18:02:36] Puwexil: yea, live RAM watching on an emu would be a pretty hard thing to catch [2015-08-07 18:19:24] Redslash: Yeah... and anyway, running at a GDQ is a pretty sweet goal. Not gonna see emulated runs there, so [2015-08-07 18:22:22] Redslash: *or a GDQ-like [2015-08-07 18:50:35] Redslash: Darn, Frog taking 2 attacks from OP Lavos throws off rng [2015-08-07 19:00:22] Redslash: Blackbird fight is a 1PC fight, therefore A6 (where OP Lavos puts you) is a 1-frame RNG window. Pretty nice...! [2015-08-07 19:11:37 | Edited 19:17:02] Redslash: Oh... menu glitch, save, unequip Greendream, exit menu. Running into this problem saved another 10 seconds [2015-08-08 1:41:46] Redslash: Barely sub-1M (4:37) for the Beyond Time core kill; now starting NG+ at 6:18. Those endings really add up [2015-08-08 2:28:13 | Edited 2:30:08] Redslash: And, final time 6:56:16 http://goo.gl/4w5LzO (I'll fix route doc tomorrow) [2015-08-08 12:49:11] Redslash: Gah would've been 6:55:59 with candy skip [2015-08-08 20:27:33] Obdajr: ill try to do a run tomorrow (ff14 is kinda sucking my soul away at the moment) [2015-08-08 21:03:03] Redslash: Awesome... I'd like to try a run, but I just can't see myself being able to perform that long, lol... even 100% is doubtful X) [2015-08-08 21:19:48] ElGranJerry: I am gonna do all endings. Been practicing a bit but dont wanna go all in without a proved route :p [2015-08-08 21:20:36] ElGranJerry: Would kinda feel likr my 1st 100% runs that took 8+ hours and were awful [2015-08-08 21:41:09] Redslash: Lucca was somehow higher level vs Zeal this time, than in my first test of the route. So that's promising. Guess she died somewhere before [2015-08-08 21:50:58] Redslash: The Omen is honestly difficult, and probably needs more work. I gave most of my attention to the final fight [2015-08-08 21:51:17] Obdajr: as a first attempt, im just going to over level and kill zeal with brute force [2015-08-08 21:51:23] Obdajr: if it doesn't work the first time [2015-08-08 21:51:40] Obdajr: just to get a run down with the new tricks [2015-08-08 21:52:12] Obdajr: need lots of practice that I don't have the time for right now [2015-08-08 21:54:33] Redslash: Right on, right on. Solid plan [2015-08-08 21:55:23] Redslash: But hopefully it won't be too long before someone takes the "level 36 challenge" ; ) [2015-08-08 21:55:59] Obdajr: yeah I mean it shouldn't be too bad, I just have to redo a lot of my emulator savestates and stuff [2015-08-08 21:56:12] Obdajr: and get some actual practice in [2015-08-09 12:40:38] Redslash: Oh yeah. After subtracting BiT setup and the 2 pre-Omen endings, we're looking at a 4:05 Zeal kill (4:18 NG+ unlock). NG+ is 20 min, so sub-5 Best Ending~ [2015-08-09 12:44:50] Redslash: Hmm, maybe "Low Level NG+" could be a thing [2015-08-09 12:57:32] Redslash: Level can't go much lower so it wouldn't be too painful to create the file... just need Rainbow, lots of tab charms [2015-08-09 13:01:48] Redslash: Oh no. I was thinking you'd be limited to 1 playthrough for collecting tabs (cuz otherwise you'd gain more levels)... but if you did actual Low Level strats, you could squeeze in many... X) [2015-08-09 13:04:04 | Edited 13:04:50] Redslash: Could even be ridiculous by keeping Crono & Marle low, leveling others to 99 to farm Pink Nu... or nah. [2015-08-09 16:27:04] Redslash: Oh! Nvm, you keep the Wallet [2015-08-09 16:34:19] Redslash: So Low Level is way easier now... I was excited to have Firewhirl on Nagaettes, didn't even think about D.Tank... (or beyond) [2015-08-10 12:57:07] Redslash: Grats Obda on the 8:23! =) All Endings hype! [2015-08-10 18:24:35] Obdajr: thanks, not to cut an hour easily [2015-08-10 18:24:38] Obdajr: now* [2015-08-10 18:24:41] Obdajr: =D [2015-08-10 18:59:11] Redslash: Woohoo! [2015-08-10 19:00:41] Redslash: You know, I never considered the Gold or even Silver Earring? I wonder what uses it'd have [2015-08-10 19:03:29] Redslash: (So used to not having those around, completely forgot em) [2015-08-10 19:43:31] Redslash: So, starting Low Level, hopefully it'll turn out cool... Already have some bad ideas for BT (grind 22 Rolyriders for Rollo/Drillkick) [2015-08-14 15:36:25] Xenraedium: good to know i haven't missed much over the past week. i updated the all bosses route, up to magus' castle, with the work i was able to do between long hours at work. the rng mirrors the any% route after masamune, which was a complete accident, but one i am happy with for now. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aahz1nPgFxrtry4M1_assWGcEoqdE4yq9Gf8R1bZZpQ/edit?usp=sharing [2015-08-14 15:37:25] Xenraedium: i still have to test some ideas and recheck a few things, but i'll find the time to do that sometime this weekend, i'm sure. [2015-08-14 15:38:09] Xenraedium: also, obda, i will have to watch your all endings run, it sounds like it was quite fun and i'm excited to see how it turned out. [2015-08-14 15:42:30] DrunkenDraconian: sweet, I'll see if I can dig up my old yackra script. It de-equipped her and had her use flame toss until dead. [2015-08-14 15:43:20] DrunkenDraconian: you can also set up SA and put your party inside yackra for the fight so he can't counter ;) [2015-08-14 15:44:10] Xenraedium: i did not know that! that is something i'll have to check out, and i'd love to see that script if you can find it. [2015-08-14 16:11:37] Obdajr: yeah all endings was fun, I might do it again this weekend [2015-08-16 1:20:10] Redslash: Low Level update: in Magus Castle and it's not too unweildly yet... I wonder if it could be sub-3'd =0 [2015-08-16 1:20:31] Redslash: (with LSS ofc) [2015-08-16 2:20:39] eLmaGus: easy [2015-08-16 2:42:17] Redslash: Got the confirm from Elmagus. We're going for it [2015-08-16 2:47:54 | Edited 2:48:53] Redslash: This's going on your Twitch résumé [2015-08-16 3:01:56] eLmaGus: lol [2015-08-16 3:04:20] eLmaGus: are you crashing into lavos btw [2015-08-16 3:04:22] eLmaGus: in low level [2015-08-16 3:05:16] eLmaGus: im not sure how long it took to get epoch flying, but in low level i would imagine the shell gauntlet to be a pain [2015-08-16 3:05:24] eLmaGus: if no LSS of course [2015-08-16 3:53:27 | Edited 3:53:41] Redslash: We'll LSS, don't worry. I'll be grinding English Any% soon as well =) [2015-08-19 17:44:35] Redslash: Spikevegeta's learning Chrono Cross, what! [2015-08-19 17:45:15] Xenraedium: that's pretty cool to hear, i have an interest in learning it as well but not for a long, long time. i'm glad so many people are picking up fun speedgames. [2015-08-19 17:47:17] Puwexil: he started learning it maybe 2 years ago too, think he just got to lynx before losing interest [2015-08-19 17:47:28] Puwexil: more CC runners would be cool [2015-08-19 17:48:24] Xenraedium: agreed. i have a copy of it somewhere in my house but i would have to go digging, i have been yearning to do a casual playthrough of it again recently. [2015-08-19 17:50:33] Redslash: I was talking with Jia a while back about trying JP, there are weird differences like the post-battle screen can be closed very quickly [2015-08-19 17:53:19] Redslash: My brother loves CC, he was playing it a few days ago~ Though he started a CT playthrough today =3 [2015-08-19 17:54:34] Xenraedium: has he played ct before? or is he new to it? [2015-08-19 18:01:13] Redslash: He knows the game, probably been a while tho. He's interested in.. maybe.. running it ~ [2015-08-19 18:01:41] Redslash: I'll be streaming from his place, btw =) [2015-08-19 18:03:20] Xenraedium: that's pretty cool, it's always good to have people interested. i should probably derust any% since it's been nearly two months, but i am having way more fun routing this anyway, and i am looking forward to running it as well. [2015-08-19 18:08:45] Xenraedium: it is a bit strange to me how close this is to any% so far, even with the level advantages and extra bosses. i am hoping later optimization changes that at least a little bit. i know the real changes are coming once i get to zeal, but i'm kind of finicky, i suppose. [2015-08-19 18:09:39] Xenraedium: at the same time, however, if bits of the route from any% fit, then i shouldn't try to make it more complicated! [2015-08-19 18:15:35] Redslash: I'd like to say Low Level is close to Any% (kinda recalling my JP experience, with weaker attacks), but it'll have its quirks certainly [2015-08-19 18:17:18] Xenraedium: it's always good for routes to have some individuality, or something like that. keeps it fresh! [2015-08-19 18:19:34] Redslash: Absolutely. Well I was I hoping it'd be more different X) At least, I guess I'll be walking past Fritz without saving him... save or kill Fritz, guys [2015-08-19 18:20:19] Xenraedium: i always saved him, but for the sake of time, well, sacrifices have to be made. [2015-08-19 18:24:14] Redslash: I considered it for the 10,000G (10 Midether reward), but I don't think it's necessary... You can buy RedKatana from him or Melchior, prob stick with Melchior [2015-08-19 18:25:54] Xenraedium: melchior is more important to the timeline, anyway. and a trustworthy guy to boot. [2015-08-19 18:27:10] Xenraedium: whenever i casually play through this game, i try to make all the "right" choices, even if they have no/barely any effect on the game itself. i still feel a little funny trying to get the guilty verdict during the trial when i run this, as embarassing as that probably is. [2015-08-19 18:30:24] Redslash: Gotta play J then =0 Innocent boys! [2015-08-19 18:31:42] Redslash: All I know is, you don't wanna fight Heckran on J (without the US de-equip)... that's a bad time [2015-08-19 18:34:15] Xenraedium: yeah, that's why i'm routing this on english, the de-equip glitch working so differently would be so difficult to route. but maybe someday it'll get tackled. i don't know if it would save much time, considering any% between english and j are very close, if i recall correctly. [2015-08-19 21:21:28] Xenraedium: i know i tweeted this just now, but for the group, i have all bosses routed up to zeal. i'll likely start streaming routing from this point forward, so hopefully as soon as this weekend i'll continue working on this. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aahz1nPgFxrtry4M1_assWGcEoqdE4yq9Gf8R1bZZpQ/edit?usp=sharing [2015-08-20 7:22:27] Obdajr: oh hey for the dev ending, what are the necessary npcs to talk to? [2015-08-20 21:43:25 | Edited 21:46:02] Redslash: Ah yo. I start with Dalton (rightmost pillar), then Toma (topmost), hold left to Magus statue, then 4 bottom pillars: Atropos, skeleton, future kid, Flea [2015-08-21 9:46:47] Redslash: Whoops, definitely Earthbound kid... blocks your way to Beast Nest... [2015-08-23 17:54:02] Obdajr: some famous people are plying ct with 13000 viewers and it's making my eyes bleed a bit [2015-08-23 20:10:29] DrunkenDraconian: I'll donate $$$ to anyone who makes a sweet CT randomizer [2015-08-23 20:10:36 | Edited 20:11:00] DrunkenDraconian: just say'n [2015-08-23 20:11:18] Xenraedium: that would be such a mess but so much fun [2015-08-23 20:11:31] Xenraedium: i wish i knew how to do something like that because i would love to, haha. [2015-08-23 20:12:37] DrunkenDraconian: yeah, I was thinking just shuffle each character's magic set, and some item locations [2015-08-23 20:12:47] DrunkenDraconian: maybe bosses if you can get creative [2015-08-23 20:47:55] ElGranJerry: that'd be hype [2015-08-24 4:24:59] eLmaGus: well people have created new games out of the CT rom so i reckon it should be easily possible to make a randomizer [2015-08-24 20:44:18] Redslash: If you get caught by 2nd guard, I finally scripted that =P http://pastebin.com/HYbtZMRf [2015-08-24 20:53:05 | Edited 20:58:59] Redslash: I was looking at Reptite Lair backup load too. If you trigger Weevils a certain way, they take a long time to attack Crono (you do not want them to attack). Also good to set Ayla's menu to item [2015-08-24 20:55:37] ElGranJerry: based redslash [2015-08-24 21:25:17] Redslash: Oh, I almost checked out Discord today. Idk if there's game-specific channels on the "Speedrunning server" (yet), but might be neat [2015-08-25 5:16:22] eLmaGus: #rpg has already a thing on there [2015-08-25 5:16:27] eLmaGus: it basically combined with #finalfantasy [2015-08-25 5:16:30] eLmaGus: but eh [2015-08-25 7:39:32] ElGranJerry: It uses less resources than skype, I've been using it to talk while playing some mmos and my laptop doesn't burn like with skype [2015-08-25 7:40:00] ElGranJerry: other than that it's skype 2 [2015-08-25 9:57:41] Redslash: I never noticed that even "LV" and "HP" have different font on J... English font looks sorta rushed, now that I'm scrutinizing it... =P [2015-08-25 13:47:50] Ottavino: thanks for the 2nd guard caught backup strat Red! [2015-08-25 13:49:07] Ottavino: do you have your fastest setup for EoT/SA? i'm still using the one with the 2 pauses [2015-08-25 14:02:48] Ottavino: nevermind, found it at june 11th [2015-08-25 15:33:18] Redslash: Ah, with all the buzz about video tutorials lately, I'm feeling inspired to put together... a screenshot tutorial X) [2015-08-25 21:14:33] Xenraedium: i can't believe i finished the all bosses route draft before the month ended, i thought this was going to take at least a few more weeks. i feel pretty good about the work i did, even though just about everything after the ocean palace was a bit of a disaster, but it will be fixed in time. [2015-08-25 21:15:11] Xenraedium: it is nice to have a continuous project, though. there will always be work needed on it, especially since it's so new, and i'm looking forward to see how it changes over time. [2015-08-25 21:20:32] ElGranJerry: Amazing :) Congrats on it [2015-08-25 22:15:59 | Edited 22:19:14] Redslash: Very fun reading through this. Not reviving Crono is probably the biggest surprise, I love the Reunion ending. But apart from that... I think because it's so new, and it reads like a carefully documented [TAS] playthrough to me... oddly satisfying =) [2015-08-25 22:33:46 | Edited 22:35:53] Xenraedium: thank you both. i felt that i wanted to document every change in the battle value because i know it would help me learn and understand what's going on, and i think it would be able to help others, too. it's good to know in general, anyway. it's still pretty unorganized but i'm happy to hear that it's satisfying to some extent. [2015-08-26 15:16:03] Ottavino: i'm relearning the game with optimal config (swap A and X), it's hard... :) [2015-08-26 15:38:18] eLmaGus: i tried that its interesting [2015-08-26 15:38:21] eLmaGus: and takes a while to get used to [2015-08-26 18:14:09] DrunkenDraconian: #savetheAbutton [2015-08-26 20:48:02] Redslash: Awesome, Otta! [2015-08-26 23:00:11 | Edited 23:00:32] Redslash: Got up to LSS in practice today, and now playing around with it... I'm thinking tomorrow I should analyze how P3 travels to the bucket, might be a lead in there [2015-08-26 23:31:45] *** ottavino added Millnium *** [2015-08-26 23:34:16] Ottavino: welcome Millnium [2015-08-26 23:34:30] Millnium: yo, thank you [2015-08-26 23:52:21] Redslash: Hello, welcome [2015-08-26 23:53:39] Millnium: thanks, ill be lurking and soaking up w/e info i can get until i actually have time to learn the game on emu [2015-08-27 8:49:55] Xenraedium: hey, welcome, i'm still kind of new myself but i'm willing to help if you have questions and i think everyone else is, too. [2015-08-27 13:20:14] Redslash: Absolutely =) I'm just working a bit on Shell Skip atm, so I may post misc findings.. [2015-08-27 13:43:33 | Edited 13:48:44] Redslash: The lowest Y-pos you can have when interacting with the 1999 bucket (13B), is actually 1 higher from aligning with the heal bucket (13C), that's handy [2015-08-27 19:49:09] *** ottavino added Grondious60 *** [2015-08-28 12:33:11] Redslash: Ah yo, welcome Grondious [2015-08-28 12:33:37] Grondious60: Hey! Tyvm :D [2015-08-28 12:34:36] Grondious60: I appreciate the invite :) [2015-08-28 12:43:09] Redslash: Good to have you aboard =) [2015-08-28 12:44:55] Grondious60: I just started speedrunning chrono trigger about 2-3 weeks ago and have been having a ton of fun with it, and the people in this community have been so welcoming and helpful :) [2015-08-28 14:36:36] ElGranJerry: Welcome :) [2015-08-28 14:37:06] ElGranJerry: Lots of new peeps picking up the game it seems. Need to start again doing some hype races [2015-08-28 17:09:57] Obdajr: welcome! [2015-08-28 19:22:50] Grondious60: Thank you everyone :) And yeah, I still have a lot to learn before I can complete a full run but I would definitely be hype if I got to participate in some races someday [2015-08-29 0:50:01] Redslash: I'd be up for just racing various goals (never raced in my life, lol) [2015-08-29 1:44:28 | Edited 1:45:15] Redslash: Also, I actually tried Discord and joined the public r/Speedrunning server (0SarUu3yU9BgVEh5)... Seems you can access all the logs from before you joined, I love that [2015-08-29 2:04:35] Redslash: Making servers for all kinds of purposes seems fun, I'll definitely be playing with it [2015-08-29 2:21:02] Redslash: And oh yeah, I made the overlay more stylin' http://pastebin.com/dA5WGuyg (Lua script for Snes9x 1.51-rr) The displays use the CT font now, haha. But, the hitboxes still need work [2015-08-29 2:25:22 | Edited 2:27:48] Redslash: I'm inclined to remove them, and when I make a screenshot tutorial just show them there. They're not majorly useful to have generated in realtime [2015-08-29 12:07:31] Xenraedium: i am late to the welcoming thing that happened earlier, but it's still good to have you here, grondious. also, i am in agreement that races would be fun, even for different goals. and, finally, red, this is a really cool script, i'm playing around with it now and i think it's great. the hitboxes are a bit strange but it doesn't bother me or confuse me that much. [2015-08-29 13:23:28] Obdajr: so letting lavos attack frog twice (because of green dream) seems to screw up the turret fight [2015-08-29 13:23:37] Obdajr: is there a solution for that? [2015-08-29 13:28:31] Redslash: My solution was to save with GD on, then take GD off before exiting menu, fight OP Lavos without it [2015-08-29 13:29:41] Obdajr: ohh [2015-08-29 13:29:47] Obdajr: yeah ok that's easy enough [2015-08-29 14:12:15] Redslash: Also thanks Xen. I'm not sure how to improve the hitboxes.. often the direction/movement value of the sprite matters (Bird Skip trigger is a actually a downward-facing sprite, else it'd be impossible), but, sometimes it's just ignored [2015-08-29 14:16:56 | Edited 14:17:36] Redslash: At least it seems that way. Your hitbox extending forward in the direction you move is important. Like when you walk past sprites, you can get much closer to them (without colliding/triggering) than you can when walking directly at them [2015-08-29 14:19:17] Redslash: Kinda like "don't make eye contact" X) [2015-08-29 14:29:53] Redslash: But ye, I just trial-and-error'd it til I found a decent model. I don't know the addresses to make the real deal [2015-08-29 14:33:53] Xenraedium: that's really interesting how that works, i didn't know how hitboxes really worked in this game, other than bird skip. i'm sure you'll be able to find a way to improve it (like finding those addresses you need), though as it is now i think you did really well with what you had. [2015-08-29 14:40:19] Redslash: Thanks man =) [2015-08-29 14:44:16] Redslash: I need to improve input display as well. When a button is tapped it's red, and released it's blue and fades to black, showing how recently it was pressed. When a button is held, it warms from red to yellow, then when released instead of the same blue->black it should start from a shade of purple, I feel [2015-08-29 14:45:51 | Edited 14:47:05] Redslash: To communicate this button was not just pressed but held, now it's not. Would benefit the screenshots [2015-08-29 14:47:46] Xenraedium: right, i see what you mean. i think that might be a better design choice, but i am definitely not an expert on that. you should try it out and see how it looks, maybe? perhaps the more colorful, the better, at least in terms of differentiating inputs. [2015-08-29 14:51:31] Redslash: I've also been curious if other speedgames would enjoy a duration-oriented input display. I've only ever seen an on/off implementation [2015-08-29 14:52:58] Xenraedium: i could see that being useful for other games, especially ones that require really precise or strange combinations of inputs to do certain tricks/movement. [2015-08-29 15:01:36] Redslash: Hoping that in realtime it'd cut down how much one must replay the video X) Actually though, I made this for playing back SMVs especially! This script had to parse SMV files directly in order to display movie inputs, lol. I'm happy it worked~ [2015-08-29 15:05:21] Obdajr: hey is the AE google doc fairly updated? [2015-08-29 15:05:25] Xenraedium: that's awesome that you made it work! i hope sometime soon i can contribute cool stuff like this to the game, like in terms of being able to help people learn or explain things, you and obda and others seem to always be on top of that, like with tutorials and scripts and such. [2015-08-29 15:09:39] Redslash: @Obda: Yessir. I think it should be [2015-08-29 15:09:40] Obdajr: for the newgame+ lavos fight, are you using the life spell or revives with crono? [2015-08-29 15:11:22] Redslash: Life [2015-08-29 15:12:14] Redslash: Gonna go for Lv36? =0 [2015-08-29 15:17:01] Redslash: Confuse advances the RNG by 5, which was necessary finishing off "Inner Lavos" (penultimate form).... I'd like to document all the moves [2015-08-29 15:34:20] Redslash: Xen, I feel the same way =) Obda and Jerry's tutorials have been an excellent asset to folks picking up the game. The stuff I've contributed is too technical, lmao. I'm pursuing a way to present my findings in a more practical and easier to digest manner, I think screenshots are gonna be it [2015-08-29 15:34:51] Obdajr: hey if I can practice the fight enough, its a lot of time to save by not having to grind [2015-08-29 15:37:31] Xenraedium: i completely understand, the things i'm working on now are also very technical, and the way i wrote my all bosses route is probably somewhat difficult to read. screenshots are always helpful, too, and appreciated, at least i think so. i hope i can figure out how to make my stuff easier to digest as well, haha. [2015-08-29 15:37:58] Obdajr: alright guys new idea: power point presentations [2015-08-29 15:38:27] Xenraedium: i am having flashbacks to college now. :[ [2015-08-29 15:41:22] Redslash: Lol Obda... I do have notes in Powerpoint when I stream (also put them on stream once or twice..) [2015-08-29 15:43:31] Redslash: I started going with paper tho recently [2015-08-29 15:44:42] Xenraedium: i've been using notepad for everything recently and i keep thinking it's probably not very efficient, but i have yet to change... [2015-08-29 15:52:03 | Edited 15:53:06] Redslash: Having small manageable "pages" is pretty nice... large color-coded font also doesn't hurt [2015-08-29 15:53:38] Obdajr: I use Microsoft word so I can box, bold and colour things [2015-08-29 15:55:09] Xenraedium: i'm thinking of moving to excel for most things, or google spreadsheets, rather. word would also work well. i need more color, definitely. [2015-08-29 15:59:43] Redslash: I love Excel/Calc, and Notepad++. Rarely use Word but I reckon it's powerful [2015-08-29 16:00:19] Obdajr: are you still killing th elizardactyles? [2015-08-29 16:00:31] Xenraedium: oh, notepad++, i nearly forgot about that. even that would be a marginal improvement over notepad. [2015-08-29 16:04:53] Redslash: Obda, nope. Run from em [2015-08-29 16:09:22] Redslash: That is one spot where I'm not sure of the party and the notes might be confused... [2015-08-29 16:12:58 | Edited 16:13:37] Redslash: Can't swap Magus in when you recruit him because extra dialogue at Time Egg... but he may be good in Giant's Claw for running away... then Robo-Marle-Magus to learn Icetackle on Death Peak before 1st Spawn [2015-08-29 16:15:14 | Edited 16:15:35] Redslash: Which is kind of optional... but if Lucca gets Sleep'd it's a backup for Firetackle [2015-08-29 16:22:03 | Edited 16:33:46] Redslash: Ohh wait, it may also be for Robo's level! (not optional!) Mash load before 1st Spawn is also very recommended [2015-08-29 16:39:06] Obdajr: yeah robo needs about 200 exp to get to the right level [2015-08-29 16:39:15] Obdajr: from recruiting magus [2015-08-29 16:41:13] Obdajr: before I was doing your antipode idea and robo tackle (no magus) [2015-08-29 16:41:20] Obdajr: then equiping [2015-08-29 16:41:48] Obdajr: i.e. lucca / marle no equips boost the dmg [2015-08-29 16:42:46] Redslash: Whoa I don't remember that, sounds risky =) [2015-08-29 16:43:12] Redslash: Also I can't wait for All Endings at AGDQ [2015-08-29 16:43:16] Obdajr: haha [2015-08-29 16:43:35] Obdajr: mike would just shake his head at me [2015-08-29 16:44:43] Redslash: We'll just all run All Endings and it'll be the only cool category [2015-08-29 16:46:01] Obdajr: (cool) [2015-08-29 16:47:10] Redslash: I can't wait to start Any% attempts... still can't believe Jack killed it (what a god) [2015-08-29 16:51:09] Redslash: More I practice US LSS the more ridiculous it seems... it's still impossible! There is not gonna be a deterministic setup like there is on JP! But still someone has to do it. [2015-08-29 16:54:50] Redslash: I'm prepared to grind for a 2:2x on US, even with it being completely "chance" X) [2015-08-29 16:58:47] Obdajr: im excited [2015-08-29 17:00:04] Xenraedium: i may join you on that grind, along with the 50 other projects i seem to be doing at once...i can never focus on just one thing. it's all too exciting! [2015-08-29 17:04:58] Redslash: =0 Let's go, bro [2015-08-29 17:08:12] Redslash: 2:2x is way more possible on JP. But regardless of version, I'm interested in helping anyone going for this. [2015-08-29 17:09:00] Obdajr: gonna stream some AE end game practice [2015-08-29 17:09:01] Xenraedium: right, even if i can't get that or if i move onto something else, i at least want a good time. [2015-08-29 17:09:22] Xenraedium: neat, i'll probably watch after i grab some dinner. [2015-08-29 17:10:29] ElGranJerry: I'd love to do LSS on E but with the few time I get to do runs dont really want to leave it to "chance" [2015-08-29 17:10:43] ElGranJerry: But hopefully someday I will [2015-08-29 17:25:23] Redslash: I mean ok, what is the "chance"... it's 3x 2-frame windows, on top of 75% chance http://pastebin.com/pmLumV8u [2015-08-29 17:27:30] Redslash: Gaspar on 3 or 4, bucket on 9 or 10, 2300 (hold), 1999 on 2 or 3... then a 4-frame window [2015-08-29 17:29:58] Redslash: ("2-frame window" is even deceptive, cuz they are 4 frames repeating. If you miss it, you could accidentally get it in the next 4-frame cycle) [2015-08-29 17:32:25] Xenraedium: i tried looking into this a while ago and i realized i was way in over my head, even reading what you're saying now is making me question if a more proper setup could be found :[ but what we have is still better than just guessing at it. [2015-08-29 17:36:15 | Edited 17:37:37] Redslash: Yeah, it's pretty crazy, it's completely based on how many characters are in the text box. LSS might be trivial on the Spanish translation, who knows X) [2015-08-29 17:37:46] Xenraedium: that would certainly be something else if that was the case, but i didn't know it was based on how many characters in the text box, very strange but fascinating. [2015-08-29 17:40:06] Redslash: Actually Japanese has just barely not too many characters. Probably the perfect amount. A Chinese translation would have too few, rofl [2015-08-29 17:41:42] Redslash: (The setup I have on JP you can just hold A and get it =P) [2015-08-29 17:43:00] Xenraedium: if only it was that easy on english. or if you could also use a metronome for it, somehow, though that doesn't seem very viable just from seeing how many different ways it could go. [2015-08-29 17:44:35] Redslash: I'm not at all musically inclined, but if you could find a music cue, that'd prob be better than metronome... [2015-08-29 17:45:09] DrunkenDraconian: speedrunning is just like playing a song [2015-08-29 17:45:31] Xenraedium: i could give a crack at it sometime, i've been playing various intrustments since i was a child, so i guess that makes me musically inclined... [2015-08-29 17:46:06] Redslash: It's like learning a language, DD! And language is music... [2015-08-29 17:46:47] Xenraedium: that is a really good comparison, i like thinking of it in that way. [2015-08-29 17:50:06] Redslash: When's all of us on the couch at AGDQ. Just chit-chattin, 'bout CT, 'bout life [2015-08-29 17:50:43] Redslash: ALL of us, lmao [2015-08-29 17:51:26] Xenraedium: 2016, all endings. it would certainly give us plenty of time to chat about these things. [2015-08-29 17:52:27] Redslash: Yee... agreed =) [2015-08-29 17:53:22] DrunkenDraconian: Magus race would be super hype on the couch, just say'n [2015-08-29 17:54:23] Redslash: Ok Magus race?? I like this idea [2015-08-29 17:55:41] Xenraedium: i would like to take part in that, definitely. [2015-08-29 17:56:47] Redslash: Didn't I determine that JP Magus kinda matched up with US Magus? I gotta check that [2015-08-29 17:58:38] Redslash: Any% will never be in a GDQ when 100% is an incentive =3 Magus race guys! =0 [2015-08-29 17:59:44] Xenraedium: has there ever been a ct race in any gdq? if not, it would be good to have something new. [2015-08-29 17:59:49] Redslash: That's a weird GDQ submission when I think about it X) But it's justified! [2015-08-29 17:59:57] DrunkenDraconian: it's also sub 2h [2015-08-29 18:00:58] Xenraedium: i think it has a chance, or at least i hope it does. it sounds so fun! [2015-08-29 18:02:48] Redslash: Yo, I'm going. Running or not =) Locking it in! [2015-08-29 18:03:55] Xenraedium: i hope to make it, i would like to run it, too. i would have to get clearance with work again but they seemed nice about me taking a week off last time. [2015-08-29 18:04:56] DrunkenDraconian: If we are serious, as a comunity, I think the first step would be a monthly/weekly races to build hype and interest. [2015-08-29 18:05:23] Xenraedium: agreed, that would be a good idea, and probably necessary. [2015-08-29 18:05:51] DrunkenDraconian: and perhaps that screenshot guide ;) [2015-08-29 18:06:19] DrunkenDraconian: I can help with that too if you want. [2015-08-29 18:07:18] Redslash: I have friends in Maryland I wanna visit, they're probably an hour away from the venue... driving there is kinda ambitious (I'm in Seattle) but I'm actually considering it [2015-08-29 18:07:35] Redslash: Dangit DD. Help me bro =3 [2015-08-29 18:09:43] DrunkenDraconian: LSS did kinda kill any% a bit, but you can even use noob strats for magus runs and make it close to lowest possible time [2015-08-29 18:10:55] DrunkenDraconian: I'll try and work up a template see if we can't kick this off soon [2015-08-29 18:10:59] Xenraedium: yeah, running to magus seems like it would be fairly safe and kind of low pressure on everyone, especially with practice. [2015-08-29 18:11:31] DrunkenDraconian: and then they are hooked drugdealer eyes [2015-08-29 18:11:38] Redslash: Ok I was working on BT yesterday, for the case where you miss the 1st Dactyl Skip. It actually improves the BT RNG! [2015-08-29 18:12:42] Redslash: But ok Magus race, Magus race, HYPE! [2015-08-29 18:13:39] Xenraedium: i'm excited to do races leading up to agdq even if i wind up not running it there/going after all, especially since i've never actually participated in a race. [2015-08-29 18:14:53] Grondious60: Even I know how to do a Magus run! Hype! lol [2015-08-29 18:16:03] Xenraedium: that's good! it'll be more fun with more people participating in these races, i think. or at least it'll be good for beginners. [2015-08-29 18:16:31] Redslash: Hoype! Race errday, come to think of it [2015-08-29 18:16:44] Redslash: Or often =) [2015-08-29 18:16:47] DrunkenDraconian: there could be a rotation maybe? weekly races but monthly schedule [2015-08-29 18:17:16] Xenraedium: sounds like a good idea, hopefully work won't get in the way too much. [2015-08-29 18:17:19] DrunkenDraconian: you know 50 people would join an all ending race [2015-08-29 18:17:32] DrunkenDraconian: 4 would complete it lol [2015-08-29 18:18:02] Redslash: Noh way =0 [2015-08-29 18:18:30] Ottavino: so, when is the first weekly race? [2015-08-29 18:18:31 | Edited 18:19:00] Redslash: That many would join? I'll help them then [2015-08-29 18:19:51] Redslash: Hmm.... Fridays? ... I dunno [2015-08-29 18:20:03] DrunkenDraconian: Yeah weekendish [2015-08-29 18:20:26] Xenraedium: i would prefer weekends, as i am typically much more free around those times. [2015-08-29 18:20:27] Redslash: Weekendish ye [2015-08-29 18:21:02] DrunkenDraconian: mid-day sat/sun is common for races [2015-08-29 18:22:02] Redslash: Fri 8pm EST is Super Metroid [2015-08-29 18:22:04] DrunkenDraconian: i doubt there is a multigame schedule out there for races? would make picking a time easier [2015-08-29 18:22:25] Redslash: That was one of the 1st established races FUNgineer [2015-08-29 18:25:26 | Edited 18:25:55] Redslash: But by contrast we don't have J competition, so I defer to my European friends =) [2015-08-29 18:25:53] DrunkenDraconian: noon est is like 8 am for West cost and 4pm for EU, so maybe 2:00EST on sat or sunday? [2015-08-29 18:26:22] Xenraedium: that sounds like a decent time on both days for me. [2015-08-29 18:27:39] Redslash: Hehe... Otta! When would you like to race on weekends? =) [2015-08-29 18:29:03] Ottavino: as you want, 2est is good for me, won't be available all weekends but some of them [2015-08-29 18:29:50] Grondious60: I could make 2 est work on Saturdays :) [2015-08-29 18:30:24] Redslash: I would definitely be there! =) [2015-08-29 18:30:56 | Edited 18:31:13] DrunkenDraconian: I mean, nothing is set in stone. But lets roll with that 2:00PM EST Saturdays. [2015-08-29 18:32:10] Xenraedium: sounds good to me. [2015-08-29 18:32:24] DrunkenDraconian: First race is Magus. Keeners may race any% after. I'd probably try to restream and commentate. [2015-08-29 18:32:44] DrunkenDraconian: by after i mean continue the run [2015-08-29 18:33:40] Redslash: DD commentary? =O [2015-08-29 18:34:09] DrunkenDraconian: It's just another excuse to play with the sprites and make an overlay [2015-08-29 18:34:38 | Removed 18:34:54] Ottavino: This message has been removed. [2015-08-29 18:34:47] Ottavino: :) [2015-08-29 18:38:26] Grondious60: I have never been in a race before, but I would love to participate, just not sure how. I saw some race thing on livesplit but not completely sure what to do [2015-08-29 18:39:02] Xenraedium: don't worry, i'm new to racing myself, we can figure it out and i'm sure these guys can help us out. [2015-08-29 18:39:16] Ottavino: we used speedrunslive [2015-08-29 18:39:24] Ottavino: you just need a irc client [2015-08-29 18:39:36] DrunkenDraconian: i use the client built into livesplit [2015-08-29 18:39:49] DrunkenDraconian: .dones on last split [2015-08-29 18:40:06] DrunkenDraconian: just have to make an account [2015-08-29 18:41:05] Grondious60: Alright, I will definitely do that later, ty :) [2015-08-29 22:59:31] Obdajr: woo racing [2015-08-29 22:59:55] Obdajr: im down for some magus races for sure [2015-08-29 23:01:02] Obdajr: its a good goal since no matter what run you do, up to magus its pretty much the same [2015-08-30 0:19:08] Nihil922: magus races sounds fun, i would probably join in as well [2015-08-30 0:20:39] Nihil922: oh, and i actually started a screenshot guide a while ago, but i stopped because a lot of new strats were being implemented at the time [2015-08-30 0:21:57] Nihil922: its only up to proto dome, but if somebody wants to continue it i could upload it somewhere [2015-08-30 9:06:07] Obdajr: so as an alternative to having to fight 3 krakkers and a macrebe on death peak to have robo level, you can equip the aeon suit instead of the ruby vest (got from sunken desert) to have him survive (with a much larger buffer room). although you still need a fight for ice tackle, so its a little bit moot [2015-08-30 9:09:44] Obdajr: more vulnerable ;to the fire attack though, never mind [2015-08-30 11:52:15] Obdajr: k this lavos fight is nuts lol [2015-08-30 11:56:26] Obdajr: I didn't get quite enough damage on the shell using that strat; the notes are slightly confusing, do you wait for rain then luminaire, or use lumin first? what magic tabs / power tabs are used? just the normal 1 / 1 / 1 on crono? [2015-08-30 11:57:19] Obdajr: or I guess 3/1/1 [2015-08-30 12:00:57] Obdajr: ooh X means attack... [2015-08-30 12:43:55] Redslash: Ah yeah, did it work out? I wait for Rain before 1st Luminaire, and Marle gets her turn during that I think [2015-08-30 13:11:04] Obdajr: oh it worked fine with lumen first, but the next fight changed I think [2015-08-30 13:11:40] Obdajr: im thinking of stealing a backup shield from a barghast [2015-08-30 13:11:53] Obdajr: just incase grand stone gets queued up [2015-08-30 14:30:08] Obdajr: maan you need a very specific magic stat for this to work lol... [2015-08-30 14:30:39] Obdajr: too much and the right arm dies too fast, too little and the left one doesn't die fast enough [2015-08-30 14:38:51] Obdajr: so if you hit lvl 37, you're effed [2015-08-30 15:43:26] Redslash: Dang, didn't consider that... kinda surprised though because in my tests I was killing right arm with exact damage X) [2015-08-30 15:59:59] Obdajr: 24 magic or 25 magic works I believe\ [2015-08-30 16:01:45] Obdajr: 26 didnt [2015-08-30 16:03:00] Obdajr: the problem was killing the first arm one lumen early prompts the status defence removal early [2015-08-30 16:08:01] Obdajr: hmm I didn't quite get enough damage to kill the body either [2015-08-30 16:08:11] Obdajr: maybe only 25 dmg works [2015-08-30 16:08:16] Obdajr: 25 magic [2015-08-30 17:36:11] DrunkenDraconian: thoughts? [2015-08-30 17:36:14] DrunkenDraconian: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FCD5C59D6FE8BB6!374&authkey=!APk_bIftvyVC8sU&v=3&ithint=photo%2cpng [2015-08-30 18:02:14] Redslash: Krey... nice one, DD [2015-08-30 18:02:46] Redslash: Man the #rpg Magus race was on Halloween, so long ago.. [2015-08-30 18:03:54] Xenraedium: that is really neat, and it reminded me that i need to practice running up to magus when i have time this week. [2015-08-30 18:05:52] Obdajr: aw too bad, cant chain a magus race into all endings [2015-08-30 18:06:09] DrunkenDraconian: you can chain a magus vs magus race into it ;P [2015-08-30 18:06:15] Obdajr: haha [2015-08-30 20:40:41] Xenraedium: i didn't realize that new game+ was a category for this game, i only thought that was something used in all endings. i'm surprised to see that it's so short. how optimized is it? [2015-08-30 21:59:52] Redslash: I dunno actually. Never tried TASing it or anything. The strats are quite solid, I can say that at least.. [2015-08-30 22:07:31] Redslash: (It'd also never be on Tasvideos, they don't accept starting from "dirty SRAM") [2015-08-30 22:22:29] Redslash: I wonder how fast you could All Endings from a NG+... hm. [2015-08-30 22:26:32] Obdajr: probably pretty quick... [2015-08-31 7:58:57] Obdajr: if I save in between lavos body and lavos core, what would be the reload time for [~22] or whatever? [2015-08-31 7:59:34] Obdajr: cause I cant get this body fight to work [2015-08-31 8:40:34] Obdajr: alright... if I get a shield from killing an alien, grand stone isn't a problem, and that should cover every attack (marle can survive all the magic ones) so I don't think ill lose if the script goes off [2015-08-31 8:40:50] Obdajr: the status debuff attack sucks, but you can get around it [2015-08-31 8:43:04] Obdajr: actually you get a barrier from the same fight, so you can use that on crono to survive shadow doom blaze as well [2015-08-31 8:43:44] Obdajr: the alien fight also gives 3000 exp which is nice [2015-08-31 9:00:18] Redslash: Ah cool. I was looking at that fight for the exp, didn't consider the drops [2015-08-31 9:18:14] Redslash: ~22 is the load for Truce Canyon (Jail guard) [2015-08-31 9:53:05] Obdajr: ok [2015-08-31 15:09:50] Redslash: Streamin' a run =0 [2015-08-31 19:37:28] Redslash: Well that was fun. YT vid processing =) [2015-08-31 19:40:42] Redslash: Can't wait to start the 2:2x struggle [2015-08-31 19:45:46] Redslash: Aw rip, export is bad [2015-08-31 19:49:41] ElGranJerry: Yt export has like a 20% of working [2015-08-31 19:49:44] ElGranJerry: Almost pure rng [2015-08-31 19:59:30] Redslash: Ohh it only had 240p and I assumed it was done. Now there's 360 and 480 [2015-08-31 20:24:06] Puwexil: red, what's the trigger for removing the barrier in front of the guardia forest time gate? [2015-08-31 20:24:32] Puwexil: I noticed you used that in your run after getting the 2nd elixir, but I'm trying one of my practice files and the barrier is still there [2015-08-31 20:34:29 | Edited 21:24:35] Redslash: Oh actually, the barrier first appears when you charge the pendant, and then it's there forever [2015-08-31 20:38:32] Puwexil: ah, so LSS-only then - bummer [2015-09-01 10:22:36] Xenraedium: i leave for one day and come back to any% being 2:3x? red, you're some kind of god, haha. i haven't even started my grind for getting such a good time. [2015-09-01 10:37:23] Redslash: Thanks! But don't worry, it's not a good time X) [2015-09-01 10:39:20] Redslash: I still think 2:2x is a "reasonable" goal... Could be that it'll be a struggle [2015-09-01 11:02:25] Puwexil: I'm struggling just to get sub-3 :P [2015-09-01 11:10:46] ElGranJerry: I do think we should get separate leaderboards for lss and no lss [2015-09-01 11:37:20] Redslash: Any% NSS (no shell skip)? [2015-09-01 11:40:28] ElGranJerry: nss, sounds good to me [2015-09-01 11:51:33 | Edited 11:51:52] Redslash: Another thing we could do then, is rethink the JP/US separation... I'd want to get Jack's input on that [2015-09-01 11:51:50] Millnium: Any%, any% j, any% no lss, any% no lss j. Sounds like a mouthful [2015-09-01 11:52:09] Puwexil: does anyone care about J no-LSS? [2015-09-01 11:52:17] Puwexil: I thought the main point of running J was LSS being easier [2015-09-01 11:53:11] Redslash: Nah. But 3 cats called Any% seems a bit much, we could maybe drop "Any%" from some names, or... [2015-09-01 11:53:40] Puwexil: I don't really care personally - I'm going to do runs without LSS whether it's an 'official' cat or not [2015-09-01 11:54:30] Redslash: If LSS is a separate cat, we could even make timing until The End the rule for that. I don't think many more people will do it on US... [2015-09-01 11:54:33] Puwexil: I do agree with NA/JP being separate though, since there's gameplay differences beyond just text speed [2015-09-01 11:57:43] Redslash: Yeah. No LSS is slower on JP than US, the fights take waaay longer [2015-09-01 12:00:09] Redslash: So I dunno, a LSS/No LSS distinction could be sufficient, without separating JP/US =P [2015-09-01 12:01:59] ElGranJerry: ^ yup i think the same way [2015-09-01 12:02:22] Redslash: I still intend to beat my JP time on US in the meantime, just cuz I can... X) [2015-09-01 12:04:59] Redslash: I'm not sure how attached people are to the idea of The End timing... I could do without it, tbh... [2015-09-01 12:05:56] Puwexil: people do that because JP runners (who Western runners are usually competing with at said game) do [2015-09-01 12:06:13] Puwexil: and there's no real CT scene on Nico [2015-09-01 12:06:27] Puwexil: they like CC muuuuuch better [2015-09-01 12:06:31 | Edited 12:07:24] Redslash: Yeah. And the JP scene that exists for CT doesn't use glitches [2015-09-01 12:08:11 | Edited 12:08:30] Redslash: So, can't say we're competing with them on their terms anyway... [2015-09-01 12:10:44 | Edited 12:16:14] Redslash: Because of how CT's endings work, we had to do an extra minute of gameplay to get a shorter ending. But maybe "JRTA" would be willing to make the exception =P [2015-09-01 12:12:33 | Edited 12:12:48] Redslash: ... for the longer ending, which requires no inputs (so that "final input" is sooner), as opposed to the short one you gotta mash through [2015-09-01 12:18:39] Redslash: Anyway, that's my thoughts at the moment =) I'm open to input from future JP ver runners too [2015-09-01 12:19:54] Redslash: I just feel like when I ask #rpg or something, people don't really get what's going on... X) [2015-09-01 12:37:20] Redslash: JP/US is mixed on NG+ (though mechanics aren't affected, just text), but I'd also like to finish 100% JP route, which would be another category, and an even longer ending, heh... [2015-09-01 12:38:29] Ottavino: ng+ jp is way faster than us [2015-09-01 12:39:48] Ottavino: with the bronze fist glitch (http://tasvideos.org/2113S.html) [2015-09-01 12:43:17] Ottavino: with the ng+ timing it's a 3min46 run [2015-09-01 12:46:24] ElGranJerry: :O [2015-09-01 12:49:29] ElGranJerry: and about timings idk, I feel going to the end is pointless, just adds more time and you do nothing [2015-09-01 12:49:35] ElGranJerry: I am a fan of last input timings [2015-09-01 12:54:42] ElGranJerry: Also the category separation needs to be made or we remove the no lss route and add the other one from the chrono page since there's no route on any% US atm [2015-09-01 12:55:53] ElGranJerry: people have been bugging me with questions of any% and any% no lss for months and I cracked today, gotta do something [2015-09-01 12:58:20] Puwexil: that site could use a more beginner-friendly guide IMO [2015-09-01 12:58:50] Puwexil: most people I know that have tried to learn the game never finished because they got stuck on the dragon tank or something else early in the game [2015-09-01 12:59:54] ElGranJerry: I uploaded a tutorial in January to cover that [2015-09-01 13:00:09] ElGranJerry: But I agree the route is unfriendly for new people [2015-09-01 13:01:54] ElGranJerry: It's funny how part 1 has 600 views, then 2 and 3 270ish and part 4 60 lol [2015-09-01 13:02:05] Redslash: Screenshot tutorial in the works too =) [2015-09-01 13:02:15] Puwexil: I was able to get a 3:12 doing no manipulation outside of flea, slash, magus, and lavos [2015-09-01 13:02:17] Redslash: But yeah those videos helped out a ton [2015-09-01 13:03:35] ElGranJerry: I think it's as simple as separating no lss as a category and making a more beginner friendly route/tutorial whatever for it so people start running the game [2015-09-01 13:03:44] ElGranJerry: they can jump boat to any% when they want to [2015-09-01 13:05:04] ElGranJerry: not making the route of the game easier, just explaining it better and with more detail [2015-09-01 13:07:23] Puwexil: I see the problem with that approach is that you're still asking for a lot of commitment from runners to finish their first run [2015-09-01 13:08:03] Puwexil: vs. something they can put a few hrs of practice into and see if they like the game enough to take it further [2015-09-01 13:08:59] Puwexil: but whatever, I don't have time/energy to make guides/tutorials, and I already know the run :P [2015-09-01 13:09:01] Redslash: Hmm, so a separate beginner's tutorial, that boils down the necessities... [2015-09-01 13:10:52] ElGranJerry: I don't think a dif tutorial is needed, there's only so much to put in it [2015-09-01 13:11:18] ElGranJerry: of course the audio on mine is awful so I wouldnt mind another one to be made [2015-09-01 13:11:21] Puwexil: I used obda's guide when I first learned the run, since that's no manip before flea [2015-09-01 13:11:21] ElGranJerry: just not by me :) [2015-09-01 13:11:56] ElGranJerry: Thing about manip is even if you lose it before Flea you can still continue with the run [2015-09-01 13:12:06] ElGranJerry: you can beat all of the bosses without it [2015-09-01 13:12:39] Puwexil: if you know what to do, which I don't remember the guide on the wiki site having [2015-09-01 13:13:11] Puwexil: like I think it just said to use 'fire whirl strats' on DT if you fail manip, without explaining what that means [2015-09-01 13:13:41] ElGranJerry: It does explain DT, but that's the only one [2015-09-01 13:13:44] ElGranJerry: I see the point [2015-09-01 13:13:47] Grondious60: Jerrys guide has been very helpful to me so far and obdas glitch tutorials :) [2015-09-01 13:15:10] Grondious60: Some manipulations and backup strats were a bit frustrating for me at first to learn but though trial and error and watching the vids closely and some people in the community explaining things I was able to figure some of it out [2015-09-01 13:18:03] Grondious60: I haven't dug deep for information, but having better knowledge of backup strats would be really nice, Ottavino was telling me about a consistent backup strat for R-series if you miss the initial timing and that is extremely helpful to know because if I messed it up it was either 5 minutes lost or reset before [2015-09-01 13:18:57] ElGranJerry: yeah, we are missing that one [2015-09-01 13:19:03] ElGranJerry: I don't know it myself [2015-09-01 13:19:07] ElGranJerry: :P [2015-09-01 13:19:30] Grondious60: But yeah, thank you very much Jerry for the tutorials! =D [2015-09-01 13:20:14] Puwexil: idk if no manip lavos shell is possible with the current route, but if it is that'd be nice too [2015-09-01 13:20:26] Puwexil: so people would have a chance at not losing 15-20 min if they fail manip during the boss rush [2015-09-01 13:20:43] ElGranJerry: it is but it isn't [2015-09-01 13:20:53 | Edited 13:21:08] ElGranJerry: since you have a chance of getting 1 hit by destruction rain [2015-09-01 13:23:18] Redslash: I'm actually not 100% sure on that anymore. When it happened to me it could've been due to another mistake. I'll check it out [2015-09-01 13:23:44] ElGranJerry: It has happened to me as well [2015-09-01 13:23:52] ElGranJerry: but maybe I screwed up earlier or something [2015-09-01 13:23:56] ElGranJerry: cant remember [2015-09-01 13:24:36] Ottavino: you can go to 2300 pick up the golden earring and the lumin robe if you don't manipulate lavos [2015-09-01 13:25:38] Redslash: ^ That's also true. We should be sure to document "old" route stuff [2015-09-01 13:26:06] Puwexil: ah, I was trying to remember how the route Essentia used when she ran Any% for C4L last year survived destruction rain [2015-09-01 13:28:02] DrunkenDraconian: I'm sure a couple grind fights before tyrano would work too [2015-09-01 13:29:03] Redslash: Wouldn't hurt for making Desert easier, at least... [2015-09-01 13:29:23] Puwexil: gold earring/lumin robe would probably be a lot faster, assuming you can get your 2nd elixir on the same trip too [2015-09-01 13:29:54] Redslash: Yeah, Elixir is in the same room =) [2015-09-01 13:30:07] Redslash: Er, it's not as fast though [2015-09-01 13:30:30] Puwexil: right, but faster than grinding extra levels [2015-09-01 13:30:52] Redslash: Right, yeah [2015-09-01 13:32:34] DrunkenDraconian: it just 1 lvl right? destruction rain KOs by just a little bit IIRC [2015-09-01 13:33:23] Ottavino: each battle before BT takes 30 sec, going to 2300 is a 4 min detour [2015-09-01 13:33:42] DrunkenDraconian: over Guardia castle? [2015-09-01 13:34:11] Ottavino: minus the elixir in guardia castle taking 1min20 iirc [2015-09-01 13:37:42] Ottavino: and the blue mail taking 35 sec [2015-09-01 13:39:38] DrunkenDraconian: Might be best to keep the "noob route" as close to the real as possible, if we are trying to reduce confusion [2015-09-01 13:42:59] Redslash: Yup. I think the route would benefit from being in a wiki format, so we can have clear "branching" or "optional" paths =) [2015-09-01 13:43:10] Redslash: (and screenshots) [2015-09-01 13:43:20] Puwexil: the DKC wiki site is pretty good for that [2015-09-01 13:43:31] Puwexil: has 2-3 different routes for each stage depending on skill level [2015-09-01 13:44:36] Puwexil: and the easy routes still feel like a speedrun, even if they don't do any frame-perfect tricks [2015-09-01 13:54:00] ElGranJerry: So the argument that started all... no lss yes or no? Lol [2015-09-01 14:03:13] Redslash: I'm a yes [2015-09-01 14:04:35] Puwexil: I don't personally care either way, but I think having one would be less discouraging for newer runners (which is probably how we got sidetracked) [2015-09-01 14:07:03] DrunkenDraconian: ANY%, No LSS%, 100%, All endings [2015-09-01 14:07:10] DrunkenDraconian: and Magus race obv [2015-09-01 14:07:35] Redslash: Ooh, Magus category. Good call [2015-09-01 14:08:08] Redslash: ... Idk if it needs a leaderboard, lol [2015-09-01 14:08:21] Puwexil: SRL's site should be able to take care of that [2015-09-01 14:08:49] Grondious60: I am a noob, but I vote yes on the no LSS% being a thing [2015-09-01 14:09:28] Puwexil: http://www.speedrunslive.com/races/game/#!/chronotrigger/1 [2015-09-01 14:10:19] Puwexil: probably worth clarifying where the magus race actually ends [2015-09-01 14:10:46] Puwexil: I'm always a fan of having some easily definable visual/audio cue within the game [2015-09-01 14:10:51] DrunkenDraconian: 1500 exp window? [2015-09-01 14:10:52] Redslash: "kill lavos" category =0 [2015-09-01 14:10:59] Puwexil: like the FF4 paladin race ends when the paladin fanfare starts [2015-09-01 14:11:11] Puwexil: and FF6 kefka @ narshe is when the sound of kefka running away starts [2015-09-01 14:11:38] Puwexil: I like those because you get a few seconds after losing control to get ready to .done [2015-09-01 14:12:16] Puwexil: maybe the sound of magus kneeling? [2015-09-01 14:12:29] Puwexil: after the battle results disappear [2015-09-01 14:13:32] DrunkenDraconian: I like that, or maybe lavos scream? [2015-09-01 14:13:39] Ottavino: i'm a yes for no lss [2015-09-01 14:14:03] Millnium: Whatever y'all decide on for categories ill be fine with. Claude and I will be learning j any eventually. [2015-09-01 14:19:25] Redslash: As much as I'd like to see J any and U any merged, I will go ahead and let you guys define it =) [2015-09-01 14:19:53] Redslash: I'll just be glad not to be the only one on the board, ha ha [2015-09-01 14:20:21] Millnium: Merged would be my preference. Makes it look more filled out [2015-09-01 14:21:28] Redslash: It would be easier to merge if we didn't time to The End, that's the main thing =) [2015-09-01 14:22:53] Ottavino: don't time to the end, on Zelda games it's usually last input (oot, alttp) [2015-09-01 14:23:21] Millnium: Timing to the d is all I know, so I'm biased [2015-09-01 14:23:51] DrunkenDraconian: just add another split and do both [2015-09-01 14:24:13] DrunkenDraconian: a good run is a good run [2015-09-01 14:25:47] Redslash: Ha, fair enough. I recall Claude wanted to as well, but I'm sure he'd understand the reasoning [2015-09-01 14:26:28] Redslash: But DD, one split or the other has to take a whole extra minute, can't have both =/ [2015-09-01 14:26:30] Puwexil: theclaude uses JP timing rules for everything IIRC, even games like DKC where there aren't many actual JP runners [2015-09-01 14:27:02] Millnium: Actually his dkc3 run was u timing [2015-09-01 14:29:59] Ottavino: on dkc2 his j timing is when k rool dies, not when the end appears at the end of the credits [2015-09-01 14:32:20] Ottavino: the pb for CT j is that the route is different if we time for last input or if we time for 'the end' [2015-09-01 14:33:25] Puwexil: do you advance the story further to get a different ending or something? [2015-09-01 14:33:53] Redslash: Yeah. Schala cutscene [2015-09-01 14:34:18] DrunkenDraconian: that is trolltastic, I see the problem now [2015-09-01 14:42:38] Redslash: So, proposing that the categories be: Any%, Any% NSS, 100%, NG+, All Endings [2015-09-01 14:43:16 | Edited 14:43:38] Redslash: With no US/JP division for any board [2015-09-01 14:45:16] DrunkenDraconian: 2nded [2015-09-01 14:45:29] Puwexil: (yes) [2015-09-01 14:46:56] Ottavino: (yes) [2015-09-01 14:47:36] ElGranJerry: (y) [2015-09-01 14:47:46] Grondious60: (y) [2015-09-01 15:03:09] eLmaGus: (n) [2015-09-01 15:05:38] eLmaGus: imo let any% be any%, there doesnt need to be a distinction between LSS and no LSS [2015-09-01 15:09:44] Redslash: I think No LSS has its merits, like for racing. But do you think it should just be a race category? [2015-09-01 15:10:02] DrunkenDraconian: just drop the "any%" and call it "No LSS"? [2015-09-01 15:10:08] eLmaGus: dont get me wrong, a distinction would defenitley be reasonable, leaving it as it is though is avoiding drama and doesnt open the door for other arbitrary distinctions [2015-09-01 15:10:35] eLmaGus: it should be the same thing, nothing prevents anybody from learning LSS, its a hard trick but imo if you really want to you can do it [2015-09-01 15:10:49] eLmaGus: you can always race any% and just be like "yo guys you wanna do no LSS?" [2015-09-01 15:11:08 | Edited 15:11:38] ElGranJerry: why would you learn no lss if it isnt a category though? [2015-09-01 15:11:20] eLmaGus: i just feel like the community is at a point where its just looking for dumb shit like this to hammer on and avoiding that would save us some headaches [2015-09-01 15:11:42] eLmaGus: i have not seen anybody besides jack learn LSS when they started out [2015-09-01 15:12:00] eLmaGus: i think people who are really interested in CT will not learn LSS until they learned how to do the run without it [2015-09-01 15:12:37] eLmaGus: just my 2 cents of course, ultimatley i think a distinction is fine [2015-09-01 15:14:31] Redslash: Hmm... and what do you think about merging US and JP? If people wanna do LSS, they're almost certainly gonna move to JP [2015-09-01 15:15:27] eLmaGus: most people probably have a big barrier to JP [2015-09-01 15:15:37] eLmaGus: language and all [2015-09-01 15:15:46] eLmaGus: so i believe its okay for the time being [2015-09-01 15:21:14] Redslash: I could be underestimating how many people would invest in learning English LSS. [2015-09-01 15:22:48] Redslash: I would still like to see JP and US merged [2015-09-01 15:34:30] Redslash: Idk, I just don't see the harm in it. Uninformed people hammer on stuff, sure [2015-09-01 15:42:47] Redslash: Comes down to what's best for the game [2015-09-01 15:47:30] Redslash: The decision of whether a run is No LSS or not, has to come at Denadoro Mtns, the Silver Earring [2015-09-01 15:48:40] Redslash: If you skip that, you're not doing No LSS... unless you get the Gold Earring or something [2015-09-01 15:51:42] Redslash: Oh and Haste, lol. That decision is made at Forest Maze [2015-09-01 15:53:10] Redslash: Anyway, the vote is still on! [2015-09-01 16:12:59] Redslash: I'll admit my p.o.v. has been swayed, by the notion of SRL-only categories =P [2015-09-01 16:16:12] ElGranJerry: srl only categories are normally memes [2015-09-01 16:16:19] ElGranJerry: like we do in dkr lose all minigames [2015-09-01 16:16:23] ElGranJerry: or win all minigames [2015-09-01 16:16:38] ElGranJerry: not serious for a leaderboard but good for fun [2015-09-01 16:16:41] ElGranJerry: like magus rta? [2015-09-01 16:18:06] Redslash: Yeah... [2015-09-01 16:38:43] Redslash: This was SW's idea, I just figured out how to make it work http://www.speedrun.com/chronotrigger#Any1 [2015-09-01 16:39:10] Redslash: Distinguish LSS, but also add the EoT split [2015-09-01 16:40:48 | Removed 17:27:57] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 16:41:00 | Removed 17:28:00] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 16:42:06] Redslash: Oh, the sorting's messed up [2015-09-01 16:43:46 | Removed 17:28:02] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 17:15:44] Redslash: If the sorting functioned would you like it? ; ) [2015-09-01 17:17:46 | Edited 17:18:07] Redslash: It also makes my run show up on Latest Runs listing as [2015-09-01 17:17:46 | Edited 17:18:07] Redslash: Any% (2:30:29) 1st Redslash 2:36:48 [2015-09-01 17:22:06 | Removed 17:25:06] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 17:22:11 | Removed 17:25:08] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 17:22:25 | Removed 17:25:12] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 17:23:11 | Removed 17:25:14] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 17:23:56] Redslash: I'm actually doin' stuff, heh [2015-09-01 17:24:12 | Removed 17:24:58] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 17:24:19 | Removed 17:25:02] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-09-01 17:24:50] Redslash: I wanted it to be a surprise~ [2015-09-01 17:25:19] ElGranJerry: there we go [2015-09-01 17:31:05] Redslash: Anyway that's what it'd look like, lol... Not necessarily permanent =D [2015-09-01 17:34:20] Redslash: So, is it optimal though? Logically Any% comes first, but then more popular category is on 2nd page. Hm. [2015-09-01 17:35:50] Redslash: I guess it's more popular "for now", as it is the "legacy" category [2015-09-01 17:36:31] Redslash: Folks can also submit their times to Any% without doing LSS [2015-09-01 17:37:00] Redslash: Uh-oh... I think that makes sense. [2015-09-01 17:39:50] Redslash: Another possibility is... a Wikidot-only category? With 2 leaderboards we do have the opportunity to take 2 different approaches [2015-09-01 17:46:30 | Edited 17:47:57] Redslash: Because for Speedrun.com, I'm leaning toward fewer categories (and fuller pages). On Wikidot we could break up the listings and get more analytical =) [2015-09-01 17:50:59] eLmaGus: well i mean first of all [2015-09-01 17:51:07] eLmaGus: 1 leaderboard is probably the best idea [2015-09-01 17:51:15] ElGranJerry: We should drop wikidot [2015-09-01 17:51:18] eLmaGus: because if we split leaderboards its confusing [2015-09-01 17:51:40] eLmaGus: and merging together the versions is totally fine i think [2015-09-01 17:52:41] eLmaGus: SR.com distinguishes between US and JP, having a runner 2 times on 1 board doesnt bother me either [2015-09-01 17:53:49] eLmaGus: you can also add comments to the run that is on the board, so you can distinguish LSS/no LSS there if need be [2015-09-01 17:56:10] Redslash: Wow, rip Wikidot? [2015-09-01 17:56:26] Redslash: We should post news on there [2015-09-01 17:57:05] ElGranJerry: Maybe not rip but do something different with it [2015-09-01 17:57:30] eLmaGus: yeah leaderboards RIP but discussion and notes/guides on there? [2015-09-01 17:57:41] eLmaGus: because i dont think anybody ever visited wiki for leaderboard [2015-09-01 17:58:01 | Edited 17:58:44] ElGranJerry: We could have speedrun.com link to the strats section of wikidot [2015-09-01 17:58:17] eLmaGus: defenitley [2015-09-01 17:58:29] Redslash: Agreed [2015-09-01 18:01:00] ElGranJerry: Oh speedrun.com has a streams section [2015-09-01 18:01:03] ElGranJerry: Thats nice [2015-09-01 18:01:46] Redslash: Oh yeah, I forget how that works. I think it uses SRL? [2015-09-01 18:02:05] ElGranJerry: I got no idea tbh. Probably srl [2015-09-01 18:03:17] Redslash: So a runner on the board multiple times... never thought of that... [2015-09-01 18:05:44] eLmaGus: yeah JP/US [2015-09-01 18:06:05] eLmaGus: let me test that real quick [2015-09-01 18:06:06] Redslash: Should we do such a thing? Let's see what it looks like, lol... [2015-09-01 18:06:13] eLmaGus: or you go ahead [2015-09-01 18:06:42] Redslash: Oh yeah we don't know when someone else is editing [2015-09-01 18:07:53] ElGranJerry: It won't look pretty but I like the idea [2015-09-01 18:08:04] Redslash: Oh it'll look very pretty [2015-09-01 18:09:03] ElGranJerry: I gotta run to a futbol game. Catch you in a bit guys [2015-09-01 18:09:31] Redslash: There we go [2015-09-01 18:09:42] Redslash: Ok catch ya later Jerry! [2015-09-01 18:09:55] eLmaGus: have fun jerry [2015-09-01 18:10:00] eLmaGus: dont embarass the other team [2015-09-01 18:10:16] eLmaGus: look at how good that looks [2015-09-01 18:10:24] eLmaGus: even a column for LSS Y/N [2015-09-01 18:11:21] Redslash: Better change it to not Y/N cuz otherwise Latest Times looks silly [2015-09-01 18:12:16] Redslash: Oh lol, one sec, gotta add my new US time... X) [2015-09-01 18:13:18] Redslash: Like I said, very pretty... lmao [2015-09-01 18:20:58] Redslash: If I were to have 2 times listed, I'd rather have the No LSS tbh [2015-09-01 18:21:07] Redslash: Like so, maybe [2015-09-01 18:22:53] Redslash: I don't like that it assigns 2 placements to one runner though [2015-09-01 18:28:39] Redslash: I'll name the column "Shell"... sweet. Felt silly assigning "no LSS" to 2013 runs so I went with a " - " [2015-09-01 18:30:59] Redslash: I'm gonna remove Playstation as a console, that's not happening... [2015-09-01 18:33:48] ElGranJerry: Why delete the separate category though? This still makes them both any% [2015-09-01 18:34:03] ElGranJerry: Thought the vote was for a separate cat not a distinction [2015-09-01 18:35:08] Redslash: Right, still just seeing how things look, mainly [2015-09-01 18:36:32] Redslash: Idk, even though we call it Any%, it's still making "LSS" a separate category [2015-09-01 18:37:17] Redslash: So it's weird lookin' to me. [2015-09-01 18:38:20 | Edited 18:40:54] Redslash: Also brought up the point that people may not want to submit their Any% run to No LSS... right? [2015-09-01 18:43:42] Redslash: But anyway! We also haven't heard from everyone on the matter [2015-09-01 18:49:12] Redslash: Actually, it just clicked for me I think. We could start a fresh No LSS category [2015-09-01 18:51:51] Redslash: But.... [2015-09-01 18:57:14] Redslash: Even though my No LSS time isn't shown on the board, if you hide LSS times then it's there. Seems pretty functional [2015-09-01 19:15:21] Redslash: We should change the abbreviation/URL from "chronotrigger" to "ct" [2015-09-01 19:18:14] Redslash: I did it, sry about your bookmarks =X [2015-09-01 19:41:58] ElGranJerry: Any% is any% and no lss is no lss. No overlap [2015-09-01 19:42:23] ElGranJerry: Just adding a no lss column is the same thing we discussed 3/4 months ago [2015-09-01 19:43:26] ElGranJerry: I dont care being 1st, 2nd, 10th just make the separation is easy to do [2015-09-01 19:43:54] ElGranJerry: Divide routes, specific strats, boss fights [2015-09-01 20:14:49] Redslash: I gotcha. But, we can still have the documentation separate, without dividing the board? [2015-09-01 20:29:22] ElGranJerry: It doesnt make sense to divide one without the other [2015-09-01 20:29:58] ElGranJerry: It's been 3-4 months since I brought it up and nothing was done. This time I thought we were voting on it? [2015-09-01 20:30:47] ElGranJerry: We've barely had ct runs lately and category stuff has to do with it [2015-09-01 20:32:34] Redslash: Well, ok let's schedule a vote then. Nothing's happening atm because not everyone has voted. I'm just going over the pros/cons [2015-09-01 20:37:23] Puwexil: if people let category stuff stop them from doing runs, they're doing it wrong [2015-09-01 20:47:22] ElGranJerry: Yes. But sadly it happens [2015-09-01 20:53:18] Redslash: What if LSS was too hyped? [2015-09-01 20:56:16] Redslash: I will run No LSS route again. But you can still compare times on 1 board. My 2:58 is there if you filter LSS out.. [2015-09-01 20:57:41] Redslash: Cementing the idea more that LSS is an exceptional thing, might not be what CT needs.. [2015-09-01 21:00:43] ElGranJerry: It's not, but the route is dif enough to warrant a category [2015-09-01 21:02:24] ElGranJerry: I am going to stop trying now. Lets keep it like this then. It's working fine [2015-09-01 21:04:07] Redslash: Sorry, I'm just chattin. What I say doesn't go. [2015-09-01 21:04:08] Redslash: But what if we advertise it as a "sub-category"? [2015-09-01 21:05:46] Redslash: It is different but, it's pretty hard to say how different [2015-09-01 21:18:13] ElGranJerry: Sub category? Why minuspreciate it? [2015-09-01 21:18:19] ElGranJerry: Idk if thats a word [2015-09-01 21:19:00] Redslash: Gotcha, I mean, LSS is also a sub-category [2015-09-01 21:22:43] Redslash: I think what we need is an analysis page with stats and stuff. Like sports analysis. That'd satisfy the people's craving for competition [2015-09-01 21:24:04 | Edited 21:24:45] Redslash: Haha... seriously though, if folks submitted an attempt for us to collaboratively review (in text), and consented for it to reviewed publicly, I think that could be pretty fun and interesting [2015-09-01 21:26:29] Redslash: Maybe we'd get too many. Maybe that's ok. I'll get back to you tomorrow X) [2015-09-01 21:26:42] Redslash: Night, y'all~ [2015-09-01 21:27:24] ElGranJerry: Night bro [2015-09-01 21:28:42] ElGranJerry: So, proposing that the categories be: Any%, NSS(variable name) 100%, NG+, All Endings. Some already voted. Think on it and submit a vote before Sunday if you care. If you dont want to vote np [2015-09-01 21:29:01] ElGranJerry: There. Gnight [2015-09-01 23:42:17] Obdajr: I don't think any% and no LSS should be split up; it [2015-09-01 23:43:40] Obdajr: it's not a sequence break in the traditional sense and the only reason to separate it would be because it's difficult, which hasn't ever really been a reason in my books. people that do any% and choose not to use LSS will just have worse times, but should go in the same category [2015-09-01 23:43:48] Obdajr: ^ my opinion [2015-09-01 23:45:43] Obdajr: this would be like saying any% no iceless jump in mmx is a different category; different route, skipping a trick only because it's hard [2015-09-01 23:46:01] Obdajr: sorry 100%* [2015-09-02 15:34:42] Redslash: I think you have to be an admin to make new Wikidot pages, dang [2015-09-02 15:38:08] Redslash: Just wanna start some mock-ups to how they look, I can make "chrono2.wikidot" for that X) [2015-09-02 15:46:18] ElGranJerry: Ask srwatcher maybe? [2015-09-02 15:58:02] Redslash: Ye... either that or he can create the pages for us to edit~ I'm good for now, I'll mess around [2015-09-02 15:58:30] Redslash: Anyway run time =0 [2015-09-02 21:26:13] eLmaGus: how did the run go [2015-09-02 21:26:16] eLmaGus: i had to tune out [2015-09-02 21:27:49] Redslash: Died to Flea =3 [2015-09-02 21:29:55] Xenraedium: happens to the best of us. i couldn't even tell you how many times i died to flea while rescripting the fight for all bosses, and i'm still trying to figure that fight out... [2015-09-02 21:35:02] eLmaGus: died to flea? [2015-09-02 21:35:07] eLmaGus: DIED TO FLEA? [2015-09-02 21:35:12] Redslash: Yeah, totally spaced on equipping Berserker [2015-09-02 21:35:13] Redslash: Lol [2015-09-02 21:35:14] eLmaGus: i thought id never see the day [2015-09-02 21:35:26] Redslash: Definitely not the first time it's happened X) [2015-09-02 21:35:36] eLmaGus: huh [2015-09-02 21:36:49] eLmaGus: well i mean gotta get it out of the system [2015-09-02 21:36:52] eLmaGus: ; > [2015-09-02 22:06:33 | Edited 22:06:46] Redslash: Yup yup. I tested equipping Berserker before entering the Castle (maybe if you're doing a reload). Works fine, just an extra attack from Frog [2015-09-02 22:13:01] Redslash: Hmm, so there's such thing as searching songs by bpm... what's our song, guys [2015-09-02 22:14:02] DrunkenDraconian: Hero - Enrique [2015-09-02 22:19:28] Redslash: Lol, oh god... [2015-09-02 22:21:52] Redslash: Dude this's a big list [2015-09-02 22:31:43] Redslash: Uh-oh there's J-pop in this database https://songbpm.com/ [2015-09-03 3:46:31] eLmaGus: http://www.twitch.tv/elmagus/v/14208891 [2015-09-03 3:46:32] eLmaGus: explain [2015-09-03 5:58:45] ElGranJerry: Retinite master troll [2015-09-03 7:38:12] Nihil922: haha, nice one [2015-09-03 12:02:14] Redslash: LOL you got the "Retinite skip" [2015-09-03 12:03:22] Redslash: When it pops up again in the same spot, it would've forced you into the fight [2015-09-03 12:11:09] Redslash: Pretty amazing to get it by accident, as far as I know it's a 4-frame window [2015-09-03 12:11:38] Puwexil: I think I've gotten that once too [2015-09-03 12:11:46] Puwexil: looked like the last frame before retinite disappeared [2015-09-03 17:44:28] eLmaGus: had a lot of fun playing after 8 months and hitting all the hard stuff except slash mid tonic lololol [2015-09-03 17:44:54] eLmaGus: we should do magus races sometime to give people incentive to play this game more often [2015-09-03 17:47:18] ElGranJerry: Theres one on saturday. 2pm est [2015-09-03 17:48:58 | Edited 17:49:08] Redslash: Yeah, we decided to start up a weekly race =D [2015-09-03 17:54:56] ElGranJerry: I'll [2015-09-03 17:55:25] ElGranJerry: Prolly use the races to finish any% runs even if its a bit slower [2015-09-03 17:55:38] ElGranJerry: I cant join at all this month though :/ [2015-09-03 17:58:25 | Edited 17:58:33] Puwexil: if I join a race I'll probably decide after zombor what route to use, depending on pace [2015-09-03 18:00:56] Redslash: I also can't join this week's, but I'm really excited about it and working on resources for folks =) [2015-09-03 18:05:42 | Edited 18:06:58] Redslash: Playing around with possible Wiki layouts (Wikidot has so many features to try)... Here's my "sandbox" http://chrono2.wikidot.com/home [2015-09-03 18:06:04 | Edited 18:06:37] Redslash: The organization isn't quite right yet, but there's some ideas [2015-09-03 18:07:18] Redslash: (wrong link whoops) [2015-09-03 18:09:15] Xenraedium: unfortunately i don't think i'll be joining this week either, just because of work stuff cutting into it, but next week should be clear. [2015-09-03 18:09:42] Xenraedium: also, i like the layout so far, even if it feels a bit empty but i know that's just because it's not quite there yet. [2015-09-03 18:11:53] Xenraedium: i'm trying to figure out this candy skip thing, too, for new game+, it seems so arbitrary, but i'm sure there's a very specific timing for it... [2015-09-03 18:12:23] Xenraedium: i've only gotten it once and i waited quite a while before moving, which i know isn't optimal. [2015-09-03 18:13:39] Xenraedium: i'm assuming the timing has to do with checking for flags, or something along those lines. i'm not sure where to go looking for that information or if anyone knows about it. [2015-09-03 18:20:02] Redslash: Ah yeah. Most triggers are on a 28-frame cycle - it dictates how long it takes until a script starts (makes things feel more "natural" maybe)... so you are activating the trigger but it's giving you enough time to escape before the cutcene starts [2015-09-03 18:20:29] Redslash: Oh, same principle as in all the save-anywhere skips =) [2015-09-03 18:22:02] Redslash: It's sorta frame-perfect, but I think there's actually 3 frames in 28 that are good,bad,good [2015-09-03 18:23:16] Xenraedium: i see, that makes more sense. knowing that will probably help me at least improve my chances of getting it, hopefully... [2015-09-03 18:24:03] Xenraedium: i hope it isn't always this difficult for me, i would hate to lose a run less than a minute in more often than not. [2015-09-03 18:26:21] Xenraedium: but i'm not so concerned with that now, i'm more concerned with making the inner lavos/lavos core fight faster. i have some ideas i plan on testing, and now that i have those values (thanks again, by the way), i am excited to see if i can make something work. [2015-09-03 18:36:25] Redslash: Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous and sounds like a grind to get down, but luckily there's not a whole lot more after that [2015-09-03 18:37:00] Redslash: Or, it depends on what you might turn it into, hehe. Good luck! =) [2015-09-03 18:38:15] Xenraedium: thanks man, i actually enjoy just how precise short categories are, and i'm very glad that ct has new game+ as its own category. [2015-09-03 19:39:31] eLmaGus: so this week i will be playing on my own huh? [2015-09-03 19:39:36] eLmaGus: ` (cool) [2015-09-03 19:41:45] Grondious60: I'm going to try and join the Magus race, although I am terrible x,x [2015-09-03 19:42:17] Grondious60: Should be fun though, lol [2015-09-03 19:46:05] Ottavino: i'll be here for magus race :) [2015-09-03 19:46:26] Puwexil: I can do it if the start time is moved up a bit [2015-09-03 19:46:36] Puwexil: have somewhere I need to be 2 hours after the current start time [2015-09-03 19:46:44] Ottavino: np for me [2015-09-03 19:54:19] Redslash: In that case, I may be able to join. I'm kind of in the same boat [2015-09-03 19:56:13] DrunkenDraconian: I'm def racing [2015-09-03 19:56:45] DrunkenDraconian: was brainstorming bingo ideas lol. bromide% [2015-09-03 19:57:27] DrunkenDraconian: I don't mind going earlier, or even doing a 2nd race [2015-09-03 19:59:19] Puwexil: noon EST work? [2015-09-03 20:02:07] Grondious60: I wouldn't be able to make it at noon, but that's cool I could always try for next week since I need a lot more practice anyways, or if there is a 2nd race later that day I could join :) [2015-09-03 20:04:40] Redslash: For me, 1pm or earlier should work [2015-09-03 20:10:53 | Edited 20:11:28] DrunkenDraconian: If that's cool for everyone else I'm fine with it. Maybe a race at 12 & another 2~2:30 [2015-09-03 20:11:45] Grondious60: Sounds good to me =D [2015-09-03 20:11:53] DrunkenDraconian: I need to practice for any% [2015-09-03 20:49:16] eLmaGus: noon works for me [2015-09-03 21:02:35] Obdajr: tomorrow or saterday? [2015-09-03 21:03:38] Puwexil: saturday [2015-09-03 21:05:01] Obdajr: and that's EST right? I have to help my grandman move at 1pm PST, so I would be able to join if its earlier [2015-09-03 21:05:32] Puwexil: yeah, sounds like noon EST/9AM PST is when magus/ottavino/redlash/me will be racing [2015-09-03 21:06:43] Obdajr: noice! i'm in [2015-09-03 21:06:46] Obdajr: should be fun [2015-09-03 21:06:50] Puwexil: (yes) [2015-09-03 21:26:28] eLmaGus: actually i just realized i will be playing FF6 probably at noon still [2015-09-03 21:26:44] eLmaGus: depending on how the relay progresses [2015-09-03 21:27:16] eLmaGus: we will see its 50/50 [2015-09-03 21:27:38] ElGranJerry: Noon works for me except this week. I normally have class at 3 est so i should be fine [2015-09-04 13:18:48] Grondious60: What is the timing for doing .done on the magus races? [2015-09-04 13:19:56] Puwexil: when magus kneels after the flames go out would be my vote [2015-09-04 13:20:14] Puwexil: so you have time to get ready to .done instead of having to scramble for it [2015-09-04 13:25:26] Grondious60: Alright cool, I am going to try using livesplit to race with which I believe auto does .done at the final split. I won't be able to make it at the 12 race but I saw DrunkenDraconian is up for a 2nd race at around 2:30pm est, not sure if anyone else will be able to make it but I am excited to do my first race =) I am going to practice some off and on today, is it cool if I ask questions in here from time to time? I know there is a couple things I am messing up with the RNG manip and I am not entirely sure why [2015-09-04 13:27:16] Xenraedium: you're always welcome to ask questions, at least it doesn't bother me any, and if i can help at all, i'd love to. i've asked a lot of questions myself, so don't be shy about it. :] [2015-09-04 13:27:41] Xenraedium: that emoji is not the emotion i am trying to convey, thanks, skype... [2015-09-04 13:28:58] Grondious60: (rofl) Hahhaaha, and alright thanks! I will avoid spamming everyones Skype as much as possible though [2015-09-04 13:29:56] DrunkenDraconian: I like the kneel, I say we run with that. [2015-09-04 14:31:22] Obdajr: (Y) [2015-09-04 17:09:25] Redslash: I'm so pumped. Yeah Grondious if there's something you're wondering about, spam away. I'm on the road atm but will get to you asap [2015-09-04 17:46:36] Grondious60: If you get caught by a guard or touch a mask somehow, is there a backup load strat to get the good dragon tank RNG at the save right before him? [2015-09-04 17:47:03] *** *** [2015-09-04 17:47:06] ElGranJerry: no [2015-09-04 17:47:13] ElGranJerry: http://pastebin.com/HYbtZMRf [2015-09-04 17:47:25] ElGranJerry: If you get caught by the second guard follow this [2015-09-04 17:47:36] ElGranJerry: but there's no backup load that I am aware of [2015-09-04 17:48:19] Grondious60: Alright, thank you :) [2015-09-04 17:49:18] ElGranJerry: Just go for firewhirl strats if you fail anything else [2015-09-04 17:50:56] Grondious60: Just spam firewhirl and mid tonic when needed? [2015-09-04 17:51:11] ElGranJerry: no [2015-09-04 17:51:19] ElGranJerry: 3 firewhirl, heal crono and hold x [2015-09-04 17:51:39] ElGranJerry: you can't damage the head with fire [2015-09-04 18:22:49] Grondious60: Is there RNG to your stat increases on level ups? [2015-09-04 18:26:35] Grondious60: Probably a dumb question, I just noticed in Jerrys guide he said on the 2nd fight in the cave before heckram you need to check your hp/mp and I was just trying to figure out why it would ever be a different value at this point [2015-09-04 18:37:39] Obdajr: stats on level are fixed [2015-09-04 18:38:01] Obdajr: you can only alter with tabs and equipment [2015-09-04 18:40:20] Grondious60: I thought so, so do the red/green alkalines give different amounts of exp? So it affects Chrono having 148 hp/18 mp or 161 hp/20 mp by this point [2015-09-04 18:41:34] Obdajr: yeah they do, and its enough to swing that fight between two levels [2015-09-04 18:42:06] Obdajr: the fight works the same way one level back though [2015-09-04 18:44:49] ElGranJerry: ^ [2015-09-04 18:45:07] ElGranJerry: 4 oranges mean 148 because you level up in magic cave [2015-09-04 18:45:23] ElGranJerry: Not a big deal, as obda said fights work the same [2015-09-04 18:45:58] Grondious60: Ohh I see, ty :D And btw, I really enjoyed your run at agdq 2014 Obda, it is actually the reason I started wanting to speedrun this amazing game [2015-09-04 18:46:11] Obdajr: yeah you just have to watch for "did crono get counter slashed" instead of "crono hp 25 or 19" [2015-09-04 18:46:21] Obdajr: oh thanks lol [2015-09-04 18:48:48] Grondious60: how many of the items bought post zombor skip can be used in backup/improv strats? [2015-09-04 18:54:33] Obdajr: what route are you doing? [2015-09-04 18:55:00] Grondious60: any% without lss [2015-09-04 19:05:51] ElGranJerry: The 21 midtonics are a lot. You normally use way less [2015-09-04 19:06:15] ElGranJerry: You also have like 6 extra revives and shelters [2015-09-04 19:38:29] Grondious60: After getting the scripted Masamune fight and doing the reptite fights exactly like in the tutorial I am not on the right rng on the evilweevils, is there something hard to notice that messes up the rng manip here? Because I think I have only landed on the right RNG one time. And if it is messed up here, is there a backup load time on the save before nizbel to get the right rng again? [2015-09-04 19:44:13] Grondious60: The only difference I noticed was on the first reptite fight, the 3 on the right that you antipode weren't lined up with each other, although antipode still hit all 3 and the next fight played out the same [2015-09-04 19:48:56] Ottavino: for the evilweels, did you hold left+B when you arrived in the room? [2015-09-04 19:52:50] Redslash: You can mash load just outside Reptite Lair, but for this backup you want to Slash the weevils before they attack. One thing that helps with this is running beneath the hole and quickly touching the nearest weevil from there (this can make them start moving right in battle, toward Ayla) [2015-09-04 19:53:21] Grondious60: I have done left+b just running into them and I have tried rushing the hole, but the one hits Chrono for 32 instead of 34 [2015-09-04 19:54:34] Redslash: And if they attack too fast anyway it can mean you did the very fast mash, and you're good [2015-09-04 19:55:17] Redslash: Let's see, at the end of the Masa fight, do you wait for Lucca to get hit, then attack + Antipode to finish him? [2015-09-04 19:56:52] Grondious60: Ohh my god, thank you for saying that, it was my fault, in my notes I didn't have the chrono attack, just antipode which kills him (facepalm) [2015-09-04 19:59:25] Ottavino: yes, without chrono attack it doesn't advance the rng enough [2015-09-04 20:01:24] Grondious60: I see, fixing this is going to help me so much, it was driving me crazy that the RNG was never right [2015-09-04 20:03:27] Grondious60: What is the strat if just marle gets hit by masamunes counter attack? [2015-09-04 20:06:14] Grondious60: I kind of made up my own strat but I haven't checked if it sets up the RNG correctly for the next fights yet [2015-09-04 21:02:00] Redslash: After the neutralize, you can go: (Marle hit) atk, Anti, atk (Lucca hit) atk, Anti [2015-09-04 21:04:40] Redslash: If I recall, that works for both cases. If Crono is hit by the counter, then you can bump his 1st attack up ahead of the Marle hit [2015-09-04 21:09:18] Grondious60: Yep, that works, thank you :) [2015-09-04 21:25:50] eLmaGus: i wont be able to make noon for the race [2015-09-04 21:26:05] eLmaGus: my team is 50 minutes behind right now >:( [2015-09-04 21:39:04] ElGranJerry: Wow :( [2015-09-04 21:39:12] ElGranJerry: Why so far behind? [2015-09-04 21:54:33] eLmaGus: FF2 is apparantly a very RNG heavy game [2015-09-04 21:55:45] Puwexil: you mean like the whole 2nd half of this relay? :P [2015-09-04 21:56:15] eLmaGus: 1 hour difference between deln and slamdunk in a "3 hour game" [2015-09-04 21:56:25] eLmaGus: not sure the later games can hold up with that [2015-09-04 21:56:46] eLmaGus: the only reason its 50 minutes is because our FF1 runner was a lot faster [2015-09-04 21:56:49] eLmaGus: 8)))))))))))))) [2015-09-04 21:57:05] Puwexil: I've never seen much of that run, but the finale of Deln's PB looked like nonstop savescumming to avoid inescapable encounters [2015-09-04 21:57:11] eLmaGus: its gonna be so fun to trail LCC with a 50 minute difference [2015-09-04 21:57:19] Puwexil: yeahhhhh [2015-09-04 21:57:20] eLmaGus: pretty much [2015-09-04 21:57:29] eLmaGus: sigh [2015-09-04 21:57:31] Puwexil: that's why I like shorter relays [2015-09-04 21:57:54] Puwexil: if it drifts further apart it'll be really hard to keep the hype alive the rest of the relay [2015-09-04 21:58:09] eLmaGus: well i was supposed to lose time over LCC [2015-09-04 21:58:19] eLmaGus: : ( [2015-09-04 21:58:26] eLmaGus: how do i pull this out without a step route [2015-09-04 21:58:28] eLmaGus: lol [2015-09-04 21:59:06] eLmaGus: guess LCC just has to get mertoned like 7 times [2015-09-04 22:04:17] Puwexil: and hope jenja doesn't open the wrong chest in karnak again :P [2015-09-04 22:04:29] eLmaGus: oh dear oh dear [2015-09-04 22:04:32] eLmaGus: jenja has not slept yet [2015-09-04 22:04:35] eLmaGus: but i guess so has cereth [2015-09-04 22:06:41] Puwexil: I declined to participate because all of the games I'm worth anything at are graveyard for me [2015-09-04 22:07:18] eLmaGus: i cant believe they picked me for 6 [2015-09-04 22:07:21] eLmaGus: instead of bich [2015-09-04 22:07:26] Puwexil: yeah, lol [2015-09-04 22:07:38] Puwexil: he's actually been doing runs and stuff [2015-09-04 22:07:46] eLmaGus: yup i did 1 run offline as usual [2015-09-04 22:07:50] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-09-04 22:08:17] Puwexil: I offered to learn no sketch if they needed runners, but they never got back to me, so I didn't [2015-09-04 22:08:35] Puwexil: I'd like to run 6 for the next 4-6 relay if someone else can run tech [2015-09-04 22:09:35] Puwexil: maybe a short chrono relay could happen someday now that CC is getting more interest [2015-09-04 22:10:42] eLmaGus: i could run tech but for the next one probably, i would like to run in it of course but eh [2015-09-04 22:10:48] eLmaGus: i would probably end up with 6 again [2015-09-04 22:10:51] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-09-04 22:10:53] Puwexil: neerrm would probably be down for tech too [2015-09-04 22:11:27] Puwexil: or bich or any of the other guys that have done restreams for the FF4 tourney [2015-09-04 22:11:56] eLmaGus: but bich and neerrm have to run FF6 [2015-09-04 22:11:58] eLmaGus: : ) [2015-09-04 22:15:01] Redslash: When will CT be in FF relay it was one of the 2 Chronicles [2015-09-04 22:15:20] Puwexil: it was a bonus game for the relay last year :D [2015-09-04 22:15:51] Redslash: Oh yeah that's right =) That was a cool race [2015-09-04 22:17:41] Redslash: Ok also I'm paying more attention to NG+ now, we actually had the rules wrong lol [2015-09-04 22:18:50] Redslash: Timing stops on final damage numbers not the input. But also... [2015-09-04 22:29:04 | Edited 22:30:16] Redslash: Sorry, also Crono gets out of bed 8 frames faster on J?? I notice folks start timer at -7.30 upon closing the last Mom text. On J this should be -7.17 (noticed 0xA101 begins moving with negative time, lol) [2015-09-04 22:29:41] Puwexil: is the bronze fist glitch doable in real time? [2015-09-04 22:40:01] Redslash: I guess so... it's all part of the file setup, I don't think you have to worry about doing it fast =P [2015-09-04 22:41:56] Redslash: Anyway I'm surprised there's even a TAS, I had some wrong info. He even explains Berserker jumps here, it's based on enemy ID! lmao http://tasvideos.org/2113S.html [2015-09-04 22:46:40] Redslash: Yeah, documenting all the increments in RNG value is something I'm interested in... attack is a 2, slash is a 1 unless it hits multiple enemies... good stuff [2015-09-04 22:49:30] Redslash: Maybe enemy ID is also determines what it initializes to... this's a great lead [2015-09-04 22:53:31] Redslash: Well, there's also the problem of the same enemy giving different initialization in different encounters. Like in prison, missing the 1st guard is not the same value as missing the 2nd guard =( [2015-09-04 22:59:01 | Edited 23:12:14] Redslash: So maybe the initialization is just target calculation, if relative position is important (I notice initial values are shared by some 1-enemy groups, 2-enemy groups, and so on, I doubt "ID" is literally in play) [2015-09-04 23:19:03] Redslash: This knowledge would help for making backup loads.. like I actually found one for Slash that involves Desert load and delayed run from an Omnicrone... but at what point is it better to just make scripts for the other RNG strings X) [2015-09-04 23:21:47] eLmaGus: well i mean backups are great and all but we only really need them for races [2015-09-04 23:21:56] eLmaGus: lets be real if you do PB attempts and get off you reset [2015-09-04 23:21:58] eLmaGus: easy as that [2015-09-04 23:22:23] Redslash: Or, for practicing =3 [2015-09-04 23:22:35] eLmaGus: well i have save states everywhere [2015-09-04 23:22:37] eLmaGus: for practice [2015-09-04 23:22:39] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-09-04 23:22:45] Redslash: Too bad how gamesaver crashes in battle.. [2015-09-04 23:22:47] eLmaGus: i guess if you wanna prac on console [2015-09-04 23:23:06] eLmaGus: there is not too much though you necessarily have to practice on console [2015-09-04 23:24:00] Puwexil: I have a library of practice saves on my flash cart for practicing the harder battle/boss skips on console [2015-09-04 23:24:44 | Edited 23:24:53] Puwexil: was fun setting up S/A in the tyrano lair to make a practice save for the dactyl's nest skips [2015-09-04 23:25:59] Redslash: Flashcarts, man. I need one of those instead [2015-09-04 23:26:15] eLmaGus: same [2015-09-04 23:27:10] Puwexil: http://shop.krikzz.com/SD2SNES-Rev-F-SD2SNS.htm is the one I have - basically the best one out there [2015-09-04 23:27:54] Puwexil: can run pretty much any ROM that doesn't require superFX, does real-time SRAM saving to the SD card (vs on reset), and works with gamesaver [2015-09-04 23:29:41] Puwexil: oh, and being able to transfer SRAM files back and forth between cart and emulator is nice [2015-09-04 23:30:47] Redslash: I think one of the underrated features of gamesaver is you can effectively transfer save files between carts... [2015-09-04 23:30:59] Redslash: Oh you just went there. Dang, that's OP [2015-09-04 23:33:03 | Edited 23:33:27] Redslash: Ok but gamesaver could transfer an "artificial" SRAM to an actual cart... neato [2015-09-04 23:33:54] Puwexil: wow [2015-09-04 23:35:32] Redslash: Might be making an assumption... But, there's a NG+ solution? =P [2015-09-04 23:37:24 | Edited 23:38:21] Redslash: Anyway assuming it works... you could also get a special/corrupted SRAM off a cart to analyze [2015-09-04 23:39:13] Redslash: Wait... nah, I think I'm wrong [2015-09-04 23:40:08] Redslash: It's not the SRAM itself, it's just one file. But still powerful [2015-09-04 23:40:40] Puwexil: being able to transfer NG+ saves between carts would be pretty awesome [2015-09-04 23:45:52] DrunkenDraconian: I think the retron 5 can do that [2015-09-04 23:47:21] Redslash: Yeah! Someone with a SD2SNES and Gamesaver just needs to download Inichi's run. Then I'll mail you my cart with return postage X) [2015-09-04 23:57:43] Redslash: But for real though... "is it legal?" [2015-09-04 23:58:30] Redslash: I guess we'll find out. Anyway see you guys tomorrow! [2015-09-04 23:58:56] eLmaGus: cheers red [2015-09-05 8:37:03] SnesWarrior: good luck all [2015-09-05 8:38:09] Redslash: Thanks SW! [2015-09-05 8:39:11] SnesWarrior: Also welcome to the skype grp Mill and Randell, I got like 740 messages to catch up on, O.O' [2015-09-05 8:52:49] DrunkenDraconian: how are we all this fine long weekend? [2015-09-05 8:56:13] SnesWarrior: prtty good, bout to watch you guys wreck magus before my brother visits for the weekend [2015-09-05 8:58:16] DrunkenDraconian: just Obda and I in the raceroom so far.. [2015-09-05 8:58:32] Obdajr: yeah wasn't it for noon? :) [2015-09-05 8:59:01] Redslash: I can't join on irc for some reason "address is banned", so let's see.. [2015-09-05 8:59:34] DrunkenDraconian: strange [2015-09-05 8:59:38] Puwexil: 1 sec - just want to see if LCC survives Merton :P [2015-09-05 9:01:20] Ottavino: i'll be ready in 5-10 min [2015-09-05 10:14:47] Obdajr: I really hate dying to r-series [2015-09-05 10:15:23] ElGranJerry: :/ That sucks [2015-09-05 10:16:09] SnesWarrior: Yup, it is the riskiest part i'd say in a Magus RTA, so don't feel too bad [2015-09-05 10:16:54] Obdajr: i feel like sometimes they just decide to attack way more than usual, but i know its just cause im slow on the first cyclone [2015-09-05 10:19:33] SnesWarrior: There is definitely some variance depending on what battle value you get them on [2015-09-05 10:20:27] SnesWarrior: like the window for getting the first cyclone can vary depending on it so in some cases you actually have to be absurdly fast [2015-09-05 10:21:28] SnesWarrior: I actually did a really in-depth write up of all the outcomes of R-series, but it's a little different because I use shelter early, so in some cases where it says you'll die, you actually wont. I'll see if I can find it [2015-09-05 10:32:18] SnesWarrior: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Cm33sSu5vgpJkzik5BflWifVFAf3YzkKXu8Ow706xV8 - This shows your chances of succeeding if you get the first cyclone. It's actually not all that helpful unless you shelter early though... but just in case anyone wants to look at it. [2015-09-05 10:33:20] SnesWarrior: Oh and I forgot it's for just using 4 cyclones as well [2015-09-05 10:34:59] eLmaGus: finally done, how did the race go? [2015-09-05 10:35:43] SnesWarrior: everyones in prehistory atm [2015-09-05 10:35:46] SnesWarrior: on the way to nizbel [2015-09-05 10:43:54] Nihil922: looks like redslash is in the lead [2015-09-05 10:45:56] eLmaGus: dang [2015-09-05 10:57:22] Grondious60: Good afternoon everyone, and hooray, I am getting to catch the tail end of the race =D [2015-09-05 11:25:57] Grondious60: Awesome race everyone, I am hoping I can participate in the next one :) [2015-09-05 11:28:38] DrunkenDraconian: that was fun, everything waas good untill I messed up the Magus load [2015-09-05 11:28:47] DrunkenDraconian: 3 fires in a row [2015-09-05 11:29:47] Grondious60: Was close to sub 2! I am trying to get sub 2 myself lol, maybe we can both get it next week :) [2015-09-05 11:32:43] DrunkenDraconian: it's a challenge [2015-09-05 11:38:51] Grondious60: I know, I am hyped to get there eventually though [2015-09-05 12:23:58] Xenraedium: for new game+, i found a way to skip marle using ice 2 just by having her and crono attack once before using the last luminaire on inner lavos, and having crono crit with the shiva edge on the left bit of lavos core, which skips him using confuse, and never having the middle bit attack either (aside from time warp). not sure how much time this saves, but i believe it is at least a few seconds faster than the current route. i'll do some offline test runs, i suppose. [2015-09-05 19:04:53 | Edited 19:06:39] Redslash: Yo so, I'd like to petition we start Magus race from "Wait", so I don't have to delete my practice save X) [2015-09-05 19:07:05] Redslash: Just an idea though. I would not want to confuse new players about Any% timing [2015-09-05 19:08:13 | Edited 19:09:07] Redslash: (When I do runs I normally do a few false starts since I have prior saves =P >>You only have 4 frames to select NewGame) [2015-09-05 19:11:05 | Edited 19:11:16] Redslash: But on the other hand, I missed Birdskip in today's race so it didn't even matter, you know? [2015-09-05 19:11:27] DrunkenDraconian: I'm in the same boat, I don't think starting on atb select is bad. [2015-09-05 19:11:53 | Edited 19:12:28] DrunkenDraconian: starting from the intro can be strange, it starts back up very quickly [2015-09-05 19:12:33] Redslash: Race timing, right? The Magus falling cue is awesome too [2015-09-05 19:13:34] Redslash: However, it would mess with splits, especially if you're continuing after Magus, I recognize that... [2015-09-05 19:14:51] Redslash: I dunno how acceptable it is to start timer with positive value (implies you ARE skipping some of the beginning) [2015-09-05 19:15:18 | Edited 19:16:28] Redslash: But I was doing that on J runs anyway, since the accepted timing was from power on and I didn't wanna actually do that X) [2015-09-05 19:21:25] Redslash: 2.32 seconds from Title screen to Wait select.. [2015-09-05 19:23:23 | Edited 19:24:44] Redslash: When I feel like doing even more false starts I even hold Up and mash A to select Wait, lol. So 2.3 is (indeed) within human reason [2015-09-05 19:26:17] DrunkenDraconian: in the end both ways are just manipulating 00-04 and even the playfield for the race [2015-09-05 19:26:40] DrunkenDraconian: you can always retime you run later to have things match up [2015-09-05 19:28:48] Redslash: Yeah.. well F7-0A technically~ [2015-09-05 19:29:07] DrunkenDraconian: ^_^ [2015-09-05 19:29:12] ElGranJerry: Id rather make it equal for all and not be with retiming stuff. Since starting on wait time is relative. Your reaction time matters to move down and press A [2015-09-05 19:29:27] ElGranJerry: I dont mind starting on wait. But lets have a standard [2015-09-05 19:38:54] Redslash: Whoa 1 sec... this timing... [2015-09-05 19:44:15] Redslash: If you have files, 30-frame penalty... [2015-09-05 19:48:32] Redslash: See, I dunno. The option to keep an endgame practice save seems good for new players though, whether they're LSSing or fighting the shell. [2015-09-05 19:51:56] Redslash: I think the decisive argument for Newgame/Titlescreen was that that is when Gametime starts counting. But does that matter? [2015-09-05 19:53:50] Redslash: On the other hand: if you start at Wait/Active, then why not from Crono's name screen. [2015-09-05 20:05:00] ElGranJerry: Then lets start from when Crono starts moving sort of like NG+. Again I dont mind which way it is as long as it is a standard for races and runs [2015-09-05 20:05:46] Xenraedium: i was going to suggest the new game+ timing for the sake of the race, but i thought that might be too far in for it to be worth it. [2015-09-05 20:06:40] Redslash: Let's see... yeah someone just joining would have to wait through the opening cutscene =( [2015-09-05 20:07:52] ElGranJerry: I see the point about the practice files though, but I think dif timings for races and runs is too confusing [2015-09-05 20:08:17] ElGranJerry: Imo [2015-09-05 20:08:36] Redslash: In a way, race timing from Reset is easier than Title screen [2015-09-05 20:11:34] ElGranJerry: I like the timing used for normal runs [2015-09-05 20:11:34] ElGranJerry: But reset doesnt bother me either [2015-09-05 20:12:17] ElGranJerry: Reset sounds nice though [2015-09-05 20:12:44] Redslash: You can set your timer to minus something.. I forget what it is [2015-09-05 20:21:44] ElGranJerry: Yeah i do thst for mario bros sda timing [2015-09-05 20:21:49] ElGranJerry: And zeldo 1 [2015-09-05 21:14:25] Redslash: Huh I searched "2015" on Pastebin and "2015 SGDQ Games List" was a top result [2015-09-05 21:17:53] DrunkenDraconian: so OBS multiplat is kinda nice. can save my local copy of stream at a higher bitrate than i stream at [2015-09-05 21:26:53] Redslash: Sounds neat, I checked out multiplat briefly hoping it'd work with my friend's weird capture card [2015-09-05 21:30:09] Redslash: Dude where's my paste... I think -3.13 if you wanna start race at Reset but start splits from Title screen [2015-09-05 21:56:35] Redslash: Anyway, what a fun day. Can't wait to do a run on Monday [2015-09-05 22:07:52] ElGranJerry: <3 [2015-09-05 22:08:03] ElGranJerry: Race? [2015-09-05 22:12:38] Redslash: Sure, I'd be up for it. [2015-09-05 22:13:25] ElGranJerry: Around what time were you planning it? [2015-09-05 22:14:42] Redslash: Ah, trying to stream 5pm EST Mondays and Wednesdays, so somewhere around there [2015-09-05 22:15:15] Ottavino: fine for me :) [2015-09-05 22:15:22] Redslash: Suppose Magus race is the best way to go? [2015-09-05 22:15:33] ElGranJerry: Sure [2015-09-05 22:16:03] ElGranJerry: I am gonna go ahead and finish a no lss run after that. Derust late game a bit [2015-09-05 22:16:12] ElGranJerry: Ottavino Kreygasm [2015-09-05 22:16:44] Redslash: Yeah, Otta! Woo [2015-09-05 22:17:11] Redslash: Racing to Magus vs full run does simplify things [2015-09-05 22:17:12] Ottavino: also probably do a no lss today [2015-09-05 22:17:35] ElGranJerry: Nicee [2015-09-05 22:17:56] Redslash: =0 Nice, good luck [2015-09-05 22:18:17] ElGranJerry: So 5pm est magus rta race on monday? [2015-09-05 22:19:29] Ottavino: good for me [2015-09-05 22:20:24] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-09-05 22:20:46] Redslash: Sweet [2015-09-05 22:36:59] Redslash: Btw, DD, repeating to myself "don't think about Frog whistling his theme" really helped me stay focused today X) [2015-09-05 22:39:09] Redslash: I did start getting distracted though wondering if the Reptites spiked the soup... or if it was Kino [2015-09-05 22:50:32] ElGranJerry: It was kino [2015-09-05 22:50:42] ElGranJerry: What a douche [2015-09-05 22:53:06] Redslash: Yeah =/ [2015-09-05 23:04:03] ElGranJerry: That's why he deserves to be fadeout [2015-09-05 23:04:12] ElGranJerry: Tired of his excuses and whining [2015-09-06 5:17:42] DrunkenDraconian: lol, it's not so distractiong until you picture his airsacks just pumping like crazy [2015-09-06 9:05:29] Redslash: Ah yeah yeah I get what you mean now. When he does that about-face and puffs up, then the music sets in [2015-09-06 9:05:47] Redslash: Maybe that's how he communicates, frog whistles [2015-09-06 20:39:00] Redslash: No LSS theory TAS has begun [2015-09-06 22:04:46] Redslash: 1:46:02 Magus [2015-09-06 22:30:26] Redslash: Lol... forgot the earring, gg. I'll just get it later and adjust the time =P [2015-09-06 23:02:44] Ottavino: do you remember Magus time in the 2:23? [2015-09-06 23:09:19] Redslash: 1:44:45. But, this one I'm doing now isn't as optimized as the 2:23, I'll be redoing it [2015-09-06 23:12:40] Redslash: Maybe... it is still pretty good though [2015-09-07 7:44:02] DrunkenDraconian: you guys still racing later today? I might be able to join [2015-09-07 8:05:21] Ottavino: yeah! [2015-09-07 9:17:46] Redslash: Gonna try. Holiday weekend with family, I should be back before 5... there's some chance I won't =P [2015-09-07 9:19:08] Ottavino: later is ok for me [2015-09-07 11:50:59] ElGranJerry: I am not going to be able to make it, I wasn't able to get a ride home so I gotta wait until 6 now for my parents to pick me up [2015-09-07 11:51:04] ElGranJerry: :( [2015-09-07 13:50:12] Redslash: Oh man, sub-4 Wind Waker... Yeah, I will be late too. Still gonna do a run today, though it might be too late to race =( [2015-09-07 13:50:12] Redslash: However, on normal weeks, I'm trying to start runs Mon & Wed at 5pm EST [2015-09-07 13:50:13] Redslash: If anyone ever wants to race at that time, I am game for it =) [2015-09-07 14:01:12] DrunkenDraconian: Sub 4?! wow, good weekend I guess Castlevania IV finally got sub 32 [2015-09-07 15:40:33 | Edited 16:18:35] Redslash: Yeah that too! Only thing I know for sure, is that it's pb day [2015-09-07 16:49:02] ElGranJerry: Puwexil going strong! [2015-09-07 17:05:54] ElGranJerry: And there it is. Congrats on Sub 3!!! [2015-09-07 17:13:29] Redslash: Holy moly, congrats! [2015-09-07 19:36:23] Puwexil: thx guys :) [2015-09-07 23:08:50] Ottavino: Congrats on sub 3 Puwexil! [2015-09-08 5:04:45] Ottavino: that strat :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghj0Stcnj1U&t=44m5s [2015-09-08 8:23:13] Puwexil: thx otta :) [2015-09-08 8:23:37] Puwexil: I'm curious how I got off manip in magus castle though - no extra fights and got a 118 on the last ozzie switch [2015-09-08 8:28:36] eLmaGus: did you just get off for magus? [2015-09-08 8:29:04] Puwexil: yes - everything else was fine, aside from frog taking 40 dmg from the outlaw instead of 44 [2015-09-08 8:29:28] Puwexil: still got a frog crit on the 1st juggler [2015-09-08 8:29:41] eLmaGus: frog will almost always crit there, even if you are off [2015-09-08 8:29:44] eLmaGus: that much i know [2015-09-08 8:31:39] eLmaGus: your magus fight looks normal to me [2015-09-08 8:31:42] eLmaGus: : 3 [2015-09-08 8:31:51] Puwexil: I reseeded after ozzie [2015-09-08 8:31:57] eLmaGus: ooooo [2015-09-08 8:32:00] eLmaGus: but why : ( [2015-09-08 8:32:49] Puwexil: wasn't sure if 118 would work for magus or not - didn't feel like risking the run [2015-09-08 8:33:11] Puwexil: though that reset + failing 3rd bird skip were the main reasons I didnt' get a 2:58 [2015-09-08 8:33:32] Redslash: I think you killed 2nd groupie too fast (he idly increments RNG). Slash-slurpcut-slurpcut-slash is safer, or just wait for Outlaw's attack then do 2nd slash [2015-09-08 8:34:21] eLmaGus: dont you need to slash onto the bird [2015-09-08 8:34:22] eLmaGus: there [2015-09-08 8:34:23] Puwexil: ah, ok - either something like that or running from one of the fights after slash too slowly were my guesses [2015-09-08 8:34:37] eLmaGus: i have it specifically in my notes that i have to slurp cut and slash on the bird [2015-09-08 8:34:51] eLmaGus: instead of slashing the groupie immediatley [2015-09-08 8:35:18] Puwexil: I've always done that fight as slash/slurpcut/slash/outlaw attacks frog/slurpcut with no issues [2015-09-08 8:35:36] eLmaGus: huh [2015-09-08 8:35:37] eLmaGus: strange [2015-09-08 8:35:40] eLmaGus: the one time i did that [2015-09-08 8:35:41] eLmaGus: i got off [2015-09-08 8:35:45] Puwexil: though if there's a better strat I'm all ears [2015-09-08 8:35:56] eLmaGus: always done slash/slurpcut/wait/slurpcut/slash [2015-09-08 8:36:12] eLmaGus: well "wait" is attack from the guy [2015-09-08 8:36:38] eLmaGus: there is the shelter skip setup that should be faster [2015-09-08 8:37:13] eLmaGus: but way harder to execute from what i saw [2015-09-08 8:37:16] Puwexil: shelter skip? interesting [2015-09-08 8:37:25] Puwexil: lately I've just been mid-tonicing frog before magus [2015-09-08 8:37:54] eLmaGus: red you do shelter skip in your PB i assume? [2015-09-08 8:40:07] Redslash: Yeah. Not very cleanly though [2015-09-08 8:41:25] eLmaGus: i know that he outlaw/groupie fight has to be handled differently with that so you might wanna check that if you want a different setup [2015-09-08 8:41:43] eLmaGus: from what i know its harder to execute though [2015-09-08 8:42:35] eLmaGus: oh yeah and by the way [2015-09-08 8:42:41] eLmaGus: congrats on sub 3 lol [2015-09-08 8:42:54] eLmaGus: totally forgot to congratulate haha :D [2015-09-08 8:42:59] Puwexil: haha, thx [2015-09-08 8:44:33] Redslash: Ok I didn't remember how No LSS went, it looked weird to me. It's fine in my pb [2015-09-08 8:44:45] eLmaGus: hah nice [2015-09-08 8:44:48] Puwexil: the 2:36 one? [2015-09-08 8:44:54] eLmaGus: i gotta learn all the cool stuff at some point [2015-09-08 8:45:06] eLmaGus: most notably EoT SA [2015-09-08 8:46:55] Redslash: My 2:58. Actually no it IS weird! There's an easier way [2015-09-08 8:54:37] Redslash: It's the same fight as in LSS route but with Marle [2015-09-08 8:55:12] Redslash: https://goo.gl/igt76v SMV if you'd like it (Snes9x151-rr) [2015-09-08 8:57:50] Redslash: I had Marle attacking before Frog previously, and it was really tricky [2015-09-08 10:34:05] Redslash: Another thing that can be worthwhile is Laserspin strat vs 4 Jugglers. It's a tiny bit faster because 1 less swap, but it also saves Crono 4 MP (then don't need to use Ether during Magus) [2015-09-08 10:35:35] eLmaGus: oh Lucca doesnt need the TP? [2015-09-08 10:48:01] Redslash: Nah. Doesn't affect her level either [2015-09-08 10:48:45] Redslash: Here's Groupies + Jugglers together https://goo.gl/mfxr9z [2015-09-08 10:48:58] eLmaGus: niceeeeeeeee [2015-09-08 10:49:40] Redslash: The thing to note is to hesitate your first Slash on Juggler. Helps make sure Robo gets his turn before Crono's 2nd turn [2015-09-08 10:50:39] eLmaGus: snes9x 1.51? [2015-09-08 11:02:34] eLmaGus: i think every run that doesnt use this should be automatically disqualified [2015-09-08 11:02:46] eLmaGus: 2 Laser Spins (cool) [2015-09-08 11:10:19] Redslash: Lol, pretty much [2015-09-08 11:10:53] Redslash: Snes9x 1.51-rr, ye [2015-09-08 11:11:01] eLmaGus: yeah i got that after trying a bit [2015-09-08 11:11:02] eLmaGus: heh [2015-09-08 11:11:13] eLmaGus: we should make a database for these videos though [2015-09-08 11:11:25] eLmaGus: that could be quiet helpful to runners [2015-09-08 11:13:08] Redslash: Huh, yeah. Short smv's like this could be useful [2015-09-08 11:18:00] Grondious60: Grats on sub 3 puwexil! (party) [2015-09-08 15:01:29] Redslash: Ooh, low bitrate recordings... 256x224 looks pretty decent at 200kbps [2015-09-09 2:31:11] Redslash: Yo so, let me know if this looks too crazy http://chrono2.wikidot.com [2015-09-09 3:04:27 | Edited 3:09:52] Redslash: Sidebar makes mobile awful, but mobile page could be a thing [2015-09-09 6:17:02] SnesWarrior: Niiice! Looks clean to me, good work! [2015-09-09 7:00:03] Ottavino: yes, i like it! [2015-09-09 7:07:52] Puwexil: looks good to me [2015-09-09 11:40:37] Redslash: Cool, thanks guys =) I decided to link to our wiki / screenshot guide from the menubar [2015-09-09 11:42:32] Redslash: I was feeling inspired to rough out a "quick stream setup" guide too, think it'd be useful? [2015-09-09 11:43:48] Puwexil: I'd think another site would already have a good one we could link to [2015-09-09 11:51:08] Redslash: Right on, I just figured there wouldn't be many stream guides specific to speedrunning SNES on Twitch... I also had a lot to say about mIRC, lol [2015-09-09 11:59:40] Redslash: Kinda the angle I took is: if you wanted to join the race but you've never streamed before, how fast could you do it X) [2015-09-09 12:10:10] ElGranJerry: Srl has a good mirc tutorial you could link to if needed. I dont think there's one for races but i might be wrong [2015-09-09 12:34:26] Redslash: Ah does it? Hmm, the idea of running through all these programs on 1 page is still appealing to me, I'm simply thinking of cool pages Srwatcher could create though [2015-09-09 12:38:07 | Edited 12:43:07] Redslash: I do believe our "infobase" could be 1 big page with expandable sections. Don't wanna have him add a page we might not make use of =) [2015-09-09 12:48:16] Redslash: Anyway, still trying to decide how to feature the Magus race. Maybe menubar [2015-09-09 14:15:51 | Edited 14:16:10] Redslash: Set menubar back to default, too much hassle. Think this's better http://chrono2.wikidot.com And since I collected all the route links from Strategies, we can turn that into Wiki page [2015-09-09 20:11:34] ElGranJerry: Page looks great, but any% jp, us and no lss should be separated in some way (again). Not just by a jp tag [2015-09-09 20:11:46] ElGranJerry: Other than that it looks amazing [2015-09-09 20:12:09] ElGranJerry: Gj red [2015-09-09 22:41:45] Redslash: Mm, I don't agree with separating US and JP. But here's LSS separated [2015-09-09 22:42:10] Puwexil: did we actually agree to that - I heard some people say they didn't want it [2015-09-09 22:48:58] Redslash: I think the only voice I've heard opposed was Elmagus' warning that a separation might probably create drama fuel [2015-09-09 22:49:11] Puwexil: obda said no - IIRC someone else did too [2015-09-09 22:49:15] Puwexil: I don't care either way [2015-09-09 22:49:18] Redslash: Part of what we voted on was to merge US and JP. As for LSS/No LSS... [2015-09-09 22:49:51] Redslash: Oh right Obda had good input too [2015-09-09 22:50:01] Puwexil: I'm just talking LSS distinctions [2015-09-09 22:51:15] Redslash: Imo, in the end a separation isn't necessary if people understand the differences, which is ultimately what I'm pushing toward by adding new stuff to the site [2015-09-09 22:52:13] Grondious60: I had a question about LSS, if executed correctly does it work 100% of the time or is there rng to it in addition to the trick being insane? [2015-09-09 22:54:31] Redslash: There's randomness in it, which I would argue is the only insanity left =) [2015-09-09 22:57:51 | Edited 22:58:12] Redslash: There's a 2-frame window to hit, but it comes every 4-frames in a cycle, so it's not too terrible. Then on Japanese it's purely 75% that it works with perfect execution (just like EoT Save-Anywhere), but on English it's like 37.5% or something [2015-09-09 22:59:21] Grondious60: How much time do you lose if it fails? [2015-09-09 22:59:36] Grondious60: Or for each failure I mean [2015-09-09 23:01:11] Redslash: On Japanese 20 seconds, on English 30+ (depending on your setup) [2015-09-09 23:04:28] Grondious60: I do remember obdas point referencing iceless and really liked it, but iceless does have no RNG to it, it is just extremely difficult, so a different catagory for LSS might make more sense here not just because it is a difficult trick but also because there is RNG to it and it is so late in the run, but this is just my personal input :) [2015-09-09 23:28:21] Obdajr: I see your point but stand by my reasoning :) [2015-09-09 23:30:14] Obdajr: "no lss" isn't really a restriction but a choice [2015-09-09 23:31:27] Obdajr: splitting hairs on categories kinda just leads to confusion and needless complications, the goal of both runs are the same [2015-09-09 23:31:50] Grondious60: And honestly, I put in my vote but as a new player to CT speedruns I don't mind either way, LSS being a thing doesn't hinder me from wanting to play the game and learn the no lss route [2015-09-09 23:32:26] Puwexil: that's why I don't care personally - I do runs to have fun and challenge myself, not because of leaderboards [2015-09-09 23:32:46] Obdajr: im also fine either way, just my two cents [2015-09-09 23:34:13] Obdajr: its an interesting topic [2015-09-09 23:41:20] Grondious60: I do wonder, if metroid skip only had a 37.5% success rate and failure put you back at the start of Tourian with your ammo back instead of getting past the metroid and just losing some time, if they would put it in a seperate catagory or just leave it for the people crazy enough to go for it, and yeah, it's all about having fun but an interesting topic for sure :) [2015-09-09 23:42:16] Obdajr: yeah im trying to think of other examples that separate categories for rng based route changes [2015-09-09 23:44:34] Grondious60: There's none that comes to my mind, but I am not very in tune with enough speed games to know [2015-09-09 23:46:17] Redslash: I've been prone to think of CT as kind of a unique case (as far as RPGs go at least), just cuz we control all the RNG except the Guards & Alkalines (early game stuff)... and now here's LSS [2015-09-09 23:47:13] Obdajr: yeah the CT speedrun is pretty close to who can follow the script as closely as possible without lss [2015-09-09 23:47:54] Obdajr: and really it still is with lss, you just have to reset until you succeed the trick [2015-09-10 0:20:03] Redslash: Man, idk. I think sub-categories kinda works though for now, while we're in this "transition" period [2015-09-10 0:25:59] Redslash: Maybe we should ask reddit [2015-09-10 0:48:37] Redslash: If you think of LSS as "Lavos Shell glitch" (you can even frame the "gaining control OoB" as random), then a separate cat sounds more justifiable [2015-09-10 0:59:28 | Edited 1:00:20] Redslash: Let's still hold off on "banning LSS" though, I want a good start on the wiki before doing the stunt, so people have something to read [2015-09-10 3:43:07] ElGranJerry: It's a different route. You cant so no lss route then decide ok I am gonna try lss and get a good time. And you cant do any% and decide oh i am gonna fight the shell today, you wont have the levels [2015-09-10 3:43:56] ElGranJerry: All category definitions are choices... ff6 no sketch, oot any% no ww, ff4 no 64, etc... [2015-09-10 3:47:00] ElGranJerry: If it was same route and lss was the only diff then it would be dumb, but things do change quite a few [2015-09-10 4:17:59] ElGranJerry: It's not really banning lss also. Its in one catrgory but not in the other. People can pick their poison [2015-09-10 4:22:11] ElGranJerry: But honestly because there's good input on both sides we should vote (everyone thats interested) and go with that [2015-09-10 4:35:04] ElGranJerry: although I think most of us have voted already [2015-09-10 10:45:14] Redslash: i just mean that when it comes to defining a new category, putting it in terms of the route (runs that fight vs runs that skip the shell) isn't enough. If it strongly bans something, so that the goals are clearly unique, then the perceived need for a separate category is stronger [2015-09-10 11:29:31] ElGranJerry: aah kk gotcha [2015-09-11 7:35:10] Puwexil: SGDQ CT run's up now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K783J1VtiZY if someone wants to add it to the wiki [2015-09-11 11:51:38] Redslash: Done. Also made sure some marathon vids had timestamps =) [2015-09-11 12:25:38] DrunkenDraconian: Race hype! [2015-09-11 13:17:18] Grondious60: What time is it tomorrow? I really really wanted to make it but I am not sure if I can now because my grandparents are randomly visiting [2015-09-11 13:43:33] DrunkenDraconian: The originally agreed time was 2 EST, go with that I guess unless we agree on another time [2015-09-11 18:29:38] Redslash: Hmm, I manually made hitboxes red (for any%) http://pastebin.com/qRUvWatK [2015-09-11 18:31:31] Redslash: Also enlarged input display for small screenshots/videos, think it's good to go [2015-09-11 21:49:31] Redslash: Hmm, earring would make Retinite safer... but I guess I'd still skip the stud [2015-09-11 21:54:41] Redslash: If you skip buying Fulltonics (or just get a few), you can buy Ethers in Enhasa, basically same price [2015-09-12 0:37:17] Redslash: So, you can do name changes in 65M after Ocean Palace, i.e. during Sunstone quest... anyone thought of using this to extend bid wars? lol [2015-09-12 0:43:07 | Edited 0:43:28] Redslash: Although since you get Silver Rock you may need to show off Spin Strike in Ozzie's Fort, as you're Robo-Ayla-Frog after reviving Crono (#TeamAyla) [2015-09-12 9:16:08] DrunkenDraconian: Is anyone interested in racing? If not I'm going to get drunk (beer) [2015-09-12 9:19:29] Obdajr: ill race! [2015-09-12 9:20:00] Redslash: I'm setting up. But why not both? Kappab [2015-09-12 9:20:14] Ottavino: i'll be in! [2015-09-12 9:21:10] Obdajr: yeah I hear alcohol increases your ability to concentrate Kappa [2015-09-12 9:21:45] DrunkenDraconian: maybe you... I get sloppy [2015-09-12 9:22:25] DrunkenDraconian: so 40ish min then? [2015-09-12 9:26:00] ElGranJerry: I'll be watching :) [2015-09-12 9:26:36] Puwexil: I'll pass this week - maybe next time [2015-09-12 10:04:09] Redslash: About ready to go [2015-09-12 10:05:56] DrunkenDraconian: calling all racers! [2015-09-12 10:06:22] DrunkenDraconian: ganD and Randell were you guys racing today? [2015-09-12 12:30:34] DrunkenDraconian: Another sucessful weekly! I've been slowly working on noob guide for magus RTA so hopefully we can get some new blood. [2015-09-12 13:23:56] Ottavino: for all fans of CT music, there is an awesome reorchestration made by Blake Robinson, you can hear some tracks here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y10E2b1s6k [2015-09-12 13:24:18] Puwexil: ooo [2015-09-12 13:47:24] DrunkenDraconian: this is great [2015-09-12 13:52:02] ElGranJerry: Amazing [2015-09-12 13:56:58] Ottavino: frog's theme is my phone ring :) [2015-09-12 15:12:01] Grondious60: Wow, this is incredible, thanks for sharing otta :) [2015-09-15 20:11:16] Redslash: Yo, I improved the Rolyriders, think it saves ~2.5 sec http://goo.gl/8Qy3fD [2015-09-15 20:13:16] Redslash: I was really searching for a non-crit on the Nagas, but oh well (this just gives you crit B7 instead of B5) [2015-09-16 0:50:45] eLmaGus: do you have to wait in the first battle? [2015-09-16 7:50:53] Redslash: Yep, Crono waits on his last attack, so Lucca can target the same [2015-09-16 7:51:48 | Edited 7:52:00] Redslash: Also, his 1st atk needs to be on the lowest of the 3, not the middle guy [2015-09-16 8:36:45] eLmaGus: awesome thats what i always did anyways [2015-09-16 8:36:50] eLmaGus: minus the waiting of course [2015-09-16 8:36:54] eLmaGus: easy enough [2015-09-16 8:37:17] eLmaGus: naga-ette etc the same from there? [2015-09-16 8:38:46] Redslash: Yeah [2015-09-16 9:46:59] eLmaGus: awesome [2015-09-16 9:47:06] eLmaGus: im glad i didnt start redoing savestates yet [2015-09-16 9:47:07] eLmaGus: : ) [2015-09-16 9:47:16] eLmaGus: although i suppose it doesnt make a difference heh [2015-09-16 13:42:42] Ottavino: nice new strat :) [2015-09-16 19:27:21] Redslash: What a run, 25 min LSS X) [2015-09-16 19:27:36] Redslash: Guess I'll switch back to J now~ [2015-09-17 18:38:48] Redslash: Alright, so fixing up hitbox viewer, manually adding a bunch of triggers... [2015-09-17 18:45:17] Redslash: But I found a funny "backup" for Captain Skip? Closing the "caught" text on the drumbeat, holding down+left while party regroups, then hold B on the next drumbeat to start running... having weird success with that [2015-09-17 18:46:45] Puwexil: my backup is to walk 2 pixels down and run left [2015-09-17 18:54:09] Redslash: The 28-frame cycle though, the music somehow puts you on track. I dunno, it's worth checking out [2015-09-17 18:56:56] Redslash: 28 frames = ~129bpm; I'm no musician but it does sound close to the bgm [2015-09-17 18:57:33] Puwexil: cool - I've messed around a lot with backups for that skip, but never thought to use the music [2015-09-17 19:01:37] Redslash: Yeah wow, it's like spot on... what kind of coincidence is that [2015-09-17 19:22:03] Redslash: If this is actually a thing, all credit to Otta, got me paying attention to music cues. Also it's his skip ; ) [2015-09-17 23:33:46] Obdajr: (Y) [2015-09-18 17:25:35] Ottavino: i won't be available for the race tomorrow, but if anyone wants to race sunday, it'll be good [2015-09-19 8:03:13 | Edited 8:03:41] DrunkenDraconian: I'm in the same boat unfortunately for today. Tomorrow is fine for me too though. [2015-09-19 9:57:47] eLmaGus: so nobody racing today? : ( [2015-09-19 9:59:43] DrunkenDraconian: I have to leave within the hour, I'm game for sometime tomorrow [2015-09-19 9:59:43] Redslash: I'll be on soon. But I'm watching Spike, lol [2015-09-19 10:00:04] eLmaGus: :< [2015-09-19 10:05:53] Redslash: Ok I broke free [2015-09-19 10:08:04] eLmaGus: as soon as i tuned in [2015-09-19 10:08:10] eLmaGus: : )> [2015-09-19 10:09:55] Redslash: Loool [2015-09-19 10:10:24] Redslash: Aw gamesaver ate all my saves, rip practice [2015-09-19 10:10:50] DrunkenDraconian: Naki-tech strikes again [2015-09-19 10:11:08] eLmaGus: who else would be interested today [2015-09-19 10:12:15] Redslash: Good one DD... 泣 [2015-09-19 10:18:52] DrunkenDraconian: sorry 泣thump [2015-09-19 10:23:03] eLmaGus: well then i guess im going to donate my points [2015-09-19 10:26:42] eLmaGus: should i make a channel? [2015-09-19 10:27:01] DrunkenDraconian: ugh the struggle, want to ditch plans and race [2015-09-19 10:32:44] eLmaGus: #srl-1reao [2015-09-19 18:58:03 | Edited 19:00:17] Redslash: Ah dang, for 1st Dactyl skip: the X-position you need is even, so keep Run held the whole time. If you're off your mark then it's by 2 pixels minimum rather than 1, so it's easier to see [2015-09-20 5:25:42] eLmaGus: were you guys thinking 2 PM EST for todays race? [2015-09-20 5:55:46] Ottavino: 2pm est is fine for me [2015-09-20 8:35:02] DrunkenDraconian: me too [2015-09-20 9:49:02] Redslash: I thought I could join, but nay... I will watch this one guys [2015-09-20 9:49:39] Puwexil: busy chat modding the mario rpg marathon on the RPGLB channel, so can't today [2015-09-20 10:02:07] DrunkenDraconian: you still up for the race Magus? [2015-09-20 10:03:45] eLmaGus: i am but im still in in a run for 15-20 [2015-09-20 10:04:09] eLmaGus: if u cant wait you can start without me thouh [2015-09-20 10:05:33] Ottavino: i can wait, np [2015-09-20 10:06:44] DrunkenDraconian: yeah i can too [2015-09-20 10:28:45] eLmaGus: you guys still waiting? : > [2015-09-20 10:28:50] Ottavino: yep [2015-09-20 10:28:56] eLmaGus: aight i will get ready [2015-09-20 12:47:52] eLmaGus: gg guys [2015-09-20 12:48:29] DrunkenDraconian: vggs [2015-09-20 12:48:37] Ottavino: gg all! [2015-09-20 12:49:26] Ottavino: will be there a spooky magus race at halloween like last year? [2015-09-20 12:49:58] DrunkenDraconian: sounds like there should be [2015-09-20 12:50:23] Ottavino: cool [2015-09-20 12:50:41] Redslash: Halloween on Saturday, so yes Kappa [2015-09-20 12:50:46] DrunkenDraconian: or super spooky magus vs magus [2015-09-20 12:51:06] Redslash: ^ Probably should [2015-09-20 12:51:11] Ottavino: yeah, good idea [2015-09-20 12:51:44] SnesWarrior: As long as you do Bekkler's tent afterwards for ultimate spooky [2015-09-20 12:52:21] Redslash: All clones race [2015-09-20 12:55:28] Redslash: Magus vs Magus wouldn't be too bad, really. IIRC the castle stays cleared out? [2015-09-20 12:56:12] DrunkenDraconian: yeah it's what 3-4h [2015-09-20 12:57:15] Redslash: And it's a chance to show off BiT without even the Greendream detour [2015-09-20 12:59:33] SnesWarrior: After getting Magus you can just go straight from Future to Magus castle, right? no reprogressing triggers or anything? [2015-09-20 13:00:59] Redslash: Yep, basically [2015-09-20 13:02:16] Redslash: Magus front door cutscene would re-enable party switching, heh [2015-09-20 13:02:58] SnesWarrior: Nice lol, sounds like fun then. Will give me a good reason to start derusting [2015-09-20 13:03:21] Redslash: Ohh w8, gotta revive Crono... small details [2015-09-20 13:03:34] DrunkenDraconian: oh right [2015-09-20 13:03:51] DrunkenDraconian: Lavos spawns are a bit spooky [2015-09-20 13:04:12] Redslash: Yes [2015-09-20 13:04:36] Redslash: Esp. w/o Greendream [2015-09-20 13:05:40] SnesWarrior: That'll be fun, haven't climbed death peak in awhile .. [2015-09-20 13:07:20] DrunkenDraconian: I've got some real free time this week, So I'll work on Magus race guide and this [2015-09-20 13:09:10] DrunkenDraconian: would be good to have something that people can follow and practice before the thing [2015-09-20 13:10:26] Redslash: Right on. Maybe you'd wanna go Doomsickle strats for the Spawns, since I don't think anyone but Magus will survive the needles [2015-09-20 13:10:35] Redslash: (I will try this, hehe) [2015-09-20 13:12:46] Redslash: And my other project will be alternative Magus scripts... cuz that backup load is pretty BS... =P [2015-09-20 13:12:56] SnesWarrior: Any help for this scrub who doesn't know anything outside of any% is appreciated ;^) [2015-09-20 13:13:43] DrunkenDraconian: if i had all my old files i could have pulled up old 100% [2015-09-20 13:13:47] DrunkenDraconian: i was on that load [2015-09-20 13:13:54] Redslash: There IS the Kilaye mash-load scripts... haven't looked at those in quite a while [2015-09-20 13:30:50] Ottavino: i'm not sure you need to revive chrono, it is a while but i think i recleared the castle with magus, ayla and frog [2015-09-20 13:31:46] Redslash: Ah, to re-fight R Series though, I believe you need him... [2015-09-20 13:31:52] Ottavino: does someone has a save with BiT at epoch? [2015-09-20 13:32:07] Ottavino: oh right [2015-09-20 13:32:43] Ottavino: i forgot this battle :-( [2015-09-20 13:39:07] SnesWarrior: Would it be possible to activate BiT just before Chrono dies, fight R-series, then kill Crono? Or once you activate a story trigger does it null all previous triggers? [2015-09-20 13:42:10] Redslash: Hmm.. yeah, it's a "storyline counter" byte, if you go to Zeal then Magus Castle will get closed off again [2015-09-20 13:42:40] SnesWarrior: Dang, I kinda figured it would work like that =/ [2015-09-20 14:56:49] Redslash: I found a Magus script using double-bright load that's the same speed as normal script =3 [2015-09-20 14:57:39] Redslash: Er you know, Reverse Bird / Prison load [2015-09-20 14:58:39] Puwexil: does it set up good tyrano lair fights too? [2015-09-20 15:00:24] Redslash: Ah idk, I'll check Reptites [2015-09-20 15:30:36] Redslash: That is a negative, would only be good for Magus race [2015-09-20 15:34:33] Redslash: Looks like a script for A7 (Ozzie 117-118-119-118) should be possible [2015-09-20 15:40:28] Redslash: But, I don't like having to use Curebeam to increment rng, lol. I'll work on it some more later [2015-09-20 17:26:37] Redslash: Btw here's "double-bright" http://goo.gl/Uuoj5Z [2015-09-20 17:29:51] Redslash: The trick to it: use Frog's 2nd attack to stop ATB, so Crono can do 2nd Lightning before Magus attacks. It's not really tough [2015-09-20 17:35:36] Redslash: Ha ha, or mash. I forgot I moved the Midtonic around, so now Robo isn't in the way =P [2015-09-20 18:01:06] Redslash: Here's some thoughts on it http://pastebin.com/vdxJFYVG [2015-09-20 18:04:54] DrunkenDraconian: cool stuff I'll try that out [2015-09-20 18:11:07] Redslash: It'd be fine to use in a full run, but you'll probably wanna bright load before Dactyl Nest... [2015-09-20 19:15:58] Redslash: Hmm btw, this fight is ~5 seconds faster, so reload after isn't too bad... [2015-09-20 19:18:45 | Edited 19:20:40] Redslash: Maybe more, since timing to the 1st spell cast (3020-3030hp), I'm 8 seconds ahead of theory TAS fight, but then unoptimized 2nd phases [2015-09-20 19:52:06] Redslash: Thinkin about a better RNG display... like a ruler across the bottom of the screen (256 pixels) [2015-09-21 8:54:07] eLmaGus: are there any smv for EoT save anywhere [2015-09-21 9:02:58] eLmaGus: and shelter skip magus fight [2015-09-21 9:03:01] eLmaGus: : > ) [2015-09-21 9:10:30] eLmaGus: if not could anybody point me towards a PB of someone that shows it off [2015-09-21 9:11:05] Puwexil: I got the shelter skip strats from red's PB [2015-09-21 9:12:10] eLmaGus: no LSS or LSS PB [2015-09-21 9:12:31] Puwexil: both I think [2015-09-21 9:12:40] Puwexil: though I watched no LSS since LSS route doesn't use marle there IIRC [2015-09-21 9:16:01] eLmaGus: thanks that would just leave the EoT save anywhere [2015-09-21 9:32:55] ElGranJerry: Red did a eot sa tutorial [2015-09-21 9:33:10] ElGranJerry: Ita on youtube, lemme try and find it [2015-09-21 9:34:19] ElGranJerry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC5kKeRQ5oo [2015-09-21 9:40:49] eLmaGus: perfect thanks [2015-09-21 9:56:27] eLmaGus: seems "easy" enough [2015-09-21 9:56:28] eLmaGus: in theory [2015-09-21 9:57:14] eLmaGus: i got it a few times too, the double tap determines the success of being able to open the party switch after the pillar sound? [2015-09-21 9:58:58] eLmaGus: it seems that way alright [2015-09-21 9:59:01] eLmaGus: doesnt seem too bad [2015-09-21 13:58:09] Ottavino: it seems that the frame on the second tap determines the success of being able to open the party [2015-09-21 14:01:05] Ottavino: 4 frames pattern: 3 frames are good, 1 frame is bad, so 75% of success [2015-09-21 14:08:56] Ottavino: but the gap between gaspar textbox and 600 ad textbox isn't constant [2015-09-21 14:12:55] Ottavino: if you press the second A on the 600 ad textbox, you get the same outcome (bad frames are when you press A at Go to ", Go to "Truc, Go to "Truce Ca, etc.), so if you can see the frame, you can always get it [2015-09-21 14:17:50] Redslash: Ohhh... interesting, Otta. I need to check this out [2015-09-21 14:18:42] Redslash: Skype wasn't loading for me earlier, heh. EoT S/A hype [2015-09-21 14:23:11] Redslash: Here's also a new way to visualize RNG http://pastebin.com/kwXCLn1X [2015-09-21 14:24:28] Redslash: It's pretty cool watching how fights initialize, should be easier to see patterns with this [2015-09-21 14:25:09] Ottavino: that rainbow rng :) [2015-09-21 14:26:50] Redslash: Hehe. I wanted Desert to be yellow, Truce Canyon to be green... then went from there =) [2015-09-21 14:29:57] Ottavino: it's very cool! [2015-09-21 15:40:50] eLmaGus: looks like i gotta start seeing frames now [2015-09-21 15:40:52] eLmaGus: damn [2015-09-21 15:41:09] eLmaGus: btw if you guys were watching and saw something bad feel free to point it out [2015-09-21 15:50:51] Redslash: Yeah, tough trick now lol. I'm trying to tap when the box fully opens ("G"/"Go"/"Go ") [2015-09-21 15:52:35] Redslash: At least it's still 75% "minimum," if you're tapping during this text box =P [2015-09-21 15:55:19] Redslash: Oh yeah Magus, you ran to the bucket instead of walking. I remember it this way: once you touch the lamp, hands off run [2015-09-21 15:55:41] Ottavino: that's what i wanted to say ^ [2015-09-21 16:02:51] Redslash: I tripped up on that in my tutorial vid too. It's about time to remake it soon [2015-09-21 16:12:37] SnesWarrior: Uh oh... I got to truce canyon on my cart just fine, but I let the intro play out and it freezes at frog squash every time... maybe its acting weird because of game saver? [2015-09-21 16:15:45] Redslash: For me, it freezes in most battles. Can't get past Blue Imps usually... [2015-09-21 16:19:07] Redslash: Actually, if you don't have a state saved yet, seems like that allows some fights to pass [2015-09-21 16:21:09] Redslash: I'm still looking for the "magic combination" that prevents saves from wiping... I wanna say that plugging in all the cables before the cart is important [2015-09-21 16:23:09] SnesWarrior: Got past blue imps so maybe I'm good for awhile. Just thought it was weird it locked in intro cinematic without a state saved yet.. Used to games only breaking when you load states [2015-09-21 16:25:34] Redslash: Certain battle animations will always cause a freeze, cuz they have to decompress or something. It's too bad there's no gamesaver code for CT [2015-09-21 16:25:48] Ottavino: if you use a adapter requiring two cartridges you can't use two cartridges with a save battery in both, it wipes your saves, but i don't think you need this on a snes us [2015-09-21 17:37:52] Redslash: Hmmm, metronome at 225? =D [2015-09-21 17:41:55 | Removed 17:46:29] Redslash: This message has been removed. [2015-09-21 17:45:56] Redslash: Wait no no no. This is the same problem [2015-09-21 17:49:23] Redslash: I was tricked by the "hey, this works quite often!" effect X) [2015-09-22 13:25:50] Redslash: Ha ha, I'm understanding Flea's AI better... if manipulation breaks, it's because someone is asleep. Just wake them up and let Frog continue (Flea will do Prismbeam/Poison then stand still again) [2015-09-22 13:27:34] Redslash: Aside from that, at half health (2100) The Stare is based on RNG, which can be manipulated by extra attacks... [2015-09-22 13:28:05] Puwexil: what exactly casuses the flea stunlock again? berserk frog and flea's 1st turns clashing with each other or something? [2015-09-22 13:33:21] Redslash: I suspect it may be that Frog "attacked last", maybe combined with his Berserk "status," prevents WindWaltz from targetting actually anyone [2015-09-22 13:34:17] Redslash: It's a targetting calculation that doesn't appear anywhere else (080800), and idk what it's really doing [2015-09-22 13:35:14] Puwexil: so like the castle crush skip in DKC2 [2015-09-22 13:35:18] Puwexil: sort of understood, but not really [2015-09-22 13:36:41] Redslash: Hehe, right on... Something that'd be cool to understand, but has no other application X) [2015-09-22 13:40:03] Redslash: Now, if Frog gets sleeped, things could be complicated, haven't played with that yet. But waking Robo up, things proceed just fine [2015-09-22 13:41:29] Redslash: (Sleeped/slept, w/e... surely not "put to sleep") [2015-09-22 14:58:16] Redslash: Alright, now for Slash... because of how Berserker jumps, the set of possible crit-sequences may be manageable (looking at 30ish)... maybe one could deduce it within the first few moves [2015-09-23 13:34:54] Grondious60: If Masa hits Lucca for 30 does that mean you loaded the save too early at the base of the mountain? [2015-09-23 17:11:33] Redslash: Ah, I'll check on that rq [2015-09-23 17:51:15] Redslash: That'd be late, actually. Window is from 0.8-1.5, shoot for ~1 sec [2015-09-23 17:56:00] Grondious60: Ohhh ok, thank you! I will probably be streaming some practice runs to magus tonight :) [2015-09-23 18:29:12] Redslash: Nice, I will try to catch it =) [2015-09-23 19:41:32] ElGranJerry: Would someone be able to replace me running any% at srx this saturday? 12:25 est [2015-09-23 19:41:55] ElGranJerry: Pm [2015-09-23 19:45:43] DrunkenDraconian: do they have the ability to multicast? We could give them a race to magus ;) [2015-09-23 19:50:56] ElGranJerry: Any% is set because the schedule is finalized [2015-09-23 20:07:32] Redslash: Hmm, I'd be willing to give it a shot [2015-09-23 21:12:05] Redslash: Ok so, I'm gonna go ham on it for my boy Jerry. No LSS [2015-09-23 21:13:06] DrunkenDraconian: That's hype! [2015-09-23 21:13:55] DrunkenDraconian: we should move the race later or to Sunday so it doesn't conflict [2015-09-23 22:20:40] Redslash: Dang, sometimes a bummer trying to learn about these marathons and there's not much to find. I messaged r/Speedrun to list it in Upcoming Marathons X) [2015-09-23 22:22:07] Redslash: Don't see what charity it's for yet, lol. But that's ok. Should be awesome. [2015-09-23 22:22:47] Grondious60: if you fail the canyon skip before magus castle does it mess up the rng? [2015-09-23 22:23:24] Redslash: Ah yeah it does. Reload 1.5-2.4 required [2015-09-23 22:25:36] Redslash: What you can do is enter castle, run up the left and right, then go out and save just before facing the Henches/Bats [2015-09-23 22:25:55] Redslash: You can even do your equipment (Berserker on Frog) before the Henches; Frog does an extra attack but it's not a big deal [2015-09-23 22:27:29] Grondious60: alright ty :) I am hoping I get a good Pb this run, well good for me lol [2015-09-23 22:28:46] Redslash: Awesome dude! I am sorry I cannot watch X) [2015-09-23 22:33:05] Grondious60: does frog still need to get hit by the rain for like 34 if I remember, for it to be on the right RNG? and ohh np [2015-09-23 22:34:28] Redslash: 45/46, yeah. That means you're on the right RNG for Flea [2015-09-23 22:36:50] Grondious60: dang, I can never get this reset to work [2015-09-23 22:37:20] Puwexil: I do 6 save toggles using the cursor sound to time it [2015-09-23 22:48:23] Redslash: Oh boy, I have to remember the Desert fights. Not too worried about Shell [2015-09-23 22:52:09 | Edited 22:53:30] Redslash: I even remember mash Slash on Zombor. Retinite I'm really shaky on [2015-09-23 22:59:04] Redslash: But yay, setting Frog's menu to item in Dactyl Nest [2015-09-23 23:12:45] Redslash: Grondious, apologies again, but I should not watch streams on cell data X) Good luck on this run! [2015-09-24 1:18:40] Grondious60: Ohh np man, I appreciate the help and support from everyone, it's a great community! :) Also I just managed to get a 2:00:53 Magus time :D [2015-09-24 5:13:20] ElGranJerry: Retinite is the real final boss red, and thanks for helping me out <3 [2015-09-24 5:13:35] ElGranJerry: And nice man, that's a pretty good Magus time, congrats [2015-09-24 5:46:01] eLmaGus: red if you need a commentator for saturday lmk ; ) [2015-09-24 6:44:02] ElGranJerry: Krey [2015-09-24 6:44:04] ElGranJerry: gasm [2015-09-24 10:25:23] Redslash: Thanks Magus. I think I'd be wise to accept your offer X) [2015-09-25 14:39:23] *** Redslash added Cronokirby *** [2015-09-25 14:39:36] Redslash: Welcome! [2015-09-25 14:39:39] Cronokirby: hi [2015-09-25 14:39:56] Ottavino: welcome! [2015-09-25 14:40:17] Cronokirby: so, what time are we looking at for the race tomorrow? [2015-09-25 14:43:22] eLmaGus: well if red wants to join after his marathon shennanigans we should probably start a little later, otherwise we've been doing 2 PM EST roughly [2015-09-25 14:43:27] eLmaGus: thats 8 for you [2015-09-25 14:43:48] Cronokirby: can we do 7 cet? [2015-09-25 14:43:53] Redslash: Ye, you guys might wanna race without me =) [2015-09-25 14:44:16] eLmaGus: well that rules me out aswell then for tomorrow [2015-09-25 14:44:18] eLmaGus: : ) [2015-09-25 14:44:23] eLmaGus: i dont mind though [2015-09-25 14:44:27] Cronokirby: well I can do 8 [2015-09-25 14:44:34] Cronokirby: but I'd miss ff1 weekly [2015-09-25 14:46:08] eLmaGus: dunno who was planning on joining tomorrow, but let him know if you can/want to do 1 PM EST [2015-09-25 14:48:12] Grondious60: welcome cronokirby! :) [2015-09-25 14:48:28] Cronokirby: thanks, which runner are you :P ? [2015-09-25 14:49:15] Grondious60: Grondious60, I believe you followed me just yesterday actually, I appreciate it :) [2015-09-25 14:49:23] Cronokirby: oh you're the new guy [2015-09-25 14:49:55] Grondious60: Lol, yep [2015-09-25 14:53:18] Cronokirby: For me tomorrow, it's gonna have to be either 1 est, or 5 est [2015-09-25 14:53:50] Cronokirby: would postponing the race to sunday help, since red can make sunday I think [2015-09-25 14:54:19] ElGranJerry: welcome sir [2015-09-25 14:54:26] Cronokirby: hey jerry [2015-09-25 17:15:54] DrunkenDraconian: yo welcome [2015-09-25 17:16:00] DrunkenDraconian: < Drunken Draconian [2015-09-25 17:16:05] Cronokirby: hi [2015-09-25 17:17:09] DrunkenDraconian: I was just gonig to ask about the race? Def don't want to conflict with a Marathon run. [2015-09-25 17:17:21] Cronokirby: I think we should do it sunday [2015-09-25 17:18:13] Cronokirby: it's easier on red, and me at least [2015-09-25 17:18:17] Cronokirby: so [2015-09-25 17:18:32] DrunkenDraconian: that was what I was thinking. but I'm open to a practice one before or after the run on sat. [2015-09-25 17:18:54] Cronokirby: the thing with tomorrow is, that I can only do 1, or 5 est [2015-09-25 17:18:58] DrunkenDraconian: the run is suppsoed to be around noon est right? [2015-09-25 17:19:05] Cronokirby: 2 est [2015-09-25 17:19:12] Cronokirby: would be the scheduled time [2015-09-25 17:19:15] DrunkenDraconian: the srx i mean [2015-09-25 17:19:19] Cronokirby: oh yeah [2015-09-25 17:19:32] Cronokirby: so, we'd be looking at 3 est [2015-09-25 17:19:37] Cronokirby: for the official race [2015-09-25 17:19:43] Cronokirby: and I wouldn't make that [2015-09-25 17:20:53] Cronokirby: sunday seems like a better time this week [2015-09-25 17:24:44] DrunkenDraconian: yup. Saturday is for spamming during Red's run [2015-09-25 17:24:50] DrunkenDraconian: and practice.. [2015-09-25 17:24:53] Cronokirby: mhhmm [2015-09-25 17:24:56] Cronokirby: relearning [2015-09-25 17:24:58] Cronokirby: heh [2015-09-25 17:26:03] Cronokirby: Remembering my audio cues for zombor skip [2015-09-25 17:28:57] DrunkenDraconian: I'm a fan of 3x release B stutters [2015-09-25 17:30:13] Grondious60: the 3x release strat is what I have been using too, I just need to practice it more [2015-09-25 17:30:54] Cronokirby: 4th snare hit is the best for me [2015-09-25 18:13:40] Grondious60: So the race is at Sunday 2:00 pm EST for this week? [2015-09-25 18:17:57] Cronokirby: works for me [2015-09-25 18:18:23] Grondious60: I am going to try my best to make it this time :) [2015-09-25 18:24:07] Ottavino: can't sunday :-( [2015-09-25 18:24:50] Grondious60: What time Saturday would be good then? Maybe later like 5:00 pm est? [2015-09-25 18:25:15] Ottavino: as you want for saturday [2015-09-25 18:25:43] Cronokirby: well 5 est works for me [2015-09-25 18:27:07] DrunkenDraconian: I just like racing guys ^_^ [2015-09-25 18:27:44] Cronokirby: so I guess 5 est then tomorrow [2015-09-25 18:27:55] Cronokirby: and maybe sunday if people are up for it [2015-09-25 18:32:22] DrunkenDraconian: yeah. I'd like to keep the race mostly regular each week. but not conflicting with marathon runs by members seems like the only real good reason to switch it up. [2015-09-25 18:33:33] DrunkenDraconian: I was toying with maybe slotting 2 times on the weekend. But that might just divide and make less exciting races. Maybe if it keeps growing... [2015-09-25 18:34:17] Cronokirby: personally, sunday would work better [2015-09-25 18:34:25] Cronokirby: just because ff1 weekly is saturday [2015-09-25 18:34:59] Cronokirby: and I don't like the idea of dividing people into 2 races [2015-09-25 18:35:22] Cronokirby: but, 1 est would always work for me [2015-09-25 18:36:56] DrunkenDraconian: do you know of a listing of every weekly race? I was wondering before. [2015-09-25 18:37:09] DrunkenDraconian: / most [2015-09-25 18:37:39] Redslash: There's this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T9RokSBBmOvscZu73_v7h4SQ16H8Lix9SIXLQoLCuUk/pubhtml [2015-09-25 18:38:01] DrunkenDraconian: pog [2015-09-25 18:39:04] Cronokirby: FF1 psp is 3 pm est every week for me [2015-09-25 18:39:12] Cronokirby: so 1 est would work fine for me [2015-09-25 18:39:32] DrunkenDraconian: still some missing but this is cool to look at [2015-09-25 18:40:32] ElGranJerry: We should submit the ct one [2015-09-25 18:40:51] Cronokirby: what is the usual time anyways? [2015-09-25 18:40:56] ElGranJerry: 2 est [2015-09-25 18:41:02] ElGranJerry: Saturday [2015-09-25 18:41:18] Cronokirby: hmm, this is a bit self centered [2015-09-25 18:41:27] Cronokirby: but could we move that to 1? [2015-09-25 18:41:51] ElGranJerry: I havent raced yet but I can never make 1 [2015-09-25 18:41:53] Cronokirby: I don't want to have to choose between the 2 weeklys every week :/ [2015-09-25 18:42:00] ElGranJerry: 2 I can few times a month [2015-09-25 18:42:35] Grondious60: 1 is a little harder on me, have we ever considered later, like 5 as a norm? I am curious how that is for everyones schedule [2015-09-25 18:42:44] Cronokirby: 5 is fine [2015-09-25 18:43:58] ElGranJerry: Nah, saturday afternoon will make for a lot more absents (ive seem this with the dkr weekly) [2015-09-25 18:44:35] Cronokirby: well [2015-09-25 18:44:37] Cronokirby: the thing is [2015-09-25 18:44:40] ElGranJerry: I cant race at 5 sadly [2015-09-25 18:44:45] Cronokirby: 5 is night for me [2015-09-25 18:45:00] Cronokirby: 1 would work very well [2015-09-25 18:45:07] Cronokirby: 2 is kind of dumb, for me, cause I have a weekly at 3 [2015-09-25 18:46:10] Grondious60: Dang this is rough to get a good time for everyone [2015-09-25 18:46:40] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-09-25 18:46:44] Cronokirby: timezones [2015-09-25 18:47:11] Cronokirby: on sunday though [2015-09-25 18:47:17] Cronokirby: I'd have more time [2015-09-25 18:47:23] Grondious60: What about 2 est on sundays? [2015-09-25 18:47:30] Cronokirby: perfect for me [2015-09-25 18:47:38] ElGranJerry: I mean, i leave class at 1:30 and start work at 4:30 so my schedule is dumb on saturdays. Id like to keep it 2 but we [2015-09-25 18:48:08] Grondious60: I have work on sundays, but I could get the race in before work [2015-09-25 18:48:17] Cronokirby: good so far [2015-09-25 18:48:22] ElGranJerry: I work all day sunday lol [2015-09-25 18:48:25] ElGranJerry: 11-6 [2015-09-25 18:48:35] ElGranJerry: I cant even watch nfl :( [2015-09-25 18:48:37] Cronokirby: yeesh [2015-09-25 18:49:01] ElGranJerry: 12-7 est lol [2015-09-25 18:49:50] ElGranJerry: Gotta pay off college credit sadly. Its super tight this year lol [2015-09-25 18:50:02] Grondious60: I wonder if 2 races a week would be appropriate so everyone could race [2015-09-25 18:50:19] Grondious60: And the people who have the time and love racing can join in on both [2015-09-25 18:50:37] Cronokirby: could we do 1 est sat, 2 est sun [2015-09-25 18:50:57] Grondious60: well, one needs to be 2 est sat for jerry to be able to race it sounds like [2015-09-25 18:51:03] Cronokirby: ok [2015-09-25 18:51:11] Cronokirby: 2 est sat/sun works out then [2015-09-25 18:51:38] ElGranJerry: I gotta bail though, scary day tomorrow need some meds and off to bed. [2015-09-25 18:51:52] ElGranJerry: Id like to hear more opinioms though [2015-09-25 18:51:57] ElGranJerry: From the rest [2015-09-25 18:51:59] ElGranJerry: Cya guys [2015-09-25 18:52:07] Grondious60: Yeah, definitely, cya Jerry take it easy [2015-09-25 18:53:33] Redslash: 'Night, Jerry. [2015-09-25 18:53:42] Cronokirby: get better soon [2015-09-25 18:54:58] Redslash: I think 2pm Sat+Sun sounds good. That's kinda what we started to do actually [2015-09-25 18:56:43] *** Cronokirby has renamed this conversation to "Chrono Trigger Speedrunners - Weekly Race: Saturday/Sunday @2pm EST" *** [2015-09-25 19:05:39 | Edited 19:06:22] Redslash: It'll be good to see "Magus" listed twice. Heh! [2015-09-25 19:06:37] Grondious60: This allows for the Sunday salty runback too, haha [2015-09-25 19:07:10] Redslash: Ooh, you're right [2015-09-25 19:07:41] Redslash: Oh right, so we're on for 5pm tomorrow? [2015-09-25 19:07:50] Grondious60: Yep :) [2015-09-25 19:08:08] Cronokirby: wait est? [2015-09-25 19:08:23] Grondious60: yeah, I believe that's what we decided [2015-09-25 19:08:26] Cronokirby: I can make that [2015-09-25 19:08:38] Cronokirby: Imma get eot sa [2015-09-25 19:08:49] Redslash: Krey [2015-09-25 19:08:53] Cronokirby: cuase of 360 bpm metronome [2015-09-25 19:08:53] Cronokirby: best setup ever [2015-09-25 19:09:09] Cronokirby: power tab fade out in church [2015-09-25 19:09:16] Cronokirby: I go for the swag strats [2015-09-25 19:09:58] Redslash: That is a good fadeout [2015-09-25 19:10:08] Grondious60: I think I am guaranteed to lose the race unless someone drops out :P [2015-09-25 19:10:17] Cronokirby: you're supposed to do it in 2 right? [2015-09-25 19:10:28] Cronokirby: excluding the first one to setup the fadeout [2015-09-25 19:11:00] Grondious60: is there a video of the eot sa? I haven't got to see it yet [2015-09-25 19:11:44] Cronokirby: yeah there's a tutorial [2015-09-25 19:11:54] Cronokirby: the hard part is the double tap [2015-09-25 19:12:01] Cronokirby: which has to be 10 frames apart [2015-09-25 19:12:01] Redslash: The only tutorial vid I've ever made. Let's see... [2015-09-25 19:12:10] Cronokirby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-PLEGS8TcM [2015-09-25 19:12:14] Cronokirby: for the double tap [2015-09-25 19:12:24] Redslash: There's some new info though for the double tap [2015-09-25 19:12:34] Cronokirby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC5kKeRQ5oo [2015-09-25 19:12:39] Cronokirby: for the tutorial [2015-09-25 19:12:45] Cronokirby: do tell? [2015-09-25 19:12:47] Grondious60: Ty :) [2015-09-25 19:13:58 | Edited 19:14:16] Redslash: Otta was working on it a couple days ago. If you just do the 2nd tap anytime during the 600AD text, the 75% success is guaranteed =P [2015-09-25 19:14:24] Cronokirby: so tap, wait, tap and hold [2015-09-25 19:14:35] Redslash: Yup [2015-09-25 19:14:46] Cronokirby: I know tha 10 frame timing pretty well [2015-09-25 19:14:49] Cronokirby: also metronome [2015-09-25 19:17:05] Redslash: It's even possible to get 100% success, but metronome won't help with it... specific letters on the 600AD text are the bad frames "t"..."T"..."e" (every 4th letter) [2015-09-25 19:17:23] Cronokirby: how do you do that? [2015-09-25 19:18:10] Redslash: If you can hit one of the 3-frame windows between these bad frames (for example, "Go_"), then you're 100% [2015-09-25 19:18:25] Cronokirby: I double tap before the 600 ad text is even on screen [2015-09-25 19:18:31] Cronokirby: then hold [2015-09-25 19:20:16] Redslash: Yeah. The thing is, the textbox will begin to load on the next 8-frame cycle, so the time between Gaspar's text closing and the next box opening is inconsistent [2015-09-25 19:20:36] Cronokirby: I managed to open the save menu during the warp animation [2015-09-25 19:20:40] Cronokirby: wut? [2015-09-25 19:20:51] Redslash: Wut... [2015-09-25 19:21:26] Cronokirby: nothing interesting seems to happen [2015-09-25 19:21:32] Cronokirby: I just get to hear the music [2015-09-25 19:28:18] Redslash: That's pretty cool tho, never heard of that [2015-09-25 19:30:27] Redslash: It's possible to bring S/A to 1999 instead (save between Shell phases), but I don't know the setup [2015-09-25 19:31:03] Cronokirby: why would you want that? [2015-09-25 19:31:06] Redslash: And it's pretty hard even then [2015-09-25 19:31:46] Redslash: Idk. At one point we were trying to skip the trigger on the 1999 map [2015-09-25 19:32:15] Redslash: If that were possible you could walk right inside the shell, lol [2015-09-25 19:32:34] Cronokirby: easy lss [2015-09-25 19:44:12] Redslash: Yup. But likely Inichi found the only true path [2015-09-26 11:32:41] *** ottavino added Gand988 *** [2015-09-26 11:41:00] Ottavino: welcome Gand988 [2015-09-26 11:57:42] Gand988: Hello! :D [2015-09-26 12:02:22] SnesWarrior: yo! Welcome Cronokirby and GanD!! [2015-09-26 12:04:12] eLmaGus: cheers [2015-09-26 12:04:16] SnesWarrior: And awesome run Red [2015-09-26 12:04:21] eLmaGus: what a run minus that damned Lapis [2015-09-26 12:04:22] eLmaGus: X_X [2015-09-26 12:04:30] SnesWarrior: Also, SMRPG music playing right after your run. It's fate bro [2015-09-26 12:04:35] Gand988: nice run red [2015-09-26 12:09:54] Redslash: Thanks. Aw, that was rough. Did I go over time? [2015-09-26 12:11:29] Redslash: Was still tons of fun. Would do again for sure [2015-09-26 12:12:11] Gand988: maybe w/o miss the first bird skip and messed up the LS at the end :P [2015-09-26 12:25:05] eLmaGus: 3:27 : ( [2015-09-26 12:25:13] eLmaGus: was going to be a 3:00 - 3:01 i think [2015-09-26 12:25:46] eLmaGus: but you did very well regardless of going over [2015-09-26 12:29:35] Grondious60: Welcome Gand! This is Grondious :) [2015-09-26 12:38:03] Redslash: Dang dude. Well, we did it. Thank you very much for your help Magus [2015-09-26 12:38:23] Gand988: yeah, [2015-09-26 12:38:29] Redslash: And welcome Gand! [2015-09-26 12:38:30] Gand988: really good cast Magus [2015-09-26 12:39:00] Gand988: thx =) [2015-09-26 12:39:22] Gand988: oh red , you guys forget to put the boss guide in the site [2015-09-26 12:39:49] Gand988: i was watching earlier, ottavino share me the oldest /strategy link [2015-09-26 12:39:52] Ottavino: it's in strategies [2015-09-26 12:39:55] Ottavino: in fact [2015-09-26 12:41:14] Gand988: oh up-right [2015-09-26 12:41:19] Ottavino: i mean it's in the site, but not on front page [2015-09-26 12:42:04] Gand988: i don't know why i wasn't reading it :| my bad [2015-09-26 12:46:05] Redslash: It's ok. I think it was indeed hard to find, which is why I was reorganizing [2015-09-26 12:52:08] Grondious60: Race hype! :D [2015-09-26 12:59:16] Grondious60: First time racing for me, will the race appear in live-split once it is about to start? [2015-09-26 13:00:29] Gand988: when someone create the lobby you can see it in Races [2015-09-26 13:01:09] Gand988: remember that the timer start automatically after the Countdown [2015-09-26 13:01:21] Grondious60: Alright :) [2015-09-26 13:03:46] Grondious60: Who all is racing today? [2015-09-26 13:08:13] Redslash: Whoop, I can race [2015-09-26 13:09:35] Grondious60: For the race do you idle on the active/wait or just wait at the title screen? [2015-09-26 13:09:56] Redslash: We're gonna go with Active/Wait for races [2015-09-26 13:10:27] Redslash: Just so the intro cinematic isn't a thing to worry about [2015-09-26 13:10:34] Gand988: not me, storm incoming... i'll gonna shoutdown the pc in a few [2015-09-26 13:10:37] Grondious60: Ok, nice [2015-09-26 13:11:10] Grondious60: Ohh, alright, hope it doesn't do any damage [2015-09-26 13:12:02] Gand988: red, i was trying the JP ver this morning...the pendolum animation fadeout faster than eu [2015-09-26 13:13:34] Redslash: It is, hehe. I was noticing there might be tiny differences with menu timings, too. Not sure tho [2015-09-26 13:13:44] Grondious60: Are you racing today cronokirby? [2015-09-26 13:15:30] Grondious60: If it's just me and you Red, you have to play one handed Kappa [2015-09-26 13:15:47] eLmaGus: im going to eat then i can race [2015-09-26 13:15:57] Gand988: 1v1 against red, gl :D [2015-09-26 13:16:42] Redslash: I'll work on my 1-handed grip for next time Kappa [2015-09-26 13:18:38] Grondious60: 1-handed fade out glitch would be interesting lol [2015-09-26 13:20:22] Redslash: If I could use my nose, then maybe... I run with "L" you know xD [2015-09-26 13:21:51] Grondious60: Dang dude, already figuring out optimal 1-handed strats :O [2015-09-26 13:21:56] Gand988: i'm out [2015-09-26 13:22:03] Gand988: bb [2015-09-26 13:22:09] Redslash: Catch ya later Gand! [2015-09-26 13:22:14] Grondious60: Cyu Gand [2015-09-26 13:22:24] eLmaGus: race channel is up friends [2015-09-26 13:23:15] Grondious60: ok cool, give me a moment I am a noob at this [2015-09-26 13:30:24] Grondious60: I am pretty excited for this :D [2015-09-26 13:32:16] ElGranJerry: gl on the race [2015-09-26 13:32:22] ElGranJerry: hope the marathon went great Red [2015-09-26 13:34:03] eLmaGus: marathon went really well, died to shell unfortunatley : ( was a really good showing though otherwise [2015-09-26 13:34:31] ElGranJerry: glad it went well. Yeah sometimes the shell can be rough [2015-09-26 13:34:38] ElGranJerry: Need to watch the vod then :D [2015-09-26 13:37:42] Grondious60: is checkboxing ready all I need to do in live-split? [2015-09-26 13:38:32] eLmaGus: oh boy if you race over livesplit may the gods be with you [2015-09-26 13:38:40] eLmaGus: i hate doing that a lot can go wrong [2015-09-26 13:38:42] eLmaGus: never done it [2015-09-26 13:38:52] Grondious60: lol ok, well let's hope it works xD [2015-09-26 15:39:08] Ottavino: what a race lol [2015-09-26 15:43:55] eLmaGus: indeed [2015-09-26 15:44:01] eLmaGus: truly a nice one [2015-09-26 15:45:32] Ottavino: safety saves ftw [2015-09-26 15:46:01] Redslash: Aw so you didn't see the race chat Grondious. Jail guards, RSeries, Heckran skip, and for me Slash... [2015-09-26 15:46:39] eLmaGus: well i sorta suicided into dtank basically [2015-09-26 15:47:24] SnesWarrior: what a way to kick off the salty sunday runback [2015-09-26 15:48:31] Redslash: I really should've lived, but I got greedy on Slash, ha ha [2015-09-26 15:48:42] Redslash: He sent me back to the stone age [2015-09-26 15:49:28] SnesWarrior: lol [2015-09-26 15:50:16] Grondious60: Yeah, this race was awesome! and yeah I didn't get to see any of the messages, I am streaming on 1 monitor so my screen is already full with my timer, strats and twitch chat [2015-09-26 15:51:31] Redslash: Ah yeah, emulator? [2015-09-26 15:51:47] Grondious60: Yep :) [2015-09-26 15:51:54] Redslash: That might be the biggest drawback of emu, to me [2015-09-26 15:52:05] Grondious60: I know it's a bit slower but it's the only way I can stream it lol [2015-09-26 15:53:46] Redslash: Aye right on. Well hmm, maybe try logging in to speedrunslive.com/channel for races, I think it's a great method [2015-09-26 15:54:13] Redslash: Ooh race is gettin recorded [2015-09-26 15:54:35] Grondious60: Man I got so lucky at the end too, with that encounter I accidently triggered getting faded out [2015-09-26 15:55:56] Redslash: Yeah that was cool! Right side is safer imo, the chest there helps for the diagonal run [2015-09-26 15:57:14] Redslash: I think you could join SRL.com for chat (for viewing later) while also using the Livesplit race functions, I'll have to find out... [2015-09-26 15:59:49] Grondious60: Alright! Man, CT has a really amazing speedrunning community, you guys are all awesome people :) [2015-09-26 16:00:21] Ottavino: two slashed guys tonight :-( [2015-09-26 16:00:53] Grondious60: Ohh yeah, just happened to elmagus, slash is mean [2015-09-26 16:02:32] Grondious60: I am trying to figure out how to host someone [2015-09-26 16:02:57] Redslash: "/host twitchname" [2015-09-26 16:03:10] eLmaGus: defenitley need a new controller [2015-09-26 16:03:17] eLmaGus: Y didnt work when i tried to input XABY [2015-09-26 16:03:28] eLmaGus: i couldnt get a gate to open for 7 seconds aswell [2015-09-26 16:03:29] eLmaGus: lul [2015-09-26 16:03:54] Redslash: Dude... I was stuck there too [2015-09-26 16:04:19] eLmaGus: and well on slash my menu didnt open [2015-09-26 16:04:24] eLmaGus: couldve recovered but i miscounted [2015-09-26 16:04:26] eLmaGus: RIP [2015-09-26 16:05:04] eLmaGus: on the bright side i got 2 gold splits [2015-09-26 16:05:11] eLmaGus: denadoro and nizbel went pretty well [2015-09-26 16:06:54] Redslash: Yo Masa did the thing where he attacked before my 2nd crit [2015-09-26 16:07:47] eLmaGus: dang [2015-09-26 16:07:56] Redslash: I'm gonna do some more tests, gotta track that down [2015-09-26 16:10:19] Redslash: Could be the frame you antipode, combined with your pixel position when you initiate the fight [2015-09-26 16:12:27] Redslash: I hit the stairs a bit to the left, so maybe I have a lead [2015-09-26 17:38:31] Grondious60: Ohh yeah, I wanted to ask you something red, I was watching your US run and your fade out glitching is so dang good, and I was curious if you are using a specific method to doing it so precisely each time to not see the menu screen or if you just have the timing down perfectly [2015-09-26 17:41:28] Ottavino: hold start+B [2015-09-26 17:42:20] Ottavino: it's also used to close the menu quickly after a menuing [2015-09-26 17:42:43] Grondious60: Ohh wow, you actually told me that before and I forgot (facepalm) Sorry about that [2015-09-26 18:47:44] Redslash: So, I did start a Discord server for CT Speedruns (pretty simple, I just clicked a button), and here it is https://discord.gg/0XU29pWZvyu0YCVH [2015-09-26 18:47:52 | Edited 19:00:16] Redslash: My idea was to link this on my Twitch page, so it'd be rather public (like our #chrono on SRL but perhaps more accessible...) [2015-09-26 18:49:19] Redslash: But even so, you can make restricted-access voice channels and all sorts of stuff. Gonna experiment [2015-09-26 20:41:00] Redslash: Huh, you can hold run to line up on the pixel before RSeries cutscene. Need to move 16px down+right [2015-09-27 9:21:49] *** Redslash added Cronokirby *** [2015-09-27 9:22:44] Redslash: Weird, no notification that you left. Skype can be strange [2015-09-27 9:23:13] Cronokirby: This may not work, but I'll leave, then add me back into the group [2015-09-27 9:23:23] *** Cronokirby has left *** [2015-09-27 9:23:47] *** Redslash added Cronokirby *** [2015-09-27 9:23:54] Cronokirby: Î'm dumb [2015-09-27 9:23:56] Gand988: test [2015-09-27 9:23:57] Cronokirby: it worked before [2015-09-27 9:24:11] Cronokirby: :P [2015-09-27 9:24:14] Cronokirby: so, race? [2015-09-27 9:25:27] Gand988: oh red, in your backup strategy for the second guard and DT fight i think is better to add (set cyclone) after the fight against the [D7] Bugger [2015-09-27 9:28:33] Redslash: Oh, cuz he's on Item. Good call [2015-09-27 9:29:45] Redslash: Not sure I can race today, I'll know pretty soon [2015-09-27 10:04:47] Redslash: Yeah looks like I'm out for today, sorry =X [2015-09-27 10:04:57] Cronokirby: ah too bad [2015-09-27 14:49:15] DrunkenDraconian: hey, sorry about AWOL on races. real life can kind of suck sometimes [2015-09-27 15:36:57] Grondious60: Hey, yeah sorry I couldn't make it to todays race too [2015-09-27 15:38:03] Gand988: np [2015-09-27 15:38:05] DrunkenDraconian: Hope everyone that can see does see the eclips [2015-09-27 15:38:29] Gand988: was a bad day for me today... i'm still not able to play this game xD [2015-09-27 15:39:07] Gand988: here the sky is gray... i can't see the moon :( [2015-09-27 16:13:28] Redslash: Yo DD. I got "troll Masa" in yesterday's race and just replicated it on emu... [2015-09-27 16:13:42] Redslash: It's affected by your coordinate (I've only got it by hitting the left of the stairs), then 3-frame window to open Marle's menu, and another 3-frame window to select Antipode (26-28 after opening) [2015-09-27 16:16:36] Redslash: Could be other ways to get it. How fast you hold X with Crono (both times) seems not to matter, at least [2015-09-27 16:22:12] DrunkenDraconian: just watched it, i could see the speed lines whiles he moved 1/1000 chance of MegaMasamune [2015-09-27 16:25:58] Redslash: Hah. I'll put an SMV up. But yeah the fact that an input while already in the menu actually makes the ATB "slip", is kinda spooky [2015-09-27 16:27:53] Redslash: You're opening menu just before he takes another step fwd, and Crono's ATB is supposed to be at 1/2. But if you select Antipode just right, then his ATB is mysteriously more than 1/2 [2015-09-27 16:29:49] Redslash: So I guess the game corrects for Masa being "behind" on his movement and just lets him go first =P [2015-09-27 16:31:42] Ottavino: so if you are on the right of the stairs, you can't get trolled? [2015-09-27 16:34:37] Redslash: Maybe you can on the right, but I haven't found a way =) [2015-09-27 16:43:57] Ottavino: when you say select antipode, it's the antipode to masa, or masa to confirm? [2015-09-27 16:44:25] Redslash: Antipode to Masa. Confirm has no effect [2015-09-27 16:46:59] Redslash: Also a neat thing I never noticed, Crono's attacks push Masa backwards.... [2015-09-27 16:48:42] Ottavino: i can't replicate it, i'm waiting for the smv :) [2015-09-27 16:49:39] Ottavino: it's maybe a key to get the firepunch strat working consistently [2015-09-27 16:56:39] Redslash: Whoops, here it is http://goo.gl/D5NPlw [2015-09-27 16:58:48] Ottavino: thank you Red! [2015-09-27 17:15:20] Ottavino: it seems that if you hold up+run at the entrance and let the rock push you on the right, lucca will be at 121 instead of 120, and this setup doesn't work [2015-09-27 17:41:30] Redslash: Yeah. I was working on a chart, there's a ton of possible coordinates for this fight... no way I could test them all [2015-09-27 17:43:04] Redslash: Ok maybe not a ton, but 16, and several ways to get each of these [2015-09-27 18:31:41] Redslash: Welp, got the same coordinate in different ways, but the troll doesn't happen, even with "ATB slip"... could be the subpixel difference =P [2015-09-27 18:35:45 | Edited 18:36:00] Ottavino: after masa and mune, subpixel is set to x0, right? [2015-09-27 18:44:14] Redslash: Oh wow, true. Hmm... [2015-09-27 19:23:30] Redslash: (Hitting the stairs at 86 instead of 84 gives you the right coords, but ATB slip seems impossible...) [2015-09-27 20:14:18] Redslash: Got it a few times with 86... I think it's the textboxes when they transform... [2015-09-28 6:56:39] Cronokirby: well, this might be my fault [2015-09-28 6:57:00] Cronokirby: but entering the black tyranno fight with 90 as your base rng is pretty bad [2015-09-28 6:57:14] Cronokirby: ayla gets her turn before crono intially [2015-09-28 6:57:27] Cronokirby: and then you get fire kick before you should a lot [2015-09-28 12:11:33] Cronokirby: I now realize how important telling the gal in antiquity to plant the plant is :P [2015-09-28 12:11:36] Cronokirby: lost a run to that [2015-09-28 12:11:40] Cronokirby: woopd [2015-09-28 13:25:09] ElGranJerry: haha, yeah it can screw you hard :P Definitively a marathon killer if taken lightly [2015-09-28 13:25:46] Cronokirby: yeah, pressed down then a too fast [2015-09-28 13:25:57] Cronokirby: forgot that it was that important [2015-09-28 13:26:06] Cronokirby: gonna take it slow next time :P [2015-09-28 13:26:12] Cronokirby: feels great to be back [2015-09-28 13:26:19] Cronokirby: I have a much better mindset with the game [2015-09-28 13:26:22] ElGranJerry: I am positive if you dont close the textboxes and leave you can retrigger the question? [2015-09-28 13:26:37] ElGranJerry: same way if you press plant and dont close the tb then it doesn't count [2015-09-28 13:26:42] Cronokirby: hmm [2015-09-28 13:26:49] Cronokirby: forgot it was important [2015-09-28 13:26:56] Cronokirby: and I didn't know you could do that so [2015-09-28 13:27:02] Cronokirby: thanks for the tip [2015-09-28 13:27:14] Cronokirby: I'll try that the next time I fail at it :P [2015-09-28 13:27:24] ElGranJerry: np [2015-09-28 13:27:27] ElGranJerry: yeah for sure [2015-09-28 23:46:58] Redslash: To add to this, you can retrigger the question by reloading the room, but it's ok to close the text... It's 3-4 sec faster to enter Mammon hall than to go outside. So actually, you could fail the question, meet Schala and charge pendant, then try again. [2015-09-28 23:47:50 | Edited 23:48:58] Redslash: If you do not get the question after re-entering room, it means you already succeeded [2015-09-29 0:31:02] Redslash: Started on No LSS TAS again since I somehow forgot silverstuff... but I forgot something once again, lol [2015-09-29 6:20:40] Cronokirby: Your lss tas is good enough for movement [2015-09-29 6:20:51] Cronokirby: but a no lss tas would be great [2015-09-29 9:54:35] Gand988: elmagus sub 3! [2015-09-29 9:54:41] Gand988: GRATS! [2015-09-29 9:54:44] Cronokirby: he got it? gg [2015-09-29 9:54:53] Cronokirby: who's next? Kappa [2015-09-29 10:00:31] Puwexil: nice, grats magus [2015-09-29 10:00:45] Redslash: GG elmagus!! [2015-09-29 10:00:53] SnesWarrior: congratz on sub 3!! [2015-09-29 10:00:57] Gand988: 2:58:39 sum of best! [2015-09-29 10:01:22] Gand988: you need to be careful red :P [2015-09-29 10:03:16] ElGranJerry: Gg sir! [2015-09-29 11:15:45] eLmaGus: thanks guys : > [2015-09-29 11:15:49] eLmaGus: i did not anticipate this at all [2015-09-29 11:38:26] Grondious60: Grats elmagus! [2015-09-29 11:54:59 | Edited 11:59:05] Redslash: 3's the magic number. I changed the http://speedrun.com/ct categories/definitions, see if you guys agree [2015-09-29 11:59:54] Gand988: nope [2015-09-29 12:00:01] Gand988: i want my time in front page ç_ç [2015-09-29 12:00:45] Redslash: Yeah... [2015-09-29 12:00:58] Puwexil: having the most popular/competitive category as the first one makes sense to me [2015-09-29 12:01:07] Gand988: jk , i think is good [2015-09-29 12:03:30] Redslash: Ha, ok. Well once we have more LSS runners it might make front page [2015-09-29 12:13:42] Redslash: In which case the category names could possibly change too X) It made sense that the most popular/competitive just keeps the "Any%" name [2015-09-29 12:18:09] Ottavino: GG eLmaGus! [2015-09-29 12:18:19] Gand988: Maybe just LSS? [2015-09-29 12:35:34] Obdajr: ack the all endings time listed is the old one... bah ill submit the good time again [2015-09-29 12:40:16] Redslash: Oh yeah, I couldn't find the VOD for it =0 Not that it requires one [2015-09-29 12:44:00] Redslash: Lol... what if we call it "Any% J" even though there's English times? Could be kind of awesome [2015-09-29 12:44:26] Redslash: (Ok let's not do that) [2015-09-29 12:56:21 | Edited 12:58:26] Redslash: I like "Any% LSS" for a "formal" name, though you could shorten it to LSS. I guess my habit was to just write "CT(US) run" or "CT(JP) run" in my title... implying beat game w/ no restrictions =P [2015-09-29 12:58:26 | Edited 12:59:57] Redslash: Let's call the category "Chrono Trigger"/"CT", lmao... nameless =0 [2015-09-29 13:04:10] Gand988: i Always use any% with LSS on my title, [2015-09-29 13:04:51] Gand988: and i think is better if we just call it Any% LSS. [2015-09-29 13:04:58] Gand988: because we all know the difference [2015-09-29 13:06:26] Gand988: but if a new person watch the streaming and read LSS you need to explain that is an Any% with an huge skip. With Any% LSS maybe he can understand that is a fast run but with something [2015-09-29 13:06:41] Gand988: i think is better for now [2015-09-29 13:07:11] Gand988: we can leave the 2 category like this. like glitchless and glitched. [2015-09-29 13:07:19] Gand988: where glitched is the LSS :P [2015-09-29 13:13:30] Redslash: Yeah. Or we could make up a cool name like "Any% Plus" or "Truespeed", lol. Some new glitch might come along where LSS won't have the spotlight anymore. And this category is "anything goes," at its core [2015-09-29 13:19:05] Gand988: lol [2015-09-29 13:23:41 | Edited 13:36:31] Redslash: Lmaoooo... but since LSS is a "gamble", maybe we should feature that... "Stab%"! (from the phrase "take a stab at it") [2015-09-29 13:23:56] eLmaGus: oh yeah before i forget, 1 thing i "discovered" today , if you EoT SA you can equip the Ribbon on Marle in the shop [2015-09-29 13:24:00] eLmaGus: it saves frames [2015-09-29 13:27:06] Redslash: Oh yeahh... that's what I do. You reminded me, need to check if the Ribbon specifically is required (for her Outlaw/Groupie crit), or if she can wear Silver Earring... [2015-09-29 13:28:11] eLmaGus: not sure how much shopping has to be done in a hundo and if the menus do it there or if it would be beneficial [2015-09-29 13:28:18] eLmaGus: but i completley forgot about equipping things in the shop [2015-09-29 13:29:32] Gand988: if you really want you can equip and use the tabs in the EoT during the trick. [2015-09-29 13:29:42] Puwexil: 100% just does 1 extra shopping trip after blackbird, to sell stuff for crono clone money [2015-09-29 13:29:45] Gand988: nonono [2015-09-29 13:30:01] Gand988: my bad, you get another extra in the castle. nothing. [2015-09-29 13:30:28] Puwexil: you don't have all of the stuff you need for the next menu by that point (mainly the taban suit), so you wouldn't be able to cut a menu [2015-09-29 13:30:40] eLmaGus: too bad [2015-09-29 13:31:14 | Edited 13:31:23] Redslash: Well, I equip Ribbon while de-equipping Crono, not in the shop menu. That does save time because you're combining equipment screen stuff [2015-09-29 13:32:15] Puwexil: yea, that's what I do to [2015-09-29 13:32:28] eLmaGus: the shop menu is a little faster since it has no lag [2015-09-29 13:32:30] eLmaGus: : > [2015-09-29 13:32:34] Puwexil: move the cursor up from marle's weapon slot and equip the ribbon [2015-09-29 13:33:34] Redslash: Yeah shop menu is OP. And I guess since she's P2 this might be pretty close.. [2015-09-29 13:33:37] Puwexil: I know the NG+ route does all of it's equipping in the millenial fair item shop menu [2015-09-29 13:34:36] Redslash: Equipment screen can be OP as well if you hit the right rhythm X) You know, the "silent" equips... [2015-09-29 13:38:13] SnesWarrior: Definitely like what you did with the speedrun.com boards Red, thoroughly approve =) [2015-09-29 13:42:30] Redslash: Cool, thx SW =) Magus got his time up... looks so good [2015-09-29 13:47:06] Redslash: Dang, may I call the LSS category "Stab%" for a while? "Stab" is also how I've abbreviated "Speedtab" in my notes, just seems stupidly perfect to me right now X) [2015-09-29 13:51:41] Redslash: Mmm, and for those who don't know, Jackafur's subscriber prefix is "stab"... (come back, Jack) [2015-09-29 13:51:43] Redslash: =) [2015-09-29 14:00:05] SnesWarrior: hehe, I think it'd be alright to do on speedrun.com, since the definition is in plain sight just under the category, so if anyone gets confused .... well they shouldn't since its kind of in your face [2015-09-29 14:08:55] Redslash: Yes! Ok I did it and added some lore [2015-09-29 14:10:21] Gand988: lol [2015-09-29 14:10:36] Gand988: that's funny :D [2015-09-29 18:52:07] Redslash: Here was my idea for Silverearring Marle... you can despawn one of the 4 henches in the 1st Magus Castle fight, although it's pretty hard [2015-09-29 18:54:57] Redslash: But if you manage to, you can Rocketroll before Crimson Rain, AND Marle doesn't get a Level Up after the Groupies, lol (her level is the same at Desert) [2015-09-29 18:56:04 | Edited 18:56:24] Redslash: Only problem is, the RNG after this 3 hench fight is not quite right for Flea (B7 instead of B9+)... [2015-09-29 18:57:33] Puwexil: what does earring on marle get you? [2015-09-29 19:01:43 | Edited 19:02:22] Redslash: Oh, Frog's HP needs to be less than Marle's for the Flea manipulation, but he doesn't take the damage... If you give her the Earring maybe at Nizbel (before the Frog cutscene auto-heal), that'd fix it [2015-09-29 19:02:39] Puwexil: ahh [2015-09-29 19:28:57] Redslash: But I don't have an answer for the RNG yet, so... prob won't be in theory TAS [2015-09-29 19:45:43] Redslash: Slash2 ends in the lower-left corner and spends 40 frames traveling to the center to die, we gotta fix this Kappa [2015-09-29 19:50:31] eLmaGus: can you advance by taking an action with marle? [2015-09-29 19:50:41] eLmaGus: or does that push it too far? [2015-09-29 19:53:07] eLmaGus: replace marle with frog [2015-09-29 19:53:11] eLmaGus: and you got what i wanted to ask [2015-09-29 19:53:12] eLmaGus: its late [2015-09-29 20:18:57] Redslash: Putting Berserk on Frog before the Hench fight, his atk does push you exactly to B9 =) [2015-09-29 20:21:21] Redslash: This is likely a bad idea, lol. Hard to say [2015-09-29 20:21:54] Puwexil: I guess I'm still not clear on what situations this would be useful for [2015-09-29 20:22:09] Puwexil: if frog doesn't get crimson rained, aren't you already off script for flea? [2015-09-29 20:35:30] Redslash: Oh, it's this https://youtube.com/watch?v=FvzSLAkXi3U#t=1h23m (I think that's how you timestamp) [2015-09-29 20:36:28] Redslash: It behaves like a completely different encounter [2015-09-29 20:48:32] Redslash: Btw, to anyone who hasn't watched Kilaye's 2:17, he carefully compiled knowledge from previous TASes and it's an amazing resource =0 I've taken lots of movement stuff from it [2015-09-29 20:51:35] eLmaGus: nice [2015-09-29 20:51:47] eLmaGus: you think frog gets 2 turns before you can rocket roll? [2015-09-29 20:52:53] eLmaGus: also did he compile the knowledge in a language i can understand [2015-09-29 20:53:00] eLmaGus: lol [2015-09-29 20:53:17 | Edited 20:53:25] Redslash: The language of ~video games~ [2015-09-29 20:53:28] eLmaGus: fantastic [2015-09-29 20:56:29] Redslash: My French isn't super, but I could probably translate most of it... [2015-09-29 20:56:47] Redslash: Also he's mainly explaining stuff we already know =) [2015-09-29 20:56:59] eLmaGus: yeah im like understanding half of it [2015-09-29 21:00:38] Redslash: I feel a "movie night" coming on =3 [2015-09-29 21:03:23] Redslash: Oh also what the heck, that Spikevegeta CC Good Ending WR. That's crazy [2015-09-29 21:03:42] Puwexil: on his 2nd completed run too [2015-09-29 21:03:54] SnesWarrior: yeaa that was fast >.> [2015-09-29 21:04:35] Redslash: Yeah I'm kinda regretting not picking up CC now X) [2015-09-29 21:05:24] Puwexil: I'd consider it myself more strongly if it didn't have the random stats [2015-09-29 21:05:28] SnesWarrior: Eh, its a big game I'm sure there's still some interesting stuff to find =) [2015-09-29 21:06:02] SnesWarrior: And yeah, worrying about STR ups sounds pretty annoying [2015-09-29 21:08:16] Redslash: Indeed, and then the dang encounters. I remember watching Jia grind ways to avoid the fish... and Terra Tower looks like a nightmare [2015-09-29 21:08:35] Puwexil: spike got murdered by the fish in his record [2015-09-29 21:08:44] Puwexil: like 2-3 minutes gone [2015-09-29 21:12:41] Redslash: Wowzers. But it sounds like Evilash contributed some new stuff to make it possible [2015-09-29 21:13:06] Puwexil: yeah, sounded like there's been some new strats lately but not many runs done [2015-09-29 21:16:45] Redslash: I can't wait for Chrono block at GDQ [2015-09-29 21:18:58] eLmaGus: yeah the guys generally have not done a lot of runs [2015-09-29 21:21:05] Puwexil: wondered a few times if a chrono relay would be fun, or just lame because of only having 2 games [2015-09-29 21:23:00] Redslash: Radical Dreamers =3 [2015-09-29 21:24:03] Puwexil: I should probably play that some day [2015-09-29 21:24:13] Puwexil: still know next to nothing about it [2015-09-29 21:24:41] SnesWarrior: Have there been people that have tried to speedrun text-based games lol? [2015-09-29 21:25:03] Puwexil: I've seen speedruns of DOS Sierra games [2015-09-29 21:26:01] SnesWarrior: I played a few hours of Radical Dreamers. The beginning just seemed like a retelling of the Viper Manor portion of CC [2015-09-29 21:26:08] SnesWarrior: no clue how long it's suppose to be [2015-09-29 21:30:06] Redslash: Yeah I think it all takes place at Viper Manor. I'm not really sure... what the true ending is [2015-09-29 21:30:41] eLmaGus: well Radical Dreamers looked pretty neat as a casual game [2015-09-29 21:30:47] eLmaGus: as far as speedrun is concerned.... [2015-09-29 21:30:52] eLmaGus: well... [2015-09-29 21:30:58] eLmaGus: its a text based game [2015-09-29 21:31:11] Redslash: It'd be cool seeing someone play it who had some idea of what's going on X) [2015-09-29 21:33:06] Redslash: I think I only played a bad/incomplete translation, back in the day [2015-09-29 21:35:13] eLmaGus: that would be the one i played for a bit [2015-09-29 21:42:10] Redslash: I kinda wanna run it [2015-09-29 21:45:58] Redslash: My memory might be wrong, but I tend to think of Radical Dreamers as like CC's "storyboard"... awesome script plus scattered animations [2015-09-29 21:52:59] Redslash: I wonder if releasing Radical Dreamers as a game meant that they almost gave up on actually making CC... =0 [2015-09-29 21:53:09] Redslash: But idk [2015-09-30 11:46:18 | Edited 11:47:35] Redslash: Woo, 2:49:43 http://goo.gl/hmcIu9 [2015-09-30 11:49:42] SnesWarrior: Nice dude! Broke the 2:50 [2015-09-30 11:54:04] Gand988: gg [2015-09-30 11:54:33] Puwexil: any new surprises or is it mostly just super-optimized movement? [2015-09-30 12:01:08] Redslash: Nothing new really, same battle speeds and everything [2015-09-30 12:03:29] Redslash: If I actually go by 60fps, it's 2:49:57... There's nothing I could think to improve either, except I definitely should've bought 21 MTs (came up short since I skipped Fulltonics) [2015-09-30 13:42:59] Gand988: i hate this game [2015-09-30 13:44:04] Gand988: Always fuckedup the 65-000.000 and 2 reset to find the good rng against flea -.- [2015-09-30 13:45:10] Gand988: and i die against slash because i didn't wait for the last attack against robo and all dies. :( [2015-09-30 13:53:11] eLmaGus: nice going to waste 3 hours of my life watching this so i can make 2 lines of notes probably [2015-09-30 13:53:13] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-09-30 13:53:22] eLmaGus: well its not a waste per say, grat on this [2015-09-30 14:11:59] Redslash: Rofl... hope u enjoy [2015-09-30 14:12:10] eLmaGus: i am enjoying right now [2015-09-30 14:12:17] eLmaGus: im actually making movies for the segments [2015-09-30 14:12:19] eLmaGus: lul [2015-09-30 14:12:56] eLmaGus: making notes aswell with questions and such [2015-09-30 14:12:59] eLmaGus: expect dumb questions in 3 hours [2015-09-30 14:14:57] eLmaGus: nice Yakra [2015-09-30 14:16:06] Redslash: Nice, nice. I even intended to stream it today actually, but... maybe tomorrow [2015-09-30 14:16:34] eLmaGus: oh should i save my dumb questions for the stream then [2015-09-30 14:17:57] Redslash: Idk, now I'm feeling pretty lazy about it X) [2015-09-30 14:18:06] eLmaGus: : > [2015-09-30 14:18:25] eLmaGus: i already have 3 questions after 20 minutes [2015-09-30 14:18:27] eLmaGus: its pretty good [2015-09-30 14:18:32] eLmaGus: when this is done i can make an essay [2015-09-30 14:19:27] eLmaGus: but i would defenitley support a stream of this : > ) [2015-09-30 14:20:29] Gand988: no blue yakra [2015-09-30 14:20:46] Gand988: i hope to see it for a moment :( [2015-09-30 14:20:58] eLmaGus: guilty [2015-09-30 14:20:59] eLmaGus: hacks [2015-09-30 14:21:24] eLmaGus: this defenitley never happens in runs [2015-09-30 14:21:52] eLmaGus: im actually pretty excited to see this after R-Series [2015-09-30 14:22:25] Gand988: dat lab 16 [2015-09-30 14:23:23] eLmaGus: yo no skipping ahead [2015-09-30 14:23:26] eLmaGus: what is this [2015-09-30 14:23:43] Gand988: is possible to catch the Rat earlier ? maybe trying something like we do for zombor? [2015-09-30 14:24:33] eLmaGus: cant wait until i have to yolo the guards like this tape does [2015-09-30 14:24:43] eLmaGus: that will be a very sad day [2015-09-30 14:25:26] Gand988: 2330 speed :V [2015-09-30 14:27:54] Gand988: Red i think you can save 10 second against the alkaline in the factory... don't attack with lucca and wait for a new cyclone and see if you can hit all 5 [2015-09-30 14:32:12] Redslash: Ahh maybe so. Getting good damage rolls is tough though, so I just went with this [2015-09-30 14:32:37] Redslash: Btw this movie is identical with my LSS theory TAS, up until Spekkio =) [2015-09-30 14:32:42] Gand988: with a good rework i think you can save 2 min [2015-09-30 14:33:08] Gand988: the menuing is a bit slow [2015-09-30 14:33:31] eLmaGus: its supposed to be [2015-09-30 14:34:12] Gand988: to be slow ? [2015-09-30 14:34:30] eLmaGus: its a theory TAS, human limit yadayada [2015-09-30 14:34:57] Gand988: yep... is true [2015-09-30 14:39:30] Gand988: nice job btw :) [2015-09-30 14:40:58] Redslash: Haha, I could probably do better with menus. But yeah, this is all played in real-time, just with savestates (and, turbo through text...) [2015-09-30 14:41:19] Redslash: And thanks man =) [2015-09-30 14:56:42] Gand988: we don't need more the dark mail in any%? [2015-09-30 14:57:56] eLmaGus: uh setting Flame Toss on Masa & Mune [2015-09-30 14:57:58] eLmaGus: thats a good one [2015-09-30 15:00:49] eLmaGus: also i believe red picked up a lot of money here and there where we dont [2015-09-30 15:00:55] eLmaGus: thats why he probably doesnt get it [2015-09-30 15:01:07] eLmaGus: he went "out of his way" for a couple money chests [2015-09-30 15:01:23] eLmaGus: at least from what im noticing [2015-09-30 15:01:28] Redslash: I don't buy Fulltonics, so that's the big thing [2015-09-30 15:01:52] Redslash: I learned that Flametoss just recently, from Jerry I think, or Otta [2015-09-30 15:02:40] Redslash: In any case someone told me while I was streaming, quite nice of them [2015-09-30 15:04:13] eLmaGus: yeah that is defenitley a good one [2015-09-30 15:04:18] eLmaGus: never thought about it [2015-09-30 15:04:41] ElGranJerry: Yw [2015-09-30 15:04:42] Puwexil: same, since I have yet to do lucca-less magus' castle [2015-09-30 15:05:15] Redslash: Thx Jerry =3 [2015-09-30 15:05:28] eLmaGus: also whats up with the delaying to sell stuff [2015-09-30 15:06:15] ElGranJerry: ^ this [2015-09-30 15:06:18] Redslash: 4 fewer textboxes from shop guy. But it's not a huge timesave [2015-09-30 15:06:26] ElGranJerry: I thought it was for zerk masa only? [2015-09-30 15:06:33] eLmaGus: i see i see [2015-09-30 15:06:38] eLmaGus: and you can equip the mirage hand [2015-09-30 15:06:48] eLmaGus: but thats not a big one that one saves 1 cursor movement [2015-09-30 15:06:49] eLmaGus: overall [2015-09-30 15:06:54] eLmaGus: but cool [2015-09-30 15:07:06] SnesWarrior: It just works better in the LSS route Jerry, way more time save [2015-09-30 15:07:35] SnesWarrior: Well... LSS route + zerk masa [2015-09-30 15:08:33] ElGranJerry: Kk [2015-09-30 15:09:57] eLmaGus: also renaming robo is ideally faster if you do it fast enough huh [2015-09-30 15:10:26] ElGranJerry: Yuuup [2015-09-30 15:10:35] ElGranJerry: Save those frames [2015-09-30 15:17:21] Redslash: I guess so. The thing is, textboxes seem to do this thing where they move forward in 8-frame increments (so like, you could have 7 fewer characters in a box, but the next box will still not appear faster) [2015-09-30 15:18:03] eLmaGus: i see [2015-09-30 15:18:09] eLmaGus: bobo it is [2015-09-30 15:18:11] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-09-30 15:18:34] eLmaGus: his name falls so rarely [2015-09-30 15:19:35] Redslash: I don't know how prevalent this mechanic is. But the way I see it -4 characters means "50% chance of saving 8 frames", whereas for -3 characters... we probably need to investigate each usage [2015-09-30 15:20:07] eLmaGus: eh [2015-09-30 15:20:17] eLmaGus: that seems like an awful lot of work [2015-09-30 15:21:07] Redslash: Ayla is basically -6 since she always says her name X) [2015-09-30 15:21:15] eLmaGus: heh ya [2015-09-30 15:21:30] Redslash: But yeah, Robo & Frog appear ~60 times each [2015-09-30 15:22:02] eLmaGus: mhmh [2015-09-30 15:28:49] Redslash: I should stream frame-checking every textbox instead [2015-09-30 15:29:14] eLmaGus: noooooooooooooooooooooooooo [2015-09-30 15:29:28] eLmaGus: : > [2015-09-30 15:30:37] Redslash: But it's what the people want =/ [2015-09-30 15:30:47] Redslash: Lol, ok [2015-09-30 15:30:48] eLmaGus: dang i am not the people [2015-09-30 15:30:50] eLmaGus: 8( [2015-09-30 15:39:21] Redslash: Wouldn't you rather be the state? [2015-09-30 15:39:30] eLmaGus: not sure [2015-09-30 15:41:21] SnesWarrior: In Murica' that answer is a no [2015-09-30 15:43:35] eLmaGus: you set Tech for robo for Magus castle all the way back at the acid/alkaline fight [2015-09-30 15:43:37] eLmaGus: right? [2015-09-30 15:43:40] eLmaGus: i totally missed that [2015-09-30 15:46:49] Redslash: Hmm... wow, that's a coincidence, but I guess you should do that =P [2015-09-30 15:47:03] eLmaGus: yeah Robo's ATB for the Jugglers is questionable at best [2015-09-30 15:47:08] eLmaGus: especially for the first Laser Spin [2015-09-30 15:47:17] eLmaGus: so being on tech enables you to just hammer on A pretty much [2015-09-30 15:48:23] Puwexil: I toyed with setting robo to tech before running from the 1st acid/alkanine battle, when I was looking for robo mid-tonic setups for slash [2015-09-30 15:49:11] Puwexil: well, setting to item in that case, but you get the idea [2015-09-30 15:50:39] Redslash: Also guys, I failed to note that if you make any mistakes w/ Laserspin Juggler strat, bad RNG is basically guaranteed =X [2015-09-30 15:51:14] Redslash: Since you end on E1 with the strat, and absolute latest you can be for good RNG is E2.. [2015-09-30 15:51:24] eLmaGus: oh i noticed [2015-09-30 15:51:26] eLmaGus: dont worry [2015-09-30 15:51:29] eLmaGus: I NOTICED [2015-09-30 15:51:37] eLmaGus: 8(((((((((( [2015-09-30 15:53:19] Redslash: Dang. I was really hoping no one would make a mistake [2015-09-30 15:53:31] eLmaGus: well the first time i did it blind in a run [2015-09-30 15:53:32] eLmaGus: and [2015-09-30 15:53:37] eLmaGus: yeah Robos ATB threw me off [2015-09-30 15:53:42] eLmaGus: because the first turn has this weird delay [2015-09-30 15:53:45] eLmaGus: and you know [2015-09-30 15:53:48] eLmaGus: things happened [2015-09-30 15:53:50] eLmaGus: and i got owned [2015-09-30 15:56:23] Redslash: Yup. I'm trying different ways to delay the slash. Reacting to Crono's turn seems kinda nice [2015-09-30 15:59:24] Redslash: And oh yeah, I've been using a neat script for phase 2 of Magus (after the 3 lightning)... [2015-09-30 15:59:46] eLmaGus: yeah i already noted to rewatch that [2015-09-30 16:06:18] eLmaGus: past BT now, fewer questions than i thought i would have [2015-09-30 16:12:08] eLmaGus: how do you walk through the Nu in zeal [2015-09-30 16:12:19] eLmaGus: right doorframe -> up/left? [2015-09-30 16:13:21] eLmaGus: a smart person wouldve turned on the input display [2015-09-30 16:13:26] eLmaGus: cant say i have though [2015-09-30 16:15:48 | Edited 16:17:17] Redslash: Oh yeah... you just hold Up but there's a trick to it. As you're coming down from the central door, you have to barely hit the left of the stairs (notice I use the statue to line up, then move a tiny bit leftward between the statue and stairs), and that puts you on odd-pixel [2015-09-30 16:16:16] Redslash: But it's not much faster than making him move [2015-09-30 16:16:21] eLmaGus: i know still [2015-09-30 16:16:25] eLmaGus: frames are frames [2015-09-30 16:21:45] eLmaGus: how much HP does Marle need for Retinite? [2015-09-30 16:24:55] Redslash: Not sure... I really should've gone for a better Retinite spawn, but oh well X) [2015-09-30 16:25:08] eLmaGus: you also didnt set Tech on her BibleThump [2015-09-30 16:25:50] eLmaGus: but yeah it seems like Crono 240 for the sand cyclone is the big one [2015-09-30 16:25:54] eLmaGus: she needs 140+ [2015-09-30 16:26:14] eLmaGus: i just wrote those numbers down now because you know... its Retinite [2015-09-30 16:27:19] Redslash: Hmm whoops, totally forgot she was on Item [2015-09-30 16:28:16] Redslash: I should fix Retinite thru the end. Because I also didn't get the crit on Giga Gaia [2015-09-30 16:28:32] eLmaGus: huh [2015-09-30 16:28:35] eLmaGus: well well [2015-09-30 16:29:16] Redslash: And the BT refight I should spend time on and remember how to setup that crit [2015-09-30 16:29:19] eLmaGus: cant wait to try all this stuff without Full Tonics [2015-09-30 16:30:40] Redslash: Ugh, my poor Midtonics... I won't start over from Denadoro though [2015-09-30 16:30:57] eLmaGus: its good as it is imo [2015-09-30 16:31:01] eLmaGus: minor details here and there [2015-09-30 16:31:19] eLmaGus: ALTHOUGH [2015-09-30 16:31:29] eLmaGus: i really dont like the Roly fights at the start 8 [2015-09-30 16:31:30] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-09-30 16:32:37] Redslash: Ha! True true [2015-09-30 16:34:01] eLmaGus: wonder if its worth keeping robo in the party for before starting the Lavos Shell [2015-09-30 16:34:04] eLmaGus: text wise you know [2015-09-30 16:34:06] eLmaGus: switch afterwards [2015-09-30 16:39:11] Redslash: Ah maybe... A while back I was trying hard to have him kill Zombor and get his MP stolen X) [2015-09-30 16:39:38] eLmaGus: nice one lol [2015-09-30 16:45:11] eLmaGus: Kiss huh [2015-09-30 16:49:17] Redslash: Meh. Also should sort items sooner instead of scrolling to Midtonics [2015-09-30 16:50:12] eLmaGus: should probably have shelter on top of 1 scroll [2015-09-30 16:50:23] eLmaGus: that way you can sort way early for mid tonics on top [2015-09-30 16:50:47] eLmaGus: well done though sir [2015-09-30 16:50:51] eLmaGus: i enjoyed most of it [2015-09-30 16:50:59] eLmaGus: minus the cutscenes where i went to smoke heh [2015-09-30 16:53:40] eLmaGus: cant believe i watched all of it lol [2015-09-30 16:55:13] Redslash: Nice... thanks for watching man [2015-09-30 16:56:29] Redslash: The item routing, in terms of where stuff is in the menu (including the accessories..) could definitely use some more attention [2015-09-30 16:58:12] eLmaGus: yeah i will be aiming for one sort after shopping and then moving shelters to the top of the second list basically [2015-09-30 16:58:22] eLmaGus: that should suffice for "normal" RTA purposes [2015-09-30 16:58:30] eLmaGus: other than that you dont really do much in the menu anyways [2015-09-30 17:01:22] Redslash: Oh yeah, and here's that Magus fight http://pastebin.com/y8txtmhy [2015-09-30 17:06:14] eLmaGus: neat thanks [2015-09-30 17:10:30] ElGranJerry: Gonna record it locally so I can view it easier anytime I want. I can send you the file later if you want to YT upload or something red [2015-09-30 18:56:48] Redslash: Ooh nice. Maybe, I'll see... [2015-09-30 18:57:34] Redslash: I'm gonna go ahead and present it with the overlays and maybe upload that. Tweaking some stuff right now... [2015-10-01 6:43:43] ElGranJerry: oook, I just find it super tedious to use .smv and find the exact moment I want to check [2015-10-01 8:12:10] eLmaGus: ^ did the same, recorded 12 segments [2015-10-01 8:12:42] ElGranJerry: Sweet [2015-10-01 8:13:00] ElGranJerry: I should prolly do that instead of the full run [2015-10-01 8:14:10] Gand988: Jerry use obs to recorder it [2015-10-01 8:14:33] ElGranJerry: Xspliy [2015-10-01 8:14:35] ElGranJerry: T [2015-10-01 8:14:40] Gand988: or xsplit [2015-10-01 8:14:45] Gand988: same :D [2015-10-01 8:14:55] ElGranJerry: Yeah, super easy with those [2015-10-01 8:14:57] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-10-01 8:42:16] Gand988: btw, the only positive things of doing the normal any% is that you don't need to go back in all the teleport of Antiquity [2015-10-01 8:42:17] Gand988: xD [2015-10-01 10:23:39] Redslash: Theory TAS viewing might be tomorrow... I wanna put notes up alongside, and maybe give folks more notice X) [2015-10-01 10:24:53] Redslash: I won't go too crazy with it, but I'd like to show the alternative strats too (Roly Riders...) [2015-10-01 10:25:31] Gand988: are you gonna streaming today red ? [2015-10-01 10:28:23] Redslash: I'm thinking about doing a run. But I might just watch today =) [2015-10-01 11:42:39] ElGranJerry: I am strumming my 3:01 to write down mistakes and practice areas [2015-10-01 11:42:52] ElGranJerry: Then watch theory tas and practice [2015-10-01 11:42:58] ElGranJerry: Sub 3 should be free :( [2015-10-01 11:43:36] Gand988: jesus... retinite is really hard to fight :| [2015-10-01 11:44:05] Gand988: i never try to follow the boss note because of the LSS.. but.. guys...you need to be fast xD [2015-10-01 11:51:08] Redslash: Yeah... you are still doing LSS route? I've never tried a slower battle speed, but it might be a good idea [2015-10-01 11:53:01] Gand988: no i'm following the original one [2015-10-01 11:55:14] Gand988: i want try BT and retinite at speed 3 and see if is better. [2015-10-01 11:55:18] Redslash: Gotcha, yeah they're both tough. In theory TAS I got a troll "pattern" where it was almost impossible to kill the legs fast, I should look into it [2015-10-01 11:56:21] Redslash: Might've even been because I was not full HP [2015-10-01 12:03:03] Redslash: (...If you happen to be playing off of the theory TAS fight, sorry!) I do need to redo it X) [2015-10-01 13:35:42] eLmaGus: oh question about the Lavos Elixirs [2015-10-01 13:35:57] eLmaGus: you use Frog/ayla, if you reload there when you messed up, does the fight change [2015-10-01 13:36:02] eLmaGus: the core one obv [2015-10-01 13:58:54] Redslash: If you reload when you messed up Retinite? [2015-10-01 14:00:35 | Edited 14:01:17] Redslash: The no-reload Lavos core after the Shell fight, plays out the same as a mash load: Frog is P2, wait for P3 to die and Frog atk left bit [2015-10-01 14:03:38] Redslash: (Crono may or may not die before P3, and P3 can be killed in several ways. Just wait for it~) [2015-10-01 14:28:25] eLmaGus: thats what i wanted to know [2015-10-01 14:28:26] eLmaGus: ty [2015-10-01 15:15:04] eLmaGus: man i want Ice Tackle to be a part of the run [2015-10-01 15:15:07] eLmaGus: but we get so few TP [2015-10-01 15:16:17] ElGranJerry: I'd love for Frog squash to be a part of the run [2015-10-01 17:14:37] Redslash: Cool I fixed Desert hitboxes, so that's almost everything... I'll work through 100% sometime [2015-10-01 17:14:56] Redslash: (100% theory TAS next? Mwaha) [2015-10-01 17:20:53] Redslash: Also bring back Dino Tail [2015-10-01 17:24:54] Redslash: Oh right, still holding out for Black Hole [2015-10-01 17:40:32] eLmaGus: i would very much appreciate a 100% TTAS [2015-10-01 17:40:35] eLmaGus: since i wanna get into that soon [2015-10-01 18:23:51] ElGranJerry: 100% is Kreygasm I am picking it up for a marathon next month [2015-10-01 18:24:16] ElGranJerry: watching puwexil's run atm and taking notes :P [2015-10-01 20:22:47] Redslash: Hundo would indeed be fun. I'm excited [2015-10-01 20:46:08] Redslash: Oh I was looking at Denadoro and you can do a kinda swag Tata skip. Basically the first possible spot that overlaps (far right, top corner), you can save while still running upward [2015-10-01 20:55:34] Redslash: There's 9 different tiles you can save on, for it to work~ [2015-10-01 21:00:44 | Edited 21:01:52] Redslash: Kinda wanna try Goblin skip, although 1.8sec load probably undoes the savings [2015-10-01 21:06:23 | Edited 21:11:23] Redslash: Wish we could enter 65M on earlier RNG and do some jumps (I should check the 5-Reptite arrangement where you slash the 2 on the right) [2015-10-01 23:44:06] Redslash: I'm still tickled that when I messaged r/Speedrun last week about adding SRX to their Upcoming Marathons listing, the response I got back was "cool cool cool" (and it wasn't listed) [2015-10-02 2:23:40] Gand988: is possible that sometimes you need to hit 2 times the Shell when he's in Gaia form? (after the 9 falcon hit) [2015-10-02 3:17:32] Gand988: question : against retinite we can set Tech Antipode on marle or we need to restart if we do that ? So we can have marle ready for the lavos shell [heckran] [2015-10-02 3:18:37] Gand988: ok nothing, i don't know why marle was setting on items in my game... my fault xD [2015-10-02 4:13:57] ElGranJerry: Yes gand, if you dont get the giga gaia crit then double attack is fine [2015-10-02 4:13:57] ElGranJerry: Marle is on item if you get hit with sand cyclone during retinite [2015-10-02 4:13:57] ElGranJerry: Since you heal her [2015-10-02 9:13:18] SnesWarrior: Oh woah. So I used to think I did this because I was being too early with the d-pad. It turns out I was only half right.... you can totally plink in this game. Or maybe it's not plinking since you can hit the buttons at the same frame as well [2015-10-02 9:14:42] SnesWarrior: ...but I still haven't quite figured it out, it's only working with specific moves for example, in my masa&mune fight currently Lucca can plink to target the 2nd enemy by default, but it's only working for Flame Toss and Fire Punch in her menu [2015-10-02 9:15:49] SnesWarrior: Fire won't plink at all for some reason [2015-10-02 9:21:58] SnesWarrior: (For ppl who aren't familiar with plinking its a Street Fighter term where you can input a button a frame before another but the game still recognizes and processes the input) [2015-10-02 9:23:41] SnesWarrior: And it seems in this case you have a lot of leniency when your cursor goes to the enemy, so if you accidentally hold the d-pad down for a short time the cursor doesn't go crazy and start cycling between them [2015-10-02 9:29:39] Redslash: Oh for targetting? crazy... I was experimenting with tapping A to select the move then X to confirm target, since you can do a nice sweep motion [2015-10-02 9:33:27] SnesWarrior: That's a good idea too - in cases you can plink to your desired target DirectionA + A is pretty sweet [2015-10-02 9:34:38 | Edited 9:34:49] SnesWarrior: And it looks like you can plink using all d-pad inputs. We're definitely gonna have to experiment with it [2015-10-02 9:35:27] SnesWarrior: Wonder why Fire isn't plinkable tho, maybe it's all pure magic spells or something? [2015-10-02 9:37:43 | Edited 9:37:54] SnesWarrior: Alright, good guess. All of Crono's moves plink except Lightning [2015-10-02 9:43:17] Redslash: Hm yep... I was trying it in the Hench+Bat fight [2015-10-02 9:44:27] Redslash: Another thing though? Pressing left with Slash targets a different enemy than pressing left with Lightning? [2015-10-02 9:44:37] Redslash: Not sure I was aware of that X) [2015-10-02 9:45:12] SnesWarrior: Lol.. that's odd [2015-10-02 9:46:10] SnesWarrior: All pure magic spells don't do that do they?? [2015-10-02 9:46:22] Redslash: Or no, Slash and Light are the same, it was Cyclone [2015-10-02 9:46:38] SnesWarrior: ah ok [2015-10-02 9:47:08] Redslash: Maybe cuz single vs multi-target [2015-10-02 9:49:15] SnesWarrior: Think you're right, Flame Toss does the same [2015-10-02 10:19:48] Redslash: Whhhat... I opened the closet to go in the gate, but the gate didn't appear and the closet just shut again [2015-10-02 10:20:24] Redslash: Still had control of the party somehow, so I guess it's cuz I moved out of position [2015-10-02 10:40:01] SnesWarrior: lol! awesome [2015-10-02 10:41:07] SnesWarrior: I actually had a similar occurrence the other day in the Prison. Banged on the prison bars, got the text, but it didn't lock me in place [2015-10-02 10:50:51] Redslash: I had a weird thing happen once where I believe they said "Pipe down" 3 times... like I queued up an interaction both by walking into the bars and pressing A at the same time, and the result was an extra one [2015-10-02 10:55:34] SnesWarrior: Yeah the textbox when I was in control didn't count or something either so I had to open another one as well. Actually had to move up and back down to be able to interact with the bars again =/ [2015-10-02 11:11:57] Ottavino: why Bobo instead of Robo? [2015-10-02 11:17:07] Redslash: Lol... it's part of the LSS setup [2015-10-02 11:17:30] Redslash: Not really, but it's cha0stwitch's fault [2015-10-02 11:20:18] Redslash: It's actually the perfect name for a robot [2015-10-02 11:28:16 | Edited 11:33:09] Redslash: Oh god, Marle's line is even, "Robo... that's perfect!" I was trying to make Wild ARMs reference [2015-10-02 12:53:57] Redslash: I started thinking about what a completely original and fun-to-speedrun CT hack would look like... with like, actual sequence-breaking [2015-10-02 13:09:49] eLmaGus: red wanna friday night metroid today? 8) [2015-10-02 13:10:26] Redslash: Ooh dang, kinda [2015-10-02 13:12:02] Redslash: Are we practicing beforehand? Lol [2015-10-02 13:12:45] eLmaGus: no im going all in [2015-10-02 13:15:29] Redslash: Alright, cuz I haven't touched that game probably since February [2015-10-02 13:19:08] eLmaGus: havent played since 2014 [2015-10-02 13:19:12] eLmaGus: its gonna be fun to die [2015-10-02 18:18:13] ElGranJerry: Who is up for the race tomorrow? [2015-10-02 18:20:01] Grondious60: I am not going to be able to make it to this one unfortunately :\ [2015-10-02 18:21:48] SnesWarrior: Pretty sure I'll be there [2015-10-02 18:38:46] Ottavino: be there too i think [2015-10-02 18:40:37] ElGranJerry: Cool. Theres a 90% chance i will join [2015-10-02 18:40:52] ElGranJerry: Probably not getting sub 2 but w/e [2015-10-02 20:26:11] eLmaGus: 2 PM EST eh [2015-10-02 20:37:59] Redslash: Yo that was fun. Btw, SM community is trying to start up a 2nd weekly race, Sundays 1pm EST [2015-10-02 20:44:57] eLmaGus: i know im probably game again [2015-10-02 20:45:02] eLmaGus: trying to go below 1:10 [2015-10-02 20:45:03] eLmaGus: :> [2015-10-02 20:45:35] eLmaGus: but yeah the sunday one is certainly better for me personally [2015-10-02 20:52:26] Redslash: Yeah. It'd be cool for me too, if we're having Sunday CT race right after that [2015-10-02 20:53:07] Redslash: Back-to-back race could be real [2015-10-02 21:14:39] Redslash: Rofl, I guess SRL points are kinda randomized... since Seven ranked above you [2015-10-02 21:21:47] eLmaGus: hah yeah [2015-10-02 21:21:52] eLmaGus: but thats because i raced this way back [2015-10-02 21:21:54] eLmaGus: like years ago [2015-10-02 21:21:55] eLmaGus: lol [2015-10-02 21:26:19] Redslash: Ahh, so it's just buggy then =) [2015-10-02 21:30:35] Redslash: I thought Seasons was a cool idea... if they had simply followed through and didn't just drop it, I think SRL could've grown [2015-10-02 21:33:10] Redslash: But when they went back on it, to me that was the "rip SRL" moment. I used to spend all my time there [2015-10-02 21:38:12] Redslash: The thing where they need community consensus for everything now. It worked better under straight-up elitism [2015-10-02 21:41:38] Redslash: Because it was fun that way. But back then, the viewer "community" was kind of elite too =) [2015-10-02 21:45:52] eLmaGus: heh certainly [2015-10-02 21:45:55] eLmaGus: seasons was fun [2015-10-02 21:46:02] eLmaGus: but idk, they really dropped the ball [2015-10-02 21:50:18] Redslash: Yeah, it's ok though, their IRC is still THE place. But the site... I'm actually disappointed there's no button to tweet out a race X) [2015-10-02 21:55:03] Redslash: Lol... should I continue Magus races by doing Stab% (LSS) attempts on weekends, even though I'm trying to focus on Any% during the week? Seems logical [2015-10-02 21:58:20] eLmaGus: well i mean [2015-10-02 21:58:29] eLmaGus: the way im gonna approach these races [2015-10-02 21:58:36] eLmaGus: if i have 56 or lower zombor [2015-10-02 21:58:39] eLmaGus: ima get silver stuff [2015-10-02 21:58:42] eLmaGus: if not [2015-10-02 21:58:42] eLmaGus: oh well [2015-10-02 21:59:37] Redslash: Mmm, now that's thinking [2015-10-02 22:00:10] Redslash: But, I still have to choose which splits to run =( [2015-10-02 22:03:09] Redslash: Also I approve of the term "silver stuff" [2015-10-02 22:03:47] eLmaGus: oh yeah i use magus race splits aswell... [2015-10-02 22:03:59] eLmaGus: i mean at the end of the day you can always just look back and insert splits [2015-10-02 22:05:03] Redslash: Yeh, might SKIP the splits for races... as I've unintentionally done several times now... [2015-10-02 22:06:11] Redslash: I almost don't want to get Silverstud in Any%. Fall down first waterfall for Earring and book it?? =P [2015-10-02 22:07:44] eLmaGus: lol [2015-10-02 22:07:59] eLmaGus: im not sure if silverstudless is faster [2015-10-02 22:08:02] eLmaGus: never did it [2015-10-02 22:08:03] eLmaGus: never saw it [2015-10-02 22:09:33] Redslash: Same, same. If it does save time, I bet it's like 1 sec. But it'd be swag [2015-10-02 22:09:56] eLmaGus: i mean [2015-10-02 22:10:01] eLmaGus: if you pickup the earring [2015-10-02 22:10:03] eLmaGus: you know [2015-10-02 22:10:17] eLmaGus: you might aswell pickup the stud [2015-10-02 22:12:31] Redslash: That's most of the time sink, yeah. But jumping from Stud platform down to Earring platform still seems kinda substantial. Tho I'm sure using extra Ethers eats it up fast [2015-10-02 22:14:58] eLmaGus: unless you rescript the fights [2015-10-02 22:14:59] eLmaGus: huehue [2015-10-02 22:15:03] eLmaGus: or use berserkers instead [2015-10-02 22:15:06] eLmaGus: Kreygasm [2015-10-02 22:16:56] eLmaGus: best idea ever actually [2015-10-02 22:17:02] eLmaGus: 2 berserkers and 1 Rage Band [2015-10-02 22:17:05] eLmaGus: sit there and watch the battles [2015-10-02 22:17:24] Redslash: Oh god, can it even be done... Berserk final Shell [2015-10-02 22:17:44] Redslash: Wait, yeah, I did that a while back.... [2015-10-02 22:17:48] eLmaGus: : D [2015-10-02 22:18:04] eLmaGus: its a pretty cool idea once you have Frog/Ayla [2015-10-02 22:18:11] eLmaGus: so its actually worth thinking about [2015-10-02 22:18:17] eLmaGus: it could be a pretty ocol thing for nizbel [2015-10-02 22:18:27] eLmaGus: for instances [2015-10-02 22:18:30] eLmaGus: -s [2015-10-02 22:21:06] Redslash: Cool think about Berserker is you take -25% damage, in addition to dealing +25% damage, so it actually worked out for Shell. [2015-10-02 22:21:29] eLmaGus: oh baby [2015-10-02 22:21:29] Redslash: Was it faster though... lol [2015-10-02 22:22:02] eLmaGus: also slash [2015-10-02 22:22:12] eLmaGus: is a fight that could benefit from Rage Band/Berserkers [2015-10-02 22:24:46] Redslash: You're thinking double Berserker Slash? Maybe for Nizbel we need Zerk on Crono and/or Robo [2015-10-02 22:25:29] eLmaGus: yeah nizbel would suffer if you would dobule zerk slash [2015-10-02 22:25:45] Redslash: Retinite would be really interesting to script with Berserker, my notion is it that can't be done [2015-10-02 22:25:55] Redslash: But, I've never tried [2015-10-02 22:25:56] eLmaGus: well [2015-10-02 22:26:08] eLmaGus: if you give Frog Water [2015-10-02 22:26:10] eLmaGus: and make him fast [2015-10-02 22:26:13] eLmaGus: it might be possible [2015-10-02 22:26:14] eLmaGus: but [2015-10-02 22:26:19] eLmaGus: it seems pretty rough [2015-10-02 22:28:58] Redslash: If only Dashring were in Magic Cave, not Heckran Cave... [2015-10-02 22:30:45] eLmaGus: Dash Ring huh [2015-10-02 22:31:11] eLmaGus: you could actually go there and get the Taban Suit aswell HEHE [2015-10-02 22:31:11] Redslash: Ayla would have to have Zerk not Crono, else we can't heal Ret Core (which we would def need to) [2015-10-02 22:31:34] Redslash: Yeah they kinda go hand in hand [2015-10-02 22:34:40] eLmaGus: you could get a speed tab in the forest in 600 [2015-10-02 22:34:42] eLmaGus: before retinite [2015-10-02 22:34:45] eLmaGus: but im sure thats not enough [2015-10-02 22:36:07 | Edited 22:36:21] Redslash: Tabansuit won't happen in Any% unless you get it after Greendream, expressly for the Shell. So there'd have to be really cool Lucca strats [2015-10-02 22:36:24] eLmaGus: yeah [2015-10-02 22:37:28] eLmaGus: oh yeah [2015-10-02 22:37:38] eLmaGus: does somebody have a savestate after Black Tyrano for 100% [2015-10-02 22:38:15] eLmaGus: i really dont want to play through the game just to do 2 fights differently [2015-10-02 22:51:25] Redslash: I wonder if we could do a Provoke on Shell Azala, skip an Azala move and possibly 1 less slash. I'll check it tmrw [2015-10-02 22:52:09] Redslash: Not sure if I have good states but I will check [2015-10-02 22:52:39] eLmaGus: damn provoke [2015-10-02 22:52:49] eLmaGus: that would be quite something [2015-10-02 22:54:12] Redslash: Yeah, I used several Provokes in the JP fight (else would've lost way over a minute there) [2015-10-02 22:55:00] Redslash: I had Marle hasted... and did a few rounds of Provoke-Slash-Icetoss [2015-10-02 22:55:21] eLmaGus: daaaaaaaaaaaamn [2015-10-02 22:55:23] eLmaGus: lol [2015-10-02 22:56:53] Redslash: I still get sentimental about JP Shell fight, no one will ever see it =') [2015-10-02 22:57:30] Redslash: Well ok, Azala was the big one [2015-10-02 23:00:28] Redslash: Freakin BT, dude... what a fight [2015-10-02 23:03:30] Redslash: Thanks again for looking up the strat. Rip that run tho. Can't wait to reset after Alkaline fights [2015-10-02 23:16:24] eLmaGus: no worries i got your TTAS on tape [2015-10-02 23:16:26] eLmaGus: so i can just scroll through [2015-10-03 3:24:39] Gand988: ready for the race! [2015-10-03 8:59:39] Redslash: Getting ready! [2015-10-03 9:26:25] ElGranJerry: I am not gonna make it. Fuck class [2015-10-03 9:26:38] Gand988: =( [2015-10-03 9:52:45] DrunkenDraconian: I made a channel [2015-10-03 9:59:19] Gand988: red are you join us ? [2015-10-03 10:50:34] Jackafur: any one have the BPM for the reload timings? [2015-10-03 10:50:50] Jackafur: I have my own but I remember there was like a list some where. I mostly interested in the magus one. [2015-10-03 12:18:23] SnesWarrior: Lol, I like how Belthasar recorded our race [2015-10-03 12:18:40] SnesWarrior: GG's to everyone though, it's always fun to race CT even if you crash and burn [2015-10-03 12:18:57] SnesWarrior: (i'd say that's what makes it fun to race tbh) [2015-10-03 12:19:10] Ottavino: let's do better tomorrow! [2015-10-03 12:19:32] DrunkenDraconian: what do you mean recorded? [2015-10-03 12:21:08] SnesWarrior: dunno, just something that usually happens after a race when they close the lobby, never actually tried to rewatch one though [2015-10-03 12:21:15] SnesWarrior: So I dunno if its recorded in that sense [2015-10-03 12:22:18] SnesWarrior: I guess they just mean recorded as in race results saved [2015-10-03 12:34:33] Gand988: 148 BPM jack [2015-10-03 12:35:44] Gand988: i think i have some timing take from your run... i'll check [2015-10-03 12:39:09] eLmaGus: oh baby [2015-10-03 12:39:14] eLmaGus: what happened this week [2015-10-03 12:39:56] Gand988: maybe you want this list ? http://pastebin.com/pn4nZsCw [2015-10-03 12:41:33] SnesWarrior: We all kinda slopped a little bit elmagus [2015-10-03 12:43:59] SnesWarrior: I got mid-cycle rat and yolo EoT S/A before I wiped out tho, so I'm ok with it [2015-10-03 12:44:04] SnesWarrior: plus learned some stuff [2015-10-03 12:47:33] Gand988: i get the rat too (the one before you get the key-bike), get the EoT SA but i forgot to take the tabs in 1000. fail a fight before nizbel and i've leave becase my parents needed help with something [2015-10-03 12:56:44] eLmaGus: nice [2015-10-03 12:56:50] eLmaGus: but we are improving [2015-10-03 12:56:56] eLmaGus: instead of 4/5 3/6 forfeited [2015-10-03 12:57:02] eLmaGus: at this rate next week 2/7 will! [2015-10-03 12:57:12] SnesWarrior: riiiiiight, haha [2015-10-03 14:47:32] Redslash: Sounds good to me [2015-10-03 14:54:41] Jackafur: yea I think that's it GanD thanks bro [2015-10-04 1:22:22] Gand988: if you think that the ads in Skype are boring [2015-10-04 1:22:22] Gand988: http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-disable-ads-in-skype/ [2015-10-05 8:50:23] ElGranJerry: Soooo I did the new start thingy yesterday and I didnt get the nagaette crit... is there some trick to the roly fights? [2015-10-05 8:52:03] ElGranJerry: I still got the FW on 3 and thenflame toss was super tight timinh before slow [2015-10-05 12:17:36] Ottavino: for the 1st roly fight, chrono attacks bottom enemy (X, left, X), lucca attacks default enemy, wait for lucca's atb up, chrono attacks default enemy, lucca attacks default enemy (battle value end: 77) for the 2nd roly fight, chrono attacks default enemy, lucca attacks left enemy, chrono attacks left enemy (battle value end: B7 iirc) [2015-10-05 12:29:58] ElGranJerry: thx Otta, that was exactly what I did though [2015-10-05 12:30:12] ElGranJerry: maybe I waited too long after Lucca's atb filled in the 1st fight [2015-10-05 12:30:35] ElGranJerry: should've streamed, that way I could go back and check, sigh [2015-10-05 12:32:46] ElGranJerry: Gonna add that to the route, there's also a lot of thing that've been found so if someone wants to add to the route go ahead. I've fell way behind on new stuff [2015-10-05 12:37:10] ElGranJerry: I'm also gonna be running 100% at a few marathons coming up so any% will wait for me at least until next year :/ [2015-10-05 17:31:56] Redslash: Troll freakin' Masa... Glad I finished that run out though, was quite fun [2015-10-05 17:37:08] Redslash: And yeah, Jerry... I'll go ahead and work on updating the doc =) [2015-10-05 17:43:54] Redslash: Probably add mini videos of the fights / backups [2015-10-05 19:12:01] ElGranJerry: If you need any help I can aid, but I wont have controller for a few weeks still [2015-10-05 19:12:49] ElGranJerry: And twitch never saved my magus tutorial highlight... so thats dead :( [2015-10-06 11:58:22] Redslash: Ah dang [2015-10-06 12:02:00] Redslash: I messed around with an "overleveled Frog" Flea fight... you pretty much just need to do the Crono attacks at the start of the fight (you still end on D7) [2015-10-06 12:03:07] Gand988: so crono attack and frog berseker for 16? [2015-10-06 12:03:18] Redslash: Heh, I should try this on "normal" Flea, so you don't have to wait til the end.. [2015-10-06 12:03:43] Redslash: Basically, yeah. Actually still 2 Crono attacks + Ice [2015-10-06 12:06:12] Gand988: red, do you have a value of the max stats for crono with tabs and lvl star? [2015-10-06 12:06:28] Redslash: Because 6C is one of the values Berserker will jump to, and it's a Stare value. Flea isn't supposed to be 1/2HP yet... So we wanna skip it [2015-10-06 12:06:34] Redslash: Oh one sec [2015-10-06 12:07:12] Gand988: i think i need only speed and magic, i want try some ng+ [2015-10-06 12:07:29] Redslash: How bout this http://www.gamefaqs.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/14837 [2015-10-06 12:08:21] Gand988: ah ok, ty [2015-10-06 12:14:08] Redslash: I always wanted to see if lower level NG+ would be just as fast as level 99. Crono had max defenses around 70 (though you'd need 10 more magic tabs, heh) [2015-10-06 12:15:01] Gand988: i was thinking the same things this afternoon, ad maybe try with some elixir glitch [2015-10-06 12:15:03] Redslash: But for Marle's defense, she may still need to be 99 [2015-10-06 12:15:04] Gand988: if is allowed [2015-10-06 12:15:48] Redslash: And oh I forgot, you're gonna get most of your tabs grinding Pink Nu, which requires 99.. [2015-10-06 12:15:54] Ottavino: you can't elixir glitch at the beggining of ng+, no greendream :) [2015-10-06 12:16:51] Gand988: oh the game remove the greendream when you start the NG+? [2015-10-06 12:16:56] Ottavino: yes [2015-10-06 12:17:03] Gand988: smart [2015-10-06 12:18:37] Gand988: and the snes version is still the most faster than DS for ng+ right ? or no one have try it? [2015-10-06 12:19:59] Puwexil: JP SNES is fastest IIRC because of bronze fist glitch [2015-10-06 12:23:47 | Edited 12:24:18] Redslash: Even then, to my knowledge DS generally has longer text... also idk if you can still menu glitch (NG+ does 3) [2015-10-06 16:25:53] Redslash: Ok, I fixed the TTAS from Retinite http://goo.gl/rb1EBz ...found 20 seconds somewhere X) [2015-10-06 16:33:05] Redslash: Part of it is improved sand movement, including I skip the Hyperether at the right side of Retinite's room (where the sand flows only leftward..) [2015-10-06 19:00:01] eLmaGus: neat [2015-10-06 19:00:03] eLmaGus: cant wait to watch it [2015-10-06 19:03:22] ElGranJerry: Guys i finally got my ct cart [2015-10-06 19:03:45] ElGranJerry: 2:56 any% goal now [2015-10-06 19:03:54 | Edited 19:03:55] ElGranJerry: Lets go [2015-10-06 19:20:21] Redslash: Kreyyyyy [2015-10-06 19:20:28] Redslash: Jerry hype [2015-10-06 19:50:45] Redslash: Working on the GigaGaia crit.. depending on the Slash / Azala Break damages, we can either finish BT with the 2 atks (to get 24/25), or a Spincut (to get 21)... [2015-10-06 22:07:13] Redslash: When BT drops defense, seems good to do 1 Falcon and just wait for the "5" count to input the 2nd -- do 2 Falcons before "4", 2 Falcons before "3", etc... then on "1" you could input Spincut, and Ayla does the last Falcon [2015-10-06 22:10:38] Redslash: The case where you wanna Spincut is Azala Break damage 28-29-25, with Marle chomp 105 (vs 103 or 97)... but if Marle gets chomped before Azala Break, that's a different case (you'd need Ayla atk + Crono Slash, in place of the 2 atks...) [2015-10-07 9:52:59] Cronokirby: 600 messages :( [2015-10-07 17:36:04] eLmaGus: did i sleep through the urn? [2015-10-07 17:36:11] eLmaGus: damn son [2015-10-07 17:37:54] eLmaGus: grats red, well done sad i slept [2015-10-07 17:38:04] eLmaGus: you gonna go lower? [2015-10-07 17:38:39] Redslash: Yup, gotta get revenge on BT now =) [2015-10-07 17:39:15] Redslash: Also I picked up Blue Vest so we got White Mail strats =) [2015-10-07 17:44:07] Redslash: I can still improve everywhere except like Zombor and Nizbel splits... accidentally attacked Ozzie, ugh.. [2015-10-07 17:46:57] eLmaGus: ouch [2015-10-07 17:47:02] eLmaGus: i figured as much though [2015-10-07 17:47:09] eLmaGus: but finally brought one from start to end [2015-10-07 17:47:59] Redslash: Yeah! The 4th ever sub-3, lol [2015-10-07 17:49:27] Redslash: So it's an accomplishment [2015-10-07 17:50:34] Redslash: Now I'm at the point, where I wanna practice the heck out of some stuff [2015-10-07 17:53:00 | Edited 17:54:15] Redslash: Not leaving EoT SA to chance, grind Ozzie traps again, maybe Arris dome bugs... and of course BT [2015-10-07 18:37:11] eLmaGus: sounds good [2015-10-07 20:35:20] Redslash: Man, could've been the 2:55. Next time I get 1:49 Magus I'm bringing it home [2015-10-07 20:58:20] Redslash: I should grind 2-fade Rolypoly [2015-10-08 2:02:36] Gand988: grats red, [2015-10-08 2:02:59] Gand988: you need to slow your input btw XD [2015-10-08 5:40:56] Cronokirby: gg [2015-10-08 5:42:39] Cronokirby: what is 2 fade rolypoly? [2015-10-08 5:46:52] ElGranJerry: where did you get that from? [2015-10-08 5:47:05] Cronokirby: [Wednesday, October 07, 2015 20:58] Redslash: [2015-10-08 5:47:05] Cronokirby: <<< I should grind 2-fade Rolypoly [2015-10-08 5:48:35] ElGranJerry: ah idk, sounds like a magus castle thing [2015-10-08 5:49:03] Cronokirby: also [2015-10-08 5:49:06 | Edited 5:50:00] Ottavino: the battle in heckran cave [2015-10-08 5:49:12] Cronokirby: I have a dope setup for eot sa [2015-10-08 5:49:23] Cronokirby: 2 fade including the initial one near the door? [2015-10-08 5:49:35] Cronokirby: just use a 120 bpm metronome for the double tap [2015-10-08 5:50:23] ElGranJerry: it's still 75% chance even if the taps are good [2015-10-08 5:50:41] ElGranJerry: ahk Otta, that makes sense. Thanks [2015-10-08 5:50:49] Cronokirby: where does the 75 come from? [2015-10-08 5:51:51] Ottavino: you can't open menu/party 1 frame on 4 [2015-10-08 5:52:10] Cronokirby: ah [2015-10-08 5:52:17] Cronokirby: this game is so weird :P [2015-10-08 12:31:52] Redslash: Yup, that Heckran cave fadeout, 2 including door. Maybe it's not much harder than the 1-fade prison guards... those cave doors are just tricky [2015-10-08 12:36:08] Cronokirby: is it possible? [2015-10-08 12:36:29] Cronokirby: oh wait [2015-10-08 12:36:36] Cronokirby: I was testing one fadeout [2015-10-08 12:36:41] Cronokirby: 2 isn't that bad [2015-10-08 12:39:11] Redslash: I believed it was too hard, for some reason [2015-10-08 12:41:40] Cronokirby: the hardest part is the intial fadeout at the door [2015-10-08 12:42:20] Redslash: Yeah, it's hard to gauge how deep you need to go [2015-10-08 12:42:25] Cronokirby: One thing I should try and do, is buffer the movement towards the door during the screen transition, for powertab in church [2015-10-08 12:42:47] Cronokirby: that can save you more time than an extra fadeout sometimes [2015-10-08 12:45:14] Redslash: Ooh yeah, I think I do play safe and wait. That's another good spot to work on [2015-10-08 12:45:27] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-08 12:45:47] Cronokirby: I can sometimes do 2 fadeout church tab [2015-10-08 12:45:59] Cronokirby: but only if I wait and position myself near the door [2015-10-08 12:46:23] Cronokirby: but by buffering the initial movement, even if I do 3 fadeouts, it's still faster [2015-10-08 12:47:13] Redslash: Nice [2015-10-08 12:49:00] Redslash: I should also work on how I start Nizbel2 fadeout, still find it tough [2015-10-08 12:49:31] Cronokirby: yeah, that one is tricky, since you have to align yourself between him and the left wall [2015-10-08 12:49:49] Cronokirby: and you really don't want to mess that one up [2015-10-08 12:51:57] Cronokirby: is there a video for gigagaia crit? [2015-10-08 12:51:57] Redslash: What I do is move a bit left of the door (you can buffer run down+left and the door stops you), then run downward. The door will push you a bit rightward, which lets you run straight up past Nizbel [2015-10-08 12:52:23] Cronokirby: nice [2015-10-08 12:53:46] Redslash: What I might try is buffering down only, and moving left once I'm in the door. I'll see if it works [2015-10-08 12:58:06] Redslash: Like, for the Shell BT fight, which gives you the crit? [2015-10-08 13:00:57] Redslash: If you beat Azala pretty fast, you'll usually get the crit just by doing 2 attacks on BT along with your Falconhits. If you had a crazy fast Azala, you need a Spincut [2015-10-08 13:07:27] Redslash: Oh yeah it's also in the Theory TAS (for Snes9x 1.51rr) http://goo.gl/rb1EBz I will stream this soon guys, I promise X) [2015-10-08 13:47:53] Redslash: I propose we use Escape in place of Fight to name some encounters that we run away from. For example, "Reptite escape" just before the Nizbel fight? And Magus Castle escapes, Desert escape, etc [2015-10-08 13:49:19] Redslash: It sounds a bit like "skip" as well... if you miss Bird skip you do Bird escape, lol [2015-10-08 21:02:52] Redslash: Oh dang, we gotta bring back the Captain fadeout (1st time you talk to him). 2 fades (with run+right buffered) saves some frames... 1 fade might be possible?? [2015-10-08 21:07:32 | Edited 21:10:38] Redslash: Cool, it's possible. Need to a bit of "height" though, so you see him turn. Which, also allows you talk to him from further away... =P [2015-10-08 23:26:34] eLmaGus: i feared this day would arrive [2015-10-08 23:26:39] eLmaGus: fading out the captain [2015-10-08 23:26:41] eLmaGus: we are here boys [2015-10-08 23:29:26] Cronokirby: I'll stream the theory tas in a bit [2015-10-08 23:30:20] eLmaGus: hold your horses there [2015-10-08 23:30:35] Cronokirby: if red wants to do it that's fine [2015-10-08 23:30:54] Cronokirby: I'm gonna record it for personal rewatching use anyways [2015-10-08 23:31:00] eLmaGus: gotta get his ok its his work [2015-10-08 23:31:07] Cronokirby: true [2015-10-08 23:31:31] Redslash: You can do what you like =) [2015-10-08 23:32:19] Redslash: When I stream it it'll have overlay and notes and stuff [2015-10-08 23:32:31] Cronokirby: that would be useful [2015-10-08 23:32:40] Cronokirby: do you have the lua script for hitboxes? [2015-10-08 23:33:01] Cronokirby: and btw, do you have practice savestates for snes9x? [2015-10-08 23:33:48] eLmaGus: you can just savestate from the TTAS [2015-10-08 23:33:56] Cronokirby: not a bad idea [2015-10-08 23:34:38] Cronokirby: I wanted to record the ttas while I was away, then rewatch it sped up, and slowed down in certain parts [2015-10-08 23:37:26] Cronokirby: small question, but to trigger save anywhere [2015-10-08 23:37:40] Cronokirby: all you need to do is be on the save point when it fades out right? [2015-10-08 23:37:57] Cronokirby: if you hold a, but walk past it, you won't get it, right? [2015-10-08 23:39:49 | Edited 23:39:59] Redslash: Not sure. That's something I used to try, but I haven't tested it much [2015-10-08 23:41:53] Cronokirby: seems like you have to physically be on the save point [2015-10-08 23:43:04] Redslash: I'll paste an updated hitbox viewer as soon as I can, but this one's recent http://pastebin.com/kwXCLn1X [2015-10-08 23:45:38 | Edited 23:45:52] Redslash: Also, for long SMVs such as this I like to make 10 states that basically cut it evenly in 10 parts. I always consider sharing it along with SMV but it's like 1.5MB... =P [2015-10-08 23:46:31] Cronokirby: thanks man [2015-10-08 23:47:08] eLmaGus: you should be able to jump to a certain frame of the smv if im not mistaken [2015-10-08 23:47:30] eLmaGus: when you open it that is [2015-10-08 23:49:05] Redslash: Whoa, that's news to me. Awesome if that's the case [2015-10-08 23:49:40] Redslash: Idk, maybe for Bizhawk? [2015-10-08 23:51:37] Redslash: Or I guess Snes9x could do it too. It has a secret "super fast-forward" where it doesn't render the graphics... [2015-10-09 0:16:04 | Edited 0:16:22] Redslash: I did do a cool thing with input display, it indicates when turbo (30hz) is used... but, I can't post it atm [2015-10-09 6:40:46] Cronokirby: well [2015-10-09 6:41:06] Cronokirby: I was using the wrong version of snes9x [2015-10-09 6:41:23] Cronokirby: so I now have a 3 hour tas of crono standing in his room [2015-10-09 8:07:04] Redslash: Oh no dude. I know that feel... [2015-10-09 8:07:21] Redslash: I'll see if I can stream it today [2015-10-09 8:07:42] Cronokirby: I can't get the lua script to work on 1.5.1 rerecording [2015-10-09 8:07:44] Cronokirby: idk why [2015-10-09 8:07:55] Cronokirby: Code = magic to me [2015-10-09 8:07:56] Cronokirby: :P [2015-10-09 8:10:24] Redslash: Ahh, does it give you an error? [2015-10-09 8:11:21] Redslash: Also do you have "Disable Cheats" checkmarked? (Even with no cheats added, having this unchecked causes sync issues) [2015-10-09 8:11:50] Cronokirby: that may be the problem [2015-10-09 22:03:59] Redslash: I, like, just noticed Retinite can't absorb from the core after the legs are dead [2015-10-09 22:05:25] Cronokirby: don't we kill the legs first anyways? [2015-10-09 22:07:45] Redslash: Yeah, but for some reason I always expected more absorbs to happen, if you take too long. Idk [2015-10-09 22:08:38 | Edited 22:12:48] Redslash: If you kill the head and the core is on its own (for example, final Spincut doesn't kill and the Catatk kills the head), just wait, and input another Catatk [2015-10-09 22:09:18] Redslash: Once the core is attacked on its own, its Run Away timer shortens dramatically [2015-10-10 9:32:54] DrunkenDraconian: No race for me today :( , I'll have to take the turkey and ham dinner instead. [2015-10-10 9:36:10] Cronokirby: I'll be in tomorrow's race [2015-10-10 9:36:12] Cronokirby: :) [2015-10-11 9:42:01] Cronokirby: so, anyone up for a race? [2015-10-11 9:53:04] Redslash: Ah I'm gonna be late [2015-10-11 9:53:18] Cronokirby: that's fine [2015-10-11 9:53:36] Cronokirby: what time are we looking at? [2015-10-11 9:54:46] Redslash: Can we do 1/2 hour? [2015-10-11 9:54:58] Cronokirby: in 30 minutes [2015-10-11 9:55:01] Cronokirby: ? [2015-10-11 9:55:39] Redslash: Yea [2015-10-11 9:55:43] Cronokirby: that's fine [2015-10-11 9:55:58] Cronokirby: good even, since I need to catch a quick bite anyways [2015-10-11 9:56:39] Redslash: Alright cool [2015-10-11 10:41:29] Redslash: So yeah I'm about ready [2015-10-11 10:45:01] Redslash: Shall I make the channel? [2015-10-11 10:45:08] Cronokirby: sure [2015-10-11 10:46:43] Redslash: K it's up [2015-10-11 10:46:52] Gand988: i'm not in the mood of race, sorry. i'm gonna lurking a bit and watching other stuff [2015-10-11 10:46:53] Gand988: hf [2015-10-11 10:47:19] Cronokirby: are we gonnna do discord? [2015-10-11 10:49:08] Redslash: Heh yeah if you want. Let's see here.. [2015-10-11 12:31:37] Redslash: Ok, I'm streaming theory TAS ~ [2015-10-11 12:31:56] Ottavino: \o/ [2015-10-11 16:38:05] Redslash: Alright, good session [2015-10-11 16:38:57] Redslash: I won't run tomorrow, still wanna practice stuff [2015-10-12 1:03:45] Cronokirby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3404&v=OJTUR67myH8 [2015-10-12 1:03:54] Cronokirby: Is this rta viable? [2015-10-12 1:13:37] eLmaGus: you mean grinding and then beat lavos [2015-10-12 1:13:41] eLmaGus: as soon as we can [2015-10-12 1:13:51] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-12 1:18:03] eLmaGus: not sure [2015-10-12 1:18:21] eLmaGus: if you want luminaire though thats 2900 TP [2015-10-12 1:19:05] eLmaGus: lets say the average battle nets you 9 TP, thats 322 battles [2015-10-12 1:19:35] eLmaGus: lets assume you start grinding after 55 minutes [2015-10-12 1:20:13] eLmaGus: this TAS takes 30 minutes for lavos [2015-10-12 1:20:25] eLmaGus: thats 1:25 , you have 1:30 for 322 battles [2015-10-12 1:20:30] eLmaGus: cheers [2015-10-12 1:21:01] eLmaGus: 16 seconds per battle i think [2015-10-12 1:21:03] eLmaGus: lrl [2015-10-12 1:21:06] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-12 1:21:11] Cronokirby: aint happening [2015-10-12 1:21:25] eLmaGus: but you are welcome to that, lets call it "RIPSanity%" [2015-10-12 1:21:42] Cronokirby: we need to have a category for every ending Kappa [2015-10-12 1:22:07] Cronokirby: though new game, dev ending% sounds like fun [2015-10-12 1:22:10] eLmaGus: tbh though [2015-10-12 1:22:16] eLmaGus: you could probably get away without Luminaire [2015-10-12 1:22:17] eLmaGus: but yeah [2015-10-12 1:22:26] eLmaGus: idk if you manipulate + unequip [2015-10-12 1:22:33] eLmaGus: how much HP you need etcetc [2015-10-12 1:22:54] Cronokirby: even this tas is slower in the end [2015-10-12 1:23:01] Cronokirby: game time of like 3:24 [2015-10-12 1:23:35] Cronokirby: oh, btw, does anyone have the 100% notes? [2015-10-12 1:24:38] eLmaGus: http://chrono.wikidot.com/strategies [2015-10-12 1:24:53] Cronokirby: ah right [2015-10-12 1:25:26] Cronokirby: the notes aren't listed on http://chrono.wikidot.com/ for the manipage, under 100% - route [2015-10-12 1:26:06] Cronokirby: it's the same until after bt right? [2015-10-12 1:29:59] eLmaGus: more or less, it starts to differ a bit after zombor skip [2015-10-12 12:07:05] Redslash: Hm? It's linked there [2015-10-12 12:08:26] Redslash: Saturn's TAS is pretty cool, I love how he had to script the first ~16 grind battles. Also keep in mind tho he does a bunch of perfect Johnny's to accumulate Fullethers X) [2015-10-12 12:10:35] Redslash: Oh, plus a 777 score at the end for 10 Midethers [2015-10-12 13:14:26] Redslash: So, nice, you can buffer left+down when Spekkio tells you to run around the room. Thanks for pointing that out, Otta [2015-10-12 13:14:56] Cronokirby: other thing I found [2015-10-12 13:15:10] Cronokirby: when triggering the first roly rider in gaurdia [2015-10-12 13:15:25] Redslash: (When you buffer diagonal movement your sprite will always face left or right, never up or down - pretty cool) [2015-10-12 13:15:36] Cronokirby: buffer down left, then trigger the fight from the bottom [2015-10-12 13:15:45] Cronokirby: save .5, to .7 seconds [2015-10-12 13:16:48] Redslash: I try to trigger it from the bottom, ye [2015-10-12 13:17:19] Cronokirby: is it faster to move crono up a bit for the first fight in the game? [2015-10-12 13:17:36] Redslash: Plus that way, after the fight, you can buffer down+right and don't get stuck on the tree root =) [2015-10-12 13:17:41] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-12 13:18:27] Cronokirby: the thing with my setup for getting luccah closer to the cathedral crest, is that her position means that she'll get hit by a naga [2015-10-12 13:18:28] Redslash: I move him up a bit because there are certain pixels where the Blue Imp attacks you faster [2015-10-12 13:19:17] Redslash: Ah yeah, I was concerned of something like that happening [2015-10-12 13:25:11] Cronokirby: so no point trying to line her up [2015-10-12 13:34:30] Redslash: I checked Blue Imp.. you get the good pixel if while running left you press Up for 2, 4, 7, or 11 frames [2015-10-12 13:34:51] Cronokirby: nice [2015-10-12 13:36:42] Redslash: So I guess aim for 3... just a tap somewhere [2015-10-12 13:39:14] Cronokirby: Ever since you told me about how diagonal movement worked [2015-10-12 13:39:24] Cronokirby: My movement has really improved [2015-10-12 13:55:44] Redslash: Right on! Yeah, hugging the wall in the direction you intend to go, and things like that... just an intuitive thing to me which I never thought to point out [2015-10-12 13:58:22] Redslash: I checked the Nu in Cursed Woods: 16/60 chance =) [2015-10-12 13:58:47] Cronokirby: In case you mess up desert Kappa [2015-10-12 13:59:43 | Edited 14:00:32] Redslash: And there's like a 3/60 chance that snake trolls you by being to the left of the rock [2015-10-12 14:02:27] Redslash: 29% chance of no Nu in the run... [2015-10-12 14:03:55] Cronokirby: why would we want nu? [2015-10-12 14:04:40] Ottavino: run is blessed with a nu [2015-10-12 14:04:51] Puwexil: nu = officially the run [2015-10-12 14:04:56] Cronokirby: Run is blessed enough by rick astley [2015-10-12 14:05:22] Cronokirby: I also can't believe I last a 15:30 yakra run today :( [2015-10-12 14:06:16] Ottavino: for no lss, if marle hasn't learnt haste, the nu gives 30 tp [2015-10-12 14:06:28] Cronokirby: yeah, it's a backup [2015-10-12 14:06:37] Cronokirby: but you shouldn't get to that point ever [2015-10-12 14:08:10] Ottavino: i saw at least ten runs using the nu backup Kappa [2015-10-12 14:08:23] Cronokirby: you saw 10 bad runs [2015-10-12 14:08:25] Cronokirby: Kappa [2015-10-12 14:08:47] Cronokirby: My pb is the first run where I didn't die to lavos, so who am I to brag :P [2015-10-12 15:44:58 | Edited 15:45:27] ElGranJerry: Nu gives the tp but not the xp needed if you missed the core :( [2015-10-12 15:45:10] ElGranJerry: That was a rough lesson [2015-10-12 17:43:02] Redslash: My Midtonic-instead-of-Revive strat for BT is bad. Since BT absorbs more HP, you basically need to do an extra Slash... and a Revive is only 50 frames slower than a Midtonic =P [2015-10-12 20:49:14] Redslash: On 0x90 (normal BT), the way to avoid damage on Ayla is just to input Crono's 2nd move after Azala's move. His first move still needs to be fast [2015-10-12 23:37:14] Cronokirby: could you make a video? [2015-10-12 23:37:17] Cronokirby: :P [2015-10-12 23:40:32 | Edited 23:41:33] Redslash: I actually suspect I did it in my 2:58, lol... then forgot it was a thing [2015-10-12 23:40:41] Cronokirby: don't we already do lightning; flame kick ; lightning? [2015-10-12 23:40:56] Cronokirby: oh [2015-10-12 23:40:58] Cronokirby: I see [2015-10-12 23:41:46] Cronokirby: so; new strat: lightning; flame kick; lightning; attacks; lightning; slash; flame kick [2015-10-12 23:42:12] Cronokirby: and then slash instead of midtonic right? [2015-10-12 23:48:25] Redslash: I'll upload SMV tomorrow when I have internet. I try to do a Flamekick before Ayla/Lucca gets chomped, and if I succeed I have Crono use 3rd Revive [2015-10-12 23:49:25] Redslash: But yeah, back to the Revive, Slash, Revive, Slash method [2015-10-12 23:51:35] Cronokirby: you did do the strat in your pb [2015-10-12 23:51:40] Cronokirby: * your 2:58 [2015-10-13 0:00:07] Redslash: Alright, good to have it straightened out again. Idk why I didn't just rewatch that run, lmao [2015-10-13 0:04:34] Redslash: I have another surprise though, possibly... (a shell fight thing) [2015-10-13 0:04:50] Cronokirby: my savestate for bt is the worse [2015-10-13 0:05:29] Cronokirby: at rng 90, ayla gets her turn first [2015-10-13 0:06:18] Redslash: Oh... very first, before Crono's 1st turn? [2015-10-13 0:06:27] Cronokirby: at the same time [2015-10-13 0:06:39] Cronokirby: an her command window pops up first [2015-10-13 0:06:59] Cronokirby: I got 90 during practice by doing shelterless magus [2015-10-13 0:07:03] Cronokirby: then not messing up [2015-10-13 0:09:40] Redslash: Powerscarf on Ayla, Speedbelt on Lucca? [2015-10-13 0:09:50] Cronokirby: hmm [2015-10-13 0:10:07] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-13 0:10:30] Cronokirby: do you have a state for bt btw? [2015-10-13 0:11:51] Redslash: I can't upload anything off my laptop atm, but TTAS uses 0x90.. [2015-10-13 0:12:04] Cronokirby: It might be my equip [2015-10-13 0:12:28] Cronokirby: one other problem [2015-10-13 0:12:36] Cronokirby: in your 2:58 [2015-10-13 0:14:02] Cronokirby: you do slash; flame kick; and get psycho on luccah [2015-10-13 0:14:19] Cronokirby: when I do the same thing; I get psycho ayla; fire ayla [2015-10-13 0:17:48] Redslash: Crazy. I'd have to look at your state, maybe =) [2015-10-13 0:22:38] Redslash: Idk if that could also be equipment, or.. you sure you're not actually on 0x5A (decimal 90)? [2015-10-13 0:22:59] Cronokirby: no, my ramwatch is in hex [2015-10-13 0:23:03] Cronokirby: so 9 0 [2015-10-13 0:23:27] Redslash: Alright. Cuz it happens, lol [2015-10-13 0:23:37] Cronokirby: may be equipment [2015-10-13 0:23:42] Cronokirby: my equipment was wrong [2015-10-13 1:11:37] Cronokirby: https://goo.gl/dZrgl6 [2015-10-13 1:11:44] Cronokirby: Wrote up the new strat [2015-10-13 1:11:54] Cronokirby: and btw, you just barely kill [2015-10-13 1:12:30] Gand988: you need to set the link public crono. [2015-10-13 1:13:15] Cronokirby: so if you miss the last spincut, during the first round of defence down, you have to do a another one after the last kick [2015-10-13 1:13:16] Cronokirby: https://goo.gl/GWBHp6 [2015-10-13 1:13:20] Cronokirby: woops :P [2015-10-13 10:47:19] Redslash: Never seen this before. I guess I pressed something, and a 20k frame movie I was working on "broke"... when I try to continue recording it, the game doesn't respond to my keyboard (it responds again after I close the movie), and it even plays back as if there are 0 inputs (but my Lua script shows they're there) [2015-10-13 10:50:58] Redslash: Didn't lose much work, but I'm quite glad this never happened to a bigger project, lol [2015-10-13 10:51:39] Redslash: Maybe I'll see if I can fix it, gotta be the header... [2015-10-13 15:27:14] Redslash: Ohh man, surprise confirmed http://goo.gl/TpUzJI Check that first move [2015-10-13 15:31:15] ElGranJerry: Is there an alternative to 1.51rr to watch this? [2015-10-13 15:31:39] ElGranJerry: It doesnt work on my laptop since i upped to w10 [2015-10-13 15:34:43] Redslash: Ah sorry dude, I'll go ahead and record it after dinner [2015-10-13 15:35:56] ElGranJerry: Nah dont worry. I will watch it on my desktop later [2015-10-13 15:36:15] ElGranJerry: It just sucks when i am not at home [2015-10-13 20:56:23] Redslash: Processing... (or you can download) https://goo.gl/r6pq8K [2015-10-13 20:57:13 | Edited 20:57:24] Redslash: By the way, I had Crono crit at the end, but a 2nd Spincut is fine [2015-10-13 21:05:07] Redslash: This is just the Magus fight, but the SMV demonstrates the final shell fight is the same (it's a miracle) [2015-10-14 1:44:28] Gand988: btw i was watching some CT image and i saw that in the SNES game cover Marle use a fire magic on crono's sword :| [2015-10-14 1:44:47] Gand988: http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/object/142/14263600/ChronoTriggerDSBox.jpg [2015-10-14 1:50:34] Cronokirby: fire sword on keckran [2015-10-14 1:50:39] Cronokirby: in antiquity [2015-10-14 1:50:42] Cronokirby: with frog [2015-10-14 1:58:38] Cronokirby: https://goo.gl/GWBHp6 [2015-10-14 1:58:47] Cronokirby: modified the notes [2015-10-14 1:59:02] Cronokirby: so this new magus strat will keep you on the right rng for shell then? [2015-10-14 2:32:33] Ottavino: @gand988 it's not a mistake, it's their triple tech, there is a few frames where it looks like fire [2015-10-14 2:34:00] Gand988: yeah i was looking it. Is the Arc Impulse. Crono + Marle + Frog. [2015-10-14 2:36:53] Ottavino: Just quickly tested elixir glitches with the new rng, it seems you need frog p2 for cell and swap to p3 for core [2015-10-14 2:50:38] Cronokirby: so menu glitch is necessary? [2015-10-14 2:50:53] Cronokirby: also, do you the rest of the shell normally after the new magus? [2015-10-14 5:42:34] ElGranJerry: Nice red, how much faster is this than the other one? [2015-10-14 8:14:00] Redslash: Well, I think it's ~15 seconds. It saved 18 seconds over TTAS in the Magus fight, but for BT and Gigagaia the ATB seems less cooperative [2015-10-14 8:14:49] Cronokirby: is it true that menu glitch will become mandatory if you don't want to save and reset? [2015-10-14 8:16:43] Cronokirby: and so this magus puts you in window 7? [2015-10-14 8:17:07] Redslash: I didn't actually try elixir glitch, so I'm glad there's a way X) [2015-10-14 8:17:46] Redslash: Magus should end at AA, which is the very last value in 6- [2015-10-14 8:17:55] ElGranJerry: which menu glitch? [2015-10-14 8:17:56] Cronokirby: is that ok for bt? [2015-10-14 8:18:06] Cronokirby: Just quickly tested elixir glitches with the new rng, it seems you need frog p2 for cell and swap to p3 for core [2015-10-14 8:18:14] Cronokirby: so you need to menu glitch after cell [2015-10-14 8:22:51] Redslash: Yeah BT chomps Marle, though she has 5hp and lives for a couple turns [2015-10-14 8:26:18] ElGranJerry: :( I dislike that menu glitch [2015-10-14 8:26:53] Cronokirby: you can reload before him [2015-10-14 8:27:02] Cronokirby: there's an audio cue [2015-10-14 8:27:11] Cronokirby: that I like to use [2015-10-14 8:27:41] Cronokirby: and we could also find a way to forgo that [2015-10-14 8:27:50] Cronokirby: and not have to switch frog's position [2015-10-14 8:28:06] Redslash: Maybe [2015-10-14 8:28:35] ElGranJerry: go big or go home, no reloads. Gotta practice that menu glitch then [2015-10-14 8:28:44] ElGranJerry: kinda kills the save 15s on magus if you reload [2015-10-14 8:28:51] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-14 8:29:08] Cronokirby: the melody of the song repeats itself initially [2015-10-14 8:29:17] Cronokirby: at the end of the second repeat, menu [2015-10-14 8:29:25] Cronokirby: that's what I do :P [2015-10-14 8:29:59] ElGranJerry: also, are all these changes being documented (updating the route) or not yet [2015-10-14 8:30:04] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-14 8:30:05] ElGranJerry: that sounds like a good cue [2015-10-14 8:30:18] Cronokirby: [Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:58] Cronokirby: [2015-10-14 8:30:18] Cronokirby: <<< https://goo.gl/GWBHp6 [2015-10-14 8:30:27] Cronokirby: I made a modified copy of the boss notes [2015-10-14 8:30:51] ElGranJerry: cool, thanks [2015-10-14 8:31:26] ElGranJerry: I added the new start to the any% route but idk if anything else has been changed [2015-10-14 8:31:42] Cronokirby: captain fasout [2015-10-14 8:31:49] Cronokirby: Kappa [2015-10-14 8:32:17] ElGranJerry: ? [2015-10-14 8:32:43 | Edited 8:33:10] Cronokirby: you fade out the captain when you first encounter him on zenan bridge [2015-10-14 8:33:06] ElGranJerry: that saves like 3s right? [2015-10-14 8:33:12] ElGranJerry: if done correctly [2015-10-14 8:33:14] Cronokirby: it was a joke [2015-10-14 8:33:16] Cronokirby: :P [2015-10-14 8:33:18] ElGranJerry: oh [2015-10-14 8:33:27] Cronokirby: nothing major [2015-10-14 8:33:27] ElGranJerry: :( [2015-10-14 8:33:29] ElGranJerry: kk [2015-10-14 8:33:31] ElGranJerry: lol [2015-10-14 8:33:42] Redslash: Uh yeah Jerry it does, with a 1-fade [2015-10-14 8:33:53] Cronokirby: 1 fade is so hard [2015-10-14 8:34:19] Redslash: Try to move up a bit while doing it, so you can talk to him from further away [2015-10-14 8:35:19] Redslash: (Also move up a bit even if you don't fadeout~) [2015-10-14 8:35:33] ElGranJerry: did your pb do it? [2015-10-14 8:35:47] ElGranJerry: move up a bit, noted [2015-10-14 8:36:04] Redslash: Nope, just thought of it a day after [2015-10-14 8:36:26] Cronokirby: for the menu glitch [2015-10-14 8:36:26] Redslash: That maybe the old thing we used to do was actually good [2015-10-14 8:36:35] Cronokirby: on the 11th note, press menu [2015-10-14 8:37:28] Cronokirby: window is a bit before the 11th, and a bit after the 12th note [2015-10-14 8:42:56] ElGranJerry: will try it [2015-10-14 8:45:05] ElGranJerry: so my Chrono Trigger cart got through customs but apparently I have to pay $40 for my controller to be able to make it into Mexico? [2015-10-14 8:45:15] ElGranJerry: I paid like 5 for the controller lol [2015-10-14 8:45:44] ElGranJerry: laws make no sense at all [2015-10-14 8:53:50] eLmaGus: 4th basedrum beat [2015-10-14 8:53:56] eLmaGus: is where you hit X for the menu glitch [2015-10-14 8:53:57] eLmaGus: ezpz [2015-10-14 8:54:06] eLmaGus: (thats console emulator has to press a couple frames earlier lel) [2015-10-14 8:54:35] Puwexil: I've never had much trouble menu glitching when the screen completely fades to black on my TV [2015-10-14 8:54:57] eLmaGus: CRT cheats [2015-10-14 8:55:04] Cronokirby: I can't hear the basedrum [2015-10-14 8:55:15] Cronokirby: every runner has their own cue :P [2015-10-14 8:55:26] Puwexil: wouldn't be CT otherwise [2015-10-14 8:58:03] eLmaGus: you cant hear the basedrum? [2015-10-14 8:58:05] eLmaGus: what the [2015-10-14 8:58:49] Cronokirby: oh wait [2015-10-14 8:58:51] Cronokirby: I can hear it [2015-10-14 8:59:02] Cronokirby: was focusing on the melody [2015-10-14 8:59:11] Cronokirby: so I didn't pay attention to the other stuff [2015-10-14 12:34:50] Cronokirby: OK [2015-10-14 12:35:08] Cronokirby: So, I tested the shell fights, and updated my notes [2015-10-14 12:35:27] Cronokirby: I end up on rng 73 [2015-10-14 12:51:54] Cronokirby: no need for menu glitch then [2015-10-14 12:52:33] Cronokirby: frog in slot 3 bs 4 [2015-10-14 12:52:40] Cronokirby: first fight is simple [2015-10-14 12:53:20] Cronokirby: second fight: hold x, so crono attacks, and frog misses. then wait till you can elixir glitch [2015-10-14 13:55:11] Redslash: Frog P3 for both fights. Wait for right bit to kill Crono, Frog atk right bit =) [2015-10-14 13:55:28] Cronokirby: bs4? [2015-10-14 13:55:51] Redslash: Yeah [2015-10-14 13:56:44] Redslash: 73->B0->E5 [2015-10-14 13:57:18] Cronokirby: next is no rng reloads for the whole gam [2015-10-14 13:57:40] Cronokirby: we already do that don't we [2015-10-14 13:57:54] Cronokirby: besides retinite [2015-10-14 13:58:58] Redslash: Yep, pretty much [2015-10-14 13:59:12] Cronokirby: Your turn order is a bit different for shell [2015-10-14 13:59:25] Cronokirby: crono gets his turn a lot faster then ayla on bs2 [2015-10-14 13:59:47] Redslash: Yeah, ATB is indeed a bit different for BT and Gigagaia [2015-10-14 13:59:53] Cronokirby: he did all the falcon hits [2015-10-14 13:59:58] Cronokirby: for shell [2015-10-14 14:00:28] Redslash: For final shell, hmm... [2015-10-14 14:00:51] Cronokirby: at least, when I practiced it, that's what ended up happening [2015-10-14 14:01:14] Cronokirby: had him revive marle both times too [2015-10-14 14:09:36] Redslash: Weird, idk. I'm not experiencing that [2015-10-14 14:09:53] Cronokirby: on bs2? [2015-10-14 14:10:31] Redslash: Oh lol BS2 for final shell? I gotcha. Yeah ATB does different stuff for each BS [2015-10-14 14:10:43] Cronokirby: what's wrong with bs2? [2015-10-14 14:10:49] Cronokirby: saves time doesn't it? [2015-10-14 14:12:29] Redslash: Nothing wrong, lol at myself for not realizing [2015-10-14 14:12:50] Redslash: Idk, just gotta adapt differently is all [2015-10-14 14:13:06] Cronokirby: wait so it's not faster on bs2? [2015-10-14 14:13:38] Redslash: Uhh, it probably is faster and more dangerous [2015-10-14 14:13:51] Cronokirby: it's not more dangerous if you're good :P [2015-10-14 14:14:35] Cronokirby: just practice the strat a lot [2015-10-14 14:15:08] Redslash: Can't argue with that [2015-10-14 14:28:59] Redslash: Alright, I got convinced [2015-10-14 14:29:08] Cronokirby: ? [2015-10-14 14:30:08] Redslash: BS2 boys [2015-10-14 14:30:14] Cronokirby: // [2015-10-14 14:30:20] Cronokirby: *highfive [2015-10-14 14:49:14] Redslash: the Haste+Falcon after healing Marle is pretty tight [2015-10-14 14:49:29] Redslash: BS2 saves 5 seconds [2015-10-14 14:49:39] Redslash: It'd still be sick to pull off [2015-10-14 15:24:45] Redslash: May as well save another few seconds keeping BS2 for core, why not [2015-10-14 19:56:47] Redslash: http://pastebin.com/Wssw0WSf All Greens thing (I was bored) [2015-10-14 20:29:28] Redslash: But seriously, had a good sesh today grinding Arris bug room on emu (figured out why 1st one was catching me), and also All Greens [2015-10-14 22:41:30] Redslash: Oh, for top Desert fight, why don't we Drillkick the guy before he Sandcyclones Marle? Crono can input it so it's safer than Catatk. [2015-10-14 22:42:25] Redslash: Then Catatk+Spincut target the same guy, end on 3b (for Ayla crit next fight) [2015-10-14 22:46:19 | Edited 22:46:31] Redslash: Wow Drillkick so slow this fight only saves 2 seconds max, but don't need to Midtonic Marle then [2015-10-14 22:58:28] Cronokirby: yeah that's good [2015-10-15 1:40:46] Cronokirby: in the notes now [2015-10-15 1:46:44] Cronokirby: on 3b, the second and 3rd attack you do will miss [2015-10-15 1:46:48] Cronokirby: which is a problem [2015-10-15 1:47:04] Cronokirby: for the last fight in the desert [2015-10-15 8:42:45] Redslash: Mm, the Ayla crit is in place of one of the normal Catatks [2015-10-15 8:43:05] Cronokirby: then the next attacks miss [2015-10-15 8:43:43] Redslash: Disagree =) 1 sec tho [2015-10-15 8:44:15] Cronokirby: I did crit instead of the first attack, and did the standard strat from there on [2015-10-15 8:44:28] Cronokirby: what do you do? [2015-10-15 8:45:56] Redslash: Standard strat with where Ayla takes a hit? [2015-10-15 8:46:05] Cronokirby: ah [2015-10-15 8:46:29] Cronokirby: I was doing the faster one where she doesn't get hit [2015-10-15 8:46:38] Cronokirby: so let marle miss [2015-10-15 8:46:50] Cronokirby: spincut, get hit, cat [2015-10-15 8:46:50] Redslash: And the Spincut misses? [2015-10-15 8:47:04] Redslash: Or did Catatk miss [2015-10-15 8:47:13] Redslash: (Or both) [2015-10-15 8:47:16] Cronokirby: I'm about to test that [2015-10-15 8:47:26] Cronokirby: if you do the strat where you don't get hit, they do miss [2015-10-15 8:53:54] Cronokirby: it works [2015-10-15 8:53:59] Cronokirby: you end up on 73 [2015-10-15 8:54:06] Cronokirby: modifying notes [2015-10-15 8:54:35] Redslash: Ok. Yeah the order/targetting for both strats is pretty specific [2015-10-15 8:56:22] Redslash: imo I think it's better to start with Catatk and do the crit after [2015-10-15 8:56:30] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-15 8:56:34] Cronokirby: easier to input [2015-10-15 8:57:39] Redslash: You can actually target top (default) guy with crit, and Spincut the one who will attack Ayla [2015-10-15 8:57:45] Redslash: On the fast strat [2015-10-15 8:58:58] Cronokirby: when I have marle miss the top guy, then crono spincut the bottom, I miss [2015-10-15 8:59:35] Redslash: Yeah Spincut must be top as well, for that strat [2015-10-15 11:15:35] Redslash: Yo the CT is strong today. Think I'll stream prac sesh in a couple hours [2015-10-15 11:15:57] Cronokirby: Not for me .P [2015-10-15 11:16:15] Cronokirby: needed to practice zombor skip [2015-10-15 11:16:19] Cronokirby: and lots of other stuff [2015-10-15 11:16:32] Cronokirby: that bird on dondoro is dumb [2015-10-15 12:58:38] Redslash: I began frame-testing cutscene dialogue... at the start of 1st Frog cutscene, you have 7 frames to close the 1st box, 5 to close the next, 4 for the next... If you hit you lose 0 frames, if you miss you lose 8 frames [2015-10-15 12:59:06] Cronokirby: so? [2015-10-15 12:59:17] Redslash: But for the next box ("Soldier: Sir Cyrus!!"), if you miss the window, you lose 20 frames! [2015-10-15 12:59:27] Redslash: Stuff like this [2015-10-15 12:59:53] Cronokirby: you can close cutscene dialogue early? [2015-10-15 13:02:58] Redslash: What I mean is, if you close "Sir Cyrus!!" right on the 2nd "!" or 2 frames after, the next text appears 280 later. But if you close "Sir Cyrus!!" 3 frames after the "!" writes, the next text appears 300 frames later. [2015-10-15 13:03:13] Cronokirby: so just mash [2015-10-15 13:03:15] Cronokirby: well [2015-10-15 13:07:02] Redslash: Right. Never expected that magnitude of penalty/reward was involved tho, between mash rates [2015-10-15 13:07:13] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-15 13:07:21] Cronokirby: textboxes are very weird in this game [2015-10-15 19:42:16] Redslash: That was a pretty epic realization, finding out 2 hours into stream that mic was off... X) [2015-10-15 19:43:01] DrunkenDraconian: I've done a whole 6h stream with a voice changer on unknowingly. [2015-10-15 19:46:26] Redslash: Whoa, nice [2015-10-15 19:46:53] Redslash: Yeah idk... learned a valuable lesson [2015-10-15 19:50:23] Redslash: I was used to the days when people constantly asked if you had a mic [2015-10-15 19:51:10] Redslash: So, can't rely on that now X) [2015-10-15 20:43:40] Redslash: Thing I came up with tonight: while escaping from the 3 Hexapods (no menu), have Crono move from Spincut to Drillkick. Then Crono Drillkick (quickly) the right Mohavor, in the fight above [2015-10-15 20:46:42] Redslash: (then Catatk+Spincut on default target, upper Mohavor, to get 3B) [2015-10-15 21:01:40] Redslash: You can set Hypnowave in Heckran Cave, if Marle gets a crit =0 Tech cursor gets sent to the top only if you were on a double-tech originally, I mistook that before [2015-10-16 19:46:15] Redslash: Game heard me say I would stop playing if I finished that run =( [2015-10-16 19:46:36] Redslash: (To play J...) [2015-10-16 19:50:23] Redslash: Kind of glad(? ) it died though... because 2 slow spells from Nagaettes... [2015-10-17 3:11:04] Gand988: Yesterday wasn't a good day for runs XD [2015-10-17 3:11:59] Gand988: i finished my first any% in 4h30m. [2015-10-17 3:12:10] Gand988: shell and elixir glitch are shit >_> [2015-10-17 4:24:06] Cronokirby: gg anyways [2015-10-17 4:24:15] Cronokirby: better than my first run XD [2015-10-17 4:47:26] Gand988: lul i remember it [2015-10-17 4:47:47] Gand988: :D was like 6hrs [2015-10-17 7:25:06] Cronokirby: 6:02:30 [2015-10-17 7:25:11] Cronokirby: worst first run [2015-10-17 7:25:42] Cronokirby: 3:24 retinite [2015-10-17 7:26:04] Gand988: yeah but you was afk for like 20 min + no haste on marle [2015-10-17 7:26:09] Gand988: (i think ) :D [2015-10-17 7:26:15] Cronokirby: i wasn't afk ever [2015-10-17 7:26:21] Cronokirby: I was super tired [2015-10-17 7:26:28] Cronokirby: I ended up finishing at 3 am [2015-10-17 15:20:34] Redslash: So yeah, don't fadeout the Captain when you first talk to him.... [2015-10-17 15:22:22] Redslash: Even if he turns toward you, it can possibly not trigger the chef dialogue [2015-10-17 15:25:50] Redslash: I was sooo hype about getting that 1-fade, too... X) [2015-10-17 15:45:09] eLmaGus: dang [2015-10-17 15:45:20] eLmaGus: yeah iw ouldnt have done that fadeout anyways in runs it barely saves time [2015-10-17 15:51:07] Redslash: Well, 2-fade saves like 3 frames. That's why we stopped doing it, because no real point. 1-fade was on the order of a few seconds though... too bad [2015-10-18 16:06:09 | Edited 16:07:07] Redslash: In Arris bug room, it seems that the way you move the rats into view influences their position... I've had "midcycle rat" attempts where 2nd rat is still far away [2015-10-18 16:07:21] Redslash: I believe you could reach the door without having to go up over him [2015-10-18 16:39:07 | Edited 16:40:20] Redslash: Ha ha... if you go back downstairs after getting Bikekey, re-entering the Proto2 room will start the Crono music again [2015-10-19 11:41:09] Gand988: Red, this are the DT (missile skip) and 3buggers pattern [2015-10-19 11:41:13] Gand988: http://www.twitch.tv/gand988/v/21165127 [2015-10-19 11:41:14] Gand988: http://www.twitch.tv/gand988/v/21165451 [2015-10-19 13:08:49] eLmaGus: im running CT for the California Fire Relief Marathon on Sunday, 8:50 AM EST. anybody who wants to commentate is more than welcome : > ) [2015-10-19 13:10:06] Cronokirby: I'd be available then [2015-10-19 15:24:21] DrunkenDraconian: That shit is crazy, great cause. [2015-10-20 23:37:10] Redslash: Oh...my...=) https://twitter.com/tasvideos/status/656735088319688704 [2015-10-21 0:37:30] Cronokirby: heh [2015-10-21 0:37:37] Cronokirby: my first version of ct :) [2015-10-21 7:27:38] eLmaGus: he better do all sidequests [2015-10-21 7:28:03] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-10-21 7:28:09] eLmaGus: oh baby [2015-10-21 7:28:24] Cronokirby: he does all of the lost sanctum [2015-10-21 7:28:37] Cronokirby: I don't think he does any of the classic ones though [2015-10-21 12:12:49] Redslash: Wow, can't believe cursor memory could be overridden like that [2015-10-21 12:13:08] Redslash: This whole time, man. Never realized [2015-10-21 12:17:36] eLmaGus: not sure where it is beneficial [2015-10-21 12:17:43] eLmaGus: generally you want to set the memory cursor [2015-10-21 12:18:10] eLmaGus: masamune using the midtonic [2015-10-21 12:18:19] eLmaGus: you can target then use the item [2015-10-21 12:18:23] eLmaGus: then you are on slash [2015-10-21 12:18:23] eLmaGus: ? [2015-10-21 12:18:42] Redslash: We could use that trick on final shell to use some items but keep cursor on Falconhit =) [2015-10-21 12:18:48] Puwexil: does pressing X/B set memory cursor without a confirm or something? [2015-10-21 12:19:05] eLmaGus: it seems to keep the memory cursor alive [2015-10-21 12:19:07] Redslash: Yep, apparently so [2015-10-21 12:19:09] eLmaGus: from before [2015-10-21 12:20:30] Redslash: Yeah basically X/B means the input on that turn will be ignored, not remembered [2015-10-21 12:20:43] Puwexil: interesting [2015-10-21 12:21:44] Puwexil: would need to be pretty fast to use that during final shell, since a lot of the items aren't queued during other animations IIRC [2015-10-21 12:22:29] Redslash: Yeah, just in a couple spots (Heal, and the Revive+Lapis) [2015-10-21 12:23:23] eLmaGus: you can do all crono inputs to keep falcon hit alive [2015-10-21 12:23:27] eLmaGus: ayla is beneficial on Item [2015-10-21 12:25:10] Redslash: Yeah that's true [2015-10-21 12:25:21] Puwexil: does X/B affect the tech/item submenus at all or just the att/tech/item menu? [2015-10-21 12:26:13] Puwexil: could see some cases where not changing the tech that the cursor is on would be useful [2015-10-21 12:26:34] eLmaGus: lets say you are on falcon hit [2015-10-21 12:26:40] eLmaGus: but you want to spincut and keep falcon hit [2015-10-21 12:26:44] eLmaGus: X/B will do that [2015-10-21 12:26:47] Redslash: Oh dang [2015-10-21 12:26:59] eLmaGus: the only tricky thing is [2015-10-21 12:27:01] eLmaGus: if you X/B [2015-10-21 12:27:04] eLmaGus: you go to attack [2015-10-21 12:27:17] eLmaGus: so you either gotta press down for Tech or up for Item [2015-10-21 12:27:31] eLmaGus: i cant believe nobody ever found this [2015-10-21 12:27:40] eLmaGus: you would figure this wouldve happened at some point [2015-10-21 12:27:50] DrunkenDraconian: THAT'S SWEET! Makes active ATB more intersting [2015-10-21 12:29:35] Redslash: Item menu cursor would still change, (cuz scrolling in there without picking anything changes it) [2015-10-21 12:30:06] Puwexil: 3 extra inputs + a bit of lost ATB is a thing though - I'd only see that as worthwhile if you're skipping scrolling fairly far through the tech/combo list [2015-10-21 12:31:29] eLmaGus: do it on the slash midtonic [2015-10-21 12:31:30] Redslash: Yeah, I would only use this during animations [2015-10-21 12:31:45] eLmaGus: (rofl) [2015-10-21 12:31:48] Redslash: Lol [2015-10-21 12:32:06] eLmaGus: yeah there will be a few select places where it wil lsave some inputs [2015-10-21 12:32:13] eLmaGus: but still its better than nothing [2015-10-21 12:32:20] Puwexil: on slash? I just have crono queue slash during frog's last crit [2015-10-21 12:34:50] eLmaGus: that was a joke lol [2015-10-21 12:44:00] Redslash: Actually can't think of any good uses until like BT [2015-10-21 12:44:37] Redslash: Most of our scripts were also made with the assumption you couldn't do this [2015-10-21 12:45:05] Redslash: So this could open up possibilities for new fights [2015-10-21 12:46:51] eLmaGus: hmm [2015-10-21 12:48:05] Redslash: Imagine having Ayla Midtonic herself after Azala Break, and then since she's always waiting on Lucca you could prob do this with all Flamekicks X) [2015-10-21 12:48:52] eLmaGus: that seems hard to pull off but sounds interesting [2015-10-21 12:50:43] Redslash: Oh yeah I guess it would be, gotta move from Item to Tech each time too [2015-10-21 12:52:24] eLmaGus: there is not really a lot of spots where you save enough time to change the outcome of a fight though i think [2015-10-21 13:01:10] Redslash: Here's another one: the Lightning on Shell Nizbel form [2015-10-21 13:01:36] Puwexil: that one sounds legit, since crono's menu is up during teh quake [2015-10-21 13:02:17] Redslash: And I can use it on new Shell Magus, and then final Shell, and that's it [2015-10-21 13:04:59] Redslash: Might be able to keep Frog on Item even though I have him X-strike. Might need to change things around [2015-10-21 13:12:17] Redslash: Next thing we need is to find the secret "Defend" action [2015-10-21 13:12:38] Puwexil: or a way to set memory cursor without confirming [2015-10-21 13:12:59] Redslash: Ah yeah [2015-10-21 13:13:29] Redslash: "Remember previous target" would be a nice one too [2015-10-21 13:22:05] Cronokirby: midframe reset [2015-10-21 13:22:07] Cronokirby: :P [2015-10-21 13:33:29] Redslash: Wait.... well, it does not override in the Tech menu X) [2015-10-21 13:34:11] Redslash: rip [2015-10-21 13:35:47] ElGranJerry: So i just loaded the save files i made yesterday at zombor and in both I am in TC bridge with random items and equips... i hate emulator sometimes [2015-10-21 13:36:02] Cronokirby: midframe reset! [2015-10-21 13:36:04] Cronokirby: omg [2015-10-21 13:36:10] Cronokirby: jk don't use snes9x [2015-10-21 13:36:46] ElGranJerry: It's the only one that works for me [2015-10-21 13:37:02] Cronokirby: I know :( [2015-10-21 13:37:24] ElGranJerry: This is recent btw, so idk what is happening :/ [2015-10-21 13:37:32] ElGranJerry: 3 times already [2015-10-21 13:40:44] Redslash: Wow. Redownload and start fresh? (likely you have already) [2015-10-21 13:41:11] Redslash: Which version btw, 1.53? [2015-10-21 13:49:38] Redslash: Btw I love reddit [2015-10-21 13:49:56] Cronokirby: ? [2015-10-21 13:50:39] Cronokirby: Whoa! Didn't expect someone to dethrone Puwexil. Andyperfect is running this one too, I expect to see him in contention soon as well. [2015-10-21 13:50:41] Cronokirby: Kappa [2015-10-21 13:50:44] Cronokirby: Kappa [2015-10-21 13:50:50] Cronokirby: third one for good measure [2015-10-21 13:50:52] Cronokirby: Kappa [2015-10-21 13:51:40] Redslash: Need another pb to re-roll comments, lol [2015-10-21 13:54:08] Redslash: When I think about it, sounds like a copypasta, but I don't recognize it [2015-10-21 13:54:27] Cronokirby: nah [2015-10-21 13:54:34] Cronokirby: I made a meme [2015-10-21 13:54:40] Cronokirby: his post was legit [2015-10-21 13:55:38] eLmaGus: what is happening [2015-10-21 13:57:26] Puwexil: sounds like someone on reddit thought I had the any% record or something [2015-10-21 13:57:39] Puwexil: I dunno - I never go there if I can help it [2015-10-21 13:58:00] eLmaGus: oh reddit [2015-10-21 13:58:00] Redslash: Yeah I might be done now too X) [2015-10-21 13:58:15] Cronokirby: the funny part is that they think andy runs [2015-10-21 13:59:56] Cronokirby: he got up to future [2015-10-21 14:01:30 | Edited 14:01:46] Redslash: Yeah I remembered him doing CT /glitchless/ a while back... [2015-10-21 14:01:46] Cronokirby: he actually did it? [2015-10-21 14:02:07] Cronokirby: I remember him not fancying rng manip too much [2015-10-21 14:02:27] Puwexil: I saw him trying to learn any% for a while [2015-10-21 14:02:54] Puwexil: and he did what most new people interested in the game (that I've seen at least) have done - get hung up on the early game RNG manip and quit [2015-10-21 14:03:34] Redslash: mhmm... [2015-10-21 14:03:50] Cronokirby: I rememver him throwing the glitchless idea around [2015-10-21 14:04:01] Cronokirby: don't see a highlight, or arun on his page though [2015-10-21 14:45:31] ElGranJerry: Andy got mad at me when I tried to expalin rng manip, said he was going to do glitchless no rng manip [2015-10-21 14:45:39] ElGranJerry: idk what happened after [2015-10-21 19:01:47] eLmaGus: uhm [2015-10-21 19:01:55] eLmaGus: uhhhhhhhhhhhhm [2015-10-21 19:01:58] eLmaGus: so for EoT SA [2015-10-21 19:02:10] eLmaGus: you can just wait for the gate textbox to give you the option yes and no [2015-10-21 19:02:15] eLmaGus: then double tap a [2015-10-21 19:02:17] eLmaGus: and it will work? [2015-10-21 19:02:19] eLmaGus: ????????????? [2015-10-21 19:02:26] eLmaGus: because that does work for me unless iget lucky ?!?!?!? [2015-10-21 19:02:34] eLmaGus: like 100% of the time [2015-10-21 19:08:32] Redslash: Ummm [2015-10-21 19:11:56] Redslash: Dang, not experiencing that [2015-10-21 19:12:22] eLmaGus: i will keep trying [2015-10-21 19:12:24] eLmaGus: but im not failing lol [2015-10-21 19:12:34] eLmaGus: i will switch to console real fast [2015-10-21 19:17:03] Redslash: I'm failing more often than not... Maybe you goofed the setup and found something magical [2015-10-21 19:17:18] eLmaGus: im about to find out [2015-10-21 19:17:53] Obdajr: hey long shot, does anyone wanna play through triforce heroes this weekend? [2015-10-21 19:18:14] eLmaGus: lel i got it first try again [2015-10-21 19:18:37] eLmaGus: what the hell [2015-10-21 19:18:44] Redslash: Yeah but it's 75% [2015-10-21 19:19:34] Redslash: Well, tapping after the Yes/No writes out is making it worse, on my end... [2015-10-21 19:20:10] eLmaGus: hmm [2015-10-21 19:20:13] eLmaGus: weird [2015-10-21 19:20:25] Redslash: Oh, are you actually able to swap characters? [2015-10-21 19:21:00] Redslash: Cuz I'm getting the thing where they stay in place for HP/MP message, but then cannot swap [2015-10-21 19:21:01] eLmaGus: of course [2015-10-21 19:21:12] eLmaGus: 100% [2015-10-21 19:21:17] eLmaGus: i dont get this [2015-10-21 19:21:24] eLmaGus: this is not suppsoed to work [2015-10-21 19:21:54] Redslash: I think I was tapping too fast =0 [2015-10-21 19:22:44] eLmaGus: i failed it [2015-10-21 19:22:44] eLmaGus: finally [2015-10-21 19:22:46] Redslash: Wait nope, wrong thing [2015-10-21 19:23:25] eLmaGus: this has an incredible success rate for me though [2015-10-21 19:23:25] eLmaGus: idk [2015-10-21 19:33:51] eLmaGus: alright im failing some of them [2015-10-21 19:33:52] eLmaGus: its all good [2015-10-21 19:34:00] eLmaGus: i was just shocked i got it that way like 15 times in a row [2015-10-21 19:34:04] Redslash: Whew (Kappa) [2015-10-21 19:34:37] eLmaGus: it was just dumb luck [2015-10-21 19:34:38] eLmaGus: apparantly [2015-10-21 19:35:52] Redslash: Now I'm looking for a new cue [2015-10-21 19:36:35] eLmaGus: after i failed 2 times i got back to the ABA mash [2015-10-21 19:36:44] eLmaGus: seems to work 75% of the time (go figure) [2015-10-21 20:00:39] Redslash: If you open and close menu before closing any texts, I believe you could make a metronome setup [2015-10-21 20:36:45] Redslash: Hm, you can take S/A to 1999 using normal LSS setup (65M+2300 pillar) [2015-10-21 20:39:16] Redslash: Just get to the savepoint instead of the far west corner. Then when the final zip starts, swap a 3rd time while on the save. Your sprite disappears for some reason... (pretty spooky) [2015-10-21 20:46:20] Redslash: If we could just find an easier way, it'd be a great safety in Any%... [2015-10-22 0:29:28] Cronokirby: well [2015-10-22 0:29:34] Cronokirby: 120 bpm works [2015-10-22 0:29:39] Cronokirby: for the double tap [2015-10-22 0:29:47] Cronokirby: 75% of course [2015-10-22 10:56:48] eLmaGus: best [2015-10-22 10:56:48] eLmaGus: run [2015-10-22 10:56:49] eLmaGus: ever [2015-10-22 10:57:01] Puwexil: correct [2015-10-22 10:57:22] Puwexil: no revives? no save point? no problem [2015-10-22 10:57:57] Gand988: but you did you get the S/A inside the shell? [2015-10-22 10:59:03] eLmaGus: i didnt have S/A [2015-10-22 10:59:12] eLmaGus: so i had one shot at elixir glitching [2015-10-22 10:59:16] eLmaGus: and i had no idea what value i was on [2015-10-22 10:59:20] eLmaGus: pretty good stuff [2015-10-22 10:59:37] Cronokirby: how did you not have the save point inside the shell? [2015-10-22 10:59:47] eLmaGus: i used my timemachine [2015-10-22 10:59:51] eLmaGus: : ))))))) [2015-10-22 11:00:01] Cronokirby: heh [2015-10-22 14:52:12] Redslash: LSS on J is giving me weird results now, interesting. Could be related to the issue with English [2015-10-22 16:55:22] ElGranJerry: What do you mean by weird? [2015-10-22 16:55:35] ElGranJerry: Not working or bad zips/etc [2015-10-22 18:22:25] Redslash: Well, I was getting up-zips, which isn't supposed to happen on that coordinate [2015-10-22 18:22:46] Redslash: So something mysterious [2015-10-22 18:48:54] Redslash: I believe it means party can regroup slower than normal, so the hold A is too fast.. [2015-10-22 18:52:44] ElGranJerry: Weirddd [2015-10-22 19:07:39] Redslash: my first JP run in a while went pretty well, finished +2 min [2015-10-22 19:10:45] Redslash: JP BT could use more work, but... at least you don't get wiped out by extra fire =P [2015-10-22 19:12:05] Redslash: So much less to worry about in endgame, kinda refreshing X) [2015-10-23 19:16:10] Redslash: Man, didn't expect the sub-2:30 so soon. I'd say the US grind definitely helped. [2015-10-23 19:16:38] Puwexil: how low are you planning to push it? [2015-10-23 19:18:43] Redslash: I'd like to cut a minute off both JP and US, but I'm actually pretty content for now. Might work on something else [2015-10-23 19:20:08] Redslash: Been thinking about a hundo theory TAS [2015-10-23 19:25:50] ElGranJerry: Different game or still CT? [2015-10-23 19:28:48 | Edited 19:29:08] Redslash: All Endings might be next for me actually, lol [2015-10-23 19:46:19] Redslash: I did get pretty invested in it, still am [2015-10-23 19:56:31] ElGranJerry: Nice [2015-10-23 19:56:46] ElGranJerry: Is there an all endings route written down atm? [2015-10-23 19:57:08] ElGranJerry: I've been thinking of running it for a 24 hour stream [2015-10-23 20:07:11] Redslash: Yep AE route's up there [2015-10-23 20:08:28] ElGranJerry: Updated? [2015-10-23 20:08:31] ElGranJerry: Cool [2015-10-23 20:31:17] Redslash: Lol I forgot about early Gato [2015-10-23 20:33:34] ElGranJerry: Gato Kreygasm [2015-10-23 21:57:06] Redslash: You can't quote a tweet after you've retweeted it, the heck [2015-10-23 21:58:18] ElGranJerry: Oh really [2015-10-23 21:58:27] ElGranJerry: You can cancel the RT though [2015-10-23 21:58:38] ElGranJerry: Then quote I think? [2015-10-23 22:21:57] Redslash: Yeah... [2015-10-24 8:42:06] eLmaGus: weekly in 1:20 ? [2015-10-24 8:43:05] Gand988: i'm in [2015-10-24 9:23:29] Redslash: oh man, I'll try [2015-10-24 9:24:42] Redslash: I celebrated a bit hard [2015-10-24 9:24:54] Cronokirby: :) [2015-10-24 9:26:17] eLmaGus: giving us a chance [2015-10-24 9:26:19] eLmaGus: nice [2015-10-24 9:28:26] DrunkenDraconian: I'm in. [2015-10-24 9:28:35] ElGranJerry: I'm in [2015-10-24 9:28:44] ElGranJerry: ...To watch you guys [2015-10-24 9:28:52] Cronokirby: awww [2015-10-24 9:29:30] Cronokirby: ehhh why not [2015-10-24 9:29:33] Cronokirby: I'll join [2015-10-24 9:38:23] eLmaGus: #srl-0vfub [2015-10-24 10:03:19] eLmaGus: race is still open for latecomers [2015-10-25 4:05:57] eLmaGus: are my commentators here? [2015-10-25 4:05:59] eLmaGus: 8) [2015-10-25 5:50:05] ElGranJerry: Sorry bro. Just got up. I blame daylight time change [2015-10-25 5:50:15] ElGranJerry: Didnt think it through :/ [2015-10-25 8:14:33] eLmaGus: 3:10 [2015-10-25 8:14:52] eLmaGus: pretty okay considering im up since like 20+ hours, i had to run lufia beforehand and COMMENTATE ALONE [2015-10-25 8:14:56] eLmaGus: cough cough [2015-10-25 8:15:18] eLmaGus: i actually had a 57 zombor after a 16:30 yakra i think [2015-10-27 1:41:49] Gand988: 3 days of hp run [2015-10-27 1:41:50] Gand988: http://www.speedrun.com/Potterthon/schedule [2015-10-27 11:03:49] Redslash: Nice... also, didn't know sr.c was capable of this [2015-10-27 11:05:39] Redslash: Oh wow, "Watch" = watch the stream [2015-10-27 11:06:29] Gand988: yeah is really cool [2015-10-28 6:35:11] Gand988: http://labzerogames.com/indiv-igg-contests/#speedruns [2015-10-28 20:24:45] Redslash: Uh-oh... it's hundo time [2015-10-28 20:32:32] Redslash: I really was gonna do AE next, and then I thought about it [2015-10-28 21:13:17] Redslash: Dang dude. Get Steelsaber before powertab room. Sneaking past that Diablos is a lot less scary [2015-10-28 21:19:09] Redslash: (Realized this from watching a Puwexil run) [2015-10-28 21:21:57] Puwexil: oh, you don't have to hug the side of the stairs? [2015-10-28 21:23:27] Puwexil: also, getting saber before tab is my normal route - did you mean the opposite? [2015-10-28 21:28:16] Redslash: I've always done powertab then saber, your way is much better =) [2015-10-28 21:28:25] Puwexil: oh, lol [2015-10-28 21:28:38] Redslash: Also these stairs? Just avoid red box http://imgur.com/DkwcSVi [2015-10-28 21:29:13] Puwexil: I usually aim for the right column since it pushes you left [2015-10-28 21:31:17] Redslash: Pretty much, yeah. Once you're well onto the slide, you can move leftward [2015-10-28 21:37:38] eLmaGus: how did i never see you get the tab before the saber [2015-10-28 21:37:46] eLmaGus: its so hard to dodge the enemies that way [2015-10-28 21:37:48] eLmaGus: X_X [2015-10-28 21:39:00] Redslash: Lol idk [2015-10-28 21:39:24] Puwexil: ...I never noticed that either [2015-10-28 21:39:26] Redslash: I've definitely reset a few times bec of that Diablos [2015-10-28 21:40:07] eLmaGus: i tried that once, never again [2015-10-28 21:40:45] Redslash: Dang [2015-10-28 21:43:02] Redslash: Alright, I'll share this in return: run diagonally up stairs y'all =) [2015-10-28 21:43:15] Redslash: (One of those things I think about mentioning but forget to) [2015-10-28 21:43:47] eLmaGus: you mean vertical stairs [2015-10-28 21:45:13] Redslash: Mmmm diagonal stairs [2015-10-28 21:45:47] eLmaGus: thats what i meant my bad [2015-10-28 21:45:47] eLmaGus: yeah [2015-10-28 21:45:57] eLmaGus: i always forget to do that and notice as soon as im past them [2015-10-28 21:46:05] eLmaGus: you can even see that its slower if you dont move diagonally [2015-10-28 21:51:48] Redslash: Ok yeah! it's a weird thing. Puwexil's Future stairs are indeed fast. But beware Prison stairs, Zeal stairs [2015-10-28 21:53:21] Redslash: And... Guardia castle stairs (Is that all?) [2015-10-28 21:59:14] Redslash: For Blue Imps, I've been getting "lucky pixel" fairly consistently, by using 2 hands on the D-pad: while running left, add an Up-tap (2 or 4 frames) =) [2015-10-28 22:02:59] Puwexil: which fight is that exactly? [2015-10-28 22:04:39] Redslash: Ah, very 1st fight. The 2nd Blue Imp attacks you quickly, so that you don't have to wait [2015-10-28 22:05:25] Puwexil: ah, didn't know there was finesse to triggering that fight [2015-10-28 22:11:49] eLmaGus: there is finesse to everything in the game [2015-10-28 22:11:58] eLmaGus: D : [2015-10-28 22:13:11] Redslash: 23 frames X) [2015-10-28 22:13:21] Redslash: Never timed it before [2015-10-28 22:13:53] Redslash: Yo but there's weeeeird frame stuff tho... [2015-10-28 22:15:34] Redslash: Even when you queue up moves during an animation, depending on what move (Attack, or Tech), the frames it takes to "process" it seem to differ.... [2015-10-28 22:16:41] eLmaGus: lets check for every action in the game [2015-10-28 22:16:47] Redslash: Then there's that ATB glitch stuff (Troll Masa et al.) [2015-10-28 22:16:58] eLmaGus: i ahvent been getting that lately [2015-10-28 22:17:04] eLmaGus: i used to get that quite frequently [2015-10-28 22:17:48] Redslash: Just don't hit the left of the stairs [2015-10-28 22:18:32 | Edited 22:18:38] Redslash: If you hesitate for a moment it's ok.. Just don't hit left side at "full speed" [2015-10-30 16:30:53] Redslash: Dang, a 16-hour 100% submission... in 10 segments... [2015-10-30 16:35:44] Redslash: Beats Black Omen 3 times... [2015-10-30 16:56:23] ElGranJerry: Really? [2015-10-30 16:56:23] ElGranJerry: Prolly got all items [2015-10-30 17:15:14] Redslash: Doubt it... anyway, 6 hours of it are offline, and apparently death = stop timer until you get back to your spot [2015-10-30 17:16:05] Redslash: Also called it a "practice run", so... better luck next time? =P [2015-10-30 17:18:09] ElGranJerry: Lmao [2015-10-30 17:18:17] ElGranJerry: Segmented run though... [2015-10-30 17:18:24 | Edited 17:18:33] ElGranJerry: I wouldnt accept it because of that [2015-10-30 17:18:54] ElGranJerry: Assumming it was on speedrun.com or wikidot the submission [2015-10-30 17:55:26] Redslash: Tfw write up a PM like, grats on your run, hope you stick with it, etc... "User does not accept messages from those they don't follow" Alright rip [2015-10-30 17:59:37] ElGranJerry: Lmaoooo [2015-10-30 19:06:46] eLmaGus: yeeeeeeeeeah... i saw that one [2015-10-31 8:43:25] Gand988: there is a guy that are not able to exit the retinite chamber [2015-10-31 8:52:26] Gand988: ok, was w/o diagonal input [2015-10-31 9:28:11] DrunkenDraconian: anyone racing today? [2015-10-31 9:30:34] eLmaGus: probably not have a marathon run in a bit [2015-10-31 9:31:05] eLmaGus: was planning to but they are an hour behind schedule soooooooooooooooooooooo im owned [2015-11-05 4:05:51] eLmaGus: hello friends, anybody wanna race magus today at 10:30 AM EST or tomorrow between 11AM - 1PM EST? saturday seems very busy and this group has been very quiet, i'd like to get some races going again [2015-11-05 4:06:03] eLmaGus: alternatively you guys should meet up on saturday and race again 8) [2015-11-05 5:56:47] ElGranJerry: Sorry bro, I am at class all day today [2015-11-05 5:56:58] ElGranJerry: I will be running Zelda I and CT at a marathon tomorrow though [2015-11-05 5:57:15] eLmaGus: oh boy [2015-11-05 5:57:18] eLmaGus: which one [2015-11-05 5:57:58] ElGranJerry: Speedruns Español [2015-11-05 5:58:03] ElGranJerry: gonna be in spanish though [2015-11-05 5:58:30] ElGranJerry: https://horaro.org/2damaratonsre/progfinsre [2015-11-05 5:58:49] eLmaGus: fiesta mexicana [2015-11-05 5:58:56] eLmaGus: ill make sure to shout it out on twitter [2015-11-05 5:59:22] ElGranJerry: Thanks <3 [2015-11-05 6:00:33] ElGranJerry: I've been practicing, tonight I might stream a few RTAs from BT to End. I've been doing alright up to magus [2015-11-05 6:00:53] ElGranJerry: Hopefully when exams end in late november I can start racing consistently again [2015-11-06 21:00:41] Redslash: Sorry I've been kinda MIA lately... I dunno how long it'll take, month or two, but I'll return for sure (things are fine, working on other stuff) [2015-11-06 22:38:12] Redslash: Yo yo, Jerry's on. 30 min in http://twitch.tv/speedrunsespanol [2015-11-07 1:31:50] ElGranJerry: Duddde fuckkkk [2015-11-07 1:31:56] ElGranJerry: 16 min elixir glitch [2015-11-07 1:32:03] ElGranJerry: Choked a 3:06 [2015-11-07 1:36:10] Redslash: I heard Redslash porque XD [2015-11-07 1:36:27] Redslash: But you did great man. Fk elixir glitch. Good run [2015-11-07 1:36:30] ElGranJerry: I tried the new strat at the start and failed [2015-11-07 1:36:39] ElGranJerry: like the new elixir glitch setup [2015-11-07 1:36:42] Cronokirby: gg [2015-11-07 1:36:42] ElGranJerry: and I panicked [2015-11-07 1:36:45] ElGranJerry: badly [2015-11-07 1:40:35] ElGranJerry: Red is that normal though. The action bar almost going through when I did the backup load (the one that worked) I had never seen it that full before [2015-11-07 11:57:09] Redslash: Probably not. I wasn't following too closely tho because mobile.. and yeah, phone died, sorry x) [2015-11-07 12:54:38] ElGranJerry: lol np, it was just weird [2015-11-08 11:37:52] Redslash: For mash load elixir glitch, I notice Frog using a Midtonic or something is faster than having him crit (also to set you on item) [2015-11-08 11:38:57 | Edited 11:39:14] Redslash: You can either MT quickly, or wait for Lavos' first move. Don't need to worry about changing Lavos' targetting since you don't attack [2015-11-08 11:50:51 | Edited 11:53:31] Redslash: Well, ok if Ayla gets bolted (09-0B load) you might attack then b/c Frog doesn't crit (MT is 20fr slower than non-crit)... [2015-11-08 11:54:17] Redslash: Anyway, I think mash load is the better backup [2015-11-09 7:59:01] ElGranJerry: the mohavor x3 strat in desert posted in the route has ayla getting hit, everytime I do that she gets hit by retinite as well and ends uo dying [2015-11-09 8:00:40] ElGranJerry: and the elixir glitch for lavos core no reload doesn't work (at least for me) gonna stick to the old strats [2015-11-09 8:07:35] eLmaGus: the elixir glitch relies on making absolutley no mistakes [2015-11-09 8:07:38] eLmaGus: as in [2015-11-09 8:07:48] eLmaGus: the small mess ups you can do on some bosses have to not happen [2015-11-09 8:07:54] eLmaGus: everything has to go according to script [2015-11-09 8:08:00] eLmaGus: so its very precise [2015-11-09 8:08:29] eLmaGus: regarding the mohavor, ayla shouldnt get hit it probably has more to do with retinite himself and being a douche [2015-11-09 8:09:16] ElGranJerry: well it's not worth it lol, it doesn't even save time [2015-11-09 8:09:24] ElGranJerry: saves 2s but requires to move your team around more [2015-11-09 8:09:57] ElGranJerry: yeah prob, but 3 times seems too much, maybe a high or low 2.5-2.7 load causes that [2015-11-09 8:10:38] eLmaGus: also i dont think ayla has to get hit on the mohavors [2015-11-09 8:10:44] eLmaGus: unless there is some new stuff [2015-11-09 8:10:57] ElGranJerry: apparently [2015-11-09 8:11:06] ElGranJerry: it says MUST get hit [2015-11-09 8:11:29] eLmaGus: let me check my PB [2015-11-09 8:11:33] Cronokirby: that's what red told me [2015-11-09 8:11:38] Cronokirby: back when I modified the notes [2015-11-09 8:11:45] Cronokirby: I didn't check if it worked on retinite [2015-11-09 8:11:52] Cronokirby: but you should end on the same base rng [2015-11-09 8:12:11] ElGranJerry: should doesn't mean it will [2015-11-09 8:12:19] ElGranJerry: i am just saying what has been happening to me [2015-11-09 8:12:23] eLmaGus: if you notice somebody is in danger you can midtonic them with marle [2015-11-09 8:12:28] eLmaGus: that wont change the RNG [2015-11-09 8:12:47] ElGranJerry: then the extra mid tonic makes the new mohavor fight not worth it [2015-11-09 8:12:59] eLmaGus: well just saying [2015-11-09 8:13:04] eLmaGus: if you end up there [2015-11-09 8:13:07] eLmaGus: you might aswell [2015-11-09 8:13:31] Cronokirby: the point of the desert re route was to avoid waiting on the second [2015-11-09 8:13:41] Cronokirby: the third fight becomes super clunky though [2015-11-09 8:13:46] Cronokirby: and you have to wait there [2015-11-09 8:13:51] eLmaGus: so i believe [2015-11-09 8:13:53] eLmaGus: it is [2015-11-09 8:14:11] eLmaGus: Cat Attack (default) , Attack Ayla (Crit), Spincut [2015-11-09 8:14:38] Cronokirby: for which fight? [2015-11-09 8:14:44] eLmaGus: last mohavor [2015-11-09 8:14:49] ElGranJerry: do you crit there? nice [2015-11-09 8:14:53] eLmaGus: yeah [2015-11-09 8:14:56] ElGranJerry: i did cax2 + spincut [2015-11-09 8:14:58] Cronokirby: ~ Mohavor x3 [2015-11-09 8:14:58] Cronokirby: - Ayla Catattack (Default) , [2015-11-09 8:14:58] Cronokirby: - Marle attack (Miss)[top one], Crono Spincut [top one], Ayla MUST get hit, Critical [2015-11-09 8:15:06] eLmaGus: thats the old stuff [2015-11-09 8:15:11] ElGranJerry: that's what's in the route [2015-11-09 8:15:16] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-11-09 8:15:18] ElGranJerry: and fucked up my marathon run lol [2015-11-09 8:15:22] Cronokirby: iirc I added that in [2015-11-09 8:15:27] eLmaGus: : D [2015-11-09 8:15:33] Cronokirby: after red finding stuff [2015-11-09 8:15:35] eLmaGus: you can [2015-11-09 8:15:43] eLmaGus: cat attack, marle, cat attack , spincut [2015-11-09 8:15:51] eLmaGus: that worked in my PB [2015-11-09 8:15:55] ElGranJerry: you can avoid the marle attack [2015-11-09 8:16:09] eLmaGus: not sure if its needed [2015-11-09 8:16:10] eLmaGus: for RNG [2015-11-09 8:16:16] ElGranJerry: works fine [2015-11-09 8:16:17] eLmaGus: but i assume its nto [2015-11-09 8:16:18] ElGranJerry: i always do it [2015-11-09 8:16:19] eLmaGus: so yeah [2015-11-09 8:16:25] eLmaGus: its a nice buffer [2015-11-09 8:16:34] Cronokirby: iirc it manipulates movement [2015-11-09 8:17:01] ElGranJerry: marle attack is just if you're too slow for 2 cat attacks [2015-11-09 8:17:07] ElGranJerry: before ayla gets hit [2015-11-09 8:19:21] eLmaGus: but yeah bottom line: change it up to cat attack/ cat attack/normal attack / spincut [2015-11-09 8:19:52] ElGranJerry: is the crit guaranteed? I can test that later today [2015-11-09 8:21:44] eLmaGus: probably if you reload right [2015-11-09 8:21:48] eLmaGus: i never tried it with 592 [2015-11-09 8:21:59] eLmaGus: red would know more about that [2015-11-09 8:22:12] ElGranJerry: yeah I've never tried with 592 [2015-11-09 8:22:23] ElGranJerry: I never seem to get the good luck with 592 on the 1st fight [2015-11-09 8:22:26] eLmaGus: surprisingly i have hit that reload everytime since i came back [2015-11-09 8:22:29] eLmaGus: for some reason [2015-11-09 8:23:10] ElGranJerry: dang [2015-11-09 8:24:24] ElGranJerry: I am pretty sure I have a save before Retinite from the marathon run. I'll play around there when i get home [2015-11-12 14:43:25] ElGranJerry: So Sunken Desert Conclusion, 3rd fight saves 1.5s + Marle doesn't get hit [2015-11-12 14:43:36] ElGranJerry: 4th fight loses 3s [2015-11-12 14:44:04] ElGranJerry: so the strat is 1.5s slower but you don't need to heal Marle. So is it really worth it? since you need to midether and the tonics are right there anyways [2015-11-12 14:44:46] ElGranJerry: just posting my findings :) Will keep practicing [2015-11-12 14:46:30] Redslash: 4th fight slower because.. no crit? [2015-11-12 14:46:55] ElGranJerry: marle miss + let ayla get hit [2015-11-12 14:46:59] ElGranJerry: i am getting the crit [2015-11-12 14:47:04] ElGranJerry: at the end [2015-11-12 14:48:41] Redslash: You can't still do the fast strat? [2015-11-12 14:49:11] ElGranJerry: well the route was updated [2015-11-12 14:49:14] ElGranJerry: so idk [2015-11-12 14:49:26] ElGranJerry: I am just really confused atm as to why that strat is there [2015-11-12 14:49:26] Redslash: Oh lol, I gotcha [2015-11-12 14:49:35] ElGranJerry: so I was testing [2015-11-12 14:50:00] ElGranJerry: so we should still be able to do 3rd fight fast and 4th fight with CA, CA, SP [2015-11-12 14:50:26] Redslash: There might've been confusion as to why there were 2 branches for 4th fight, so one was deleted? [2015-11-12 14:50:44] ElGranJerry: idk, i am confused lol [2015-11-12 14:50:49] ElGranJerry: so I am gonna delete the slow strat then [2015-11-12 14:50:58] ElGranJerry: bye bye [2015-11-12 14:51:12] ElGranJerry: I was thinking of doing a backup strat video so I can include that there when I get to it [2015-11-12 14:51:13] Redslash: Uhhh which one is slower? [2015-11-12 14:51:22] ElGranJerry: the one with the crit [2015-11-12 14:51:49] Redslash: I haven't looked at the doc yet, so I'm not on the same page =) [2015-11-12 14:52:08] ElGranJerry: I am wondering who changed the route tbh if it wasnt you lol [2015-11-12 14:52:20] Redslash: Sounded like Ckirb [2015-11-12 14:52:50] ElGranJerry: Already changed it back [2015-11-12 14:53:10] ElGranJerry: Yeah basically the old strat was back there but with a crit instead of a CA [2015-11-12 14:53:59] Redslash: Anyway, you can tell the Drillkick in 3rd fight is faster. Doesn't change 4th fight [2015-11-12 14:54:10] ElGranJerry: yeah [2015-11-12 14:54:14] ElGranJerry: 1.5s faster [2015-11-12 14:54:33 | Edited 14:54:37] Redslash: In 4th fight, crit or CA, whatever you're comfortable with [2015-11-12 14:56:23] Redslash: So you deleted the "Marle miss" thing? [2015-11-12 14:58:23] Redslash: If your first CA was a bit slow, you still need to do it [2015-11-12 14:58:31] ElGranJerry: If the crit is guaranteed then the fastest strat is [2015-11-12 14:58:37 | Edited 15:00:09] ElGranJerry: Ayla CA, Ayla CA (right), Crono Crit [2015-11-12 14:58:55] ElGranJerry: Yeah if you were slow you need to do the old one [2015-11-12 15:05:01] Redslash: Interesting. If you have Ayla crit first, she can also hit default instead of the one approaching [2015-11-12 15:05:21] Redslash: Never thought of Crono crit [2015-11-12 15:07:41] ElGranJerry: It's a bit risky not healing marle though [2015-11-12 15:07:54] ElGranJerry: if she takes small damage from the sand she dies vs retinite [2015-11-12 15:08:38] Redslash: Yeahhh you should still heal her, true [2015-11-12 15:14:22] ElGranJerry: yup [2015-11-12 15:14:41] ElGranJerry: Also if she has under 222 you can get trolled if Retinite sand cyclones her instead of crono [2015-11-19 11:13:06] Redslash: Aw, rip stab? [2015-11-19 11:14:53] eLmaGus: ? [2015-11-19 11:15:20] Redslash: SR.com got changed [2015-11-19 11:15:29] eLmaGus: dahell [2015-11-19 11:16:02] eLmaGus: who the hell did that [2015-11-19 11:16:33] ElGranJerry: i changed it [2015-11-19 11:16:39] Puwexil: (no) [2015-11-19 11:16:57] ElGranJerry: dude it's so dumb not to have any% as the fastest category [2015-11-19 11:16:59] Cronokirby: where did stab% come from? [2015-11-19 11:17:02] ElGranJerry: tired of explaining to new runners [2015-11-19 11:17:18] eLmaGus: alright time to have the cage match [2015-11-19 11:17:22] Puwexil: there are new runners? [2015-11-19 11:17:24] eLmaGus: i knew this cage would come in handy [2015-11-19 11:17:48] Redslash: Any% isn't fastest for several games [2015-11-19 11:17:55] ElGranJerry: yeah a few [2015-11-19 11:18:01] Puwexil: it's the least popular category for the game too [2015-11-19 11:18:04] ElGranJerry: mostly from the recent marathon I did [2015-11-19 11:18:07] Cronokirby: you have to explain lss anyways [2015-11-19 11:18:14] Cronokirby: since no lss is the most popular cat [2015-11-19 11:18:36] Puwexil: I never call my FF4 runs 'no 64', because noone that doesn't run the game is going to know or care what that means [2015-11-19 11:18:46] Puwexil: ditto for CT - it's just Any% if it's not 100% [2015-11-19 11:19:42] Puwexil: if you don't want to call it Stab% I would just say Any% with LSS or something [2015-11-19 11:20:00] Puwexil: since so few people run with LSS it'll probably mean the least confusion [2015-11-19 11:20:16] Cronokirby: people could also look at the rules [2015-11-19 11:20:21] Cronokirby: and see that lss is allowe [2015-11-19 11:20:25] Redslash: I'm mean, it's a bit early to change it based on our reasoning of "most competitive", but I believe in Any%-J taking the title soon =) [2015-11-19 11:20:40] Cronokirby: it's about popularity [2015-11-19 11:20:53] Cronokirby: J is cool though [2015-11-19 11:21:13] Cronokirby: nolss has the most times by far [2015-11-19 11:21:48] ElGranJerry: stab% is an awful name [2015-11-19 11:21:57] ElGranJerry: any% and any% lss sounds good to [2015-11-19 11:22:12] Cronokirby: vote? [2015-11-19 11:22:45] eLmaGus: so by logic [2015-11-19 11:22:47] eLmaGus: you realize [2015-11-19 11:22:47] ElGranJerry: like you can disagree with me but come on, there's not even a route up for any% with lss [2015-11-19 11:22:48] eLmaGus: its all Any% [2015-11-19 11:22:55] ElGranJerry: nobody has cared about that [2015-11-19 11:23:03] ElGranJerry: and I hate there being confusion [2015-11-19 11:23:10] Redslash: Would you guys be down with the name "Any% Classic"? I kinda like it [2015-11-19 11:23:18] Redslash: Wow there's a route [2015-11-19 11:23:27] Cronokirby: no lss is less confusing [2015-11-19 11:23:35] Puwexil: not really [2015-11-19 11:23:40] Cronokirby: no FPW is the most technical term [2015-11-19 11:23:43] Puwexil: it leads to more questions about what LSS is [2015-11-19 11:23:50] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 11:23:53] Puwexil: since most CT runners run that cat [2015-11-19 11:24:06] Cronokirby: classic brings up the differences question too [2015-11-19 11:24:17] Redslash: And more stuff could happen that would need to be banned from Classic [2015-11-19 11:24:17] eLmaGus: just merge the leaderboards for Any% [2015-11-19 11:24:22] Cronokirby: "what makes classic different?" [2015-11-19 11:24:22] eLmaGus: make a colum with "LSS?" [2015-11-19 11:24:31] eLmaGus: mark it with an "x" when the run used it [2015-11-19 11:24:32] ElGranJerry: simple as that [2015-11-19 11:24:38] Cronokirby: :((((( [2015-11-19 11:24:42] eLmaGus: you can list runners multiple times aswell [2015-11-19 11:24:50] eLmaGus: like red can have LSS and no LSS on it [2015-11-19 11:24:53] Cronokirby: the categories should be seperate [2015-11-19 11:24:57] eLmaGus: no [2015-11-19 11:24:58] ElGranJerry: oh no [2015-11-19 11:25:01] ElGranJerry: I agree with crono here [2015-11-19 11:25:06] ElGranJerry: we've had this discussion [2015-11-19 11:25:10] eLmaGus: its both the same [2015-11-19 11:25:14] eLmaGus: beat the game asap [2015-11-19 11:25:16] Redslash: Same, don't like the merged =) [2015-11-19 11:25:17] Cronokirby: you're suggesting seperate categories on the same page [2015-11-19 11:25:24] Cronokirby: well the routes are different [2015-11-19 11:25:29] Cronokirby: and the endgame is different [2015-11-19 11:25:32] Cronokirby: also 12 minute skip [2015-11-19 11:25:38] eLmaGus: its only different because you dont LSS [2015-11-19 11:25:45] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 11:25:52] Cronokirby: that warrants a seperation [2015-11-19 11:25:56] eLmaGus: not really [2015-11-19 11:26:01] ElGranJerry: it's only different in OOT cause you don't need Wrong warp [2015-11-19 11:26:04] Cronokirby: and there's people who want to run without it [2015-11-19 11:26:06] ElGranJerry: but it's different [2015-11-19 11:26:08] eLmaGus: by that logic every game has 500 categories [2015-11-19 11:26:18] eLmaGus: we had this in FF4 before with single segment [2015-11-19 11:26:28] Puwexil: lol, single segment [2015-11-19 11:26:38] Cronokirby: and it isn't fair to have those people be lumped up with the few who run lss [2015-11-19 11:26:48] eLmaGus: of course its fair [2015-11-19 11:26:55] eLmaGus: learn the trick or be 30 mins behind [2015-11-19 11:26:57] Millnium: Smrpg no mack skip/super jumps best cat [2015-11-19 11:27:04] Cronokirby: why not lump in 100% then [2015-11-19 11:27:07] eLmaGus: the trick is not impossible [2015-11-19 11:27:13] Cronokirby: you waste time doing all those sidequests [2015-11-19 11:27:15] eLmaGus: because it has a different goal [2015-11-19 11:27:19] eLmaGus: its not beat the game asap [2015-11-19 11:27:25] eLmaGus: its beat the game WITH ALL SIDEQUESTS asap [2015-11-19 11:27:32] Cronokirby: categories exist because people want to run them [2015-11-19 11:27:51] Cronokirby: if people want to beat the game without skipping the shell [2015-11-19 11:27:59] eLmaGus: thats fine but its still any% [2015-11-19 11:28:02] Cronokirby: why not allow them to compare with other people doing it the same way [2015-11-19 11:28:33 | Edited 11:28:42] Redslash: Yeah... Any% "Classic" =^) [2015-11-19 11:28:38] Puwexil: as always, I don't care - I do runs for my own enjoyment and not for leaderboard sites [2015-11-19 11:28:49] Redslash: Freakin skype [2015-11-19 11:28:50] ElGranJerry: Why is it wrong to have multiple categories? In all the cases the division is caused by 1 trick [2015-11-19 11:29:00] ElGranJerry: wrong warps, sketch, glitch, call it what you want [2015-11-19 11:29:06] Cronokirby: the division doesn't hurt really [2015-11-19 11:29:29] Cronokirby: it's like any% no S&Q for lttp [2015-11-19 11:29:32] Cronokirby: sure [2015-11-19 11:29:38] Cronokirby: you could integrate it into the run [2015-11-19 11:29:44] Millnium: I like the 'any%' 'any% no lss' titles w/ j/u together. And stab% is an awful thing [2015-11-19 11:29:45] Cronokirby: but people think it's less interesting [2015-11-19 11:29:57] Cronokirby: and want to compare against people who don't S&Q [2015-11-19 11:30:23] eLmaGus: lttp is a monster of his own [2015-11-19 11:30:47] Cronokirby: I don't think J and U should be put together [2015-11-19 11:30:53] Cronokirby: the rules are very different [2015-11-19 11:31:03] Cronokirby: in regards to timing, turbo controllers etc [2015-11-19 11:31:09] Puwexil: lttp and super metroid are my usual retorts when people say that 'true any%' is the only real speedrun category [2015-11-19 11:31:31] Redslash: Nah Ckirb, timing's the same and no turbo [2015-11-19 11:31:47] eLmaGus: text is vastly different and glitches work differently [2015-11-19 11:31:49] Cronokirby: you don't run ct bs1 active? [2015-11-19 11:32:09] DrunkenDraconian: now we aer talking [2015-11-19 11:32:30] eLmaGus: i mean i just said what i think, honestly it doesnt matter much but the less categories the better. i dont midn seperating it with classic or whatever im just saying [2015-11-19 11:32:35] eLmaGus: if you start splitting hairs there [2015-11-19 11:32:42] eLmaGus: you will hjave 1 billion categories all too soon [2015-11-19 11:33:18] eLmaGus: somebody will do glitchless [2015-11-19 11:33:22] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 11:33:23] eLmaGus: another one will do no RNG manipulation [2015-11-19 11:33:28] eLmaGus: another one will do no s+q (hi DD) [2015-11-19 11:33:31] Cronokirby: glitchless will be radically different [2015-11-19 11:33:34] eLmaGus: and so on and so forth [2015-11-19 11:33:37] Cronokirby: no rng manip is impossible [2015-11-19 11:33:49] ElGranJerry: lol [2015-11-19 11:33:55] eLmaGus: no RNG manipulation no LSS [2015-11-19 11:33:56] Cronokirby: you could only ban s&q [2015-11-19 11:33:59] eLmaGus: no RNG manipulation w/ LSS [2015-11-19 11:34:13] ElGranJerry: that won't happen [2015-11-19 11:34:14] eLmaGus: Any% /w RNG Value b7 [2015-11-19 11:34:15] Puwexil: PS1 version [2015-11-19 11:34:19] Cronokirby: DS [2015-11-19 11:34:26] eLmaGus: like i mean thats what im afraid of [2015-11-19 11:34:30] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 11:34:31] eLmaGus: im surprised it hasnt happened so far [2015-11-19 11:34:34] Cronokirby: just put that shit in misc [2015-11-19 11:34:41] DrunkenDraconian: rofl [2015-11-19 11:34:50] Puwexil: I think the only RPG that's really gotten to that level is FF7 [2015-11-19 11:34:57] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 11:34:57] eLmaGus: well [2015-11-19 11:35:00] eLmaGus: FF6 had the seed stuff [2015-11-19 11:35:04] Cronokirby: that aint the ps1's fault [2015-11-19 11:35:05] eLmaGus: shoutouts to france [2015-11-19 11:35:12] Cronokirby: FF6 ng+ boyz [2015-11-19 11:35:14] Cronokirby: Kappa [2015-11-19 11:35:18] Puwexil: "glitchless no slots all JP bosses" being my favorite [2015-11-19 11:35:25] eLmaGus: and things like that [2015-11-19 11:35:33] eLmaGus: im pretty sure that turns people off the game [2015-11-19 11:35:42] eLmaGus: because as soon as we started splitting hairs in ff6 [2015-11-19 11:35:45] eLmaGus: people stopped playing the game [2015-11-19 11:35:46] Cronokirby: I actually wanted to route ending 3% [2015-11-19 11:35:51] Cronokirby: one day [2015-11-19 11:35:59] Cronokirby: we'll have a cat for every ending [2015-11-19 11:36:03] Cronokirby: individually [2015-11-19 11:36:13] Redslash: I like the criteria for separate cat's that the differences are "interesting enough" [2015-11-19 11:36:23] Cronokirby: or in enough demand [2015-11-19 11:36:51] Cronokirby: if people want to run dev ending [2015-11-19 11:36:55] Cronokirby: they can run dev ending [2015-11-19 11:37:14] ElGranJerry: demand has nothing to do, if 53 people run any% bs5 ending #3 they can do that but it doesn't make it a real thing [2015-11-19 11:37:29] Cronokirby: why shouldn't we give them a leaderboard? [2015-11-19 11:37:29] Puwexil: sure it does - to them [2015-11-19 11:37:37] Cronokirby: at that point [2015-11-19 11:37:42] Puwexil: no one else needs to care or detract from their fun [2015-11-19 11:37:44] ElGranJerry: I used to run 3x ish exits on SMW, not gonna get a leaderboard because of me and my friends [2015-11-19 11:37:52] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 11:37:56] Cronokirby: like if it's a meme cat [2015-11-19 11:37:59] Cronokirby: maybe in mic [2015-11-19 11:38:09] Cronokirby: but if different people actually take interest [2015-11-19 11:38:12] Cronokirby: and route dev ending [2015-11-19 11:38:15] Cronokirby: why not? [2015-11-19 11:38:23] Cronokirby: it only adds diversity [2015-11-19 11:38:48] Redslash: You could also make your own board, just to keep track your cat... idk [2015-11-19 11:39:09] Cronokirby: keeping the any% and any% no lss titles does help solidify the 2 cats as the main ones [2015-11-19 11:39:11 | Edited 11:39:21] Redslash: Kinda shows a failure of the community not to integrate it into the main board tho maybe X) [2015-11-19 11:39:21] Cronokirby: so I think that should stay [2015-11-19 11:39:22] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-11-19 11:39:47] Puwexil: I still plan to call it any% even if you guys call it any% no lss [2015-11-19 11:40:01] Cronokirby: it still needs a distinction [2015-11-19 11:40:08] Puwexil: since I don't feel like explaining what LSS is every 10 minutes [2015-11-19 11:40:10] Cronokirby: if we're to consider it seperate [2015-11-19 11:40:12] Cronokirby: but yeah [2015-11-19 11:40:24] Cronokirby: I call FF6 esquisse% [2015-11-19 11:40:27] Cronokirby: sometimes [2015-11-19 11:40:28] Cronokirby: ;) [2015-11-19 11:40:40] Cronokirby: some people called any% "diehard" [2015-11-19 11:40:48] Cronokirby: that's their choice [2015-11-19 11:40:56] Cronokirby: but as far as the leaderboards go [2015-11-19 11:41:08] Cronokirby: sticking as close to well known lingo is a good idea [2015-11-19 11:41:21] Cronokirby: so keeping any% and any% no lss [2015-11-19 11:41:30] Cronokirby: would help highlight their importance [2015-11-19 11:42:17] Millnium: Puwexil just direct people to a pastebin explanation, that's how everything is solved nowadays [2015-11-19 11:42:31] Cronokirby: !lss [2015-11-19 11:42:53] Puwexil: i like my way better because both me and twitch viewers are very lazy :P [2015-11-19 11:42:59] Cronokirby: why was ff3 so short? [2015-11-19 11:43:09] Puwexil: and I don't like pastebins because that site is blocked at my work [2015-11-19 11:43:20] Millnium: Dang [2015-11-19 11:43:22] Cronokirby: google docs [2015-11-19 11:43:58] Redslash: When I uploaded to splits.io I noticed Jack used "Any%", and he wasn't logged in so that can't be changed [2015-11-19 11:44:24 | Edited 11:44:39] Redslash: So I created "Any% Classic". I can change the name on that tho, if we want [2015-11-19 11:44:49] ElGranJerry: any%, any% lss. ez enough [2015-11-19 11:45:07] ElGranJerry: any% any% no lss, whatever [2015-11-19 11:45:12] Cronokirby: I liked FPW though :( [2015-11-19 11:45:45] Cronokirby: the most technical name for lss [2015-11-19 11:45:54] Cronokirby: but yeah [2015-11-19 11:45:55] Puwexil: FeralPigWoman [2015-11-19 11:46:03] Cronokirby: False Position Warp [2015-11-19 11:46:28] Cronokirby: that's technically what's happening [2015-11-19 11:46:40] Cronokirby: but lss is easier to understand [2015-11-19 11:50:16] Redslash: There, I mentioned it in the description~ [2015-11-19 11:50:43] Cronokirby: <3 [2015-11-19 11:52:10] eLmaGus: BUT I USED EOT SA [2015-11-19 11:52:15] eLmaGus: (see where this is going) [2015-11-19 11:52:18] eLmaGus: > : ) [2015-11-19 11:52:24] Cronokirby: that's not an FPW [2015-11-19 11:52:33] Cronokirby: you didn't store your coordinates into ram [2015-11-19 11:52:39] ElGranJerry: that's like saying I did shelter skip [2015-11-19 11:52:45] Cronokirby: a few frames before the warp [2015-11-19 11:52:46] ElGranJerry: or getting an extra heart in zelda games [2015-11-19 11:52:55] eLmaGus: it technically is [2015-11-19 11:53:03] eLmaGus: you just dont follow through with it [2015-11-19 11:53:22] Redslash: You don't abuse OoB to do it =) [2015-11-19 11:53:43] Cronokirby: FPW is specifically the part of lss where you open the menu before a warp to have different coordinates then the ones intended after a warp [2015-11-19 11:53:50] Cronokirby: eot sa doesn't abuse that [2015-11-19 11:54:21] Cronokirby: but you do have a point [2015-11-19 11:54:25] Cronokirby: there's no need to hide [2015-11-19 11:54:28] Cronokirby: or sugar coat it [2015-11-19 11:54:38] Cronokirby: we're seperating the categories [2015-11-19 11:54:44] Cronokirby: specifically cause of lss [2015-11-19 11:56:45] Redslash: You can also tell if you FPW'd because if you swap party during that menu: when you leave the menu then Crono is gone (poof!) [2015-11-19 11:59:20] Redslash: (You will still have the coordinate / savepoint stored successfully) [2015-11-19 12:09:55] Redslash: I guess Any%-J wasn't "Stab" anyhow... Stab is US-only (FUNgineer) [2015-11-19 12:10:22] Cronokirby: why stab? [2015-11-19 12:11:14] Redslash: http://twitch.tv/jackafur [2015-11-19 12:11:24] Cronokirby: huh? [2015-11-19 12:11:44] Redslash: Check his emotes [2015-11-19 12:17:41] Redslash: What's great is you can use sub emotes on SR.com, whether you're subbed or not. This was my comment http://www.speedrun.com/run/7ylolnny [2015-11-19 12:18:00] Cronokirby: so [2015-11-19 12:18:45] Cronokirby: can we rename any% -j [2015-11-19 12:18:53] Cronokirby: any% judy&mary [2015-11-19 12:18:55] Cronokirby: ? [2015-11-19 12:19:26] Redslash: Hmmm [2015-11-19 12:19:38] Redslash: You may be on to something there, Ckirb [2015-11-19 12:20:59] Redslash: However, every cat I run is jam% [2015-11-19 13:13:34] Redslash: Mmm I changed the Any% descrip to "Nothing in-game is banned", lol [2015-11-19 13:14:38] Puwexil: you mean I can't start a run and then hack my save to lvl 99 while the timer's running? jeez [2015-11-19 13:20:23 | Edited 13:20:37] Redslash: Rofl, well I'd be impressed by that. I think that now "no turbo" can be implied [2015-11-19 13:21:53] Cronokirby: Well [2015-11-19 13:22:02] Cronokirby: mid frame ressssset [2015-11-19 13:24:14] Redslash: Wuh-oh [2015-11-19 13:24:20] Redslash: Riiiiip [2015-11-19 13:24:39] Cronokirby: unless you'd want to merge that if it becomes a thing [2015-11-19 13:25:21 | Edited 13:29:02] Redslash: Idk, it's a special case. I never thought about it from the hardware angle [2015-11-19 13:25:47] Redslash: Bit like cartridge tilting maybe, eh? =X [2015-11-19 13:26:05] Redslash: Someday cartridge tilting will be emulated [2015-11-19 13:29:12] ElGranJerry: No need to theorize about midframe resets. When runs with it become a thing (if ever possible) then we cross that bridge [2015-11-19 13:29:24] ElGranJerry: Rta not tas [2015-11-19 13:29:51] Cronokirby: no need to think about it [2015-11-19 13:30:06] Cronokirby: but yeah [2015-11-19 13:30:13] Cronokirby: it's possible to load deleted saves [2015-11-19 13:30:17] Cronokirby: it's pointless in rta [2015-11-19 13:30:27] Cronokirby: but you might want to ban that too [2015-11-19 13:31:16] Cronokirby: and be specific about how you load saves [2015-11-19 13:31:30] Cronokirby: and how you can't load DATA created before the run [2015-11-19 13:33:06] Redslash: "Single segment" is sorta implied and covers that.. [2015-11-19 13:33:25] Cronokirby: uhh [2015-11-19 13:33:29] ElGranJerry: No need to get into that lol [2015-11-19 13:33:34] Cronokirby: since when is any% single segment [2015-11-19 13:33:37] ElGranJerry: This isnt SS [2015-11-19 13:33:45] Redslash: I mean it's not the right term [2015-11-19 13:33:56] Cronokirby: cause we do load saves [2015-11-19 13:33:59] Cronokirby: in any% [2015-11-19 13:34:03] ElGranJerry: You cant load past saves on console [2015-11-19 13:34:07] Cronokirby: you can [2015-11-19 13:34:12] Cronokirby: it's a glitch [2015-11-19 13:34:15] Redslash: afaik there's no term for "one continuous file" [2015-11-19 13:34:24] Redslash: but that's what I meant [2015-11-19 13:34:40] Cronokirby: you can load a save by pressing down/up +a [2015-11-19 13:34:43] Cronokirby: at the same time [2015-11-19 13:34:48] Cronokirby: even if it was deleted [2015-11-19 13:35:06] ElGranJerry: Sigh. Even if possble It's the same as you cant load file #2 if you are playing in file #1 [2015-11-19 13:35:16] Cronokirby: you can [2015-11-19 13:35:24] Cronokirby: you make an end game save in file 2 [2015-11-19 13:35:28] Cronokirby: delete all files [2015-11-19 13:35:32] Cronokirby: start game as per usual [2015-11-19 13:35:33] Redslash: Jerry's saying not allowed, lol [2015-11-19 13:35:36] Cronokirby: make save in slot 1 [2015-11-19 13:35:43] Cronokirby: oh [2015-11-19 13:36:17] Redslash: Start new game without deleting prev files, same deal [2015-11-19 13:36:20] Cronokirby: "don't submit a run that exploits loopholes in the rules" [2015-11-19 13:36:26] Cronokirby: there we go [2015-11-19 13:36:45] ElGranJerry: Its not a loophole. Its common sense you cant load a different file [2015-11-19 13:37:01] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 13:37:05] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-11-19 13:37:14] ElGranJerry: Hey i started on slot 1 the copied slot 2 to 1 and got wr [2015-11-19 13:37:25] ElGranJerry: Like come on [2015-11-19 13:37:30] Cronokirby: make a save before fair [2015-11-19 13:37:34] Cronokirby: load deleted save [2015-11-19 13:37:37] Cronokirby: >magic.png [2015-11-19 13:39:53] Redslash: Deleting saves is also not a rule btw. It's only a recommendation, for RNG purposes =) [2015-11-19 13:40:27] ElGranJerry: Yup [2015-11-19 13:40:33] Cronokirby: when is crash the game as fast as possible%? [2015-11-19 13:42:28] Cronokirby: but yeah [2015-11-19 13:42:43] Cronokirby: we can reserve the right to reject a run that's "ahead of its time" [2015-11-19 13:42:49] Cronokirby: in terms of skips glitches etc [2015-11-19 13:42:54] Cronokirby: and create a new category [2015-11-19 13:44:25] Redslash: Hm, not sure about that [2015-11-19 13:44:42] Cronokirby: someone does rta midframe reset [2015-11-19 13:44:46] Cronokirby: submits to any% [2015-11-19 13:45:04] Cronokirby: if we want to create a seperation [2015-11-19 13:45:06] Cronokirby: we could [2015-11-19 13:45:15] Redslash: Yeah. It's the "old" route that gets the new category, if there's gonna be a split [2015-11-19 13:45:28] Cronokirby: when it comes to any% [2015-11-19 13:45:32] Redslash: We still gotta accept the "Any%" submission~ [2015-11-19 13:45:35] Cronokirby: since any% is the fastest [2015-11-19 13:45:53] Cronokirby: we'd just have to move the times to the new more restrictive cat [2015-11-19 13:45:59] Cronokirby: Also [2015-11-19 13:46:06] Cronokirby: why isn't dtank skip a thing? [2015-11-19 13:46:26] ElGranJerry: Because you cant skip it? [2015-11-19 13:46:40] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-11-19 13:46:41] Cronokirby: but why [2015-11-19 13:46:43] ElGranJerry: Small problem [2015-11-19 13:47:01] ElGranJerry: It doesnt work. [2015-11-19 13:47:04] Cronokirby: Couldn't you fadeout his entrance? [2015-11-19 13:47:10] Cronokirby: or does that not work? [2015-11-19 13:47:22] ElGranJerry: Doesnt do anything, everything has been tried [2015-11-19 13:47:33] Redslash: It's most def been tried, ha =) [2015-11-19 13:47:34] Cronokirby: what happens? [2015-11-19 13:47:42] Cronokirby: what if we got SA [2015-11-19 13:47:46] ElGranJerry: You get the chancellor text not the boss, I a sure it has to do with it [2015-11-19 13:47:51] Cronokirby: then moved pixels while saving [2015-11-19 13:47:52] ElGranJerry: It has bee tested [2015-11-19 13:47:57] ElGranJerry: Nothing happens [2015-11-19 13:48:00] Cronokirby: and entered the next room [2015-11-19 13:48:07] Redslash: Can't move pixels while saving [2015-11-19 13:48:17] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 13:48:25] Cronokirby: don't you get a few frames to move [2015-11-19 13:48:28] Cronokirby: before text loads [2015-11-19 13:48:30] Redslash: You snap to the tile (16 px increments only) [2015-11-19 13:48:35] Cronokirby: ah [2015-11-19 13:49:19] Cronokirby: you can't delay it like you can the robo door shutting cutscene [2015-11-19 13:49:29] Cronokirby: where robo stops the doors in the factory? [2015-11-19 13:50:05] Cronokirby: I just thought of something [2015-11-19 13:50:11] Redslash: Nope, pretty rare case there. [2015-11-19 13:50:18] Cronokirby: hmm [2015-11-19 13:50:25] Cronokirby: it's a shame we can't skip more bosses [2015-11-19 13:50:27] Redslash: I've looked all over for another place to do that, since it'd mean more BiT fun =0 [2015-11-19 13:50:36] Redslash: Agree [2015-11-19 13:50:40] Cronokirby: like [2015-11-19 13:50:43] Cronokirby: retinite skip [2015-11-19 13:50:55] Cronokirby: ;) [2015-11-19 13:51:00] Redslash: We came "close" [2015-11-19 13:51:05] Cronokirby: oooh [2015-11-19 13:51:19] Redslash: More people should mess with it tbh [2015-11-19 13:51:26] Cronokirby: well [2015-11-19 13:51:32] Cronokirby: even if you trigger the boss [2015-11-19 13:51:43] Cronokirby: what sets the flag for the desert being cleared? [2015-11-19 13:51:51] Cronokirby: and the sidequest being continued [2015-11-19 13:52:01] Redslash: I think we just gotta offscreen him, like Yakra/Heckran [2015-11-19 13:52:23] Cronokirby: what problems are we facing with the skip? [2015-11-19 13:52:24] Redslash: Boss over, get dialogue, leave [2015-11-19 13:52:59] ElGranJerry: I mean, even if Ret skip happens we'd need to grind a bit for haste still. But it'd be cool [2015-11-19 13:53:02] Redslash: Camera pans over to Ret no matter where you are in the room, forces battle [2015-11-19 13:53:02] Cronokirby: BLT Skip? [2015-11-19 13:53:12] Cronokirby: maybe [2015-11-19 13:55:25] Redslash: For Any% Classic w/ Ret skip, OP Lavos might be faster =0 [2015-11-19 13:55:56] Redslash: Learn Haste from Mt Woe and OP [2015-11-19 13:56:12] Redslash: oh wait you don't need it [2015-11-19 13:56:54] Puwexil: you probably would with how fast ocean palace lavos is [2015-11-19 13:57:12] Redslash: Nah, elixir glitch =D [2015-11-19 13:57:26] Puwexil: thought he still only had 10k HP there? [2015-11-19 13:59:34] Redslash: OP Lavos has 30k. He's a beast [2015-11-19 14:00:30] Puwexil: ah, never knew [2015-11-19 14:02:01 | Edited 14:02:18] Redslash: My "Dev End" theory TAS from January was 2:55 I think. Ret skip (+ EoT S/A etc) probably wouldn't get it down to match the 2:49, I guess [2015-11-19 14:04:39] Redslash: Especially cuz you can Falconhit Retinite [2015-11-19 14:34:49] Redslash: It's also good you changed hundo to "100% (All Sidequests)", Jerry [2015-11-19 14:35:13] Redslash: When is true 100%? =) [2015-11-19 14:35:53] Redslash: I'm actually excited, sounds like Cordellium is routing a true CC 100% [2015-11-19 14:38:11] DrunkenDraconian: 100% active bs1 no S&Q is "HardcoreHundo" [2015-11-19 14:42:29] Redslash: Battle Cursor off? =) [2015-11-19 14:43:34] DrunkenDraconian: oh god [2015-11-19 14:44:27] DrunkenDraconian: I've been pecking away at it, just need to figure how much to grind for the final fight to be doable [2015-11-19 14:45:10] Redslash: Dang dude, right on. Keep up the fight [2015-11-19 14:46:45] Redslash: I'm excited to see your stuff. I've been slacking off on Low Level... [2015-11-19 14:49:09] Redslash: Yo 100% would definitely mean no boss skips, eh [2015-11-19 14:49:19] DrunkenDraconian: full runs are tough because 6+ hours more like 8 with deaths [2015-11-19 14:49:32] DrunkenDraconian: yeah all bosses, forgot that [2015-11-19 14:49:47] DrunkenDraconian: I'm trying to decide if I should atleast enter intot he cyrus battle [2015-11-19 14:52:39] Redslash: True hundo would prob include all endings =))) [2015-11-19 14:52:56] DrunkenDraconian: lvl 99 and pink nu [2015-11-19 14:53:52] Redslash: I'm just thinking of any reason for a viewer to say "Hey this isn't 100%," we gotta include it [2015-11-19 14:53:59] Redslash: The people's category [2015-11-19 14:55:30] Redslash: They wanna see every triple tech too [2015-11-19 14:56:05] Redslash: Probably all the sword/gun animations... [2015-11-19 14:56:07] DrunkenDraconian: is there a list of every item and fight in the game? [2015-11-19 14:56:21] Redslash: Hmm... [2015-11-19 14:56:23] Puwexil: don't forget attacking with no weapon equipped [2015-11-19 14:56:59] Redslash: I always consider the listings in the PSX version to be definitive [2015-11-19 14:57:05] Puwexil: meant to show that off during the SGDQ run by having lucca attack son of sun's flame with no gun, but forgot [2015-11-19 14:57:43 | Edited 14:57:56] Redslash: Problem is there's no rip of that listing online, as far as I've ever seen [2015-11-19 14:58:13] Redslash: Ah yeah, no weapon too, ofc [2015-11-19 14:59:48] Redslash: Er, not even a "rip", but nothing written out either [2015-11-19 15:01:46] Redslash: Red Scarlet had one but it's gone?? [2015-11-19 15:05:57 | Edited 15:08:17] Redslash: Oh ok I've seen this. It's only the BGM and Endings sections http://www.ign.com/faqs/2003/chrono-trigger-omake-mode-faq-386235 [2015-11-19 15:07:22] Redslash: There's still Techs, Monster, Boss, and Maps & Items [2015-11-19 15:14:04] Redslash: 100% map completion!! [2015-11-19 15:16:23] Redslash: All dialogue. Ok it's out of my system I think [2015-11-19 15:16:43] Puwexil: all cats [2015-11-19 15:17:46] ElGranJerry: all cats race would be hype [2015-11-19 15:17:58] ElGranJerry: not even route it, just go in "blind" [2015-11-19 15:18:29] Puwexil: Alfador% (All Cats) [2015-11-19 15:19:57] ElGranJerry: Alfador best cat [2015-11-19 15:20:10] ElGranJerry: oh wait nvm, Catalack #1. Always used to bet on him for the races [2015-11-19 15:27:55 | Edited 15:28:17] Redslash: Ah sweet. I'm actually not too sure how the cats work. On new chapter game checks for food, or something [2015-11-19 15:29:04] Redslash: I got 11 cats once, but it was because I was just constantly getting food [2015-11-19 15:36:40] Redslash: Do we visit the Giant's Claw and Ozzie's Fort cats too? X) [2015-11-19 18:05:07 | Edited 18:05:27] Redslash: Hm, so the menu cursor noise is sound effect 0x00... so much for sound-glitch variety, I guess =P [2015-11-19 18:14:49] ElGranJerry: Yes. All cats!! [2015-11-19 18:16:56] Redslash: Uh-oh there's cats in the endings [2015-11-19 18:19:07] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-11-19 18:19:26 | Edited 18:19:42] DrunkenDraconian: perhaps all NU% ?? [2015-11-19 18:20:36] Redslash: Oh man. Gotta scratch the Kajar guy's back for sure [2015-11-19 18:21:17 | Edited 18:21:24] ElGranJerry: Kreygasm [2015-11-19 18:21:50] ElGranJerry: Tbh i'd love random races like that, no routing just go for it [2015-11-19 18:21:58] ElGranJerry: Would be amazing imo [2015-11-19 18:22:24] ElGranJerry: The game has so much to give it's amazing [2015-11-19 18:24:12] Redslash: Yeah absolutely. I'm realizing that some kind of bingo thing could actually work [2015-11-19 18:25:05] ElGranJerry: Would need some work to try and make all the possibilities 'equal' but it'd be amazing [2015-11-19 18:25:24] ElGranJerry: Posibilities meaning lines to complete [2015-11-19 18:28:24] Redslash: Mm, maybe. Even if 2 goals are widely unequal it wouldn't necessarily be obvious [2015-11-19 18:30:39] Redslash: It may be unfortunate, but perhaps bingo goals should all be attainable before Magus Castle or something [2015-11-19 18:31:02] Redslash: Or ok, that'd be "short bingo" option =) [2015-11-19 18:32:15] DrunkenDraconian: you could build cards for dif lengths. [2015-11-19 18:32:27] DrunkenDraconian: like center square is magus [2015-11-19 18:32:47] DrunkenDraconian: and ballance the outer challenges to be longer [2015-11-19 18:33:53] ElGranJerry: ^ yeah [2015-11-19 18:34:10] DrunkenDraconian: for longer ones you could have using tripple techs as one [2015-11-19 18:34:28] DrunkenDraconian: forcing you to pick parties [2015-11-19 18:36:43] ElGranJerry: I would be up to work on a bingo [2015-11-19 18:36:52] ElGranJerry: It'd be great [2015-11-19 18:37:45 | Edited 18:38:16] Redslash: I'm already thinking about "Fight [small enemy]", and how you'd have to weigh that against messing up your stats for Flea and Slash, ha ha [2015-11-19 18:40:32] Redslash: We shouldn't have too many "Fight X" goals, though I guess you could backtrack to accomplish them too. Dang~ [2015-11-19 18:55:09] Redslash: I never checked out Dessy's bingo planner on SRL, but I assume it's pretty helpful? [2015-11-19 18:56:57] Redslash: Idk how SRL bingo thing works behind the scenes but I know you can specify which goals are mutually exclusive (so they won't occur on the same line), etc [2015-11-19 19:17:16] ElGranJerry: Yeah. We need to look into it [2015-11-19 19:17:32] ElGranJerry: Its pretty complicates [2015-11-19 22:01:07] Redslash: I started a list~ I'll post it tomorrow maybe [2015-11-19 22:02:59 | Edited 22:08:27] Redslash: I was looking for something for Slurpcut to fail against... try it in the Ozzie fight ; ) [2015-11-19 22:17:59] ElGranJerry: Sweet.. send it to me via pm and I will help :) If we can make this happen it'd be amazing [2015-11-19 22:52:28] Redslash: Ok gotcha. I'll try not to spoil it too much X) [2015-11-19 22:56:31] Redslash: Mine aren't terribly creative tho (yet). Kinda just covering the "basics" :) [2015-11-19 22:59:06] Puwexil: I'm always a fan of slurpcut against lavos shell [2015-11-19 23:01:49] Redslash: Oh, I'm only covering up to Magus atm. For a "Short Card" [2015-11-19 23:01:59] Redslash: But yeah I love that too =) [2015-11-19 23:04:08] Redslash: I'm also trying to make each goal be a somewhat significant time investment. Nothing too quick/easy [2015-11-19 23:04:19] Redslash: But idk, might want to throw some of those in too [2015-11-19 23:09:20] Redslash: On the other end, I'm not too interested in "fight yakra/guardian/heckran" type of goal... but it might be neat to show off their counteratk then reset? Heh heh [2015-11-19 23:09:48] Redslash: (Aw fine I'll fight a boss) [2015-11-19 23:38:27 | Edited 23:40:39] Redslash: Imo, resets should be allowed, introduces an interesting level to planning. We'll have to write goals so it can't be abused too much (rather than just "Acquire out-of-the-way item", usually have some later/bigger purpose it's meant for) [2015-11-21 2:29:53] Redslash: Mardln test stream =0 Could it really be [2015-11-22 18:06:34] Redslash: Man, I wanna try hundo so bad. Thinking bout trying one tomorrow [2015-11-22 18:11:34] Redslash: I miss having bad pb to motivate me x) [2015-11-23 4:40:45] Gand988: new european CT runner [2015-11-23 4:40:46] Gand988: http://www.twitch.tv/avonis [2015-11-23 10:39:12] EssentiaFour (Essentia): I have this week off from racing, so I'm going to try to learn seed manipulation. Which seed is better, 244 or 245? And is there a video of the step route? [2015-11-23 14:08:29] EssentiaFour (Essentia): Oh whoops, just realized I posted this in the wrong channel. [2015-11-23 21:10:37] Redslash: Dang, I've been saying "Guardia Castle 1000AD" all this time... could just say "Marle's house" [2015-11-23 21:35:47] DrunkenDraconian: a bit of a blonde moment? [2015-11-24 0:01:18 | Edited 0:01:26] Redslash: (rofl ) [2015-11-27 2:56:20 | Edited 2:57:30] Redslash: Oh my, Avonis with the double pb yesterday (3:23, 3:14). Climbin' [2015-11-27 6:01:48] ElGranJerry: Nice [2015-11-27 7:45:51] Cronokirby: woah [2015-11-27 7:45:52] Cronokirby: nice [2015-11-27 7:46:09] Cronokirby: he's gonna beat me [2015-11-27 7:46:14] Cronokirby: not that that's too hard [2015-11-27 7:46:27] Cronokirby: he isn't in this group is he? [2015-11-27 7:58:36] ElGranJerry: Not really. He has been running for like a week [2015-11-28 0:35:18] Redslash: Heyo... anyone up for a race in 10 hours? [2015-11-28 0:35:58] Redslash: Cuz I could join. Avonis sounds interested too [2015-11-28 0:36:31] Gand988: i'm a bit rusty but i think i'm in [2015-11-28 0:42:25 | Edited 0:44:04] Redslash: Awesome. If we could start a bit earlier than 2pm EST, that'd be better for me [2015-11-28 11:07:32] Redslash: Race, anyone? =D [2015-11-28 13:45:29] Gand988: dreenhack speedrun http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhackspeedrun [2015-11-29 20:49:14] Redslash: Started some general movement notes http://pastebin.com/PemgJKeA [2015-11-29 22:09:56] Redslash: Dang just saw Avonis' 3:10:11 from earlier [2015-11-29 22:27:21] Redslash: 3:10 crew lives again (and is cut-off for Top 10) [2015-11-30 5:29:20] ElGranJerry: Saving at lavos cost him the 3:09. 3:18 core [2015-11-30 5:29:33] ElGranJerry: He is pretty good though. He will beat it soon [2015-11-30 6:22:08] eLmaGus: dude unless you are going for 2:57 or lower there is no reason not to save there : D [2015-11-30 6:22:15] eLmaGus: sometimes you wont even notice if you slightly messed up [2015-11-30 6:22:17] eLmaGus: and then you get owned [2015-11-30 6:24:47] ElGranJerry: Go big or go home [2015-11-30 6:25:09] ElGranJerry: :) [2015-11-30 12:34:08] Redslash: Haha, this is all one map? http://imgur.com/lk22csV [2015-11-30 12:34:43] Cronokirby: dude [2015-11-30 12:34:49] Cronokirby: oob? [2015-11-30 12:35:03] Redslash: I'm guessing the doors probably aren't loaded, heh.. [2015-11-30 12:35:17] Redslash: But this is cool for sure [2015-11-30 12:35:17] Cronokirby: if we could clip [2015-11-30 12:35:31] Cronokirby: we could skip the dome [2015-11-30 12:35:34] Cronokirby: and the race [2015-11-30 12:35:45] Cronokirby: but we couldn't [2015-11-30 12:35:50] Cronokirby: we run any% no oob [2015-11-30 12:36:54] Redslash: I bet you wouldn't for long, if this was a thing ; ) [2015-11-30 12:38:59] Redslash: Apparently when you FPW to Bangor Dome, you're just next door at Proto Dome [2015-11-30 12:40:04] Redslash: Not useful at all, but still curious if I could hit a transition in there, and if it's even loaded [2015-11-30 13:42:00] Redslash: Every other gate has its own map.. [2015-11-30 13:42:33] Redslash: We need another method of doing FPW [2015-11-30 13:42:58] Cronokirby: it's based on opening the menu before a warp [2015-11-30 13:42:59] Cronokirby: right? [2015-11-30 13:43:06] Cronokirby: with certain coordinates [2015-11-30 13:43:08] Cronokirby: theoretically [2015-11-30 13:43:16] Cronokirby: this could apply to things besides lavos [2015-11-30 13:43:23] Cronokirby: and could get us oob in other places [2015-11-30 13:43:34] Cronokirby: tas doesn't need it obv [2015-11-30 13:43:40] Cronokirby: but it could speed up any% [2015-11-30 13:47:07] Redslash: Well, with the 1 method we know now, there's nowhere to get to [2015-11-30 13:47:15] Cronokirby: really? [2015-11-30 13:47:28] Redslash: Imagine taking a FPW to the world map, and entering an area with the stored coordinates =) [2015-11-30 13:47:35] Cronokirby: no interesting coordinates we could have [2015-11-30 13:47:41] Redslash: Idk if the coords would store, lol [2015-11-30 13:47:48] Cronokirby: that's how fpw works [2015-11-30 13:48:00] Redslash: While on world map, I mean [2015-11-30 13:48:04] Cronokirby: nah [2015-11-30 13:48:14] Cronokirby: but gates put you in areas [2015-11-30 13:48:20] Cronokirby: we could use fpw to clip [2015-11-30 13:48:24] Cronokirby: and sequence break [2015-11-30 13:50:40] Redslash: only other possible use for the current method, is get Wallet early (Bangor Dome sealed door) [2015-11-30 13:51:03] Cronokirby: wallet? [2015-11-30 13:51:07] Redslash: Which I really want to do for Low Level, but doesn't seem doable [2015-11-30 13:51:08] Cronokirby: wait [2015-11-30 13:51:19] Cronokirby: what screen is greendream on [2015-11-30 13:51:26] Cronokirby: is it connected to something else [2015-11-30 13:51:30] Cronokirby: like on the same map [2015-11-30 13:51:32] Cronokirby: if so [2015-11-30 13:51:43] Cronokirby: like the outclove with the campfire [2015-11-30 13:51:47] Cronokirby: if we clipped oob [2015-11-30 13:51:50] Cronokirby: and walked into there [2015-11-30 13:51:59] Redslash: Well... let's see [2015-11-30 13:55:13] Redslash: Nope, separate little maps [2015-11-30 13:55:20] Cronokirby: damn [2015-11-30 13:56:18] Cronokirby: where did you find this grand pic btw? [2015-11-30 13:56:33] Redslash: I'm just in Temporal Flux [2015-11-30 13:56:49] Cronokirby: huh [2015-11-30 13:56:54] Cronokirby: lik [2015-11-30 13:57:00] Cronokirby: is there a true game map [2015-11-30 13:57:05] Redslash: from http://geigercount.net/crypt [2015-11-30 13:58:00] Redslash: TF is reading the ROM [2015-11-30 13:58:09] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-11-30 14:02:01] Redslash: Hmmmm http://imgur.com/6ihpPyZ [2015-11-30 14:02:19] Cronokirby: what about it [2015-11-30 14:02:33] Cronokirby: those are the coordinates we have to work with [2015-11-30 14:02:49] Cronokirby: ? [2015-11-30 14:04:04] Redslash: There's an OoB spot along your path, zipping left from the 1999 bucket, which seems to not be solid... [2015-11-30 14:04:50] Redslash: But this is probably incomplete [2015-11-30 14:05:07] Cronokirby: so [2015-11-30 14:05:18] Cronokirby: entering other maps? [2015-11-30 14:06:27] Redslash: Oh, if we want the Wallet, we have to get up very high before FPW'ing, which isn't possible using the LSS setup [2015-11-30 14:06:47] Redslash: We can't run that fast anyway, lol [2015-11-30 14:06:54] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-11-30 14:07:02] Cronokirby: sad fpw can't have other applications [2015-11-30 14:22:36] Redslash: Yeah, so we need a new method, which doesn't use gates~ [2015-11-30 21:54:30] Redslash: Maybe it won't happen. I remember SW and I were excited about the possibility that holding L-R-Start-Select for an extended time might store coordinates, like in SoM when they do a warp with it [2015-11-30 21:56:37 | Edited 21:58:27] Redslash: Holding soft reset does impact a handful of bytes, but from what I could tell at the time it was only graphical stuff... although now, I have less trust in the RAM documentation being complete~ [2015-12-01 18:12:32] Millnium: alright finally started learning the j any% route today, runs by january...2017™ [2015-12-01 21:57:54] Redslash: Yo, nice. GL on your journey [2015-12-01 21:59:14] Millnium: do your notes match your 2:29 or 2:34 [2015-12-01 22:12:50] Redslash: Oh, the 2:29. All up to date [2015-12-01 22:14:33] Millnium: i have a good # of questions about how the rng advances thatd id like to ask when you have time [2015-12-01 22:15:40] Redslash: Sure thing. Now is ok if you like [2015-12-01 22:17:05] Millnium: ok so, does hitting a frame range early or late mean you have to adjust the next fight to stay on the right rng? [2015-12-01 22:17:18] Millnium: if you know what i mean [2015-12-01 22:18:43] Redslash: I gotcha. In rare cases you can do that, but not really [2015-12-01 22:20:15] Redslash: They're basically "strings" that you snap to, and they're kinda far apart.. [2015-12-01 22:20:58] Redslash: If you mess up a fight and take longer, pretty often you'll remain on the right RNG [2015-12-01 22:21:14] Redslash: Really depends on the specific battle [2015-12-01 22:21:59] Millnium: ok. So in making sure im not missing out on some fundamental mechanic [2015-12-01 22:22:35] Millnium: i have the exact same roly rider west fight going on, but the east fight, chrono's last attack is always 21 [2015-12-01 22:22:53] Millnium: 3 baby manip battles into the route haha [2015-12-01 22:24:32] ElGranJerry: Gotta wait. Following the tutorial or the "new" strat? [2015-12-01 22:24:39] Redslash: Ah yeah. So, there are certain things that make the RNG jump forward an extra bit, and we do that in Rolyrider West.. [2015-12-01 22:26:07] Redslash: Oh, I think he's looking at the J run (so new)? [2015-12-01 22:26:25] Millnium: o, yeah jerry going for the most up do date j route [2015-12-01 22:26:35] Millnium: to* [2015-12-01 22:27:06] ElGranJerry: Kk. Sry about that. Red's explanation is good then [2015-12-01 22:27:45 | Edited 22:28:00] Redslash: If Lucca targets the same enemy that Crono kills (so that her attack is forced to redirect to the final enemy), that's jumping the value ahead a bit [2015-12-01 22:28:57] Millnium: ok thats most definitely a fundamental mechanic, will test that out [2015-12-01 22:28:59] Redslash: But if you miss that, you can do the "old" strat for East (i.e. wait and have Lucca attack first) [2015-12-01 22:31:04] Redslash: In the new strat, East also does that again (Crono targets the enemy Lucca kills) [2015-12-01 22:31:26] Millnium: ok, yes east does it [2015-12-01 22:31:38] Millnium: yeah thats where it is [2015-12-01 22:31:48] Millnium: the cursor goes pretty fast [2015-12-01 22:33:16] Millnium: nice got it [2015-12-01 22:34:52] Redslash: Right on. Bit complex there, it actually doesn't get used many other places [2015-12-01 22:35:27] Millnium: interesting, i like all cues/tricks used in the fights though [2015-12-01 22:36:54] Millnium: it's funny because the terrapin fight in the very beginning of smrpg got it's own manip a few months back. The only good cue is the arms. And the full manip is like 8 frames, 2 frames, 4 frames [2015-12-01 22:37:13] Millnium: not sure how that compares to the tough frame ranges in this [2015-12-01 22:43:48] Redslash: Hmm, idk... most of the small ranges in this are just "do it fast" X) [2015-12-01 22:44:34] Millnium: ha, fair enough [2015-12-01 22:44:59] Redslash: I haven't thought about the sizes much... there is an 8-framer when you first get to Prehistory, and on US the 8-frame Slash Midtonic [2015-12-01 22:45:43] Millnium: ima smrpg boy so everything i know is either 3 frames, 5 frames, or 7 frames [2015-12-01 22:46:36] Redslash: I was actually trying the Terrapin manip yesterday, and I sorta got it? It's p weird [2015-12-01 22:47:09] Millnium: ct requires accurate d pad inputs [2015-12-01 22:47:13] Millnium: something im not great at [2015-12-01 22:49:54] Redslash: Lol... idk man I'm struggling with Mario. I think it's the general timing of things being all different [2015-12-01 22:50:52] Millnium: in mario, you have time to prepare to hit your offensive timings [2015-12-01 22:51:33] Millnium: definitely different, still not easy [2015-12-01 22:53:26] Redslash: Ah yeah, I'm talking menus, running around... gonna take a good while to get accustomed [2015-12-01 22:53:56] Millnium: o, yeah running away is pretty unnatural [2015-12-01 22:54:23] Millnium: lot of walls you get stuck on, but also a lot of walls you will kindve wrap around. It's srange [2015-12-01 22:54:46] Millnium: menus are very smooth, ive heard a lot of runners who play other rpg's make that comment as well [2015-12-01 22:55:31] Millnium: btw if you wanna keep smrpg talk out of here you can pm me on irc any time [2015-12-01 23:04:43] Redslash: Sounds good, thanks man [2015-12-01 23:05:42] Millnium: yeah thank you too [2015-12-03 2:32:49] Redslash: So, "Movement Essentials" on the Strategies page, would someone maybe like to proofread? I'm sure more could be added too [2015-12-03 2:33:59 | Edited 2:35:14] Redslash: Combining this and the RNG stuff might make a cool tutorial [series] [2015-12-03 2:44:15] eLmaGus: is it the same you posted in the pastebin or did you add stuff? [2015-12-03 2:44:28] eLmaGus: what i read looked good to me [2015-12-03 2:44:35] Redslash: I added/revised [2015-12-03 2:45:08] Redslash: Nice [2015-12-03 3:08:16] Redslash: Tonic invited me to come on RPG Speed Watch and talk over a Chrono Trigger record, on the 13th or 27th this month... I can bring 2 friends [2015-12-03 3:09:52 | Edited 3:13:50] Redslash: Sounds like a cool project, it'd def be cool to discuss some history and how the route and knowledge developed [2015-12-03 3:11:39] Redslash: Idk if he had LSS or No LSS in mind specifically but I kinda assume either/or [2015-12-03 6:11:13] ElGranJerry: Sounds cool, if you want/need me I am up for it if you choose the 13th. Wont be around on the 27th [2015-12-03 11:25:18] Redslash: Awesome man. I will try to get the 13th [2015-12-03 11:30:02] Redslash: In other news, I think Death Peak Entrance proves that map data doesn't all get loaded http://imgur.com/nL6LZ6G (found the missing piece...) [2015-12-03 11:37:00] ElGranJerry: Ah. Interesting [2015-12-07 7:03:32] Gand988: avonis took another position in the leaderboard... be careful guys xD [2015-12-07 7:57:28] ElGranJerry: Sub 3 hype [2015-12-07 7:57:37] Cronokirby: dude is going hard [2015-12-07 7:57:49] Cronokirby: I suggested practicing [2015-12-07 7:57:54] Cronokirby: german redslash [2015-12-07 7:58:46] ElGranJerry: He does practice. it is extremely noticable [2015-12-07 7:58:52] ElGranJerry: Pretty cool [2015-12-07 8:00:01] Cronokirby: yep [2015-12-07 8:00:10] Cronokirby: he's getting more consistent [2015-12-07 8:00:28] Cronokirby: hardest thing about ct is not getting burnt out from failed runs [2015-12-07 8:00:38] Cronokirby: every failed run helps you make less mistakes in the end [2015-12-07 12:03:19] eLmaGus: yo red if you need somebody for the podcast on tonics channel for the JP run, i should be available even though scrubathon is going on [2015-12-07 12:06:10] ElGranJerry: PogChamp [2015-12-07 14:46:22] Redslash: Yo Kreyyy, just saw this. Might be pretty cool B) [2015-12-09 10:24:26] DrunkenDraconian: Anyone interested in a revive Crono race over the holidays? [2015-12-09 10:34:04] Cronokirby: dev ending%? [2015-12-09 10:34:21] Cronokirby: we might as well do ending 1% [2015-12-09 10:34:58] ElGranJerry: Revive Crono ends when Marle hugs Crono [2015-12-09 10:35:06] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-12-09 10:35:14] Cronokirby: but we might as well do ending 1 [2015-12-09 10:35:18] Cronokirby: and finish the game [2015-12-09 10:35:20] ElGranJerry: Lucca hug = DQ [2015-12-09 10:36:00] ElGranJerry: I won't be racing so I am not discussing it :) [2015-12-09 10:36:04] ElGranJerry: all up to the racers [2015-12-09 10:36:12] Cronokirby: well [2015-12-09 10:36:28] Cronokirby: how much extra time would it take to finish the game from there? [2015-12-09 10:36:43] DrunkenDraconian: not sure [2015-12-09 10:36:44] Cronokirby: 40 mins max? [2015-12-09 10:36:51] DrunkenDraconian: i just know the spawns will be tough [2015-12-09 10:36:59] Cronokirby: like 25 for lavos (with shell) [2015-12-09 10:37:05] Cronokirby: and 15 for green dream [2015-12-09 10:37:19] ElGranJerry: you will be underleveled for spawns for sure [2015-12-09 10:37:25] Cronokirby: I mean after the revival [2015-12-09 10:37:35] ElGranJerry: it depends what level you are at [2015-12-09 10:37:36] Cronokirby: so difference between ending 1% and revival [2015-12-09 10:37:37] ElGranJerry: lol [2015-12-09 10:37:59] Cronokirby: we can rng our way through the rest of the game [2015-12-09 10:38:08] Cronokirby: why not the spawns [2015-12-09 10:38:43] DrunkenDraconian: I don't want to discourage you routing, but My intentions were to stop the timer at the hug [2015-12-09 10:39:08] Cronokirby: imo we might as well finish the game at that point [2015-12-09 10:39:25] Cronokirby: we're so close [2015-12-09 10:40:52] Redslash: Falconhit Ret then crash epoch, if you want =) [2015-12-09 10:40:58] Cronokirby: yep [2015-12-09 10:41:08] Cronokirby: we might as well race to the ending [2015-12-09 10:41:10] Cronokirby: :P [2015-12-09 10:41:13] Cronokirby: wait [2015-12-09 10:41:18] Cronokirby: crashing skips the shell? [2015-12-09 10:41:19] ElGranJerry: that's not the point, the point is to end at the hug, it's arbitrary lol [2015-12-09 10:41:26] Cronokirby: yeah [2015-12-09 10:41:27] ElGranJerry: but oh well [2015-12-09 10:41:32] DrunkenDraconian: Crono is Jesus [2015-12-09 10:41:42] DrunkenDraconian: Marle...Mary [2015-12-09 10:41:43] Redslash: ^ [2015-12-09 10:41:45] Cronokirby: but I feel that ending 1% would make for a more interesting race [2015-12-09 10:41:50] Cronokirby: thanks for the compliment [2015-12-09 10:41:53] Cronokirby: ;) [2015-12-09 10:42:05] DrunkenDraconian: boss rush and e glitch isn't interesting to me [2015-12-09 10:42:25] Cronokirby: can't get more subjective than that [2015-12-09 10:42:51] Redslash: I'd be down for hug race, DD [2015-12-09 10:42:57] Cronokirby: would still make for an interesting cat [2015-12-09 10:43:10] Cronokirby: most of the interesting new stuff would be before hug [2015-12-09 10:43:29] DrunkenDraconian: agreed [2015-12-09 10:44:43] DrunkenDraconian: sweet [2015-12-09 10:45:02] Cronokirby: we need a crash the game% [2015-12-09 10:45:03] Cronokirby: race [2015-12-09 10:45:39] DrunkenDraconian: I'm going to do a dry run soon and see where the crunch points are. [2015-12-09 10:45:56] Cronokirby: are you gonna try and route the rng? [2015-12-09 10:45:57] DrunkenDraconian: is that fadeout marle? [2015-12-09 10:46:03] Cronokirby: crash [2015-12-09 10:46:06] Cronokirby: not softlock [2015-12-09 10:46:10] Cronokirby: that was a joke [2015-12-09 10:46:11] DrunkenDraconian: oh [2015-12-09 10:46:16] Cronokirby: but I was thinking of the tas [2015-12-09 10:46:18] DrunkenDraconian: maybe [2015-12-09 10:46:23] Cronokirby: with that robot room [2015-12-09 10:46:28] Cronokirby: prob not doable in rta [2015-12-09 10:46:28] Redslash: Emu only cuz console you can cheat ; ) [2015-12-09 10:46:58] Cronokirby: pour soda onto console [2015-12-09 10:47:00] Cronokirby: insta crash [2015-12-09 10:47:38] DrunkenDraconian: I've had a few LSS crashes, but it was the console not the programming [2015-12-09 19:18:36] Redslash: Added up Inichi's realtime even tho segmented... 3:51, pretty awesome [2015-12-09 19:19:36 | Edited 19:20:34] Redslash: And then I put gametime on the board (final reading, after Shell), what do you guys think? [2015-12-09 22:02:33] Obdajr: I really like the idea of an ending 1 run [2015-12-09 22:02:43] Obdajr: beyond time% [2015-12-09 22:03:25] Obdajr: shells aren't too hard, we do em in all endings pretty much right out of the gate [2015-12-09 22:03:49] Obdajr: crash the epoch and glitch lavos [2015-12-09 22:04:21] Obdajr: spawns* [2015-12-09 22:04:45] Redslash: We also had greendream for spawns.. maybe loot SD but not fight Ret? [2015-12-09 22:05:05] Obdajr: you would need greendream for lavos anyways [2015-12-09 22:05:16] Obdajr: no? [2015-12-09 22:05:56] Redslash: Oh yeah yeah, if you're continuing after hug [2015-12-09 22:06:15] Obdajr: yeah, im talkin beyond time run [2015-12-09 22:06:34] Redslash: And maybe Ret before OP would still be best (Falconhit) [2015-12-09 22:06:50] Obdajr: yeah very likely [2015-12-09 22:07:26] Obdajr: ret isn't the easiest without crono and no fated hour quests [2015-12-09 22:08:21] Obdajr: your strongest physical attacks would be like, Kaiser arm robo tackle and cat attack / rock throw? [2015-12-09 22:11:30] Obdajr: you could theoretically get leap slash on this route, that might be interesting [2015-12-09 22:13:06] Redslash: Man, we skipped Shades? [2015-12-09 22:13:25] Obdajr: in AE yes [2015-12-09 22:13:31] Obdajr: cause you're crazy [2015-12-09 22:13:41] Obdajr: but it works [2015-12-09 22:14:15] Redslash: Dang [2015-12-09 22:16:45] Redslash: I don't remember why I thought it was a good idea I must've just tried it [2015-12-09 22:16:56] Obdajr: I distinctly remember practicing the ridiculously low level lavos fight [2015-12-09 22:17:13] Obdajr: and won like... 70% of the time [2015-12-09 22:18:42] Redslash: X) Yeah, it's hard... [2015-12-09 22:19:32] Redslash: So I watched Inichi's Lavos today, and I gotta say, it's clearly scripted [2015-12-09 22:20:42] Redslash: Like, I'd seen it before, but watching it now... [2015-12-09 22:23:18] Obdajr: frog's dual techs all seem to suck... [2015-12-09 22:24:33] Redslash: (Check out 1:55-2:20 specifically, of part 33) [2015-12-09 22:30:06] Redslash: That's when I just knew. Both these fights are tight tho, he knew exactly what he was doing [2015-12-09 22:45:51] Redslash: Btw Obda, when you routed out Any% with glitches, did Bankai help with that, or did he just write up the doc? [2015-12-09 22:46:37] Redslash: I remember watching a couple of those streams. I didn't even know what was going on, lol =) [2015-12-09 22:47:13] Obdajr: umm I mostly got help from ottavino, bankai must have did the write up [2015-12-09 22:47:23] Obdajr: not sure though [2015-12-09 22:49:43] Redslash: Oh wow [2015-12-09 22:50:49] Redslash: I didn't know Otta was on the scene at that time, I first talked to him a year later =3 [2015-12-09 23:02:13] Redslash: Lately I've just been going back through the history a little bit. There's stuff before Inichi for sure, but he's a great place to start. Impressive how much 2007 resembles today [2015-12-09 23:03:20] Redslash: before Magus at least [2015-12-09 23:06:22] Redslash: Also his BS4 RSeries. We're so reckless now [2015-12-09 23:21:18] Obdajr: yeah otta was the one when I first started playing who was like "are you doing the glitches?" me- what glitches? [2015-12-09 23:23:10] Ottavino: :) [2015-12-09 23:28:27] Obdajr: good times [2015-12-09 23:51:23] Redslash: ^_^ [2015-12-10 0:48:54] Redslash: Ha ha, btw, I have another theory about the Future Skip rumor ("16 save-anywheres")... [2015-12-10 0:49:26 | Edited 0:49:47] Redslash: Maybe that info was originally about a skip IN the Future... =PPP [2015-12-10 12:33:08] Redslash: My gosh, if only I'd applied Otta's EoT S/A find to J sooner [2015-12-10 12:34:17] Redslash: If party doesn't group up on 600 (because missed the 3-in-4), you actually get to say No on 1999 and try again [2015-12-10 18:55:46] Redslash: I got Shell S/A, but.. it's pretty much just as hard as LSS http://goo.gl/rtMZ7K [2015-12-10 18:56:19] Redslash: (includes bonus softlock using menu glitch) [2015-12-13 18:37:31] SnesWarrior: You guys did an excellent job, that was really awesome [2015-12-13 18:38:53] ElGranJerry: Thanks SW <3 Aside from me speaking over Red a few times it was really good [2015-12-13 18:40:43] Redslash: I felt like I was talking too much lol X) [2015-12-13 18:42:19] Redslash: Tonic really did well asking questions and keeping things on track, that was excellent =) [2015-12-13 18:44:20 | Edited 18:44:40] Redslash: Going in, I was determined to use the opportunity to give as much credit as I could to everybody who found tricks and stuff. Did my best~! [2015-12-13 18:44:31] ElGranJerry: not too much. You said what had to be said :) [2015-12-13 18:44:49] ElGranJerry: It was good [2015-12-13 18:44:54] SnesWarrior: History was on-point, it was a great watch [2015-12-13 18:45:52] Redslash: Thank you so much for co-commentary Jerry. That was an immense help bro =) [2015-12-13 18:46:44] Redslash: Thanks SW glad you liked it man. I freakin researched for it =0 [2015-12-13 18:48:03] ElGranJerry: np bro :) Glad to be of help [2015-12-13 18:49:24] Redslash: Ahh I forgot to plug the races. That's ok. [2015-12-13 18:51:31] Redslash: Boy, that was fun tho. Glad we did it. [2015-12-13 19:25:49] ElGranJerry: yup :) [2015-12-17 17:22:01] Redslash: Gonna add Avonis~ [2015-12-17 17:23:01] eLmaGus: nice finally somebody i can talk german with [2015-12-17 17:24:22] *** Redslash added avonis *** [2015-12-17 17:24:39] Redslash: Welcome =) [2015-12-17 17:25:00] avonis: greetings [2015-12-17 18:06:46] ElGranJerry: Sup [2015-12-17 18:06:56] ElGranJerry: Welcome [2015-12-17 18:07:02] avonis: cant sleep thats up :< [2015-12-17 18:07:10] avonis: thx [2015-12-17 18:07:57] avonis: *su [2015-12-17 18:08:01] avonis: p [2015-12-17 18:30:56] avonis: g2g sleep now cya guys [2015-12-18 12:58:29] avonis: redslash are you up? [2015-12-21 16:34:54] Gand988: :O avo is here too [2015-12-22 22:20:32] Redslash: Ok so, I did sort of a theory TAS for 100%, and got barely sub-4:30 [2015-12-22 22:20:45] Redslash: Pretty safe to say it won't happen in RTA [2015-12-22 22:22:40] Redslash: It's like I've been telling people, the record is actually good [2015-12-23 0:28:18] Cronokirby: unlike any% [2015-12-23 0:28:28] Cronokirby: :P [2015-12-23 0:39:30] Redslash: Oh ho [2015-12-23 0:43:53] Cronokirby: %wise [2015-12-23 0:43:57] Cronokirby: any% is closer [2015-12-23 0:46:21] Redslash: I guess, yeah [2015-12-23 0:48:35] Redslash: But I also consider error rate will steadily increase into the 4th and 5th hours, so it's maybe not linear~ [2015-12-23 0:48:49] Redslash: For me, anyway [2015-12-23 0:49:02] Cronokirby: iirc there are more tricks in 100% [2015-12-23 0:49:24] Cronokirby: and those creat timeloss much much easier [2015-12-23 0:52:07] Redslash: Oh yeah, for sure. Dropping fades in Ozzie's Fort will be fun [2015-12-23 0:54:29] Redslash: Oh. By the way, plan is to try a run tomorrow [2015-12-23 0:55:16] Redslash: (or today, in about 11 hours) [2015-12-23 0:57:12] Redslash: Probably be a disaster etc [2015-12-23 1:51:09] Cronokirby: inb4 wr [2015-12-23 1:51:13] Cronokirby: I mean [2015-12-23 1:51:22] Cronokirby: you can probably be ahead at bacon lettuce tomato [2015-12-23 1:52:01] Cronokirby: (black tyranno) [2015-12-23 1:52:14] Cronokirby: since it's stuff you should already know [2015-12-23 1:59:35] Redslash: I will be happy if it's sub-5 ; ) [2015-12-23 2:00:26] Cronokirby: you're not a big fan of longer runs rigt? [2015-12-23 2:05:47] Redslash: Well, I'm probably more up to it now [2015-12-23 2:16:50] avonis: good morning [2015-12-23 2:19:24] Redslash: Yo good morning! And bedtime for me X) [2015-12-23 2:21:32] avonis: haha good night [2015-12-23 16:24:16] Obdajr: (Y) [2015-12-23 16:24:39] avonis: hi obda [2015-12-23 16:24:55] avonis: redslash is doing hundo% [2015-12-23 16:25:51] Obdajr: right now> [2015-12-23 16:25:53] Obdajr: ?* [2015-12-23 16:25:57] avonis: yes [2015-12-23 17:45:26 | Edited 17:45:32] Redslash: That sure was a run. 4:48 [2015-12-23 18:24:52] Obdajr: very nice! congrats [2015-12-23 18:25:29] Puwexil: (yes) [2015-12-23 18:28:36] ElGranJerry: Congrats [2015-12-23 20:43:14] Redslash: Ah yo thank you guys X) [2015-12-23 20:49:43] Redslash: 2 min redoing SoS, 2 min Teramutant, a few extra battles... Only 2 ele fights~ [2015-12-23 20:50:51] Redslash: 30 sec reset to Golemtwins bec I Falcon'd too fast, tho might've been able to mash with Lucca =/ [2015-12-23 20:52:23] Redslash: And I goofed Ozzie's Fort (kept fading conveyor room but I got it 1st try, lmao) [2015-12-23 20:54:35] Redslash: I used Kiss twice on BT, but still 2-rounded..... [2015-12-23 20:56:12] Puwexil: got a goal time yet? [2015-12-23 21:27:38] Redslash: Ah, going for a 4:39 =) [2015-12-23 21:28:00] Redslash: And I think it is gonna be tough [2015-12-23 21:28:57 | Edited 21:29:04] Puwexil: shouldn't be - I think a lot of time can come off my run from cleaner movement [2015-12-23 21:31:05] Puwexil: if you're getting sub-1:50 magus's, then sub 4:40 should be pretty easy even with bad omen RNG [2015-12-23 21:34:04] eLmaGus: i vote for 4:35 [2015-12-23 21:34:09] eLmaGus: and grat on first run [2015-12-23 21:39:27] Redslash: I feel 4:35 is equivalent to 2:54 Any% [2015-12-23 21:39:40] Redslash: Doable but.. yeah.. [2015-12-23 21:40:30] Puwexil: yeah, I'd expect sub-4:35 to need 0 elevator battles and near-perfect eyes [2015-12-23 21:41:21] Redslash: Oh jeez, the eyes. I didn't realize how bad they could be til facing them in a run [2015-12-23 21:41:50] Puwexil: they trolled me pretty hard in my PB [2015-12-23 21:43:26] Redslash: They were ok to me but like, I didn't have the appreciation before [2015-12-23 21:43:58] Puwexil: it's nice that 100% doesn't really have that much more unmanipulatable RNG than any%, but being at the the end of a ~5 hr run is pretty awful [2015-12-23 21:46:32] Redslash: Maybe I'll collect some frame data and see if I find anything. But they could be like the guards, no pattern... [2015-12-23 21:48:16] Puwexil: I remember asking you when I was working on 100%, and you saying it was like the wondershot - based on IGT value and not realistically manipulatable even with a reset in giga mutant's room [2015-12-23 22:15:08] Redslash: Hmm, I didn't check the eyes, I was lookin at the elevators tho [2015-12-23 22:21:08] Redslash: Oh, that reminds me though! We can probably manip Wondershot for 2nd Rubble in Giant's Claw~ [2015-12-23 22:37:07] Redslash: I guess 1-shot is 70% anyway [2015-12-24 5:18:44] eLmaGus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFbMaxtYTXo&feature=youtu.be&a , enjoy [2015-12-24 10:59:11] Redslash: Amazing. Probably other NPCs you can get stuck in [2015-12-24 12:25:44] Cronokirby: oob hype [2015-12-25 21:53:23] SnesWarrior: Top-right most frog outside of Frog's house is one. Doesn't have a battle trigger attached to him but you can still push him around [2015-12-26 11:07:01] Redslash: Wow, didn't know about him [2015-12-26 11:10:05] Redslash: I also just found on Lavos shell, the right bit of Guardian has 1hp (left bit has 200, as normal) [2015-12-26 11:11:18] Redslash: And its enemy ID is... DD... x) [2015-12-26 11:16:19] avonis: stop talking pb pace right here :P [2015-12-26 11:19:38] Redslash: Oh dang, on my way [2015-12-26 11:44:46] ElGranJerry: Lol [2015-12-26 18:31:23] Redslash: I'm gonna pick up 1 less speedtab (Lucca = Frog = 11), and elixir glitch MM/Zeal on BS1~ [2015-12-26 18:32:45] Redslash: I give Magus the Prismspecs and dequip his armor to compensate... Darkmist 1-shots DTank shell form [2015-12-26 18:36:34] Redslash: If Crono's HP is low enough, he can replace Magus during MM (Magus' dialogue costs 7 seconds) [2015-12-26 18:38:28] Redslash: I'm hoping Lucca can keep GD for Lavos elixirs. Not sure yet [2015-12-27 9:27:58 | Removed 9:32:54] ElGranJerry: This message has been removed. [2015-12-27 9:33:47] ElGranJerry: Snes superstars marathon looks nice, wanna submit a race for it? [2015-12-27 9:39:46] eLmaGus: All Endings Race (y) [2015-12-27 13:09:02] Obdajr: bwah haha [2015-12-27 19:46:39] Redslash: Wondershot strats for the Shell, to replace some Darkbombs... looks promising so far =0 [2015-12-27 19:55:50] Redslash: I had the wrong ranges before. Actually 0 (.1x), 1-2 (.5x), 3-6 (1x), 7-8 (2x), and 9 (3x) [2015-12-27 19:58:38] Redslash: So Lucca's gonna shoot Zeal's face for elixir glitch, and also Mammon Machine so that the 2 shots are "5 seconds apart" (i.e. 3&8, 4&9, 5&0, 6&1, etc... this lets you pinpoint the gametime second~!) [2015-12-28 1:40:27] avonis: no math pls [2015-12-28 8:11:27] ElGranJerry: Yo avonis. I accepted your run on sr.com but next time start the timer from the title screen not from wait [2015-12-28 8:11:44] avonis: ok [2015-12-28 8:11:47] ElGranJerry: Not a big deal though, its the standard [2015-12-28 8:12:08] ElGranJerry: Its like 2s ish lol [2015-12-29 16:54:57] Redslash: Yakra XIII salt.... [2015-12-29 17:47:29] *** DrunkenDraconian added Drunken Draconian *** [2015-12-29 17:49:59] Drunken Draconian: switching over my skype account [2015-12-29 17:50:08] Drunken Draconian: add me if you want [2015-12-30 4:54:31] avonis: hey jerry i heard about a ct race on a marathon something like that. where can i submit? [2015-12-30 4:57:17] eLmaGus: https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/snes_speedrun_marathon__march_12th__20th.html for info [2015-12-30 4:57:26] avonis: thx elmagus [2015-12-30 7:08:52] ElGranJerry: Too late here lol. Just submit and put you want in the ct race. I sbmitted yesterday for red and myself [2015-12-30 7:47:29] avonis: alright [2016-01-01 1:48:24] Gand988: happy new year o/ [2016-01-01 1:48:46] avonis: happy new year [2016-01-01 1:48:53] Cronokirby: happy new year [2016-01-01 2:19:48] Redslash: Happy new year, guys =) [2016-01-01 2:21:15] Redslash: Spent yesterday practicing and found some weird stuff, lol... [2016-01-01 2:21:22] Cronokirby: oh [2016-01-01 2:21:50] avonis: weird stuff is always good [2016-01-01 2:24:42] Redslash: Something messes up Yakra13, seems to be which room you swap Ayla in =P [2016-01-01 2:28:10] Redslash: I'll look at it more tomorrow... Also found the Bekkler game is a set sequence of 80 moves (starts on frame you enter the room). Only 12% chance of right arm, I'm gonna buffer that X) [2016-01-01 14:40:09] Redslash: Or I think it's bec I healed Ayla in the room bef Yakra13? Something's not right [2016-01-01 14:41:48] ElGranJerry: You can heal there, I always do [2016-01-01 14:42:01] ElGranJerry: Maybe your hp was too high after it [2016-01-01 14:57:59] ElGranJerry: I cant see the vods atm though. So idk what the issue was [2016-01-01 14:58:27] Redslash: Well, I have 2 states that look identical... 1 kills and the other doesn't X) [2016-01-01 14:59:02] Redslash: Oh, I didn't have trouble with this in a run, but Obda did, a few weeks back... [2016-01-01 15:00:37] ElGranJerry: Ah kk. I had the same issue until i was told ayla's hp range [2016-01-01 15:00:50] ElGranJerry: Its in the route iirc [2016-01-01 15:02:41] Redslash: Also confirmed Magus speed 12 or 13 doesn't matter. So it's pretty mysterious why it fails (all stats/equipment identical) [2016-01-01 15:32:52] Redslash: I'll just post the state https://goo.gl/wJr4zt [2016-01-01 15:34:07] Redslash: If I exit the menu and fight Yakra, I cannot target him with Elixir. But if I exit the menu, then open and exit menu again, then fight Yakra, I CAN target him... [2016-01-01 15:40:31] Ottavino: my guess: when you exit the menu, you just equipped a equipment (7e0027 is -1 and elixir glitch doesn't work), if you open and exit menu again, 7e0027 is 0 and it works [2016-01-01 15:55:25] Redslash: Wow! Thanks Otta, that's gotta be it. So, messing with equipment is bad, healing is ok [2016-01-01 15:59:37] Redslash: I need to watch this value more, it's interesting. The Battlespeed and Exchange menus set it to 4D, but that's fine [2016-01-02 13:20:34] Redslash: For eyeballs, if they start with only left-eye open (25%), you should reload the room. Very bad patterns. [2016-01-02 14:27:34 | Edited 14:29:22] Redslash: Got some setups, I'll pastebin the details... Basically, enter room with Up buffered, press Pause to check eyes, if one eye is open just unpause to leave. If it was left-eye, reenter Walking Right; if right-eye, reenter Running Up... Do this until you they're both open or both closed (can take 2, or in one case 3 tries). Exception: if two right-eyes in a row, treat the 2nd as "left" (Walk Right) [2016-01-02 14:49:41 | Edited 14:50:25] Redslash: For both open, they usually both close pretty fast. But if one closes on their next "blink" (even if it's left), get outta there [2016-01-02 15:40:23] Redslash: Oh no... you have 1/4 second to cross when they blink (but you have to predict it)... [2016-01-02 18:27:35] Redslash: Welp~ http://pastebin.com/GA36JxMJ [2016-01-03 3:39:51] eLmaGus: alright kids, nice work we are going to write a test about this in 5 hours, it will be counting towards your final grade Kappa [2016-01-03 3:39:59] eLmaGus: but hot damn son thats a lot of stuff [2016-01-03 3:40:13] eLmaGus: just for some eyeballs [2016-01-03 9:48:02] Redslash: Tfw you sleep through the test [2016-01-03 9:49:27] Redslash: Thanks dude X) I think I can improve it actually [2016-01-03 20:55:46] Redslash: Oh noooo! You can push the eyeballs to speed up their cycle... [2016-01-03 21:51:35] Redslash: Thinkin about 1v1 Lavos RTA [2016-01-06 7:36:02] Gand988: guy's my Skype is going crazy, this night it send a private message to some people. [2016-01-06 7:36:13] Gand988: if you have a message from me with a link don't click on it [2016-01-06 7:36:33] avonis: you should check your pc with anti spy something like that [2016-01-06 7:37:28] Gand988: the pc was off [2016-01-06 7:37:46] avonis: change or pw [2016-01-06 7:37:56] Gand988: Skype send the message at 2am xD btw be careful [2016-01-06 7:39:55] avonis: i mean change your pw [2016-01-06 7:40:23] Gand988: yes, now i scan the pc and change the psw.. i update Skype too. [2016-01-06 16:28:02] Redslash: I fought Magus... lmao [2016-01-06 16:36:36] Redslash: We Boogied tho [2016-01-06 16:53:05] eLmaGus: nice [2016-01-06 16:53:05] eLmaGus: one [2016-01-13 16:48:15] Redslash: Has this happened before? Sunstone thing... http://www.twitch.tv/redslash/v/35309627 [2016-01-13 16:52:22] ElGranJerry: Ouch. Hadnt seen it before [2016-01-13 16:57:16] Redslash: I mean, I should've had Down buffered once the text appeared, but yeah, good stuff [2016-01-13 17:03:35] Redslash: I also highlighted Boogie with Magus, lol... will I ever see Black Omen again [2016-01-13 17:15:09] eLmaGus: niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice [2016-01-13 17:15:33] eLmaGus: good way to softlock [2016-01-13 17:16:05] eLmaGus: i am really surprised that is possible [2016-01-13 17:16:09] eLmaGus: you would think they tested that [2016-01-13 17:17:22] ElGranJerry: ^ [2016-01-13 17:20:03] eLmaGus: but this is pretty much the same as getting pushed by NPCs if you wiggle next to them [2016-01-13 17:20:05] eLmaGus: very interesting [2016-01-15 17:46:39] Redslash: a really speed run... over pb by 24 seconds [2016-01-15 17:47:33] Redslash: (another 4:48) at least it finished, rofl [2016-01-15 20:16:10] ElGranJerry: So close [2016-01-15 20:24:59] Redslash: Yeah... sum of bests is 4:39 now, hah [2016-01-15 20:25:25] Redslash: Not making any big errors for that long, dude it's tough [2016-01-15 20:27:25] Redslash: I got the good Wondershot values on Retinite too, dang [2016-01-15 20:28:11] Redslash: But then I messed up eyeballs =/ The biggest issue for me is still Golemtwins really.. [2016-01-15 20:33:58] Puwexil: yeah, I think the 2nd half of the ocean palace is probably the hardest part of the 100% run that's not also in any% [2016-01-15 21:42:13] Redslash: Safer twins might be nice... [2016-01-15 21:44:00] Redslash: Cuz I'm pretty sure "atb slip" can be a problem there [2016-01-15 21:45:06] ElGranJerry: There is a backup. Twins are pretty ez [2016-01-15 21:45:14] ElGranJerry: Idk if its on the route [2016-01-15 21:56:11] Redslash: Son of a... so just an extra Fire2? [2016-01-15 22:00:30] Puwexil: I just wait for lucca's ATB to fill before queueing FH's [2016-01-15 22:00:40] Puwexil: never have trouble with the twins [2016-01-15 22:03:19] ElGranJerry: Gotta add an extra hypno wave iirc. I can look for it tomorrow [2016-01-15 22:03:45] ElGranJerry: Been a while since ive done 100% stuff [2016-01-15 22:13:32] Redslash: Yeah... accidentally open menu too soon for Falcon tho and GG [2016-01-15 22:14:14] Redslash: Seems like I had the right idea, should've just done Falcon+Fire2 after emergency Lapis http://www.twitch.tv/redslash/v/35635617?t=2h48m10s [2016-01-15 22:14:52] Redslash: would've been golden [2016-01-15 22:15:34] Redslash: But ofc then I got encounter before Yakra13 and lost minutes there [2016-01-15 22:17:51] Redslash: At least I saved after the 1st Chancellor dialogue (scene from Any%) [2016-01-15 22:22:28] Redslash: After MB, I timed going to 12000BC to get S-A, before going Retinite then Yakra13. Costs ~25sec, might be nice safety for marathon, idk... [2016-01-15 22:24:08] Redslash: Oh yeah!!! what the heck, and I was 400G short for the clone, had to fight Gato 6 times lmao [2016-01-15 22:29:08] Redslash: Was confused cuz I was sure I had 39K after Blackbird, but forgot I then bought 11 Fulltonics. I'll make sure to have 32K I guess [2016-01-16 12:21:53 | Removed 12:22:01] Nihil922: This message has been removed. [2016-01-16 12:22:06] Nihil922: sorry, wrong chat :P [2016-01-16 12:23:12] Redslash: Yo grats though! =) [2016-01-16 12:23:26] Nihil922: thanks dude [2016-01-16 12:23:30] avonis: what game? [2016-01-16 12:23:48] avonis: oh its you Nihil :D [2016-01-16 12:23:55] avonis: gz i think it was Breath of Fire? [2016-01-16 12:24:21] Nihil922: yea, it was, only beat the record by 11 seconds though, so its easily improvable [2016-01-16 12:45:50] ElGranJerry: Congrats :D [2016-01-16 12:48:29] Nihil922: gracias senor [2016-01-16 18:42:52] Redslash: Rofl, 1st playthru by "SaiyanKirby" [2016-01-16 23:33:27] Cronokirby: wait [2016-01-16 23:33:34] Cronokirby: :P [2016-01-17 11:46:58] Gand988: derusting the game with savestate [2016-01-17 11:47:23] Gand988: i've softlock the emulator saving during a screen transition  [2016-01-17 11:47:37] Gand988: a nice way to comeback in a game xD [2016-01-17 11:47:51] Cronokirby: don't use snes9x [2016-01-17 11:49:54] ElGranJerry: It's not 9x. Its emulator problem [2016-01-17 11:49:59] ElGranJerry: Has happened on vc too [2016-01-17 11:50:12] Gand988: was not a big deal  [2016-01-17 11:50:13] Cronokirby: does it happen on bsnes? [2016-01-17 11:50:28] Gand988: i think it's happen only with savestates [2016-01-17 11:50:42 | Edited 11:50:52] Gand988: like the "reverse bird skip skip pixel perfect wtf" [2016-01-17 11:51:02] ElGranJerry: Not that I know of [2016-01-17 11:51:17] Gand988: btw hi o/ [2016-01-17 11:51:43] ElGranJerry: It's rare. Happened 1 time to otta, me and now gand. During screen transitions [2016-01-17 11:51:47] Cronokirby: not too important [2016-01-17 11:52:03] Cronokirby: you shouldn't be savestating during a run anyways [2016-01-17 11:52:09] Cronokirby: bit annoying in practice [2016-01-17 11:52:38] ElGranJerry: Its not cause savestates. Just a random sftlock chance [2016-01-17 11:52:55] Cronokirby: ooh [2016-01-17 11:53:10] ElGranJerry: Happened on a run for me [2016-01-17 11:53:23] ElGranJerry: Same for otta iirc [2016-01-17 11:53:36] ElGranJerry: Magus softlocked once but that one was really weird lol [2016-01-17 20:41:39] Redslash: Oh, now I'm more sad my run wasn't a pb. I had a 2118 Johnny... D= [2016-01-18 14:11:45] Gand988: another runner http://www.twitch.tv/eildydar , any% no lss [2016-01-18 14:12:02] Gand988: this year there are a lot of new runner  [2016-01-18 22:43:04] eLmaGus: lets see how many stick with it [2016-01-18 22:43:05] eLmaGus: : ) [2016-01-20 17:29:19] ElGranJerry: Okay, all is done: We are trying to get going a CT Defeat Magus tournament, we were planning for a while over at the CT discord group. This is the discord group invite https://discord.gg/0XU29pWZvyxBDQgk [2016-01-20 17:29:57] ElGranJerry: And here is the tournament Rules/FAQ that lead to tutorial, registration, discord group, etc... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Etxi1JaLpJpPadchl_fh2GdWTiYI8vD4aoZS_TPVeiQ/edit [2016-01-20 17:30:06] ElGranJerry: If anyone wants to join go ahead :) [2016-01-20 17:33:19] ElGranJerry: gonna wait until tomorrow early afternoon though to announce it to twitter and try and get retweet train going. Should be fun, even if not many people join [2016-01-20 23:33:23] eLmaGus: so the black wind begins to blow....... [2016-01-21 7:21:17] Cronokirby: GG redslash [2016-02-06 11:28:22] avonis: anyone wanna race now? we are starting soon